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© Copyright 2024 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Iranian missiles in Russia are legitimate target, Ukrainian official says
By ILLIA NOVIKOV KYIV, Ukraine©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Underworld
Well, you won't mind when Ukraine uses foreign arms to blow these "non existent" missiles up, then...
ArtistAtLarge
Cry us a river, Russia.
fallaffel
There's only a problem if Ukraine can't use the weapons given to them to attack Russia. I think the ban will be lifted very soon for this reason.
theFu
You can't win a war if you only do defense. You must do offense too.
If Ukraine wants, they should hit trains and ships coming from Iran carrying weapons when they arrive in Russian ports. The most likely method is shipping across the Black Sea from Northern Iran to the Volga region of Russia, just east of Ukraine.
The only confirmed weapons sent from Iran to Russia are Shahed drones. Iran is denying involvement. Russia is not. Satellites will be watching docks in Iran and Russia for missile on-off loading. Missiles aren't tiny and need special trucks, so it is possible the trucks needed will be shipped too.
The EU says they have credible evidence. NATO isn't talking. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/9/russia-brands-iran-important-partner-amid-reports-of-missile-supplies
fallaffel
Simple answer is that it will help Ukraine protect itself better, and help Russian people understand what Ukrainian people have been experiencing. I don't care what was said by anyone, and going nuclear is just your imagination.
Unless you have a time machine, you can't know the impact that not having NATO weaponry would have had in Ukraine.
PTownsend
See Syria for another example of Iran and Russia being 'party to a conflict'. Fossil fuel financed nations, ld by fossils are warmongering vultures of a feather killing civilians together.
Underworld
Banthu
Russia is violating the UN Charter, namely Article 2(4)'s prohibition on the "use of force" against other states.
Nobody is being forced from their homes.
fallaffel
If a single Iranian or NK missile is used in Ukraine, then it should follow that it's fine to use any weapons given to Ukraine to attack anywhere in Russia.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Not by number of deaths and displaced from 2022-2024. Fact.
TaiwanIsNotChina
And funny how none of that is a legal justification for war, let alone theft of territory. Tanks were rolling only one way on Feb. 24th, 2022.
Underworld
JJE
Except that Russia isn't "friendly" and it is waging an illegal, imperialistic war of aggression against Ukraine. Foreign policy doesn't have morals, but it does have consequences.
Again. There are consequences... Putin is in enough trouble as it is...
fallaffel
Ukraine can't use Western long-range weapons to attack Russia yet (except in areas close to the border under some specific circumstances). This restriction might be lifted if the Iranian missiles are used by Russia.
TaiwanIsNotChina
There are are no missiles or bombers heading out of NATO countries at Russia. What's fair is Ukraine striking all of Russia and its assets.
I encourage Russia to do that and see what happens.
John
The factories that manufacture the missiles in Iran should be legitimate targets as well.
Underworld
Eastmann
Prove that they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqhu9DE6ggI
TaiwanIsNotChina
Land last annexed in 1898. Fact. And it's quite likely Russia has killed more people than the US has in the last 50 years.
Underworld
JJE
No land annexed by the US. Sorry.
PTownsend
Iran and Russia are countries led by fossil fuel titans that have been warmongering together keeping tensions high around the globe; they're joined by fellow axis of totalitarianism nations like North Korea and China, each doing what they can to further destabilize life on the planet.
Underworld
JJE
Nope. It applies to all members of the UN.
Moscow doesn't have a police action on their doorstep. They have a totally unprovoked, imperialistic war of aggression.
TaiwanIsNotChina
It's quite clear that missiles and bombers do not come out of NATO territory to attack Russia.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Tell it to the ICC. None of this would have happened without Russian criminality to start with.
I don't know what Zelenskyy's next move will be but Putin knows he won't be walking away from striking NATO.
TaiwanIsNotChina
It's Obama's war now? I guess you will try to sell anything.
Still Putin's war against the 100% UN recognized Ukrainian government and people.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The only lessons being taught are to Russian and Iranian citizens that trying to wipe countries off of the face of the earth is expensive for their own wellbeing.
TaiwanIsNotChina
65% percent support Zelenskyy at last check and I bet 90% still hate Russia more than Zelenksyy.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn007p39zdzo
That's a lot of women and children needing to be wiped out for Moscow to declare victory. Close enough.
Underworld
proxy
No, that's not the case.
Russia is a signatory to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), which means they cannot provide Iran with nuclear weapons.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Did they land in Ukraine first? Then tough cookies.
Aw, you poor babies. You don't always get to nuke the complete supply line of your victims.
Underworld
JJE
Russia is violating the UN Charter, namely Article 2(4)'s prohibition on the "use of force" against other states.
Russia is the aggressor here. Ukraine is not.
stormcrow
Or, for that matter, Iranian missiles in Iran are legitimate targets.
TaiwanIsNotChina
This is absolutely true. Bonus points if there are Iranian operators next to them.
