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I'm going to go party tonight for Muntadhar al-Zeidi birthday, also. He had the opportunity and the cajones to express his discontent at george bush.

Happy birthday Muntadhar al-Zeidi. < :-)

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So, we've... uh... liberated Iraq so they can act like this, huh? Wow, sure seems like a worthy venture to me (rolls eyes).

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Seems to me the shoe throwing should be more directed at Al Qaeda for the wave of suicide bombings that have killed thousands, the Sunnies and Shiites who simply cant get along thus fanning the cycle of violence.

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I only feel sorry that the shoes didn't hit George's face.

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yeah seems that people are all over the place when it comes to freedom and rights. pretty disgusting.

I think we would see our own reporters act in such a way. yeah right. Some of you are really like a little child that was not taught respect just like this guy in jail for assulting a world leader, like it or not a leader of the Strongest country in the world. :-)

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If you are going to support a guy for throwing something at a head of state, I wonder how you are going to react to any back talk to Obama....

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Impossible. From what I've read this guy was tortured, had broken bones, etc. Doesn't everyone remember the outrage? ;)

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From what I've read this guy was tortured, had broken bones, etc. Doesn't everyone remember the outrage?" I hope its not true. While an arrest, and perhaps a jail sentence is warranted, I don't think anything beyond that is deserved. Hopefully, next time he just shouts his anger and leaves it at that.

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who has gained cult status for his bizarre protest

The only thing bizarre thing about this are reporters calling this bizarre. First, you got expect that maybe one or two Iraqis are unhappy with Bush. Second, throwing a shoe is considered one of the strongest acts of contempt in Iraq - I suppose killing someone would be the strongest act.

What is bizarre is how some in the media and many posters buy into the "Innocent George" hagiography as if to protect him from the taint of war. He gets to play C'nC, but really does not have to take responsibility.

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TonyUS: "Some of you are really like a little child that was not taught respect just like this guy in jail for assulting a world leader, like it or not a leader of the Strongest country in the world. :-)"

Sorry, amigo, but while the US is literally (not figuratively by any means) the strongest country in the world by military force and weaponry, it does not entitle the leader -- in this case, GWB -- to automatic respect. Perhaps in the beginning of a president or leader's term they deserve SOME respect, but after that, if they flaunt and/or abuse it, they should be respected no more solely on the basis of their position.

It's like your average yahoo in Japan who comes here to teach English, say; he or she does not automatically deserve respect (even though the Japanese may give it) simply because he or she is technically the 'teacher' in the relationship (often without the credentials).

As such, GWB deserves ZERO respect, be it from fellow Americans or a country he helped more or less raze to the ground. Let bush do a lot of good things after retirement and he might gain some of the respect he SHOULD HAVE had if he did a good job (which he didn't), but until then he deserves nothing but a few more shoes as goodbyes.

Happy birthday, Muntadhar al-Zeidi; you are supported by nearly everyone in the world who knows your story.

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Good work! Keep it up. America invaded this country killing thousands of people in the name of democracy. Then a man uses this newly found democracy and gets jailed for it and has his rights taken away. Yeah he did something silly but what if a US citizen did it?? They would get a small slap on the wrist and it would be forgotten about.

Great work America! Invade people in the name of freedom. But only freedom for Americans not for anyone else.

Look at the world economy now. The world is changing. America is not on top anymore. Payback may not be so pleasant 20 or 30 years into the future, all these countries that have suffered over the last 60 years.

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Many JT posters can celebrate his birthday too. Wonder if Smitty's going to have a beer for him too. Oops! he must be muslim. Can't have a drink on him. Better to go and pray somewhere for the destruction of the Great Satan.

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Very appropriate.

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Happy birthday Muntadhar al-Zeidi. Your essentially non-violent protest spoke for millions.

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bushlover: "Wonder if Smitty's going to have a beer for him too. Oops! he must be muslim. Can't have a drink on him. Better to go and pray somewhere for the destruction of the Great Satan."

