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Praise the Lord. Tis about time to hand it over, if not completely but at least this is something than nothing. Finally something for the troops to look forward to, leaving that hell hole.

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Out-frigging-standing.

It's about time there was some talk about bringing our troops home from this trumped up war. < :-)

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The recent report from the GAO concluding that Iraq is likely to end the year with a $79 billion budget surplus (the report can be found at http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04902r.pdf) is likely to add to the pressure on the Bush administration to reduce the US presence in Iraq, because it shows that Iraq has more than enough resources to finance its own military, police and reconstruction.

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What about McCain's 100 year wish?

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Indeed taikan, it should outrage even the most die hard pro Iraq war fanatic that Iraq's coffers are rapidly filling up with oil profits while the U.S. continues to shoulder the heavy financial and military burden of helping this slow to get to its senses Iraqi government/"military." Many Americans are struggling to keep a roof over their head, get food for their kids, keep a job, yet the blind war supporters think Americans should continue to fund this insanity for decades to come.

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What about McCain's 100 year wish?

What about it? When you look at the context his 'plan' differs little from how we dealt with Germany, Korea and Japan.

We've been in Japan 60 plus years. Does that also bother you? Why remain if it does?

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Some other news from Iraq:

"Now this: Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr plans to announce Friday that he will disarm his Mahdi Army, which was raining mortars on Baghdad's Green Zone as recently as April. Coupled with the near-total defeat of al Qaeda in Iraq, this means the U.S. no longer faces any significant organized military foe in the country. It also marks a major setback for Iran, which had used the Mahdi Army as one of its primary vehicles for extending its influence in Iraq."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121797955889015047.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

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undecidedbout08 - So you advocate wasting $Trillions staying in Iraq as we have with Korea, Japan and Germany? Real smart.

Get the hell outy of Iraq.

Get the hell out of Japan.

Get the hell out of Germany.

Get the hell out of Korea.

Bring our troops and money home. Allow Iraq, Japan, Korea and Germany pay for their own protection.

Damn Halliburton's not going to like this. < :-)

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Looks like the civilian casualty count has reached a new low as well, down to 387 for July 2008. You can always tell when the civilian casualty number drops because Japan Today doesn't print a story about civilian casualties for that month.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25963742/

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And you can always tell a war supporter who still has no idea what s/he has done by supporting the war when s/he sounds proud of him/herself by pointing out that casualty counts are "down to 387" without also pointing out that there would have been be no war related deaths in the first place had Iraq not been needlessly invaded in the first place.

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SushiSake3,

Iraq did need to be invaded. They changed their oil trade currency from dollars to Euros. Then Iran did it, the North Korea did it, The US was gonna go down the tubes over night if that trend continued. So there you have the axis of evil. Those that refuse to use the dollar as their underlying currency and look what happens if you refuse. You get a public spanking, sanctions etc.

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I'm glad we're trying to get the hell out of Iraq. We went into there under false claims and it's about time we got the hell out. It was reported today that Iraq has a budget surplus of $80Billion and we're paying for reconstruction.

george bush wanted to stay in Iraq in an effort to steal Iraqi oil.

Then we have posters that advocate starting wars to steal natural resourses.

It's their damn oil. Not ours.

romulas3, you advocate stealing their oil. That's absolutely no different than somebody breaking in your house and stealing stuff that belongs to you because you want it.

Please tell me about all the North Korean oil that is now selling for euros. When did the North Koreans start drilling and refining their own oil. Part of the nuke deal was suppling North Korea with oil. < :-)

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adaydream:

Out-frigging-standing. It's about time there was some talk about bringing our troops home from this trumped up war. < :-)

Where have you been all this time?

undecidedbout08 - So you advocate wasting $Trillions staying in Iraq as we have with Korea, Japan and Germany?

Trillions? You must have the Iraq budget confused with the welfare program budget.

I've been syaing for a while now that the subject of Iraq was going to be a moot point before the U.S. election ended, and guess what - I was right! The troops have already been coming home; they've been below pre-surge levels for a while now. And it wasn't Obama or Pelosi that presided over this, it was the Bush administration. Not that the BDS leftists will ever give him credit...

Still, the earliest the combat troops will be there another two years, and it will be another five years before the support troops are out too.

Now if Iran would just pull out its men and weapons...

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They are home because they couldn't keep those numbers up there because we don't have the troops. It was known before they ever went that the surge numbers could only be sustained for a very limited time. This isn't new. It's old information.

Yes trillions. Who the hell pays the wages for troops staying in Korea, Japan and Germany. We do. It's our tax dollars. Yes Trillions. Do you think that we couls sustain troops in Japan for 60 years, in Korea foir 50 years and Germany another 60 years and those countries paid all the cost? B/S US tax payers dollars have been paying this all along.

But I assume you like McCain's idea and stay there for, hell 100 years if needed. And who makes this decision, the US? Maybe John McCain?

Even if they are there for 5 years, that'll just break Halliburton's heart. < :-)

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Sushi: without also pointing out that there would have been be no war related deaths in the first place had Iraq not been needlessly invaded in the first place.

