In Europe, Trump gets 2nd chance to make 1st impression

I can't wait the tweets!

Yep, go get 'em Donnie. But remember, Putin is not some floor covering contractor you are trying to shaft out of his final payment.  

Get that "great deal" you were bragging about. You silly chump.

"But he's (Trump) also made clear that we will do what is necessary to confront Russia's destabilizing behavior."

With this include a full disclosure of Trump's business dealings with Russian oligarchs? Will he release FULL COPIES of his tax returns? (Not the Maddow sanitized version) How about Kushner and all the others in his administration? Will they come clean about their respective dealings? Flynn the mole? RExxon Tillerson?

"But he's also made clear that we will do what is necessary to confront Russia's destabilizing behavior."

Except Russia's destabilizing behavior in the U.S. elections that helped Trump become president.

will learn this week whether he gets a second chance to make a first impression

What an inane statement.

He'll likely be well-received in Poland but protested in France (and the UK, if he manages to sneak in). This says more about internal EU politics than it does about Trump. But, no - he is a buffoon, will remain a buffoon, and everyone knows he's a buffoon (even the Poles will say that behind his back).

Listen to the howling, whining, and wailing of the Political elite.

Those privileged though entitlement. Those with the sanctimonious self righteous superiority driven style of leadership are prepared to afford, no grant, Donald J Trump a second chance to grovel,  grasp, appreciate their interpretation of first impressions. To genuflect head bowed in toady subservience.......  

The Macrons and Merkels, arrogantly unable or unwilling to differentiate past Donald J Trump undeniably oafish, ill mannered, politically and diplomatically dysfunctional inadequacy, from the political and economic hegemony of the office Donald J Trump and his advisers at present occupy and control.

They don't have to like the man to change their approach, strategically or tactically.

Donald J Trump is to diplomacy what that long lost errant Uncle presence at the quintessential family wedding, sooner or later thoroughly soaked in bubbly, is up on the dance floor donkey dancing with four left feet.

The seating arrangements,  political mood music has to induce relaxation and calm.

itsonlyrocknroll: not in this current dimension. Maybe an alternative one.

Hi TumbleDry, humble opinion is unless President Trump is impeached before he steps off the plane, he's going to rub everyone up the wrong way.

I would go with rounds of golf with Prime Minster Abe, games of table football with China Xi, a spot of horse riding with President Putin and steer the conversation away for politics, climate change or religion.

In the past, he's offered contradictory descriptions of his connections with Putin, insisting during the campaign he had no recollection of meeting him but earlier stating that they spoke around the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow.

He stated on the Letterman show that he'd met Putin. But heck; he's a pathological liar so who knows for sure. If he does visit the UK it will be very sneaky and low key. He's detested there.

If he does visit the UK it will be very sneaky and low key. He's detested there.

They really don't like him in Scotland...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/this-is-why-lots-of-scottish-people-hate-trump?utm_term=.isZa8mdN3#.dd9PZmy3z

Except Russia's destabilizing behavior in the U.S. elections that helped Trump become president.

And your proof of that is....

And you know this for a fact because.....

You must know something even the Feds don't! You should drop a dime to Mueller and let him know. Lol

so the big mouth and the cool ex-spy. i think trumps plan is to make a movie. and hot european tottie.

Dear god this will be an awkward meeting.. However it is also sure to be one of the most comical sights you can imagine

Poland is very pro-NATO

He stated on the Letterman show that he'd met Putin. But heck; he's a pathological liar so who knows for sure.

Trump's been known to play people as well as the media tries to play him, keep that in mind.

If he does visit the UK it will be very sneaky and low key. He's detested there.

I doubt it'll be sneaky, these days you can't hide anything from anyone and as for him being festesten, I seriously don't think he cares one way or another.

And your proof of that is....

And you know this for a fact because.....

Prove they didn't.

That's right, you can't.

his first encounter with Russia's Vladimir Putin.

It would be nice to know if this is true, if this in fact is their first 'encounter'. I assume Putin will wear lifts in his shoes in an attempt to try to lessen the height difference between the two men. Either that or Putin will have the photographers only take pictures that don't show how much shorter he is than Trump. No doubt these two narcissists will do whatever they can to make themselves look good for the cameras. It's all about their images - and maintaining their personal fortunes.

Prove they didn't.

I can't and neither can you guys.

That's right, you can't.

Yes and neither can you guys.

It's just comical and hilarious to me that if the Europeans say, "we don't like Trump" it is as if that somehow in someway damages or hurts his feelings, why should he care? I wouldn't bat an eyelash or lose any sleep if any of them didn't care. As long as he puts America first, I'm good.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN12C28Q

Good enough.

Prove they didn't.

I can't

Prove you can't.