Hahaha... just riles you guys up that the man did what he did and is a hero, even in 'freedumized' Iraq.

Oh, and not sure if you know this, but just because someone doesn't like GWB does not make them a Muslim, nor does being a Muslim make one predisposed to disliking bush. It's quite sad, really, your inability to distinguish reality from gross generalizations; but then, you still support the man who got the shoes thrown at him, so no big surprise.

Sure, I'll have a beer on him later tonight.

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Wasn't the shoe-thrower supposed to be dead by now? I read he couldn't walk on his own. All the dark rumination about what Bush was going to have done to brave Muntadhar al-Zeidi, were we misled?

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But wazzademcrat, The good people and government don't go any lower than waterboarding to get intel. This kind of 'payback' is only typical of lower cultures.

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bushlover: "I'm not riled at all."

Hahaha... yeah, doesn't seem that way at all (nudge nudge)

"I can see you standing up for this kind of assault on a world leader whether you like him or not as you are a hypocrite supreme..."

Nope, not riled up one bit!

"... when it come to rule of law and anything that has to do with the USA your great satan."

Not sure why you keep thinking the USA is the great Satan, because I certainly don't. I like the USA, as a matter of fact. There are many points about the culture in general I disagree with, such as private handgun ownership, and there are certainly individuals amongst American society I don't care for or outright dislike, but as a whole I think it's a good country with amazing potential (especially with Obama taking the reigns). Again, though, people like you who often generalize can really only think on the simplest of levels and see in less than black and white. I wouldn't expect, therefore, for you to see someone who doesn't like bush as thinking of the USA as anything other than 'the great Satan', as you call it.

"Now if it were on you who someone threw a shoe at, you'd be screaming bloody murder..."

How do you possibly know what I'd be doing? As a matter of fact, I've never had a shoe thrown at me in my life, and probably will not as I don't deserve to. IF, however, someone did, I doubt I would scream 'bloody murder', as you say, at all. If I deserved it I might even simply take it like a man and simply call it even (again, if somehow deserved). Depending on my mood I might take it like a child and throw my shoes back at the attacker. All I know is that you have no idea what I would do in such a hypothetical situation.

"...and your only a liberal English Teacher in Japan"

Actually, I'm not an English teacher at all. I have taught a number of private lessons in my time for some extra scratch, but I happen to have my own small company here that is not involved in the world of English. Yes, I do happen to also have a pretty good lexicon and grasp of grammar, etc., but I consider that as being only natural given that it's my native tongue.

But again, as with all your other generalizations, I guess it's not surprising for you to assume that a foreigner in Japan can only be an English teacher (you don't even assume a person can be a general LANGUAGE teacher!).

Anyway, bushlover, continue all you like with your riled up rants and hand shaking; the fact of the matter is that you are among two posters on this thread (perhaps more now) who is deluded into thinking bush should be automatically respected because of his position, and that as such this man is automatically a terrorist, etc. etc. and you probably even think he deserved the torture he got (I won't assume, as you do). The rest of the posters are all congratulating the man and wishing him well.

Oh, and you CAN have a beer on someone even if they don't drink, you know. Someone who does so need not consider themselves drinking it in his stead, but rather toasting his bravado.

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This shoe thrower is a total moron and deserves everything he gets. Imagine being there as a journalist and then to use the occasion to vent some personal feelings in such a dramatic way.

He is obviously a crappy journalist lacking the ability to use the pen as a way of expressing himself. If he had hoped to gain any fame then he has certainly done so as an international idiot now facing some serous jail time.

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Everton2: "If he had hoped to gain any fame then he has certainly done so as an international idiot now facing some serous jail time."

You're right about the jail time, but in all fairness he's regarded far more as a hero world-wide than as an international idiot. In fact, I would bet money that a very small number of people regard him as an idiot, while MILLIONS regard him as very brave, and wish they could do the same thing themselves.

"This shoe thrower is a total moron and deserves everything he gets."

