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In Obama's 'backyard' visits, Republicans are the absent foe

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It's pretty sad the conservatives actually believe the GOP can run the economy, when the only way the Grand Ole Party has run it is into the ground.

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It's pretty sad the conservatives actually believe the GOP can run the economy, when the only way the Grand Ole Party has run it is into the ground.

Sad, is it? What is sad is the historic opportunity Obama had, and blew.

It's not just conservatives who think the GOP are better at creating jobs and wealth, it is also independents - - you know, the group that basically decides every presidential election. Obama has lost them. It had nothing to do with Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh, or 'hate speech.'

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It's great to see Obama struggle so much with his own base - nevermind those of us who saw him for the snake oil saleman that he is.

Obama's actually getting his wish: The community is organizing.

RR

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Obama: "I know times are tough"

Yes, for many people, including his brother and his aunt. Not for him.

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The heat Obama is getting lately, is mostly from his own party now. They're aware of whats going on. Many of them, are being hurt by his policies as well. The problem Obama faces, is, in proclaiming change as his agenda, people then wake up and realize that the change they thought they were getting, is not the change Obama was planning.

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Republicans are the absent foe

You have a super majority in Congress, Mr President, and yet you just keep blaming 'certain folks in Washington' for your miserable failures...

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he drew raucous cheers at a college rally in Wisconsin.

UW-Madison police are reporting about 26,000 people showed up for Obama's rally. Since Milwaukee/Madison is in the 400,000 population range that number is really nothing to write home about. Tea Party events have been attracting far more people than this in equal sized areas.

Also, Obama had a music act open for him there. Heh, the MSM and liberals are deluded enough to actually think students came to listen to Obama instead of going to hear a free concert.

RR

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Our dear president Barack Obama is no fool, sure these idiots like Sarah Palin, Rush etc..want to keep on blaming Mr. Obama for the crappy economy, but the truth is REPUBLICANS dug this DEEP, DEEP whole, and now the democrats, Mr. Obama are trying to get us the heck out of this economic mess. All of the world knows this, now it is just time for the US economy to start getting better and for idiot Republicans to....eat crow.

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elbud, when Obama signed the Spedulous Maximus bill into law on Feb. 17, 2009, he took ownership of the U.S. economy. Get used to that fact.

RR

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Democrats have the majority in the house and senate, Obama could have passed any bill he wanted to.

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RR: "elbud, when Obama signed the Spedulous Maximus bill into law on Feb. 17, 2009, he took ownership of the U.S. economy. Get used to that fact."

You gotta love these guys -- it's the same as when they pretend that when Obama took over the White House he actually started the war in Iraq and it was his fault for the violence that followed. Unbelievable the level of denial. You can't expect a man to fill a whole in two years that had been dug for eight.

Give the government back to the Republicans and they'll take the shovel Obama's using to fill the whole back in and go back to the bottom to start digging -- and will raise US taxes to do it (by refusing legislation to extend the tax cuts). Sad sad sad.

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"...will raise US taxes to do it (by refusing legislation to extend the tax cuts)..."? What the heck are you thinking? NOT extending the tax cuts AND the fact that some of the most incredible tax hikes in decades will start in January to support health care together will toss the economy into even a stronger downward spiral! Don't you people get it? It's not the Governments money! It's the peoples money and the Government has too much already!

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elbud, when Obama signed the Spedulous Maximus bill into law on Feb. 17, 2009, he took ownership of the U.S. economy. Get used to that fact.

If such is the case, then why do partisan Republicans refer to the recession that started in March of 2001 as "the Clinton recession?"

I suspect the answer is "gross hypocrisy."

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republicans are the foe of America, not just the President.

Taka

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"republicans are the foe of America, not just the President"

Taka313, you just said President Obama is a foe of America. I'm guessing you want to re-phrase that.

In November Americans will have a choice - vote for the Democrats or vote to take America back from the Democrats.

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The March 2001 recession did not turn in to the 2001-2003 great depression though did it?

The American economy actually was doing great untill the democrats took over Congress, you know the part of the American government that actually controlls the economy.

Only in obama's small little world can he blame all his failures and the economy on a group of politicians that could not stop any legislation even if they really wanted to. He had historical majorities in congress, his party coultn's agree on how to screw America over though.

Even Obama's supporters are asking him if this is their new American reality.

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Both democrats and republicans are great! I love having just 2 choices that don't represent the People. A glass of fluoride with a shot of mercury is wonderful in the morning, my IQ points are falling fast and I love it. Please rip my DNA apart with one of those nifty body scanners. Depleted uranium is great for the troops. Can't wait until I have a baby with serious deformities.