As far as this trip is concerned, it would be great if both countries can work out any differences they might have, have talks and bury any resentments and try to work on important issues that are important to both countries. That would be the best outcome for everyone.

As long as he puts America first, I'm good.

Then let him stay home in America.

And your proof of [Russia's destabilizing behavior in the U.S. elections] is....

All the U.S. intelligence agencies say so. I'll take their word over a real estate / reality TV con man any day.

People looking for leadership will focus on Merkel and Macron.

People looking for the spectacle of a WWF wrestling match will focus on Trump.

Trump's only success in the world has been by abdicating his role as commander in chief in Iraq and Syria to local commanders.

Then let him stay home in America

I understand, but in the real world that's not possible.

All the U.S. intelligence agencies say so. I'll take their word over a real estate / reality TV con man any day.

Yes, but NONE of them said Trump was involved in any of this.

People looking for leadership will focus on Merkel and Macron. 

Then that means, a lot of people will be dozing off, especially when Merkel speaks.

People looking for the spectacle of a WWF wrestling match will focus on Trump.

That was funny with CNN, gotta admit that. Lol

Trump's only success in the world has been by abdicating his role as commander in chief in Iraq and Syria to local commanders.

Uhhhh, what....?

NONE of them said Trump was involved in any of this.

No one on this thread suggested that he was. You questioned the veracity of Russian meddling in the U.S. election, and I provided evidence.

So it seems you acknowledge Russian interference, but still call it fake news and not worthy of investigation. Or are you OK with an investigation as long as it doesn't hurt Trump's feelings or make his election seem less legitimate?

And do you believe that Trump should bring up this issue with Putin when they meet?

as for him being festesten, I seriously don't think he cares one way or another.

and

if the Europeans say, "we don't like Trump" it is as if that somehow in someway damages or hurts his feelings, why should he care? 

Surely everyone has noticed by now that he cares inordinately about not being liked. It is the most powerful driver of his behaviour, if you count tweeting as behaviour. For example, the Mika & Joe campaign was launched as a direct result of their laughing at his ludicrous fake magazine cover which was being passed off as real.

By the way, 'festesten'?

Yes, but NONE of them said Trump was involved in any of this

Which was never an assertion.

17 intelligence agencies was also fake news it just took them 6 months to admit it.

trump would be in a much stronger position with Russia for their meeting if not for the ridiculous Russia collision narrative. Now he even has the media waiting for any chance to say he is weak in the meeting. speaking of the media i wonder where the thread is for the anti-free speech threats they made against the guy who made the Wrestling meme.

17 intelligence agencies was also fake news it just took them 6 months to admit it.

Ahh, I see we're back to the old 'fake news is anything I don't like them reporting on' theme.

Hint: wrong.

That was retracted last week or so. It wasn't 17 now they are saying it was 3 or 4 not all of them. Meanwhile CNN is extorting and blackmailing people who make memes now. It's really quiet in the news about that.

Ok, so are you going to actually show something that shows it was fake news?

Because from that post, it appears you still are not clear on what fake news is.

For those who think Obama did not make the US good impression on the world, Trump is doing much worse, according to the recent June 2017 Pew Research:

"U.S. Image Suffers as Publics Around World Question Trump’s Leadership

- America still wins praise for its people, culture and civil liberties"

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/23153955/PG_2017.06.26.US_Image-00-1.png

Confidence in the U.S. President to do the right thing regarding world affairs - even countries known to give usual good ratings, like Poland and the Philippines, give significantly lower marks.

Trump’s character is also a factor in how he is viewed abroad. In the eyes of most people surveyed around the world, the White House’s new occupant is arrogant, intolerant and even dangerous. Among the positive characteristics tested, his highest rating is for being a strong leader. Fewer believe he is charismatic, well-qualified or cares about ordinary people.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/23161859/PG_2017.06.26.US_Image-00-6.png

While the new U.S. president is viewed with doubt and apprehension in many countries, America’s overall image benefits from a substantial reservoir of goodwill. The American people, for instance, continue to be well-regarded – across the 37 nations polled, a median of 58% say they have a favorable opinion of Americans. U.S. popular culture, likewise, has maintained appeal abroad, and many people overseas still believe Washington respects the personal freedoms of its people.

Confidence to do the right thing regarding world affairs - Merkel and (though most people still don't have confidence in them) even Xi Jinping and Putin get higher marks than Trump:

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/23154008/PG_2017.06.26.US_Image-00-4.png

So, that's the current state how much people around the world love or not love the US leadership or its people.

Oh, what are we calling this then- incorrect news? A lie? You guys keep changing the words. The point is this. Since last October everyone said 17 intelligence agencies (all of them) said something in order to give weight to this Russia interference story. But actually now 8 months later we find 13 of the 17 didnt say that. So why were only 4 asked, because the other 13 cant be controlled as easily and might find something different?