WoodyLee
Anti weapons to Ukraine party won the majority of seats in Germany's local elections according to Mr. Scholz, he is calling on NATO and the west to find ways out of this war as EU nations are beginning to reject the pressure to keep supplying the war efforts.
proxy
@Underworld
Oh, what are they going to do, sanction Russia and issues an arrest warrant?
kurisupisu
Double speak at its best.
Apply the same logic and all of NATO becomes a legitimate target for Iran, Russia, China and North Korea etc.
Where are calls for deescalation?
RichardPearce
End the circle of lies gets closed, to form a fact impervious 'truth'.
And, of course, when Iran responds to the Israeli regime's barbaric acts, that it has top of the line missiles in quantity long after America's spinmeisters insist it is 'running out' will be 'explained' as them getting Russian missiles.
But the unreported (at least in SOME media) numbers show Russia is outproducing ALL of NATO in the weapons and ammunition being used in the war that started with the overthrow of the last democratically elected government a united peaceful Ukraine had, for less cost.
It doesn't need to 'buy artillery shells from North Korea' or 'buy drones/missiles from Iran', but the population of the White Bloc can't be allowed to see that the war Obama started is a losing war.
Because if it did, that population might want it's money spent on better causes (like domestic health care, the infrastructure needed to get off of fossil fuels, reversing the growth of the inequality gap) that are less efficient at transferring money from the pockets of ordinary taxpayers to the overflowing coffers of the 1%
ian
Because of strong suspicions? Lol only idiots will agree that's enough ground
JJE
A Washington ally annex's land regularly. Don't pretend to be so outraged by land annexations! Serbia lost territory too. Syria too.
Nothing unusual or unique is happening to Ukraine that hasn't happened to others.
nik
Western countries supply weapons to Ukraine, and eastern countries supply weapons to Russia. Everything is equal. And who will tell you the whole truth during combat operations, what is happening there and how things are going on the battlefield.
JJE
Read what was said - Ukraine uses NATO territory, including Reszow base in Poland, as a protected rear to stage its rear supplies.
And yes, there are missiles and bombers heading out of NATO territory to attack Russia. Quite literally the F16s are based in NATO territory for repair-standby deployment. Every munition - bullet, shell, missile and bomb - comes through NATO territory.
Attacking Russia's strategic depth will provoke a response. Yermak is pretending there are no consequences; there will be.
Kyiv-regime also knows they are toast and drawing NATO in is the only way out to preserve their power.
JJE
Oh, I see.
International law only applies to Ukraine and when the main sponsor declares as it suits them.
How convenient.
Iran has every right to support Moscow's police action on its doorstep.
TokyoLiving
The entire NATO circus of losers is supplying weapons to the kyiv regime, why the scream, drama and whining about a few missiles that Iran is giving to Russia??...
It's a war...
JJE
Yeah. Explain how, by theoretically providing weapons, Tehran suddenly becomes "party to the conflict".
Every other country declares they aren't.
JJE
No country is being 'wiped off the face of the earth'. They just intend to finish off the regime (the proxy).
The former is quite distinct from the latter and it is unhelpful to conflate the two.
RichardPearce
Are we sure these missiles aren't Brazilian or South African. Remember Nelson Mandela was a Russian backed terrorist, and the President of Brazil is. the next best thing to a communist dictator (according to the many of the people who insist Maduro wasn't democratically elected)
JJE
Obviously, someone meant the Caspian Sea.
Fath 360 (BM-120) launcher is basically a civilian truck, at least from outwards appearance.
If this is all true, this could give Russian forces some good short-range, guided hitting power, allowing them to prioritize Iskander and other platforms to prosecute longer range targets elsewhere.
The 64 dollar questions: is this all true, and, if so, will they make an appearance on the Donbass Front?
JJE
Tehran would be well advised to support Russia, especially right now. Helping Moscow finish off another US proxy because of Israel's flagrant provocations make perfectly logical sense. Tehran remembers how Zelensky came out with bells on for Israel last October. Assisting the disposal of that client regime just maybe jumped up the ladder in priority and it would certainly teach them a lesson.
JJE
Iran has every right to supply weapons to friendly Russia. Every other NATO country under the sun has been pumping arms into Ukraine - a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
Regardless, yet to see a shred of actual evidence of these alleged Iranian missiles, which one assumes may be the BM-120.
Yet again another false equivalency fed to us: Yermak sells it as a big ‘disadvantage’ that it is not allowed to strike Russia’s rear operational-strategic depth, yet Ukraine’s own rear depth lies in NATO territory, in Poland, Germany, Romania, etc. Russia does not strike those either, so it really is a fair game not a disadvantage. If Ukraine wants to strike Russia’s rear logistics, then so should Russia be able to strike Reszow base where Ukraine stages its own supplies - to keep things fair and honest.
proxy
My understanding is the US Joint Chiefs of Staff have an agreement with the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, in exchange for not providing permission for Ukraine to use missiles on Russia, Russia will not provide Iran with nuclear weapons.
The Ripper!
Is that how the world works?