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Biden hits campaign trail; blames Trump for city violence

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“He can't stop the violence because for years he’s fomented it."

What a clown. Trump wants to send in troops to quell the violent BLM and antifa protesters. Biden is stirring the pot.

Take a hike, Biden! Go smell somethingwith that nose of yours.

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Trump did NOT start the fires. They've been burning since the first Spaniard/Portuguese/Dutch/French/Englishman etal stepped foot anywhere on American (the entire continent) shores. And even before that when the indigenous nations fought amongst themselves.

BUT, by taking 'sides' as his Republican rapid response team members say, by siding with his fellow far rightists from his ethnic group Trump is throwing fuel on those long burning fires and fanning their flames.

Under Trump the US is more violent and more unsafe than it's been for decades. Putin and Xi are smiling.

-1 ( +18 / -19 )

wait....what? there is no violence and has been no violence over these last months. Dems said so.

Its just people doing that they do, and the "myth" of Antifa.

All the burning, looting, assaulting, its all been "peaceful" protests.

But now because of bad polling for Dems. there suddenly is violence and Trump is responsible for years of it?

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Joe Biden: "Covid has taken this year, just since the outbreak, has taken more than 100 year, look, here's, the lives, it's just, when you think about it."

whaaaaat? like 5 people showed up to his speech, all media. No questions asked after. why did he even need to leave the basement for that?

I have a question; Why does the media never interrupt and scream questions at Biden like they do Trump? are they just not inquisitive about any of his positions?

3 ( +19 / -16 )

On Monday, Biden denounced violence and looting at protests.

On Monday, Biden finally realized that riots, peaceful riots, have been occurring in several large cities that are politically controlled by elected democrats. I'm sure that democrat party polling showing the general public's disapproval of rioting, arson, looting, physical violence, threats, and rioting had everything to do with brain damaged Biden's sudden change of heart.

“You know me. You know my heart. You know my story, my family’s story. Ask yourself: Do I look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for rioters? Really?”

Come on man. Yes Joe, you do look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for rioters. And you look like a Chinese government dupe.

2 ( +17 / -15 )

Both Trump and Biden have played a big role in all of this. I am afraid so many of you have no clue about Biden's history of assisting the racist Strom Thurmond to make laws that disproportionately put Black people in jail and with crazy long sentences. For two generations Joe Biden has helped devastate Black communities and now this, an attempted murder by white police beginning with a black family's domestic troubles. Anyone that knows anything won't let either of these two trolls off the hook.

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I just can't see Biden getting elected. Too old and too boring. His ship sailed a long time ago.

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Biden is a puppet for the democrats. So they finally are starting to realize the rioters were bad news. More and more shop owners, police and other businessmen are starting to favor Trump then Biden. Many probably want things to settle down already.

4 ( +16 / -12 )

The problem with the developing 2nd Civil War is there are no clear sides.

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Biden has no leg to stand on. He's part of the problem. Media owned by the Democrats play a big role in this. They've stigmatized, ridiculed, and demonized Republican presidents/conservatives like forever. I only started taking notice in Bush years. They encouraged, justified and normalized hatred toward both Bush and Trump. Trump got it worst because he fought back. He called out the hypocrites and the fake people that they are. Democrats/liberals have been spoiled to the point where they think they're on the right of history and they can't accept other opinions. So when things don't go their ways, they unleash their violence. It's a result of being spoiled, being brainwashed into thinking they're on the right side of history, being encouraged to hate and their violent acts normalized. After being ridiculed, stigmatized, and demonized by the media for 8 years under Bush, 8 years under Obama, 4 years under Trump, the conservatives have been very classy. I'm surprised they're still playing it cool.

But recent increase in violence really is due to the timing of the election. Trump's America is what they aim to portray. Who benefits from this bad image, certainly not Trump but the other side.

2 ( +17 / -15 )

Biden's only been around since the campaigning started. This national divide has been happening long before that, especially right-wing murderers.

I think Biden is better suited to handle the situation. I don't think the right view him to be some radical, liberal threat. They might not agree with his policies but let's just say a lot fewer people will believe he's from Kenya. And it's hard to paint a picture that "Sleepy Joe" is more of a threat than Trump.

Trump is putting all of his cards into division. I think come November people will have grow tired of it and will just want him to go away.

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Under Trump the US is more violent and more unsafe than it's been for decades.

Yup. Antifa is definitely violent. BLM as well. Yet, Trump does not support them.

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Its the democrate run cities that have most of the problem and the demonstrations and riots were encouraged by the dems! Suddenly they change their tune, too late

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wait....what? there is no violence and has been no violence over these last months. Dems said so.