The reason why it is important is like I said all this But Russia nonsense from the losing Dem side is coming home to roost. President Trump has been weakened and handcuffed by this Russia narrative and is in a less than optimal position. The media is laser focused to make sure that he gives no concessions at all to Russia and will start up the Russia collusion stuff again if he does. Yet for the benefit of the American people and our future relationship with Russia there will need to be some flexibility. (Oh hi Obama, Mr. Flexibility after the election).

Luckily Trump will be strong and do whatever he thinks is best for the USA whether the media likes it or not.

@lostrune2: This fits right with my point. Where do you think that foreign countrie residents get their impressions of President Trump? The-US-Media. They give him high marks for being a strong leader, yet low marks on personal characteristics.

What does the media attack? his personal characteristics. It all fits right together and is the reason why the US media and the Dems need to start supporting our President instead of constantly weakening him when he needs to go negotiate things with Germany, France, Russia, etc.

Oh, what are we calling this then- incorrect news?

Correct. Fake news is news that is known by the author to be untrue when written, and put out as a means of deceiving the people. It's despicable. Incorrect news is when the agency reports what they believe (or have been told) to be fact, and find out after the fact it's incorrect - which is why they put up retractions.

Ever seen a Fox "News" retraction? I bet you haven't.

They give him high marks for being a strong leader, yet low marks on personal characteristics.

I don't think anyone other than his followers/worshippers/evangelists are saying he's a strong leader.

The rest of the world is quite clear that he is a failure.

trump would be in a much stronger position with Russia for their meeting if not for

Trump's pandering to Putin.

I love how certain posters were labeling the meddling and collusion investigations as ridiculous until Trump begrudgingly admitted meddling occurred. Now those posters are hammering only on the collusion aspects.

17 intelligence agencies was also fake news it just took them 6 months to admit it.

This statement does not accord with the facts:

But the Director of National Intelligence, which speaks for the country’s 17 federal intelligence agencies, released a joint statement saying the intelligence community at large is confident that Russia is behind recent hacks into political organizations’ emails.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/

@Swiftjustice Yet, that has been retracted and my earlier post showing that seems to have disappeared.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/pageoneplus/corrections-june-29-2017.html

A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.

So will politifact go back and revise their statement too or just leave it? Its been since June 29 already.

So how exactly has Trump pandered to Putin? and as far as the meddling, I have explained so many times my stance on it. Basically, I give up and say that if people think it happened then fine. No point to argue it because Trump had no involvement in it. It is the collusion and impeachment nonsense that people need to move on from now.

17 intelligence agencies was also fake news it just took them 6 months to admit it.

trump would be in a much stronger position with Russia for their meeting if not for the ridiculous Russia collision narrative.

Two things:

1: OK, so the number was 4. Big deal.

DNI, NSA, CIA and FBI did the actual analysis and concluded that Russia hacked the elections.

They are the most important intelligence agencies

and

They have not changed their conclusion that Russia hacked the U.S. election.

2: There is a collusion investigation by the FBI and special counsel not a collusion narrative.

Lastly, Trump would be in a strong position if he relied on his own intelligence agencies instead of denying facts, but that would require . . . intelligence on his part or at least mental stability.

What does the media attack? his personal characteristics.

Oh, they attack much more than that. They attack his lack of character.

US media and the Dems need to start supporting our President instead of constantly weakening him

Why should anyone support Trump when he is not fit for office?

Besides, he is a tough guy (actually a thin-skinned bully) who fights back.... Kinda like a Chuck Norris with orangish hair and skin.

Ok then, I have lost interest in this topic anyway as nothing seems to ever change.

Ok 17 agencies and 4 agencies are pretty much the same thing, got it. Yet DNI is in charge of ALL agencies but the CIA, FBI, NSA get to speak for themselves (cause they are safe and controlled).

Lets not support our President, lets call him names and make jokes about his personal appearance.

Lets send him to go talk to Putin with both hands tied behind his back but expect him to win.

Lets continue the Russia narrative nonsense even when no proof. CNN hasnt found any evidence of actual collusion in over a year. Yet in 2 days they can find, blackmail, extort and coerce a private citizen into a public apology for making a meme. Which has now led to the #1 twitter hashtag in the world that is trending now, that makes CNN look like total idiots.

Lets send him to go talk to Putin with both hands tied behind his back but expect him to win.

His hands are not tied in any way, except....

---Except his stupid comments to Russians about Comey being a nut job and firing him relieved him of the Russian investigation.

----Except his complete denial of the Russia hacking.

----Except his willingness to relieve Russia of sanctions for no quid pro quo. (the Senate is going to tie his hands on that one, thankfully)

All this means that everyone will be watching the meeting like a hawk...

And, leaks of the meeting will occur (by Russia (because they are crafty and smart like that) or Trump's own people)...