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"Obama is pouring more time into campaigning"

He's never stopped campaigning.

And I believe Simon has gone off the deep end here, ha ha!

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The American economy actually was doing great untill the democrats took over Congress, you know the part of the American government that actually controlls the economy.

LOL!! Oh yes, the "economy" -- aka the housing bubble -- was being inflated all throughout Bush's two terms. And we see how often he used his veto pen to stop those nasty Democrats in Congress.

First I've heard that Congress controls the US economy. Funny things that these conservatives believe.

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In reality neither the president or congress controls the economy. They can screw thing up, ala unfunded wars (LBJ and Bush Jr.) or by changing taxes and deficit; but by and large it is business, investors, and the people who control the economy. One reason that the economy isn't growing is that people who are in debt (the vast majority) are paying down debt and saving more. Banks aren't making loans to anybody who can crawl through the door any longer. Housing prices have dropped as property speculation collapsed; but speculation bubbles have been going on for a long time. The Dutch even had one based on - get this - tulip bulbs a few centuries ago.

In any case, taxes are going up and that is going to slow the economy. Companies are trying to figure out the health care costs and what the economy is going to do so they are being cautious and not hiring. People aren't living beyond their means any more, so consumer spending (~68% of the economy) isn't going up.

As far as the housing bubble goes, the push to get lower income people into their own houses goes back to Carter. It was during the Bush years that the bankers ran amok loaning money to everybody. Bush had little to do with that, just like Obama can't control the economy at will. Bush had his unfunded war. Obama has health care and higher taxes. That's the damage that either can do. They can't force consumers to spend or companies to hire. What will be interesting is if "price destruction" comes to the US. That cost Japan 20 years of feeble economic conditions. Time will tell.

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Obama has health care and higher taxes.

Who, specifically, is paying higher taxes under President Obama?

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All of us (in the US) will be soon enough. As all of you are so fond of saying - he hasn't been in office long enough for his measures to take effect. With that idiotic health care bill and what lies ahead, make no mistake that you will very soon be paying higher taxes under President Obama.

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All of us (in the US) will be soon enough.

Really? And you base this on what? Your personal bias?

make no mistake that you will very soon be paying higher taxes under President Obama.

If you're talking about the increased taxes on a joint income of $250,000, I sure hope so!

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Yabits,

And how about that job creation during the bush years. I say job as in singular but I think actually, he didn't do that good. I think we lost jobs throughout the bush years.

Taka

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Taka,

Job creation under George W. Bush was the worst of any president since the Labor Department started keeping records (1939). In eight years, the Bush years saw the creation of 3.2 million jobs. And this after the biggest tax cut in American history.

Under Bill Clinton, the US economy created 23.1 million jobs. And that after (or despite) a nice tax hike in 1993.

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"And we see how often he used his veto pen"

LOL! So it's all Bush's fault because he didn't stop the Democrats from passing their stupid legislation! Ho ho, yabits!

Taka313: "I think we lost jobs throughout the bush years"

LOL, even yabits admits "the Bush years saw the creation of 3.2 million jobs."

Now, all we need is for both Taka313 and yabits to admit that a slew of jobs have been lost since Obama was immaculated.

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LOL, even yabits admits "the Bush years saw the creation of 3.2 million jobs."

Yes, but the Bush years saw over 10 million Americans entering the job market for only 3.2 million jobs. People like Sarge think that's an "accomplishment" -- smarter people know better.

So it's all Bush's fault because he didn't stop the Democrats from passing their stupid legislation!

A president who is a leader wouldn't allow "stupid legislation" to pass his desk. That's why the US constitution allows for the executive branch the power of the veto. DUH!! If you've got a Republican president who is unwilling to perform the responsibilities of his job, how can that be the Democrats' fault?

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So yabits, what you're saying is Bush should have vetoed the Democrats' legislation because it was bad legislation, heh heh.

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Yabits,

Yes, but the bush years saw over 10 million Americans entering the job market for only 3.2 million jobs.

I think that's a little more truth than poor sarge can handle.

Taka

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Sorry, I keep forgetting, it's going to take most of President Obama's two terms to clean up the mess caused by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, lol.

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So yabits, what you're saying is Bush should have vetoed the Democrats' legislation because it was bad legislation, heh heh.

If he thought it was bad legislation and didn't veto it, he was as much an idiot as the people who voted for him.

Obama presiding over 4 million lost jobs is a little more truth than poor Taka313 can handle.

The truth is that the president prior to Bush presided over a job creation rate per year that was nearly equal to Bush's eight years. (Despite the 1993 tax hike that the Republicans predicted would drive the economy into recession. Oh, how wrong they were about that!)