Including the torture, and broken bones that even SuperLib acknowledged? (sarcastically, but all the same). But I thought you guys believed in a new and democratic Iraq -- not the one of torture under Saddam's regime! in fact, the only reason this guy is living is probably because he got so much fame that killing him would put the fledgling Iraqi government on an even swifter tumble back into the 'old Iraq'. Hell, they're STILL not giving the man access to his lawyer!

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No No Mr. Smith, they would never kill this guy. waterboard maybe but not kill. They can't kill as now they have been civilized. A little duress and waterboarding never killed anyone. I wonder how you are privy to such detailed information about him and his lawyer and such or is this just consistent with your believe any conspiracy as long as it goes along with your demonizing those who have differing opinions of yours?

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What a story, the next move will be a sponsorship with a leading footwear manufacturer. What about new products that combine the comfort of a shoe with the hitting power of a (thrown) boomerang. This guy could be the pitchman for Nike or Adidas.

Moreover, before criticising his actions, just think that this craze could catch on in the American heartland. County Shows could be less about throwing baseballs (and winning a prize), and more about throwing shoes at effigies of a certain soon-to-be-former president and winning an all expenses paid trip to Gitmo on a beat-up terrorism charge. Let's face it, with the prisoners currently held there coming to the US for trial, occupancy rates at the Gitmo Hilton are going down. As such, some reason for keeping the facility open has to be found.

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bushover: "A little duress and waterboarding never killed anyone"

True, but torture is torture, and not quite the picnic your tone makes it out to be.

"I wonder how you are privy to such detailed information about him and his lawyer and such..."

Actually, bushlover, everyone that takes a minute or two to actually read what they are commenting on is privvy to the info., since it's in the article above as in others. I'll post a short summary of the lawyer-client relationship for you, though.

(from article) "Muntadhar al-Zeidi, who has gained cult status for his bizarre protest, is in good shape but has been denied access to his lawyer..."

(you) "...or is this just consistent with your believe any conspiracy as long as it goes along with your demonizing those who have differing opinions of yours?"

I don't demonize people who have different viewpoints with me at all, and enjoy carrying out good debate with those that are rational, regardless of their political orientation on the current topic. I'm sorry you feel demonized, though.

And I'm fully aware they are not going to kill the man; as I said, it would cost them FAR too much, politically, to do so. However he was still beaten and tortured (again, refer to this article, among others), which goes against the wonderful and free-from-tyrants-like-Saddam picture so many Iraq war supporters paint the current Iraq to be.

This guy broke the law, so he deserves to go to jail for a time. He did not, however, deserve to go to the hospital and/or be tortured, first.

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timor: "What a story, the next move will be a sponsorship with a leading footwear manufacturer. What about new products that combine the comfort of a shoe with the hitting power of a (thrown) boomerang. This guy could be the pitchman for Nike or Adidas."

I fully believe that you are right in stating that such items would be an instant success... they would!

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Actually Smith [ Allegations remain assertions without proof, until they can be proved.] you cannot speak so definitely as the definition of allegation still renders you assumptions of guilt as mere speculations. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? You always call for it when referring to your mates in Gitmo. But when it's not in your favor you really like to assume everyone is dumb enough to believe what you say is written in stone as gospel. A true pathetic liberal progressive with an agenda. You only make a fool of yourself here. I really miss your hate filled posts when referring to the USA and GWB. Those are entertaining and expose you as the America hater you are. Your toned down posts are getting well ... a little boring. I used to have better abs with your old posts. This Obama term will definitely not give me better abs. Have a nice shoe.

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January 11th - 20,000 Pro-Hamas rioters in London, shouting 'Allahu Akhbar', destroying private property and chasing off terrified British cops, recently filled Downing Street with thrown shoes.

Al-Zeidi is an embarrassment to moderate Arabs.

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Seems to me the shoe throwing should be more directed at Al Qaeda for the wave of suicide bombings that have killed thousands, the Sunnies and Shiites who simply cant get along thus fanning the cycle of violence.

Osama bin Laden was not present. However, the man that opened the door to his pack of murderers was on hand.

after he hurled his shoes, forcing Bush to duck for cover.