Which will again show how stupid Trump is and how he is unfit for the office.

Ok then, I have lost interest in this topic anyway as nothing seems to ever change.

Because the investigation is not finished, duh.

Lets not support our President, lets call him names and make jokes about his personal appearance.

Why shouldn't we make fun of him? He looks like a moron, and the minute he opens his mouth you realize he's a moron. He's spent all his life saying nasty, racist, sexist, xenophobic stuff, but we're not allowed to do the stuff to him? okay. lol

Lets continue the Russia narrative nonsense even when no proof. CNN hasnt found any evidence of actual collusion in over a year. Yet in 2 days they can find, blackmail, extort and coerce a private citizen into a public apology for making a meme.

There is not zero proof. There is actually quite a lot of proof that something happened in the Trump camp, and that is exactly why there is an FBI investigation being conducted.

Lets not support our President, lets call him names and make jokes about his personal appearance.

Are you saying we should be acting different than he does? That we should not follow his lead?

Lets continue the Russia narrative nonsense even when no proof.

Are you back to trying to say you have inside information into the evidence that the investigators have? I thought you admitted you're not part of the investigation.

CNN hasnt found any evidence of actual collusion in over a year. 

CNN is not part of the investigation.

Lastly, Trump would be in a strong position if he relied on his own intelligence agencies instead of denying facts, but that would require . . . intelligence on his part or at least mental stability.

Dunno, seems pretty smart to me, let this go where it shall and let it go as long as it must and if the results come back as negative, we can all go about our business and left can give this nonsense a much needed rest.

Why should anyone support Trump when he is not fit for office?

Says who? I am so happy the left and especially the Democrats are just going bat **** crazy about this because the more they rave and moan, the more people see how far off the reservation they are and it shows by the elections they keep losing. smh.

But to be honest, it's all so sad, truth be told.

Besides, he is a tough guy (actually a thin-skinned bully) who fights back.... Kinda like a Chuck Norris with orangish hair and skin.

Dear lord....lol

Why shouldn't we make fun of him? He looks like a moron, and the minute he opens his mouth you realize he's a moron.

Well, that's the ONLY thing the left can do is make fun, they don't have any policies to put forth, so making fun seems the next logical thing to do.

He's spent all his life saying nasty, racist, sexist, xenophobic stuff, but we're not allowed to do the stuff to him? okay. lol

Hey, it goes both ways.

Well, that's the ONLY thing the left can do is make fun, they don't have any policies to put forth, so making fun seems the next logical thing to do.

Actually they have put forth ideas, like public option healthcare/single payer system, but that smells too much like communism for the GOP oligarchs.

But remind me, what have the GOP done so far? They can't seem to get a healthcare bill passed. lol

Hey, it goes both ways.

What does that even mean?

Black:

The DNI did not retract his statement.

As far as the collusion angle, you call it ridiculous; I call it undetermined until the investigations are concluded.

CNN hasnt found any evidence of actual collusion in over a year. 

CNN is not part of the investigation.

Nor does CNN have the resources of the FBI.

Yet DNI is in charge of ALL agencies but the CIA, FBI, NSA get to speak for themselves (cause they are safe and controlled).

It's precious how certain posters turned against these agencies after the agencies concluded Russia meddled.

The DNI did not retract his statement.

Sure, he didnt because he considers the other 13 agencies to work for him. But even the NY Times knows it is wrong to present this as those 13 agencies made their own separate independent investigations into this matter. Which is how the 17 intelligence agencies agree narrative was being incorrectly used. Basicall the DNI says so and the other 16 agree with him because he is in charge of them. But 17 sounds more sexy than 1.

As far as the collusion angle, you call it ridiculous; I call it undetermined until the investigations are concluded.

Ok but it is still an investigation looking for not only a crime to attach itself to, but also looking for an actual perpetrator.

.

Besides, he is a tough guy (actually a thin-skinned bully) who fights back.... Kinda like a Chuck Norris with orangish hair and skin.

Dear lord....lol

Yet you were using this exact justification regarding Trump's repugnant tweets about Ms. Brzezinski.

Actually they have put forth ideas, like public option healthcare/single payer system, but that smells too much like communism for the GOP oligarchs. 

Great ideas! And we can see how those ideas helped the Democratic party to flourish or rather diminish, losing 1000 legislative seats is....well, not small potatoes and the House and the Senate and barely 16 governors. The Dems can keep on trying to sell us their socialist ideas, maybe one day people will listen and elect them to something..

But remind me, what have the GOP done so far?

Got a Conservative on the bench and looks like, we might get another one. Double your pleasure.

They can't seem to get a healthcare bill passed. lol

You're right, but that doesn't mean it can't or won't.

What does that even mean?

Ahhh, the slandering

It's precious how certain posters turned against these agencies after the agencies concluded Russia meddled.