Its just people doing that they do, and the "myth" of Antifa.

All the burning, looting, assaulting, its all been "peaceful" protests.

But now because of bad polling for Dems. there suddenly is violence and Trump is responsible for years of it?

So true!

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Yup. Antifa is definitely violent. BLM as well. Yet, Trump does not support them.

Trump's people:

"Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said."

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Biden:

I urge President Trump to join me in saying that while peaceful protest is an important right — violence is wrong. Period.

If he can’t say that, then he is unfit to be President.

Ummm....Joe.....Trump been saying that for months now while you were in the basement. Dems have been the ones claiming they have no idea what violence he is talking about, they see only "mostly peaceful" protests as things burned, were looted, as police were assaulted.

Please do try to catch up on what has happened while you been "gone".

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So my question is, what act of violence did the unarmed victim in Portland commit by being murdered?

Did he wear a violent hat? violent tshirt? what violence caused him to immediately need to be murdered by Antifa in response? did he not also have a right to peacefully protest?

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Trump did NOT start the fires.

Exactly, but Antifa, BLM and the anti-establishment forces did.

BUT, by taking 'sides' as his Republican rapid response team members say, by siding with his fellow far rightists from his ethnic group Trump is throwing fuel on those long burning fires and fanning their flames.

By calling for Law and Order, how dare the man!!

Under Trump the US is more violent and more unsafe than it's been for decades.

For the thugs and criminals, I hope so.

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Exactly, but Antifa, BLM and the anti-establishment forces did.

I thought you all liked Trump because he was anti-establishment. Hm. Weird.

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Its the democrate run cities that have most of the problem

Nearly all major American cities are Democrat run! Republicans cannot even get elected!

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Well thats gonna be changing......obviously.

People dont want to live in places where violent rioters burn down their local businesses, assault citizens in the street and loudly march in their neighborhoods in the middle of night.

Nearly all major American cities are Democrat run! Republicans cannot even get elected!

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It is clear that the violence has been exacerbated if not actually instigated by the WH because it sees fomenting racist mayhem and scaring the suburbans as a way to improve its re-election prospects. His fake leadership has all been smoke and mirrors up to this point anyway, so why not toss in a few flashbangs, some tear gas, and use lethal rounds instead of dummy rounds on civilian protesters? It's also telling that there has not been street violence like this since Nixon was in office, telling you all you need to know about the popularity of the pretender-in-chief. Trump has let the cops and federal agencies off the chain and given them cover to abuse citizens and deny them their constitutional rights, and abetted white ethnonationalist terrorists who want vengeance on blacks and progressives - who they view as an existential threat - for their own failed, miserable lives.

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I thought you all liked Trump because he was anti-establishment. Hm. Weird

Yes, we do and they as well, the difference is, we want a Republic and democracy for everyone, Marxists just want to radically change the foundation of this great nation.

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wait....what? there is no violence and has been no violence over these last months. Dems said so.

Incorrect.

Ummm....Joe.....Trump been saying that for months 

Like when Trump ordered peaceful protesters to be gassed so he could have his photo taken with a bible?

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Nearly all major American cities are Democrat run! Republicans cannot even get elected!

And look how violent and deplorable these States are. So bad that liberals can’t leave them fast enough.

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Yes, we do and they as well, the difference is, we want a Republic and democracy for everyone,

This isn't true, which is why the GOP wants to curtail voting rights.

Marxists just want to radically change the foundation of this great nation.

Yes, I want to change the racist, sexist, and classist foundations of the US, that is true.

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This isn't true, which is why the GOP wants to curtail voting rights.

But Democrats harvesting votes is ok? I see.....

Yes, I want to change the racist, sexist, and classist foundations of the US, that is true.

Then you definitely don’t want the Democrats in power, look at all the cities they run where minorities live, how are they doing under their leadership?

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But Democrats harvesting votes is ok? I see.....

By "harvesting", you mean "counting". And yes, counting votes is OK. This is a difficult concept for right-wingers, but it's call democracy.

Then you definitely don’t want the Democrats in power

True, I'd prefer socialists in power.

look at all the cities they run where minorities live, how are they doing under their leadership?

Better than they are in GOP cities.

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"Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said."

Without numbers and sources, it’s just hot air and nonsense.

In any case, what violence I see reported in the news is done by BLM and antifa. If it looks like a duck...

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Trump does deserve blame for this violence because he is at the top. He is the one who should lead by example, but he doesn't.

Also, Trump admires Putin and how he has built an iron grip on Russia by fixing the elections, killing or seriously poisoning his opposition, and stamping out any and all protests that may occur against his rule. Fortunately, there are enough Americans who understand that a Trump dictatorship is not good for liberty and justice in America, and will only perpetuate violence and dissent amongst people.

