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PTownsend
As is Saudi Arabia's. Let the Gulf nations fight their own battles.
Or let the oil corporations create their own militaries to fight for their interests. But then come to think of it, maybe in the case of the US, they already have.
Chip Star
Let me get my crayons out first . . . The US was threatening to sanctio the other countries if they continued to do business with Iran. Iran saw the writing in the wall. Wow! That was tough. I'm tired from thinking so much.
Donny scrapping the nuclear deal and choking Iran's economy directly led to the tanker being seized. Whew! I need a rest after using all that intellectual trial capacity.
Hopefully not. Everything Donny touches turns into a turd.
Peter14
One thing is clear. Had the British not seized the Iranian Tanker, then Iran would not have seized the British tanker in retaliation.
Iran is responding to others actions. The US in doing its utmost to stop Iranian oil exports, without just cause and illegally imo. British seizing their (Iran's) tanker going about its legal business.
It is easy to paint Iran as the bad guy but they are not initiating the problems, others are.
Chip Star
Is that why these kind of actions by Iran were not nearly as frequent before Donny ripped up the nuclear deal and started choking Iran's economy?
Chip Star
Because they were getting what they deserved, which is what how many countries agreed to in exchange for severe, verifiable limits on Iran's nuclear program?
Kobe White Bar Owner
@PTownsendToday 07:20 am JST
As is Saudi Arabia's. Let the Gulf nations fight their own battles.
Or let the oil corporations create their own militaries to fight for their interests. But then come to think of it, maybe in the case of the US, they already have.
Agreed but letting them fight their own battles aint good for business (millitary i.c.)
CrazyJoe
Here's the deal... rabidly pro-Israel billionaires Sheldon and Miriam Adelson pumped tens of millions of dollars into the campaign coffers of Trump and other GOP candidates during 2016 campaign. The quid pro quo was that, in exchange for the cash, the US would withdraw from the JCPOA - the Iran nuclear deal.
Trump dutifully fulfilled his end of the bargain with the Adelsons. Now, we are facing a looming war with Iran... at Israel's behest.
These ugly facts are seldom mentioned in the US media.
Britain seized an Iranian tanker, and Iran seized a British tanker. Now, who is on the moral pedestal to demand the other better behave? Actions have consequences, and often unpleasant and dangerous consequences. Look in your own pockets before searching for dirt in others.
Cricky
Well let's see who's seized tanker is bigger. And who's God is bigger. It's the only way to solve this.
Chip Star
Odd how you are blaming Iran for reacting to Donny ripping up the deal with nothing in place and no idea what to do and then choking Iran's economy.
Funny how Iran wasn't acting out like this or enriching this much uranium to this high of level under the deal that you constantly disparage.
talaraedokko
We’ve yet to hear the other side of the story. Was the ship really in Iranian waters? What international rules was the ship breaking? Hearsay. Definitely a tit for tat.
BTW, I’m going solar.
SuperLib
Things were much better under Obama. No enrichment and no incidents like these.
AgentX
Tit for tat, except that the US is the one that placed crippling embargoes on Iran for having the same weapons that a bunch of nations around the globe do (coincidentally, the US has the most and is the only nation to have ever used them as a weapon...).
This! The US way if pushing nations into war are so transparent these days. The US government has turned its country into a rogue state.
AgentX
Any proof of that?
Interested to know whose airspace this death machine was in...
Wow! Must have been terrifying...
The tanker broke Iranian law in Iranian waters. Hence the boarding and processing of the ship that they then sent on it's way. Any developed nation would do the same.
Iran is not allowed to enforce its own laws? It's a sovereign nation, not a cash cow in a gimp mask for Team 'Merica!
Chip Star
You're applying logic and reason to racism, which is an exercise in futility.
RichardPearce
Only to the antidemocratic dictatorships and the Apartheid regime.
Indeed, that America (and others) feel threatened by Iran's support for democracy movements and democratic countries should be an embarrassment to the US. That it isn't is a mark of ignorance, arrogance, and corruption.
Hello Kitty 321
Jeez, why do Americans have to make everything about Trump and Obama. The British illegally kidnapped an Iranian ship. The Iranians replied in kind. End of story.