Im fine with this idea that Russia meddled. It has nothing to do with Trump whatsover. No one wants to talk about what did Obama do about it when he found out thought. No one wants to talk about IT systems and other election systems and how we can harden them to prevent access in the future.

What they DO want to talk about is that somehow meddling helped Trump to win and so he is illegitimate. Yet there is no evidence that even one vote was changed, while there is evidence that illegals voted. But of course the states where this was most common and where Hillary won by the most refuse to cooperate in the investigation into this.

Ok but it is still an investigation looking for not only a crime to attach itself to, but also looking for an actual perpetrator.

Crime: election tampering/hacking

Perpetrator: Russian operatives

motive: unknown. Could result in charges against folks related to the Trump camp.

If you're so sure nothing will be found, why not let the investigation run its course? Why are you so quick to dismiss it, afraid of what we might find out?

Got a Conservative on the bench and looks like, we might get another one. Double your pleasure.

Umm no, that's not something the GOP has done. That's not a bill. What has the GOP congress actually done? Answer: nothing.

Ahhh, the slandering

Yeah no. My opinion that Trump is a moron is not slander. If I claimed that Trump was a pedophile or something like that, that might very well be slander. But to make light of Donny's good words is perfectly fine.

Haha! LOVE to see the perennial complainers try and work around the CNN/ NYTimes/MSNBC scandals in the past few weeks.

The MSM is on life support. With all their fake news and histrionics, all they have accomplished is a Trump presidency and now a probable re-election in 2020.

Ok but it is still an investigation looking for not only a crime to attach itself to, but also looking for an actual perpetrator.

You do realize potential crimes are investigated, not just crimes that have been committed.

Crime: election tampering/hacking

Already been proven and agreed by everyone that no votes were changed. Russia didnt elect Trump, 61 million US voters did. The release of the supposedly hacked emails could have changed some people's minds, yes. But if Hillary and her people had not actually said those things, that would have been helpful to them.

Perpetrator: Russian operatives

motive: unknown. Could result in charges against folks related to the Trump camp.

Ok, so Trump people can be held responsible for what supposed Russian perpetrators did? Guess you need to prove that elusive collusion for that one. Because the Wikileaks vault releases show that the CIA can put fingerprints on hacking that make it look like Russia or other countries did it.

If you're so sure nothing will be found, why not let the investigation run its course? Why are you so quick to dismiss it, afraid of what we might find out?

Because it has been going on nonstop for 9 months now and is hurting the country. It is causing problems with us getting a productive relationship with Russia built. Things people need actually need are being delayed by all of the efforts put into disproving this narrative that has no evidence to date. The media are stumbling all over themselves with incorrect and fake stories trying to prove something and permanently damaging their credibility. I mean really who will ever take CNN seriously again for anything?

Why are you so quick to dismiss it, afraid of what we might find out?

Also, when I use that same question when I ask why California and Virginia wont participate in the election fraud investigation, it somehow doesnt work. So just like the Dems are starting from the point that illegal voting didnt happen, the Repubs can start from the point that Russian collusion didnt happen either. Prove it then it happened, its not like Trump has to disprove it. But somehow we cant do that because everyone cant wait to impeach Trump based on nothing yet and negate the the votes of 61 million people.

Yet there is no evidence that even one vote was changed, while there is evidence that illegals voted. But of course the states where this was most common and where Hillary won by the most refuse to cooperate in the investigation into this.

Lol Illegals voted? You mean 2.80+ million illegals voted an they all voted for Hillary. Riiigghhttt.....By the way, we're up to 44 states that are refusing to cooperate. Sorry, satiating Donny's infantile need to be worshiped is not a valid reason to hand over private information.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/03/politics/kris-kobach-letter-voter-fraud-commission-information/index.html

Obama do about it when he found out thought

This statement does not accord with the facts. We have explained why Obama did what he did.

OK, but its fine to start an investigation into Russian collusion but not voter fraud? Because you KNOW what the result will be, there is no evidence of it and its a waste of time?

Yet for Trump being investigated for anything and everything it must start with no evidence, and work itself all the way to the end to get a conclusion before I can say its waste of time with no evidence. But voter fraud, nah didnt happen. Why? Well we just know it didnt.

An investigation into voter fraud is simply unnecessary:

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

"This entire commission is based on the specious and false notion that there was widespread voter fraud last November," Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, said Thursday. "At best this commission was set up as a pretext to validate Donald Trump's alternative election facts, and at worst is a tool to commit large-scale voter suppression."

Yes, lets not prejudge the results of an ongoing investigation, huh? Let me make this same statement for the Russia investigation. It was set up as a pretext to cover up the fact that Hillary lost an election she could have won and no one on her side can accept it.