Trump thinks he can control what people think by condemning facts as "fake news" and then insert his own "fake news" as the facts. For example, incorrectly saying that he "inherited an economy in recession from Obama", when in fact there was no recession under Obama. He would like to incorrectly say that all the blame for the violence is on the left, when in fact it is also the fault of the right, who are always packing guns, creating an accident waiting to happen.

Also, Trump thinks he can use force to control Americans like when he tear-gassed people in order to get a phony photo-op in front of a church, even though he is not a devout Christian and can't even recite one verse that he likes from the Bible. This type of action only instigates more violence, not peace.

In the end, if Trump had a choice of improving his image, or stopping the violence, he would choose the former. He may love America, but he doesn't love the people in it.

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The Antifa who murdered a Trump supporter

Wow, that Trump supporter shouldn't have put himself in harm's way like that. He was the one who made the choices that led to his death.

was also arrested with a gun at the protest a few weeks ago, was let go to later kill someone.

Oh, so now the right hate the second amendment? He has a right to carry guns wherever he wants.

He was last seen outside the Portland mayor house, with his 11 year old son who was armed with a bat.

Now the right hates a father and son playing baseball, smdh.

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what choice was that exactly? Is he not allowed to peacefully protest without being murdered?

Wow, that Trump supporter shouldn't have put himself in harm's way like that. He was the one who made the choices that led to his death.

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Trump is the catalyst for this uprising. So, in a way, it's good that the racist state is now being reckoned with, but it's a shame people have to die.

At the end of the day, it's quite a simple choice. You are either in favour of fascism, or you aren't.

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Wow, that Trump supporter shouldn't have put himself in harm's way like that. He was the one who made the choices that led to his death. 

You can make the same arguments about Blake for getting shot and Rittenhouse for defending himself. It’s these peoples fault for what happened to them.

Oh, so now the right hate the second amendment?

Not a single Republican on record wants to repeal it.

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what choice was that exactly? Is he not allowed to peacefully protest without being murdered?

Oh, it's just that whenever a black person gets murdered, it's always on them and their choices. Even if that choice was "went for a drive", you guys always say it was the fault of the victim. So this is the same thing.

Trump is now polling 30% with blacks.

Could you link me to this poll?

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Biden hits campaign trail; blames Trump for city violence

Biden blaming Trump for city violence? I wonder if this is just a click bait headline (it’s working) or are the Dems going to use this as a major campaign strategy? These Dems are so out of touch with real folks. It’s like they base their strategy on what CNN is pushing.

Who owns CNN?

Warner Media

“The company has film, television and cableoperations, with its assets including WarnerMedia Studios & Networks (consisting of the entertainment and family-friendly assets of Turner Broadcasting, HBO, and Cinemax, as well as Warner Bros. (consisting of the film, animation, and television studios, DC Comics, New Line Cinema, and with ViacomCBS, a 50% interest in The CWtelevision network)., WarnerMedia News & Sports (consisting of the news and sports assets of Turner Broadcasting, as well as AT&T SportsNet), WarnerMedia Commercial (consisting of digital analytics company Xandr, Otter Media, and the company's home entertainment division.), and WarnerMedia Direct (consisting of the HBO Maxstreaming service).”

That’s a lot of fakeness. Well, maybe not the sports. No wonder the Dems don’t get a grip on reality, their base lives in this fantasy world.

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-2 ( +7 / -9 )

Any way you look at it, it’s messed up. So glad I live in japan and not the USA.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

Counting isn't cheating.

Sensing dead people and pets random ballots is.

Why would I lie

I just wish Democrats would be as honest as you.

It must be true

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PTownsendToday  09:42 am JST

Trump did NOT start the fires. They've been burning since the first Spaniard/Portuguese/Dutch/French/Englishman etal stepped foot anywhere on American (the entire continent) shores. And even before that when the indigenous nations fought amongst themselves.

BUT, by taking 'sides' as his Republican rapid response team members say, by siding with his fellow far rightists from his ethnic group Trump is throwing fuel on those long burning fires and fanning their flames.

Under Trump the US is more violent and more unsafe than it's been for decades. Putin and Xi are smiling.

Who has been lying and denying the CoVid-19? Who has riled the racist militia crud to terrorize statehouses and cause ruckuses? Who's beeen sending goons to Portland and other cities to harass peaceful protests and make them violent? Who has teargassed protesters at a church so he could blaspheme and desecrate it and another one too?