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
"The Swedish owners of the Stena Impero said the vessel had come under "attack" in the Strait of Hormuz."
Under "attack"? Same has the British did to the Iranian vessel! When the British do it its "detention of an Iranian tanker" but if Iran does it its an "attack".
Scrote
No surprise there; the UK government is already whining about the need to protect freedom of navigation. It's a pity the UK government didn't apply those same freedoms to the Iranian vessel they seized. They still haven't explained why EU sanctions should apply to trade between Iran and Syria.
Madverts
Could somebody that understands 12 dimensional Trump Tiddlywinks explain to me what the endgame is here?
It sure seems like war...
lostrune2
UK should had seen this coming with Iran harassing ships for weeks
SuperLib
Anyone with half a brain could have predicted this.
The hardliners in Iran were always against dealing with the US. Enter Trump who backs out of the deal. The hardliners say this proves they were right, then the Revolutionary Guard, which needs no permission from the government, starts doing their own thing.
Expect lots of lower level engagements, like shooting down drones and capturing tankers. Nothing that will bring all out war, just things that cause headaches for the West in general. And enrichment. Lots and lots of enrichment.
Now what Trump needs to do is build an international coalition to handle - hahahahahahahahah. Sorry. I tried to say that with a straight face. Trump building an international coalition? hahahahahaha ahaha
He has no idea what to do next. The Revolutionary Guard will continue to do what they do, Trump will talk a lot, and that will be that. Trump fans will say utterly useless things like, "Why did we send them money?" to distract from their idiotic support of stopping a working deal that brought us to where we are today.
SuperLib
You'd have to be a total idiot if you didn't predict this exact outcome from Trump's actions.
He walked away from a working agreement and engaged in economic warfare. Now Iran is responding in ways they are capable of.
The more the US adds pressure, the more Iran will respond. It might be in Yemen, or Israel, or SA, or harassing the oil supply chain.
But completely and totally predictable. Trump destroyed a working deal and now things are falling apart as a result with no way out.
Mr Kipling
Iran... sending a very strong message that they can and will disrupt the flow of oil and the world economy..... Nobody really wants a war with Iran.
Andrew Crisp
Good point, let the Middle Eastern Countries fight it out amongst themselves - if the money spent fighting the wars in Iraq, Libya and Syria was spent on better things such as finding and developing other oil supplies, or technology to reduce the worlds reliance on Middle Eastern Oil.
stormcrow
If Iran takes a page from Kim's N. Korean playbook, the Iranians will build a pile of nukes and then enter negotiations with the U.S. Why settle for less when you can have much more than before?
Thanks goes to Pres. Trump.
Give up something (the Obama deal) which was better for (the Trump deal) much less.
PTownsend
Low standards. So using that standard, a white male married to a Japanese (i.e. people who are considered to be 'Asian', what some say is one of the 'races', as opposed to Jewish, which some argue is not a separate race) woman, a man who blatantly discriminates against Africans or other not from his own 'race' would not be racist.
Why is the above part of her post allowed to be 'on topic'.
Chip Star
Agreed. That, however, does not change the fact that Iran was not doing these things until Donny ripped up the nuclear deal and started choking Iran's economy.
Do you expect Iran to sit back and nothing in response to Donny trying to punish it for have no abided by the agreement?
You didn't have to assume I was talking about Trump because Donny is an extremely common nickname for Donald.
mmwkdw
What options do we have ?
Nuking Iran - not politically viable in the West... unless some of that excess Iranian Nuke material is used to make a dirty bomb that is used in an attack on US soil... then, Iran will be wiped out, and the consequences will be far-reaching thereafter... God help us all in that case.
Naval blockade - doable. Especially with Multiple Countries now involved. Costly, but would be effective. Oil prices will Rocket, and Iran won't benefit, as its own ships will be blocked from entering International waters. Maybe the best option - but painful to see the suffering of the normal man in the street within Iran.
Cruise Missile strike... ineffective, as the recent Syria strikes showed.
Conventional Invasion - unlikely, as Iran has a large military force and their Guerilla tactics would be quite effective against such an invasion.Where do we go from here ?