The entire investigation is based on the specious and false notion that Russian cyberagents were able to influence people to vote for Trump in November, because there was no other reason Hillary could have possibly lost. So ok, we arent going to investigate this anymore, just like Virginia wont investigate voter fraud for same reason.

This statement does not accord with the facts. We have explained why Obama did what he did.

Ok, just an honest mistake and moving on? No political motivations or nothing potentially criminal or professionally negligent to be looked into? Wow Im glad that investigation wrapped up in one day or so.

OK, but its fine to start an investigation into Russian collusion but not voter fraud?

Lol That's not how this works. Donny doesn't get to access voter records, because there's a Russian investigation going on. Donny is a supremely unpopular human being, turns out that most of the country isn't okay with xenophobia, racism, and sexism.

And more than 90% of states are refusing to cooperate, so no, you don't get to waste tax dollars on a wild goose chase.

Oh, the Brennan Center for Justice says so?

Bias

The Center has not escaped controversy over the years. In 2012, a report published by the National Center for Public Policy Research -- a self-described conservative, free-market, nonprofit think-tank -- determined the Brennan Center "to have a history of bias-driven research." National Center General Counsel Justin Danhof said, "The Brennan Center is on a mission to undermine support for voter integrity measures, claiming that state-level voter ID provisions will disfranchise millions of voters and that voter fraud rarely occurs. However, some of its major reports concerning voter ID measures and voter fraud are wrought with bias and have been refuted by election scholars." The report also pointed out that the Center received millions of dollars -- over $7 million between 2000 and 2010 -- from George Soros, a left-leaning philanthropist and political activist, and his Open Society Foundations.[13][14][15]

Money from George Soros? hmmm....

The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School is a left-leaning law and public policy institute.[2][3][4][5] The Brennan Center advocates for a number of progressive public policy positions, including raising the minimum wage, opposing voter ID laws, and calling for public funding of elections

Oh also against voter ID laws. Im shocked they would say there is no need for a voter fraud investigation. Shocked, I tell you!

you don't get to waste tax dollars on a wild goose chase.

yet the Russia investigation exists and Robert Mueller and his Democratic donor lawyers are getting paid with government money.

Donny is a supremely unpopular human being, turns out that most of the country isn't okay with xenophobia, racism, and sexism.

Now we are getting somewhere. Dont like Trump, so lets investigate him for some nonsense that even fake CNN calls fake.

Donny doesn't get to access voter records, because there's a Russian investigation going on

Oh I could swear the president has the power to order this. Guess I missed the part where it says he cant do this is a Russia investigation is ongoing. Dont see the relation, as once again no votes were tampered with by anything related to Russia.

Voter fraud as an idea was dreamed up by one of these Info Wars conspiracy types and furthered by Trump as a salve to his fragile ego for losing the popular vote. In spite of any evidence.

Russian Collusion was an idea formed because of "unpresidented" hacking by a foreign government of the election and frequent and alarming contacts (also "unpresidented") between Russians and Russian spies and Trump officials. The FBI even has tapes of Russian spies saying how stupid Trump's associates are for speaking Russian to them when they are trying to keep the meetings discrete and spy like. Throw in Trump publicly calling for Russia to hack Clinton's emails. There is even a connection between Flynn and a conservative group asking Russians for Hillary's emails. This is not an alt-right conspiracy (like NASA farming babies on mars), these are real concerns that must be investigated. Only the Trump apologists cry about this investigation.

Ergo, the voter registration investigation is unnecessary and not real, and the Russian Collusion investigation is necessary and real.

You can have your investigation. But dont try to use something that was reported last week as the basis for it being started (Flynn and a conservative group). I am perfectly fine with looking into Russian interference in the election and punishing any guilty parties. But we all know that Trump has already been pre-assumed guilty as a political ploy, that Trump is the primary target and that people care little to none about any actual hacking.

But the same principles that allowed that investigation to start and continue until eternity are the same principles that allow the voter fraud investigation. It HAS been proven that illegals voted in smaller numbers and that Dem operatives were caught registering non eligible voters and dead people. has it not? If you dont know this, then Google helps.

Back to the meeting with Putin, I hope he and Trump just talk about this, put it behind them and move on to a productive relationship despite political and media attacks.

CNN has a more urgent problem to deal with now than speculating what Trump will say to Putin. Although Im sure that wont stop them from twisting anything he says to suit their needs later.

There has been plenty of investigation into voter fraud, and found nothing. Since those investigations, nothing new has been put forth, just Trump making up stuff because his ego can't handle the fact that even though he won, more people wanted her than him.

I mean really who will ever take CNN seriously again for anything?

I'll take a new source that issues retractions and does the best it can to ensure accuracy, over a news "organization" like Fox or Breitbart that regularly prints lies, never retracts anything, and has no issue with those lies. Zero integrity. CNN is infinitely better.