Donald Trump is a fascist. Fascists do these things. And his juvenile use of the word 'socialist' only shows how ignorant and stupid he is as well as how unfit he is for social debate, let alone political office.

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@ToastedHeretic: At the end of the day, it's quite a simple choice. You are either in favour of fascism, or you aren't.

The vast majority of Americans are NOT in favor of fascism. Thats why come November Trump gets FOUR MORE YEARS.

-1 ( +8 / -9 )

Hope Trump sends in the National Guard to Portland.

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@ToastedHeretic: At the end of the day, it's quite a simple choice. You are either in favour of fascism, or you aren't.

Most Americans who are in favor of racism are in antifa.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

Antifa/BLM was violent before the federal agents (not "goons") came and are still so after they left.

The Oregon governor has just invited them back, by the way.

Who's beeen sending goons to Portland and other cities to harass peaceful protests and make them violent?

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

what choice was that exactly? Is he not allowed to peacefully protest without being murdered?

The same could be said about the two protesters who were shot and killed by the 17 year-old gunman in Kenosha. They were peacefully protesting armed with only a skateboard and had to get shot at. Pathetic.

At least Biden is condemning the violence on both sides. Trump on the other hand, shows his bias and only says it's the left doing the violence. He shows his bias by defending the 17 year-old shooter as "defending himself". What? There were protesters running after him, only because they saw him shoot an unarmed man in the parking lot. He even knew he made a grievous mistake. Video shows him clearly saying, "Oh no, I just killed somebody" and other members of his group, who were also armed saying "What did you do?" when they realized that he just killed someone. But, Trump would place destruction of property over a killing.

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Are people really that stupid that they think Biden is the guy to unify and rebuild the U.S.?

For over 1/2 a century that guy has been a part of DC, think about it before you react. He has done nothing that has added any value to the United States throughout his political career. He is a failed politician with nothing left to do or say.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

At the end of the day, it's quite a simple choice. You are either in favour of fascism, or you aren't.

Well, I am not in favour of Fascism and I am definetly not in favour of a Biden/Harris ticket.

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The vast majority of Americans are NOT in favor of fascism. Thats why come November Trump gets FOUR MORE YEARS.

Maybe in bizarro world, but some of us bother to read history and stay with facts. Yesterday, you made out that being anti-fascist was a Russian communist construct, so I'll take your alternate facts with a large pinch of salt, thanks.

This is the tactic that Trump and his followers use - all the valid criticisms used against them are mirrored back at their detractors and critics. It's typical schoolyard stuff -

You farted, ugh!

No, YOU farted!

Etc, etc ad infinitum.

Painting your opponents as unpatriotic, painting the media as the enemy of the people, disregard for the laws of office, painting the foreigner as bad, the minority as "coming to get you", threatening to hold onto power if defeated, threatening violence against dissenters, a notoriously thin skin, vanity projects, making issues all about yourself... these are textbook examples of authoritatian and fascist leaders.

Four more years in jail to be added to his many crimes once he's out of office.

2 ( +9 / -7 )

Most Americans who are in favor of racism are in antifa.

Why do the far right lie so much, do you think? Or can you back up that statement?

Anti fascism is standing up to racism and authoritarian movements. They stand up to brutality, lynchings, shootings, genocide, regimes that murder and oppress.

3 ( +8 / -5 )

As an Independent voter all I can say is Biden just doesn't seem authentic. There is something very strange about him. I am not really a fan of Trump either but at least we clearly know where he stands on the issues. This is very important if you're running for President. I am still waiting for Biden to step up and show me why he would be a better commander in chief. So far, he is a very flat and un inspiring politician.

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Well, I am not in favour of Fascism and I am definetly not in favour of a Biden/Harris ticket.

Sure, I get it - he's an awful choice and hardly a revolutionary. The US needed someone like Sanders but the Democrat elite were terrified of the status quo being changed.

That said, anyone's better than the madman in the White House.

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@PTownsend,

Trump did NOT start the fires. They've been burning since the first Spaniard/Portuguese/Dutch/French/Englishman etal stepped foot anywhere on American (the entire continent) shores. 

Had to thumb you up for working in a Billy Joel "We Didn't Start The Fire" reference.

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Maybe in bizarro world, but some of us bother to read history and stay with facts. Yesterday, you made out that being anti-fascist was a Russian communist construct,

Pretty much.

This is the tactic that Trump and his followers use

No, it’s not what we want it to be, it’s what it is.