Who writes this crap? Bush ducked. He did not duck "for cover".

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Defense lawyer Dhia al-Saadi said it was a matter of freedom of expression.

This guy must be the dumbest lawyer ever.

“Al-Zeidi’s act was symbolic and in no way was it a murder attempt,” he said, adding that he had been allowed to meet his client only once.

Glad to see that Iraq now has freedumb and democracy.

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"So for him it does not matter for how long he would be imprisoned,” his brother said, “because the important thing is that he restored the honor of the Iraqi people.”

Amen to that, and you have done it, my friend.

bushlover: " But when it's not in your favor you really like to assume everyone is dumb enough to believe what you say is written in stone as gospel... ...I really miss your hate filled posts when referring to the USA and GWB. Those are entertaining and expose you as the America hater you are."

I see only one person on this thread going on about 'America hater', and that's you, amigo. I haven't said a single thing about the US in a negative light on this thread. On bush? definitely, as has nearly EVERYONE else. What's more, I never said what I write is gospel, but I appreciate the sentiment, thank you.

The man threw a shoe at bush, and Iraqis support him for it. What's more, around the world the man is a hero. Call that 'liberal' and 'pathetic with an agenda' or whatever you will, when you, sarge, sailwind, and but to or three others are the only people who hate the man, well... you really have to wonder whom the true fool is.

"Have a nice shoe."

It'd be nicer if bush were in front of me... unlike Al-Zeida I wouldn't miss.

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An Iraqi journalist, shill for a foreign (Egyptian) TV network, throws a shoe at the president of Iraq and the president of its most powerful ally. A couple of weeks later it is revealed he was in fact not seriously injured and now awaits a trial, with a bright future at Al Jazeera upon his release from jail or his suspended sentence.

Don't think that the significance of this is lost on ordinary Syrians, Iranians, Egyptians and the others in the region who yearn for what frivolous, sneering Western leftists call "freedumb."

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It'd be nicer if bush were in front of me... unlike Al-Zeida I wouldn't miss.

That is not fair old buddy. Al-Zeidi's aim was dead on. He did not miss. Bush (unfortunately) moved.

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Wasn't the shoe-thrower supposed to be dead by now? I read he couldn't walk on his own. All the dark rumination about what Bush was going to have done to brave Muntadhar al-Zeidi, were we misled?

There were fears and worries that he had been tortured. Maybe you did not get the memo, but there are hold-overs from the Saddam era out there. And the other memo, the one about Abu Graib, the one that told us that Iraq was not quite what it should be, even when we were in control.

But I have not seen him on video since mid-December. And of all his family and friends, I keep only hearing from this brother. I still entertain some doubt.

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Muntadhar al-Zeidi actually feared he would be killed by guards after throwing his shoes and read his last prayers before going to the news conference, his brother said.

Well, if that is true, that answers the question of whether it was pre-meditated or not.

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I'm glad he had a party, he should be released and given a reward for what he done.

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too bad he missed

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I wish he was a better shot

He could not have been better. What I wish is that GWB had a stiffer back!

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Democracy at it's worst. A Texan politician drops bombs on children and babies whilst waging a false war on 'weapons of mass destruction', not to mention the cost to thousands of young American lives, and gets to fly out of his job this week in a shiny helicopter. A journalist shows his emotion of the destruction of his country by throwing his shoes at said politician and gets imprisoned with a threat of 15 years in jail. And George Bush wanted all of us to be on his side ?

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northlondon, nicely put.

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"And George Bush wanted all of us to be on his side ?"

Bush isn't dealing with the matter. The administration he installed are.

"A journalist shows his emotion"

Journalists aren't supposed to do that. Even the one's on the, heh, radical left.

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Yeah try flinging your shoe at him in the states and see where you wind up, how gental the secret service is with you, and your right to a speedy trial.

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Journalists aren't supposed to do that. Even the one's on the, heh, radical left.