Interestingly enough, that comparison works with the last two presidents as well. Trump exemplifies making up lies, never correcting his wrongs, and has no issue with lying, whereas Obama did his best to be transparent and accurate, and was infinitely better.

it has been going on nonstop for 9 months now and is hurting the country.

No, electing a worthless leader, with a weak ego, who lies all the time, has zero ability to lead, and has filled the swamp with people who keep getting caught in their own lies, is what is hurting the country.

You guys wanted him, and this is what you got. It's your fault as much as his. If you hadn't elected a guy who is entirely worthless, the country would be doing much better.

CNN has a more urgent problem to deal with now than speculating what Trump will say to Putin. Although Im sure that wont stop them from twisting anything he says to suit their needs later.

Claims CNN twists words, but also cites CNN. Makes sense.

yet the Russia investigation exists and Robert Mueller and his Democratic donor lawyers are getting paid with government money.

Because there is evidence of Russian interference. Why wouldn't you get to the bottom of that? And Mueller wouldn't be investigating if Donny hadn't fired Comey.

 Dont like Trump, so lets investigate him for some nonsense that even fake CNN calls fake

No, not what I said. Why do you claim CNN is fake, because the Duran says so?

Guess I missed the part where it says he cant do this is a Russia investigation is ongoing

Guess you missed the part where 4/5 of states refuse to comply.

I'll take a new source that issues retractions and does the best it can to ensure accuracy, over a news "organization" like Fox or Breitbart that regularly prints lies, never retracts anything, and has no issue with those lies. Zero integrity. CNN is infinitely better.

Havent been on Twitter today? Threatening, coercing and blackmailing of a 15 year old boy over his free speech right to make fun of them? Threatening to release his name and personal information which could then subject him and his family to additional threats and personal harm? Yeah, thats a fine upstanding news organization for you, way to support free speech on the 4th of July CNN.

There has been plenty of investigation into voter fraud, and found nothing.

Oh when was this? I thought the voter fraud investigation just started and that 44 states are refusing to fully comply. Which is it? Oh, btw I havent forgotten most of you saying that Trump was lying and that he would never even order this investigation. Yet, here it is.

whereas Obama did his best to be transparent and accurate, and was infinitely better.

Oh just like that transparent time he told us all he knew about Fast and Furious? or that time he told us nothing to see about the IRS scandal? or that recent time where he knew Russia was hacking us but didnt tell us until after the election? Oh yeah the transparency, I miss those days.

And Mueller wouldn't be investigating if Donny hadn't fired Comey.

Yep, so its also revenge for Comey firing now on top of everything else.

No, not what I said. Why do you claim CNN is fake, because the Duran says so?

Doesnt matter their background, their video clip used actual confirmed CNN broadcasts.

Oh begging to have this shut down? thats rich. All of this is related to why Trump's meeting with Putin will be extremely difficult. He is supposed to lecture Putin about interfering in our election and hacking. yet no one cares about the hacking unless Trump can be found guilty in some way.

Their interference in our election, we dont even care about our election enough to look into our own voter fraud or to harden our IT systems or voting machines. Yet according to the media, Trump has to blame Putin for all of this? Our own people dont even care enough to look into it unless there is dirt on Trump connected to it.

. But we all know that Trump has already been pre-assumed guilty as a political ploy, that Trump is the primary target and that people care little to none about any actual hacking.

Trump doesn't even believe in the hacking. Why? That he doesn't believe it happened is suspicious.

I hope he and Trump just talk about this, put it behind them and move on to a productive relationship.

Are you kidding? You are projecting a lot of competence in a man without competence.

Trump is going to act like nothing happened and then give away the farm to an undeserving adversary because Putin will flatter him.

The Russians understand his psychological motivations better than anyone, and they will continue to manipulate him to no end. Trump is America's weakest link.

CNN has a more urgent problem to deal with now.

CNN is doing just fine. Maybe they should be giving less time to Trump's stupid tweets and more time on the other stupid things happening. However, Trump's behavior is incrementally making America numb to his actions (those unconstitutional, criminal, and those stupid policies. . . ), and America is the frog getting slowly boiled. So, it is important to point out what is not normal with his behavior.

Trump doesn't even believe in the hacking. Why? That he doesn't believe it happened is suspicious.

Specific to the DNC hacking, because it hasnt been proven. Hacking in general, the CIA says it happened, yet Wikileaks showed that the same CIA has the ability to make it look like Russia when they want to by using Russian hacking fingerprints that they have.

Remember when the DNC gave the server to the FBI and Homeland Security and it was forensically reviewed and confirmed that Russia hacked it? Oh wait....thats not right....remember again. Remember when those agencies were NOT allowed access and the FBI took the word of a third party company called Crowdstrike that later had to retract statements about Russian hacking they had confirmed incorrectly in another case?