Painting your opponents as unpatriotic,

if they were patriotic, they would not be destroying the city and tearing down statues and usurping the law and disrespect and disobey the police and law-enforcement and wouldn’t say bail and dirty things about America about its culture and its history, they are very anti-American and unpatriotic. They are the ones that painted themselves as such.

the foreigner as bad,

Some foreigners do want to hurt and destroy America, Islam or radical Islam has sworn up and down that America needs to be destroyed. I remember 9/11 and yes, why should those people be in our country if they hate us?

these are textbook examples of authoritatian and fascist leaders.

For upholding the law? Ok, if you think so....

Four more years in jail to be added to his many crimes once he's out of office

Lol, that won’t happen, no crime was committed, but hiding a private server in a restaurant with government information that’s classified, yeah, that would be a crime, a real crime.

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Are people really that stupid that they think Biden is the guy to unify and rebuild the U.S.?

Nobody is going to unify the US in the current climate, its way too divided. Whoever wins, the other side will spend the next 4 years being pissed off.

At least with Biden though you get someone who actually wants the job and has outlined clear policy objectives should he be elected. Trump literally doesn't have a platform this election, so all you've got is him running on a platform of more of him for four years. No thanks.

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Any way you look at it, it’s messed up. So glad I live in japan and not the USA.

I always loved visiting the States but I fear for my family and friends there with the current situation. The rise of the far right and religious fundamentals holding guns and bibles, who believe that Trump is divinely appointed... SAF!

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Most Americans who are in favor of racism are in antifa.

Very true. Just gloss through YouTube and Twitter the videos just don’t stop coming from them. It used to be every now and then, now it’s daily and a few times a day.

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The US needed someone like Sanders

A committed Socialist would and never will make the Presidency, close, but not like that.

but the Democrat elite were terrified of the status quo being changed.

Because of these people lived in a socialist country, even the Democrats like money.

That said, anyone's better than the madman in the White House.

Yeah, Financial independence and self-reliance and the ability to work hard and to generate as much money as you can or want based on your hard work some efforts, that’s just such a bad and low level thing to do how dare anyone do that?!

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@bugle b. Agree.

but you live in the 52nd state run by grandpas.

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"I am Joe Biden, and I approve of these riots".

Now that would be a bit of rare truth in advertising...

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@Bass

You can make the same arguments about Blake for getting shot and Rittenhouse for defending himself. It’s these peoples fault for what happened to them.

Kyle Rittenhouse who illegally carried an AR-15 across state lines to kill two people and wound one person?

I wonder if Kyle knew that he would get so mush love and support from the trump, GOP, and Christian Right after he was videotaped beating a girl this summer

KYLE RITTENHOUSE PUNCHES GIRL MULTIPLE TIMES!! Earlier This Summer!! Kenosha Shooter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOO2x9xJoI4

Why is murder an appropriate response to property, but property damage is not an appropriate response to murder?

It seems to only be appropriate when Whites do it. ( American Revolution, Sports Championships, Attacking Black Communities! ex. Tulsa "Black Wall Street"!)

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Very true. Just gloss through YouTube and Twitter the videos just don’t stop coming from them. It used to be every now and then, now it’s daily and a few times a day.

Yes, because videos can’t be manipulated and social media isn’t a hotbed for nonsense.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

*Toasted Heretic **This is the tactic that Trump and his followers use - all the valid criticisms used against them are mirrored back at their detractors and critics. It's typical schoolyard stuff -*

You farted, ugh!

*No, YOU farted!*

Etc, etc ad infinitum.

That's Trump alright. He's as juvenile as one can be.

'Is not!'

'Is so!'

'Is NOT!'

'Is SO!'

(Trump holds his breath. Somebody needs to slap him).

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Yes, because videos can’t be manipulated and social media isn’t a hotbed for nonsense.

Yeah, liberals are really unsuccessfully trying to go with that lie throughout the msm circles.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/joe-bidens-statement-on-the-violence-riots-is-way-too-little-way-too-late

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The GOP is calling for “citizen soldiers” to take to the streets and defending the 17 y/o that murdered two people in Kenosha.

Someone tell me again how it’s the Dems that support this violence despite them actually denouncing it.

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Yeah, liberals are really unsuccessfully trying to go with that lie throughout the msm circles.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/joe-bidens-statement-on-the-violence-riots-is-way-too-little-way-too-late

Here we go again with denying reality and posting irrelevant links. So predictable.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

The GOP just keeping it peaceful:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/ron-johnson-citizen-soldiers-vigilantes-024004443.html

0 ( +4 / -4 )

It even says the truth about Biden in the article go read it again

It clearly says "Biden is a tool of the radical left"

and most people with an IQ above their shoe size know he is a tool.

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The GOP is calling for “citizen soldiers” to take to the streets and defending the 17 y/o that murdered two people in Kenosha.