The truth is that Bush's terms saw two periods of substantial job loss: from 2002-2004 and from 2007 onwards. An economy on the edge of collapse is what Team Bush bequeathed to President Obama and America.

I keep forgetting, it's going to take most of President Obama's two terms to clean up the mess caused by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld

Knowing how much you hate America, I hate to break this to you that nearly all economic indicators are back on the upswing. This must really disappoint you as you've been cheering and praying for your president to fail.

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yabits ( to me ): Knowing how much you hate America..."

Thanks for the insult.

"nearly all ecomomic indicators are back on the upswing"

That must be why unemployment is stuck near 10%, we have out-of-control government spending and record deficits, and Americans are so angry, all the polls indicate your Democrats, who even you admit passed bad legislation that you think Bush should have vetoed, are going to take a walloping in November.

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Thanks for the insult.

Anyone who spends as much time insulting the President and hoping that he will fail as certain posters do should be thankful and wear it proudly.

That must be why unemployment is stuck near 10%

It is not stuck. The economy is definitely in recovery and the unemployment numbers are starting to improve. Yes, I know how much you'd hate more Americans to find employment, since that would be a sign of success of Obama's team.

we have out-of-control government spending and record deficits

This is false. Deficits were far greater during WWII -- and we came out of that period flying high.

and Americans are so angry

Nothing would make the people who hate America more angry than a successful Obama Administration.

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yabits ( to me ): "I know how much you'd hate ( for ) more Americans to find employment"

Would you please stop insulting me, and insulting the intelligence of JT readers?

Government debt under Obama is a record.

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Would you please stop insulting me, and insulting the intelligence of JT readers?

I sincerely wish you would stop insulting our President -- who was handed one of the toughest challenges of any incoming leader, with two wars and an economy on the verge of collapse into major depression, and has handled these issues better than anyone from the party that caused them.

Government debt under Obama is a record.

Anyone who can't understand how government debt as a ratio of GDP was greater during the WWII years is insulting their own intelligence.

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I hate to break this to you that nearly all economic indicators are back on the upswing.

That's why Obama's economic advisers are quitting. Like him they are just modest, self-effacing servants of the common good, who move where the call of duty calls them. Obama is doing such a splendid job I predict he will quietly exit the White House in a little over two years time.

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That's why Obama's economic advisers are quitting.

LOL! You really don't have a clue, as usual. Christina Romer traded jobs from being on the Council of Economic Advisors to being on the board of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board. Hardly quitting.

Her replacement on the Council, Goolsbee is excellent.

I'm delighted that Larry Summers is leaving. And, I'm just as sure if the Dow was tanking, you'd be here trying to convince everyone how bad things are.

But guess what, the markets are showing a lot of confidence in the current direction.

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"the markets are showing a lot of confidence"

According to most polls, voters are becoming increasingly skeptical of Obama's ability to manage the economy. All these polls must be bogus, eh, yabits?

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According to most polls, voters are becoming increasingly skeptical of Obama's ability to manage the economy. All these polls must be bogus, eh, yabits?

The economy has now been in recovery for nearly a year. As the indicators continue to improve, optimism will grow and hiring will pick up. The solid upward movement of the Dow, with its best September in 70 years, speaks to the improved fundamentals.

It's good to recall that the main reason Barack Obama was elected is because the voters had next to zero confidence in the ability of the Republicans to manage the economy. Most polls rate the public's dislike of Republicans as greater than that of their dislike of Democrats.

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yabits;: "The economy has now been in recovery for nearly a year. As indicators continue to inprove, optimism will grow and hiring will pick up"

That must be why according to nearly every poll the Democrats are in serious trouble and will most likely lose control of the House and possibly the Senate.

"the main reason Barack Obama was elected..."

Was because the Republicans nominated a moderate in his 70s who was going along with the bailouts, plus it was cool to vote for a "black" for president.

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That must be why according to nearly every poll the Democrats are in serious trouble and will most likely lose control of the House and possibly the Senate.

It is good to recall that the reason the voters threw out the Republicans was because of their complete mismanagement of the economy. The Democrats may well lose the House, which will only bode well for them in future elections, once the people take in the full cluelessness of the Republican replacements.

The sentiment goes against the Democrats for a number of reasons, such as a recovery that is not creating jobs nearly fast enough, the failure of Obama to appoint the kind of people who would bring about real reform of the financial system, the vast sums being poured into attack-type ads by those who hate our nation enough to exploit the anger and fear of ordinary Americans.

There is very little in the way of "pro-Republican" sentiment out there. The disgust with Republicans that got so many thrown out of office in the first place has not abated.

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