We know you prefer the Saddam related deaths which were exponentially higher, but I'm sorry to say that those days are gone and they aren't coming back. And the US isn't leaving tomorrow so you won't be getting your civil war that you lobbied for under the mask of "Americans don't care about Americans."

So no more months of much higher death tolls under Saddam, and little to no chance of civil war in Iraq. Sorry Sushi....looks like Iraq just isn't turning out as you'd hoped.

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Since the US attacked a virtually defenseless country we have murdered several hundred thousand, depending on who's counting. We've seen counts up to 500,000 by some accounts.

Then there was the 2.5 million that fled the country.

Then there is the 4100 + Americans who died for george bush's lies.

We've destroyed the infrastructure of Iraq.

But SuperLib, you're satisfied with killing innocent civilians for their oil. Ha Ha!! Iraq took back all those oil contracts that the US gave out.

Bring the troops home. Too mush death and destruction for george bush and dick cheney's personal interest.

I'll be glad when the troops are all home. < :-)

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Let us all never overlook, or forgive and forget, that all of this insanity could have been prevented (insurgency, civilian/military deaths, etc.) had the Bush administration and Bush himself treated the post invasion occupation with the seriousness it deserved. Let the die hard pro war supporters crow over how great things are now. Fine, it's great our troops can finally look forward to leaving this insanity. But never let anyone forget how many lives and pain and suffering were caused by the Bush administration treating post occupation like a joke.

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daydream: Yes trillions. Who the hell pays the wages for troops staying in Korea, Japan and Germany. We do.

I think daydream is confusing "bring our troops home" with "bring our troops home and then fire them." Either that or he thinks the US doesn't have to pay a salary to troops who are currently in the US...?

I dunno...either way it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. George Bush must have really screwed him up. I blame him.

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People need to take a really hard look at whether Sen. McCain and the war supporters are patriotic.

It's a bit of a side issue, I know, but let's face it - the main plank of Sen. McCain's election campaigns seems to be to stay in Iraq until the job is done.

Doing so will benefit Iraqis.

Yet he represents, and (in someone's fantasies) will be elected by, Americans.

All the while his Iraq policies will drain financial and physical resources away from Americans and into Iraq.

For the benefit of Iraqis, not Americans.

So my question is this - who exactly, do Sen. McCain and the war supporters actually support?

It's clear as day they don't support Americans otherwise why are they so fiercely determined to support John McCain's policies that only help and aid Iraqis?

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It's hilarious to watch people like Superlib trumpet on about how things appear to be working all the way over there in Iraq, whereas back home Stateside, things are tanking real badly.

Trees. Forest. Can't see the trees syndrome.

"So no more months of much higher death tolls under Saddam, and little to no chance of civil war in Iraq. Sorry Sushi....looks like Iraq just isn't turning out as you'd hoped."

But Superlib, should the US pull out of Iraq as Obama, the Iraqi president and parliament and the majority of your Congress and countrymen who you are on the wrong side of want, then what guarantee is there there will be no civil war?

Your support helped start this mess, and you are powerless to stop it.

You are grasping at non-existant straws while you watch your beloved plan of an illegal occupation slowly evaporate before your unblinking eyes.

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rjd - "Let us all never overlook, or forgive and forget, that all of this insanity could have been prevented had the Bush administration and Bush himself treated the post invasion occupation with the seriousness it deserved."

I thought you were going to say had the Bush Administration not invaded in the first place.

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"Iraq says it is close to deal on U.S. troop withdrawal"

I feel sorry for Bush and his loyal war supporters. This news is something they have been fighting tooth and nail to prevent.

The game plan - whether they have realized it or not- is to enrich Halliburton, defence companies, Iraq and Iraqis to the detriment of America and Americans.

Looks like Obama is going to get his way and do some good for Americans - won't that be a change! :-)

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Never happen, too much oil at stake. Plus Iran's nuke program isn't slowing down.

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"after the rise in world oil prices flooded the country with petrodollars"

So the Iraqis can start paying us back for all the billions we've spent there, right?

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Sarge, probably not going to happen.

The US taxpayer will be taken for yet another ride.

Why do you still support this? That's what I want to know.

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It never would have happened if not for the Democrats. Thank goodness the Democrats got the U.S. troops home. Too bad the Republicans killed so many boys needlessly in a war that never should have taken place.

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adaydream:

george bush wanted to stay in Iraq in an effort to steal Iraqi oil.

Then how come it's still their oil? You should think your points through before presenting them.

They are home because they couldn't keep those numbers up there because we don't have the troops. It was known before they ever went that the surge numbers could only be sustained for a very limited time. This isn't new. It's old information.

Excuse me. Troop numbers are below pre-surge levels. There, hope that helps.

Yes trillions. Who the hell pays the wages for troops staying in Korea, Japan and Germany. We do. It's our tax dollars. Yes Trillions. Do you think that we couls sustain troops in Japan for 60 years, in Korea foir 50 years and Germany another 60 years and those countries paid all the cost? B/S US tax payers dollars have been paying this all along.