Good and by the way, since when is self-defense murder? The guy that he shot in the arm, I don’t hear liberals say anything about the guy that had a gun in his hand that was ready to shoot the kid, that to me is outrageous and left a silent on that. And once again liberals are trying to say he should’ve just not have used any weapon and allowed this punk to shoot him. Nope, he did the right thing in defending himself, can’t blame him for that.

Someone tell me again how it’s the Dems that support this violence despite them actually denouncing it.

After three months Biden reads a prepared speech, pretty much mimicking Trump’s speech, but takes no questions from reporters, I couldn’t stop laughing, just you wait until the debates, Biden will be more smoked than salmon.

Here we go again with denying reality and posting irrelevant links. So predictable

No, it’s just you guys can’t refute it.

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Twitter for the win- violent riots never once mentioned during 4 days of the DNC.

The fact that Biden had to give a speech forcefully condemning the riots, a subject that was never once mentioned at the DNC, is proof that the Dems botched their convention.

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Heh, a "campaign stop" comprising only of about a half dozen reporters -- each restricted inside giant white circles -- and no voters. Joe Biden: A true man of the people.

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@Black

Twitter for the win- violent riots never once mentioned during 4 days of the DNC.

trump and GOP for the win --- 6,000,000 infections, 175,000 deaths, and high unemployment never once mentioned during the 4 days of the RNC

0 ( +4 / -4 )

I am no voter but know the States and some Americans.

USA has been struggling to educate all its people to get enough social harmony.

The gap between the haves and haves not has been widening for decades.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/219643/gini-coefficient-for-us-individuals-families-and-households/

Neither Trump nor Biden are open minded people because lost in the old ages.

It is a pity the voting system doesn't offer a chance to other candidates at same level to those two parrots.

Trump is to blame for Covid19 high number of deaths happening and Biden is to blame for BLM useless protests when bad people are seen as martyrs.

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BlacklabelToday  11:55 am JST

what choice was that exactly? Is he not allowed to peacefully protest without being murdered?

Are you talking about Kyle? How is taking a semi-automatic weapon to a protest peaceful???? It's not even self defense, he intentionally went 20 miles out of his way with a loaded murder weapon.

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no I am obviously talking about the Trump supporter murdered by Antifa. But nice try.

"Kyle" didnt take a weapon to a protest. The protest came to him where he was guarding a business.

Where he was harassed by a white man who kept saying "shoot me (n-word)" and acted violently towards him.

Are you talking about Kyle?

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knickknacknokker

Are you talking about Kyle? How is taking a semi-automatic weapon to a protest peaceful???? It's not even self defense, he intentionally went 20 miles out of his way with a loaded murder weapon.

How about taking a weapon to murderous riots? I don´t like anybody taking weapons, but calling these riots "protests" is putting lipstick on a pig. Without his weapon he would be dead btw, which you would know if you saw the video.

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Biden's only been around since the campaigning started. This national divide has been happening long before that, especially right-wing murderers.

Biden has been around for 47 years, most of that a US Senator. And what campaign are you referring? 1972?

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Kyle Rittenhouse who illegally carried an AR-15 across state lines

The rifle involved never crossed state lines, the rifle was legally purchased and possessed by a Minnesota citizen who lent it to Rittenhouse. The state of Minnesota is an open carry state and an exception is in effect that allows 16 and 17 year old's to carry a rifle or shotgun.

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 Marxists just want to radically change the foundation of this great nation.

Can anyone name a single American Marxist, never mind a prominent or influential public figure who has the ear of the nation? Marxist, Schmarxist - it's all just more of the same ridiculous right-wing paranoia or insidious gaslighting that will not persuade thinking citizens to cower in fear of a future under Biden when they can see with their own eyes the appalling present state of Donald Trump's America and conclude from the latter's daily tweets and speeches that, instead of bringing the country together and healing the wounds of division, he is devoid of all empathy and so driven by self-regard and overweening ambition as to be wholly incapable of uttering any words or performing deeds as Potus which are not fueled by fear and hate in his Ahab-like obsession to dominate and promote the Trump brand. Many people are now saying, "God Save America (from a second term)!"

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and the guy he shot who lived had a Glock. Said his only regret is that he didnt kill Kyle.

Rittenhouse was shooting people. Grosskreutz was a Good Guy With A Gun.

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Good and by the way, since when is self-defense murder? 

What is self defense depends on the jurisdiction.

After three months Biden reads a prepared speech, pretty much mimicking Trump’s speech, but takes no questions from reporters, I couldn’t stop laughing, just you wait until the debates, Biden will be more smoked than salmon.