Chip Star
Thanks for unnecessarily exacerbating the situation, Donny. All because you are racist and obsessed with Obama.
mmwkdw
OK, this is slightly off topic, but...
Q. Does IRAN stabilise the region, or destabilize it ?
Were IRAN to be removed from the equation - what would happen next ?
Any thoughts ?
CrazyJoe
Tough to decide who to believe here.
A totalitarian regime using religious fervor and irrational hatred of their adversary to gin up support among their citizens who would rather shake off the oppressive dictates of the regime and rejoin the global community...
or Iran.
albaleo
I'm still looking for an answer to that one too. No luck so far.
Raw Beer
Do you mean like the billions of AMERICAN tax payer dollars the US gives to Israel?
...and Libya.
Ex_Res
Is that why these kind of actions by Iran were not nearly as frequent before Donny ripped up the nuclear deal and started choking Iran's economy?
These kind of actions should not be happening at all, no matter who the President of the USA is. (I assume that when the commentator write's "Donny", he/she does mean President Trump).
FizzBit
That’s because Obama’s incidents occurred in Syria.
shonanbb
Trump is not a racist by the way. No racist would let their daughter convert to become a Jew nor marry one.
I am glad he is sitting back and not bombing Iran.
Texas A&M Aggie
So, the Brits seized an Iranian tanker last week for allegedly trying to smuggle oil into Syria. Iran then told the Brits straight up that they intended to respond in kind the first chance they got.
The question becomes why was the UK not escorting their flagged vessels?
bass4funk
Exactly. Dropped the ball.
extanker
Because they were getting what they wanted. Just like North Korea, don't give them what they want and they start throwing temper tantrums.
bass4funk
But it’s not, not yet at least and if it does happen, rest assured, they’ll be no boots on the ground. With the hardware we have, it’ll be enough to ultimately reach the overall objection, just Washington needs to stay out and let the military do what it does and the Washington establishment bureaucrats do what they do....which isn’t much
bass4funk
Interesting observation, but we’ve learned from that, this is why the next war won’t need to have ground troops, so no, I’m not advocating for the old guard.
bass4funk
I was in Iraq, no gun, but a camera, I did my time for my country and the world actually
It most definitely can, if you let it and keep the Washington bureaucrats out of the mix.
Texas A&M Aggie
SuperLibToday 10:33 am JST
Things were much better under Obama. . . no incidents like these.
Those U.S. Navy sailors who were taken hostage by Iran under Obama's watch would beg to differ.
Belrick
Oh purleeze! Get off this bandwagon of blaming Trump for everything! Or do you believe that Iran is a nice regime and Obama did nothing wrong? Yeah, you probably do.
Belrick
@chip star, funny how Iran was blatantly ignoring the deal set in place by producing over their agreed weight, and how Obama gave them a billion dollars. Or has your liberal mind chosen to forget the facts, again!
Blacklabel
No obligation to give money to people to terrorize the world. Could have repaid them in goods not cash.
Blacklabel
Iranian money we had no moral obligation to give back knowing it would be used for nuclear weapons and terrorism. We had kept it since 1979 why was Obama insistent to give it back in cash right before the deal he need for political purposes?
bass4funk
Bingo!
arrestpaul
It appears that the "peaceful" Iranians have now attacked six tankers with limpet mines, shot down a U.S. drone, attempted to hijack one tanker, threatened a U.S. warship with toy drone, and have hijacked two tankers. All in the name of "peace"?
The Obama-Kerry deal with Iran would only have lasted ten years at which point Iran was free to continue its quest to develop nuclear weapons.
And just where is Obama? Where is he hiding? He hasn't even sent a spokesmodel to speak for him.
extanker
This is Iran showing their true colors. Their government is a threat to the region whether people want to admit it or not.
bass4funk
Iran is just making mistake after mistake and with each one from being observed to confiscating the bombs they put on tankers to trying to take a tanker hostage is just showing their true intentions and as bad as the Deal was that was handed down from the previous administration doesn’t mean that Iran in taking this action will get its way, they won’t, Not now and never at this point.