I think you may be confusing your left with your right my friend. I imagine that someone who cares enough for his homeland to throw his shoes at the prez of the old us is probably a lot more right than left. I think there is a misconception by defenders of Georgie II that anyone who stands up to them is automatically the radical left. A complete misconception, as this guy is definitely a patriot (of Iraq that is. America is not the only country with 'patriots').

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"A complete misconception"

Is that like calling the Israeli offensive in Gaza "genocide"?

;)

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A couple of weeks later it is revealed he was in fact not seriously injured and now awaits a trial, with a bright future at Al Jazeera upon his release from jail or his suspended sentence.

Well, if ya balance that out by watching Joe the Plumber (turned journalist) over at the pajamas network you should be able to get both sides.

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The guy who lowered himself to shoe throwing level is just as bad as those he condemns. A hurled shoe to the temple region could have killed Bush. The guy was reckless, and no doubt if he could have bought a gun in, he would have fired that. No doubt. No party for him. The cake should have been thrown forced into his face.

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A hurled shoe to the temple region could have killed Bush.

Ah,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !! Yeah right, he was a second dan in the art of Shudo.

no doubt if he could have bought a gun in, he would have fired that. No doubt.

Are you what they call one of those shoestring detectives..?

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Madverts: Is that like calling the Israeli offensive in Gaza "genocide"?"

Not that it has anything to do with the thread, but no, it's nothing alike, save that both are somewhat foolhardy comparisons.

bobbafett: "The guy who lowered himself to shoe throwing level is just as bad as those he condemns."

I'll tell you what; if you admit to me that you are against waterboarding and torture of terrorists, then I'll believe you are really concerned about this man lowering himself to the level of those he condemns -- in other words, him being as bad as bush is. If you can't admit that, then why should we even begin to take your argument with anything but a bucket of salt?

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The guy was reckless, and no doubt if he could have bought a gun in, he would have fired that. No doubt.

...or a killer whale in his back pocket, or a runaway truck in his briefcase, or a grand piano placed on the roof. How ridiculous.

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"The guy was reckless, and no doubt if he could have bought a gun in, he would have fired that."

If it had happened in US territory, then, I guess bush would be toast. Err... that's more a gun-control issue than anything else, sorry, just hope the same people who post such crap realize if this guy also had the right to bear arms and met bush... well...

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"too bad he missed"

Too bad he lost his temper and has lost his freedom.

"A Texan politician drops bombs on children and babies"

Or, a Texan politician liberates two countries.

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The guy was reckless, and no doubt if he could have bought a gun in, he would have fired that.

You know, they have these new things, you may have seen one at an airport, that can detect if someone is carrying a large metal object on their person.

They also have these new-fangled crazy devices that allow you to see through people's clothes and even their skin to see if there is anything on their person that should not be allowed in a building, airport, or where ever.

If only they would have had some TSA guys there to keep shoes out. I'm guessing there were no doughnuts on hand.

Taka

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"A Texan politician drops bombs on children and babies"

Or, a Texan politician liberates two countries.

Ah yes, the good old US military psychology. As long as we can 'liberate' two countries (I take it the second country being liberated is the US) then killing children and babies in the process is all worth it. Along with thousands of good young American lives. And for what ? A personal crusade against Saddam and a guilty anger that Bush didn't pick up qualified intelligence that was warning him about 9/11. Yes he had real red-faced embarrassment over that one slipping by. I've also served my Army time Sargeant. Which means I've also seen what a General Purpose Machine Gun can do to a human being. The difference being that you seem to rejoice in it. These kids didn't die like in a John Wayne movie with instant death you know. It sometimes takes hours for them to pass away, bleeding to death with lumps of shrapnel embedded in their bodies and body parts blown off. And you boast about how this liberates countries ?

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"These kids didn't die like in a John Wayne movie"

I'm aware of that. Are you aware that these kids were suffering badly under Saddam Hussein?

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I am aware of that Sarge. But like George Bush gave a shit. He didn't invade Iraq to liberate the children. Bush invaded because he completely missed the intelligence warning before 9/11. It was his get out of jail card.