This inaccuracy again?

No, it’s just you guys can’t refute it.

Why would we bother refuting an irrelevant opinion piece?

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Yes Trump is certainly egging all of the looting and burning on.  He is also responsible for the rights citizens have to defend themselves and their property.  That's why we have mobs of far right Nazis rampaging the streets burning down businesses and homes and indiscriminately shooting black people.  I bet he is just itching to send in the USMC or to bomb Dem cities.......

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How about taking a weapon to murderous riots? I don´t like anybody taking weapons, but calling these riots "protests" is putting lipstick on a pig. Without his weapon he would be dead btw, which you would know if you saw the video.

Assuming without agree that it was a”murderous riot,” why would anyone go to it in the first place? Throw in the fact that he took an assault rifle and the logical inference is he was trying to cause trouble.

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The GOP is calling for “citizen soldiers” to take to the streets and defending the 17 y/o that murdered two people in Kenosha.

Good

GOP: We're for law and order.

Also GOP: Illegal vigilantism is good, actually.

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Trump is gonna win, simple as that. I'm a minority and I am voting Trump. I hope my hometown of LA one day abandons all this fake leftist ideology and becomes prosperous. Cant wait to see all the 2020 liberal tear pics :)

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no he was protecting a business, he had no part in the riot. he didnt go to a riot, nor did he take a rifle to the riot. He was specifically asked by business owners to help protect his building.

I see, so the business owners should also be arrested for illegally arming a minor who had travelled across state lines. Good thinking, I agree.

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calling these riots "protests" is putting lipstick on a pig. Without his weapon he would be dead btw, which you would know if you saw the video.

That is for sure. Kyle committed no crime (including the phony claim of transporting a rifle across state lines) and acted in clear self defense.

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The more the left distort facts the more Americans are turned off them in disgust.

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the majority of people in America whether they be conservative or liberal do value the rule of law 

This isn't true, Republicans overwhelmingly favor vigilante justice rather than the rule of law. You've even said as much yourself in this thread.

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Kyle committed no crime 

Aside from murder.

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If the roles were reversed and if they were hard-core Bernie supporters or Biden supporters and they killed a couple of Trump supporters, we all know the liberals would not say a thing in there cheering crowd would applaud them, but that’s not how it happened and that liberals are upset because this kid had the sheer audacity to fight back.

This isn't true.

I’ll bet you this guy will not spend a day in jail and even if he goes to jail he’ll probably be out in just a few months, if at all

He's been held in jail for over a day. What do I win?

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SneezyToday 01:28 pm JST

> Rittenhouse was shooting people. Grosskreutz was a Good Guy With A Gun.

Have you seen the videos, you do realize that the guy sitting on the ground was about to be executed by the guy with the hand gun and you are saying he was a good guy ??

Rittenhouse was defending himself from being executed by your so called Good Guy W T F ?

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Have you seen the videos, you do realize that the guy sitting on the ground was about to be executed by the guy with the hand gun and you are saying he was a good guy ??

Rittenhouse was defending himself from being executed by your so called Good Guy W T F ?

Rittenhouse had already murdered people, with a gun. You guys are always saying that Good Guys With Guns are the solution to Bad Guys With Guns (like Rittenhouse), so what's the issue?

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ZaphodToday  01:17 pm JST

knickknacknokker

Are you talking about Kyle? How is taking a semi-automatic weapon to a protest peaceful???? It's not even self defense, he intentionally went 20 miles out of his way with a loaded murder weapon.

How about taking a weapon to murderous riots? I don´t like anybody taking weapons, but calling these riots "protests" is putting lipstick on a pig. Without his weapon he would be dead btw, which you would know if you saw the video.

The guy panicked and shot dead 2 unarmed civilians, he would not have done that if he hadn't gone out with a gun and he would not have attracted the attention of alarmed protesters if he had not been toting it in public, so your talking BS.

It is not his job nor his duty to to do any of what he did and the resulting incident is proof of why.

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SneezyToday 01:49 pm JST

> This isn't true, Republicans overwhelmingly favor vigilante justice rather than the rule of law. You've even said as much yourself in this thread.

What where do you get this information from please show a citation for this ludicrous claim, most Republicans would prefer to live lawfully and have everyone else live lawfully but there is a certain element who want to continue to create crime and anarchy.

Republicans are not overwhelmingly in favor of vigilante justice show us where the statistics show this......

just more Unsubstantiated claims !

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again, ignoring the 1st guy who was inciting violence and chasing him down the street. then ignoring the 2nd guy bashing him over the head with a skateboard. Then another random guy who kicked him in the head and ran away. then the guy armed with a pistol who wanted to kill him. You kinda leave out a lot in your summary, including 1 armed person who is crucial to the story.