Havent been on Twitter today? Threatening, coercing and blackmailing of a 15 year old boy over his free speech right to make fun of them? 

There is 0 evidence of that, just a rumor on far right websites. Free speech is not the same thing as freedom from consequence.

Oh when was this? I thought the voter fraud investigation just started and that 44 states are refusing to fully comply. Which is it?

They're both correct. Plenty of studies have been done and none of them found significant levels of voter fraud. What those studies didn't do was use confidential information such as address or social security number.

Oh, btw I havent forgotten most of you saying that Trump was lying and that he would never even order this investigation. Yet, here it is.

You were right, you got us. Donny really is an insecure knob. Good on you for pointing it out!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/5/cnn-threatens-reveal-reddit-user-real-identity-ove/

far right website?

What those studies didn't do was use confidential information such as address or social security number.

Which is why voter fraud cant be proven by those studies in the first place.....without address or social you have to make assumptions that the 10 people named Mark Smith who voted are 10 different people.

So if I am Trump, there is no way I go in there and try to put the blame Putin directly for any of this hacking or interference. I just discuss the real issues at hand and find a way to move on to more productive agenda items. Then separately of that the USA hardens their systems to prevent any such activity in 2018. Then when the Repubs win again, no Russia hacking story.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/5/cnn-threatens-reveal-reddit-user-real-identity-ove/

far right website?

Normally, CNN would have reported the guy's name, but he contacted them and gave them a story worth reporting, a real apology. CNN said they reserved the right to disclose his name.

The guy is just another person hiding and anonymously making stupid statements online not expecting expecting their identify to be known. Probably some people posting comments here fear others knowing who they are and what they wrote.

Ok, just an honest mistake and moving on?

Obama did what he did regarding the Russians because you folks would have went apoplectic crying he was trying to rig the election had he done more. You folks were already claiming that if D.J. didn't win, the elections were rigged.

The world doesn't work that way. The elections were either rigged or they weren't, no matter who won. So, since D.J. won and the elections were rigged . . .

but he contacted them and gave them a story worth reporting, a real apology.

Except that CNN emailed him first and asked to talk about the meme. CNN said that his apology came before they spoke to him, but didnt make it clear that they had emailed him one day before.

Its not like he contacted them independently and apologized. The apology then came because they agreed (for now) to not release his name if he apologized and promised to not mock them or anyone else again. Is this not blackmail? The actual apology seems written by CNN anyway, it follows the journalists are heroes risking their lives narrative completely. So I guess that all will be found out in due course.

Meanwhile the Washington Post agrees with me, they say that Months of Russia controversy leaves Trump boxed in ahead of Putin meeting. I assume they wrote that before I started talking here, but I am just seeing it now. Highlight from the article

“It has been extraordinarily difficult for Trump, even if he had the means to do so, to do what is in the vital national interest, that is, improve relations with Russia,” said Jack Matlock, who was ambassador to the Soviet Union under President Ronald Reagan. “Treating them as if they are enemies is absolutely absurd, and yet it permeates much of the attitude in Congress.”

yet the Russia investigation exists and Robert Mueller and his Democratic donor lawyers are getting paid with government money.

We can't stop the investigation, so we'll attack the investigators. Nice.

motive: unknown. Could result in charges against folks related to the Trump camp.

That could be, there is that possibility, can't rule that out, Flynn and Manafort are in serious scrutiny here.

If you're so sure nothing will be found, why not let the investigation run its course? Why are you so quick to dismiss it, afraid of what we might find out?

Personally, I really want this to continue, once it's past us, we can't he. Move on and then the liberals can calm their heels (I know it's wishful thinking, but....)

Umm no, that's not something the GOP has done.

Sorry, that's something Trump did. ROFL

That's not a bill. What has the GOP congress actually done? Answer: nothing.

Apparently, the left watch too much msnbc to know.

Yeah no. My opinion that Trump is a moron is not slander.

Slandering, bashing, not a big difference, all amounts to the same thing, but I too agree, there are a lot of morons in Washington on both sides, but the biggest ones have "D" on their chests.

If I claimed that Trump was a pedophile or something like that, that might very well be slander. But to make light of Donny's good words is perfectly fine.

You guys already did that.

We can't stop the investigation, so we'll attack the investigators. Nice.

The other guy was telling me its not worth using taxpayer money to investigate voter fraud because no evidence. Yet taxpayer money is fine to investigate the Russia narrative? 15 lawyers and a Special Counsel worth of taxpayer money to be exact. Millions if not tens of millions of dollars already?

So, since D.J. won and the elections were rigged . . .

Ok, prove it was rigged for Trump to win and we can talk. Who did it and how did they make 61 million people decide to vote for Trump? Why couldnt they persuade anyone in NY or California to go along with it?