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Ah,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !! Yeah right, he was a second dan in the art of Shudo.

OK, you volunteer to have an Iraqi hurl a size 10 at your head. I bet Bush moves faster than you.

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OK, you volunteer to have an Iraqi hurl a size 10 at your head. I bet Bush moves faster than you.

But I hadn't ruined their country so why would he have any reason to hurl a size 10 at my head ??

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Ask the kurds.

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bobafett: "I am not against any type of treatment against those who are terrorists. If you want to take them an extra blanket its up to you, but Bobba will never be in line with you. I am sure Mohamed Atta will be proud of your good will to terrorists."

Let me correct your misuse of English; "I am not against any type of treatment against those whom I THINK ARE TERRORISTS....", you know, since you have ZERO proof of them being terrorists.

You currently rank amongst one of the most pathetic posters on this site. Please change your name.... I have fond memories of the name bobbafett from childhood -- you make the name sound like starwars one, where the guy gets killed IMMEDIEATLY. Anyway, fell free to actually learn something, my friend. OH, and I mean something good.

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I may disagree with him but I will completely defend his protest. The proper answer to this type of incident is a slap on the wrist. Nobody was hurt and while he caused a bit of a scare, that is no reason to threaten him with the sort of penalties he is being charged with nor denying him access to a lawyer. To do these things makes a mockery of whatever good we hope to have done. An environment where you can feel safe protesting should be encouraged, if not particularly shoe throwing. I hope he is released soon with time served.

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Any one who assults a president of a country need punished, That is even if Kim Jong Il was to come to the US. anyone going to throw something at him, A US reporter? If so they also should be punished and I am sure they would.

I see some of these responses just down right stupid when it comes to an attack against a world leader. Hey I hate Hu of China with the deapest of feelings, but attack him as a reporter, I think not, those that support such an act would be seen as a disrespectful citizen of their country.

I never liked Bush but one thing for sure, the lives lost in freeing Iraq holds some value, if not to those that hate Bush, then it is too bad, especially for those that are from the US, you need your values re-set.

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And now his sympathizers throw their shoes at images of Obama and Mubarak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVSlVaxfZlA

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TonyUS: "Any one who assults a president of a country need punished,"

Well... I agree and disagree. You see, I would remove 'world leader' and simply substitute it with 'person', as in "anyone who assaults someone else deserves punishment". I don't believe they deserve MORE punishment because said person is a supposed leader.

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well smith you have your opinion, but in the real world usually that is not the case.

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The guy who lowered himself to shoe throwing level is just as bad as those he condemns.

Throwing a shoe in the hopes of hitting a piece of scum and putting a picturesque lump on his head is on the same level as ordering bombs to be dropped on a country in the certainty of killing and maiming hundreds of thousands and leaving behind a legacy of DU dust mixed in the desert sands for the next thousand years? You need to take a sensible pill.

Are you aware that these kids were suffering badly under Saddam Hussein?

You mean it's much better now that they aren't suffering at all because they're no longer alive?

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Maybe now that Bush is retiring – he could get a circus job atop the water tank – and people could throw their shoes. Heck, if I dug a bit I am sure my closet could supply ample opportunities to show the world what I think of him.

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Did they have a cake in the shape of a shoe?

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"Muntadhar al-Zeidi actually feared he would be killed by guards after throwing his shoes and read his last prayers"

What an interesting revelation... seems that President Bush has a helluva lot more admiration and respect in Iraq then many of you care to admit.

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Muntadhar the brave shoe-thrower seeking asylum in Switzerland.

Funny how little interest the media shows now...

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,24932325-2703,00.html

January 19, 2009

Article from: Agence France-Presse

"Once settled in Geneva, the bachelor without children could "very well work as a journalist at the United Nations'' which has its European headquarters here, Poggia said."

And he'll still be on the same side as al-Sadr and the militants.

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Muntadhar the brave shoe-thrower seeking asylum in Switzerland.

They're waiving the swimming test, then?

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