First of all, the 1st guy was not chasing him down the street. He was walking in the parking lot to get to his car which was blocked off by a bunch of people with guns, like Kyle Rittenhouse.

Secondly, the guy chasing him down the street didn't try to "bash him over the head with a skateboard", he was using it to

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The violent scenes playing out on the streets of America are déjà vu to Germans who remember similar scenes of brown-shirted hooligans doing their leader's bidding. So Trump continues to pour gasoline on the fires of civic unrest with his uncouth provocative comments unworthy of any president. Trump's transparent bid to cling to power in November will surely fail since many people can see after 4 years that he's nothing but an embarrassing deadbeat and a loser.

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swipe the gun away from him.

Third, if you're playing the speculating game, then you could also say that if this kid didn't cross state lines with a gun, then he wouldn't have been in this mess in the first place. Bringing in a gun to a protest is a surefire way to incite violence against you. If he just stayed home, these three people wouldn't have been shot.

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Well its actually the job of the police first, but you hate them just as the Dem mayor does.

Why were the police hanging around, handing out water to an armed mob when they could have instead simply guarded a business? Weird.

So they were not allowed to do their job. The business owner had 2 other buildings burned down and only had 1 left. so he asked people to help protect it when the Dem mayor and governor denied the National Guard and extra police that were needed.

So you think that the business owner hired a minor from another state to illegally brandish a firearm, an unnecessary show of force that resulted in two deaths and a maiming. OK, then let's arrest the business owner, too. Sounds like he has some responsibility to bear.

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Nope, I’m saying he and anyone else has the right to self defense. Period.

Yes, that's what makes Grosskreutz a good guy with a gun. He went to stop Rittenhouse, a murderer, in defense of himself and his community.

Every conservative is preaching self defense, if someone is going to attack you, defend yourself and don’t be a victim. Had Rand Paul pulled out a gun to protect himself and his wife as the mob swooped in to finish them off he would be a vigilante in liberal eyes.

What does Rand Paul have to do with this?

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Every conservative is preaching self defense,

Self-defense is defending your home from an attacker, or defending yourself from getting mugged or robbed on the street.

Self-defense is not going into a place where you don't live, armed and instigating violence upon you. I can see if Mr. Rittenhouse was at home and an intruder came into his house. He has every right to shoot a gun at that person. If he had stayed home, none of this would have happened. He is not a trained police officer. It's not his job to go out and hunt down people. If vigilantism was legal, then that means I could go there with a gun to protect the protesters from these armed people. I could shoot and then claim self-defense, no matter the situation.

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Despite all the bickering in the thread above, the indisputable fact is that this is all Trump's fault.  If Biden were in the White House then cops would never deliberately or mistakenly take black lives.  And citizens would not be angry if, despite Bidens firm hand and calming presence, an occasional accidental killing of a black suspect happened.  and no one would feel the need to defend themselves......

If Trump could grow a toothbrush mustache he would.....

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Rittenhouse had already murdered people, with a gun.

@Sneezy As someone who called George Zimmerman a murderer and still does to this day, as someone who thinks the cop that shot Jacob Blake in the back belongs in a jail cell, please listen when I say the above quote is simply NOT true. He had killed precisely one person at that point and that person, that VIOLENT IDIOT was chasing him and about to overtake him before getting his crazy ass shot and killed. The next two people to get shot chased and rushed him with a pack of other idiots while he was on the ground and still armed. One of those died.

I am by far not in the Trump/cop/rightist/white supremacist loving camp, but its vital we get this right and the narrative we are being fed about the incident is totally false. Don't fall for the polarized nonsense. The truth is he defended himself from people probably just as loony as he is.

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Trumpet supporters: It’s compete and total mayhem at m these democrat run cities. No wonder people are leaving them.

Also conservatives: It’s completely reasonable for Kyle to have gone into the middle of a riot with a weapon.

Remember, Kyle intentionally armed himself with an assault rifle and waded into the middle of a volatile situation instead of simply staying away. Much like the Trump supporters that drove through Portland, he was looking for trouble.

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So P. Smith one person who goes out side is wrong but 100s of marauding rioters causing mayhem and trouble rioting burning and looting are not going on your logic ?

How is that ,? Please explain why its ok for hundreds to be acting illegally lawlessly but as soon as one of them is shot then you scream and yell how wrong things are , perhaps going on your way of thinking if all these rioters and looters acting lawlessly had of stayed home and behaved themselves none of them would have been shot !!

Play with fire get burnt, then blame the matches ???

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