Are you a taxpayer? If you are, how come you're not complaining about the trillions spent on welfare and entitlement programs for the fat and lazy right here in America? As a taxpayer, I can at least realize that when we spend money on troops, we at least get something good for that money. We don't get jack from the welfare recipients. Well, nothing good anyway.

But I assume you like McCain's idea and stay there for, hell 100 years if needed. And who makes this decision, the US? Maybe John McCain?

It's just like you to keep taking someone's words out of context, long after being proven wrong.

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I would have SushiSake, but I found the best way to combat the blind pro war supporters is to not mention that fact. Obviously if the invasion didn't take place, this mess would never have happened. But it happened, and the pro war crowd will never accept that fact by saying the U.S. still liberated them, etc. etc. So what one has to do to combat this ignorance is by accepting that it happened, but criticize the way they handled the post occupation.

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So what one has to do to combat this ignorance is by accepting that it happened, but criticize the way they handled the post occupation.

And deny that they corrected that by the surge.

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Sail - Help a few thousand people in Iraq while wiping out trillions in Fed money back home, which will affect Americans for decades in higher interest rates, lower savings, lower benefits, higher mortgage rates, slashed spending for heathcare, education, Social Security, you name it..

Yeah, the "surge" worked all right.....

Big deal and real bad luck you supported it in the first place.

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Big deal and real bad luck you supported it in the first place.

If I didn't the headline wouldn't read as it does.

Iraq says it is close to deal on U.S. troop withdrawal

I don't even want to imagine the headline you would have liked to be seen here instead of this one if the surge never happened.

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Undecided - in English, please?

And by the way, I think you are confusing "arrogance" with "patriotism."

But I'm not surprised :-)

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Try this for a headline I would have liked: "More than a million Iraqis not killed and 4.25 million Iraqis not displaced thanks to aborted U.S. invasion."

We invaded get over it......We came damn near to losing after we invaded because Bush and Co didn't have a clue, I accept that as do most rational people. I can't change that and neither can you, and to keep going back to we shouldn't invaded is mute now. The issue now is pure and simple we have a policy that is working now and to not support it or deny it's obvious success is asinine. Iraq is standing up and we are starting to stand down.......Thanks to the surge and to the troops on the ground. The same troops that don't really give a hoot about your opinion but just want to finish the mission so they go home, and that is starting to look sooner now.

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Sail - "Iraq is standing up and we are starting to stand down.......Thanks to the surge and to the troops on the ground."

You really think so?

Do you really think that when US troops pull out, that everything will be sunny and that Iraqis will be holding tea parties and planting flowers in the streets?

Excuse the exaggeration, but if you think anything close to that is going to unfold, you're really not living in reality, not even close.

Sail - "We invaded get over it......"

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions have been unnecessarily killed and millions displaced, livelihoods, communities and cities walled in and destroyed - what do you recommend I do ?

Just "get over it......"?

Sheesh, no surprises there why Americans are one of the most despised cultures on the planet...

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Hundreds of thousands, if not millions have been unnecessarily killed

As you so often ask on the Iran threads - got proof?

Nothing highlights the int'l Left's hypocrisy on Iraq more than the constant barrage of wildly inflated casualty figures.

You never cite Iraqi sources.

Because in truth the people whose sovereignty and rights you claim to champion actually mean nothing to you.

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rjd_jr:

Obviously if the invasion didn't take place, this mess would never have happened.

So, can you tell me exactly what would have happened if Saddam and is sons hadn't been removed from power? Are you actually going to claim that Saddam wouldn't have helped any anti-U.S. terrorist groups?

The one fact that the anti-Bush, anti-liberation armchair Maoists can't bring themselves to accept is that the troops are leaving Iraq because the country was liberated and is being stabilized under Bush's watch.

Now if he would've just secured our own borders... :(

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The NeoCons on this thread forgot to add an accomplishment of the war. We now have in the history books that the U.S. military invaded a country without provocation towards the United States or any other country on the pretext of a preemtive strike with weapons that did not exist. The NeoCons have cast shame on my United States!

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Talk of timetables is a good thing. It points to success. Why has it taken so long? Religious "differences" and the cancer of terrorism. Let's put the blame where it belongs.

As usual, the US does what the UN lacks the guts to do. The world goes into spasms of outrage. But I imagine that most are secretly relieved that sharia law isn't coming to their neighborhood--at least not anytime soon.

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undecided - "Nothing highlights the int'l Left's hypocrisy on Iraq more than the constant barrage of wildly inflated casualty figures."

You're grasping at straws, adn I can understand why.

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Whitehawk - "So, can you tell me exactly what would have happened if Saddam and is sons hadn't been removed from power? Are you actually going to claim that Saddam wouldn't have helped any anti-U.S. terrorist groups?"

After a decade of sanctions? They didn't even have enough medicine to stop babies dying from simple, easy-to-cure illnesses.

Stop buying into the fear-mongering.

Moderator: Readers, please stay on topic. Saddam is not relevant to this discussion.

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jimenezsnyder - "But I imagine that most are secretly relieved that sharia law isn't coming to their neighborhood."

That's nothing more than breathless, wild-eyed hype, I'm afraid and will be treated with the contempt it deserves.

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two words: glass crater.

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