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Israeli defense chief resists pressure to halt Gaza offensive, says campaign will 'take time'

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How to end this despicable mass killing?

The world needs to boycott Israel.

The only way for this violence to stop is to sanction Israel.

Oil producing nations need to take the lead.

Trade needs to stop.

Financial pain is the only way to cure the Israeli government’s insanity!

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Yoav Gallant, a member of Israel’s three-man war cabinet, remained unswayed by a growing chorus of criticism

of course he does. They have to remove their ‘Palestinian problem’ and move their settlers into the rubble left behind.

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Are we to go through this every single day. The back and forth between the two radically different sides and mindsets. Both to which the other side KNOWS it to be either dim witted or deplorable.

Very well.

Israel, do what must be done. Smash Hamas into the dustbin of history and free the Palestinian people from their evil clutches once and for all. Death and hatred is the only language they speak and understand . They dig down into the earth with their tunnels , stealing the international aid and sacrifice their own people. The instinct to dig down is also instinctive, because they know they are have a one way ticket to hell. There are no winners here, everyone loses while these savages still walk the earth.

See ya tomorrow folks. Do as you do, think what you think. It will have zero effect nor make zero difference to the outcome. This is a holy war for the soul of mankind itself.

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Various Social Media posts are suggesting that Israel will simply push the Gaza residents to Egypt and claim Gaza for themselves. If that's true then will the "West Bank" be next ?

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People that includes Women and Children start to starving, no other country can do this even Russia.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-war-palestinians-starving-un-wfp-b2461488.html

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/t%C3%AAte-%C3%A0-t%C3%AAte/20231207-situation-in-gaza-is-apocalyptic-un-human-rights-chief-tells-france-24

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The United States has urged Israel to reduce civilian casualties, though it has provided unwavering diplomatic and military support.

Yea just try to kill less with these weapons we're giving you while we veto cease fire at the UN. ‘Leader of the free world' US always ends up killing people on a large scale one way or another.

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Are we to go through this every single day.

So, just forget about it?

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Lots of people that despise Jews before,this war in Gaza may reinforce them despise them even more,when their is no widespread oppression of Jews in America,maybe some Jews should look at themselves supporting the onslaught in Gaza, and wonder why they are despised

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Various Social Media posts are suggesting that Israel will simply push the Gaza residents to Egypt and claim Gaza for themselves. If that's true then will the "West Bank" be next ? - TokyoOldMan

It's far more than social media hearsay. The idea was proposed by Israeli military intelligence and you only have to do some shallow digging of Netanyahu's countless comments referring to the unfinished task of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from 'Judea and Samaria'.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/intelligence-ministry-concept-paper-proposes-transferring-gazans-to-egypts-sinai/amp/

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They really need to set up temporary refugee camps adjoining Gaza on the Egyptian and Israeli sides to protect the civilians.

Maybe they could start with just the women and children first, since Israel will want to inspect the men suspected of being Hamas members. Provide food, medical care and shelter for them until this blows over.

One thing's for sure, Israel is not going to leave Gaza until Hamas has been completely eradicated.

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Are we to go through this every single day.

So, just forget about it?

Chabba, na young man. I mean having to read the sort of vile garbage day in day out , like ‘Israel did this to themselves, they knew it was coming and let it happen’ moronic takes by people with silly names and no moral compass. We are all eyes on the situation on the ground. It’s the background noise that gets tiresome.

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Sadly, stating an opinion which involves Israel, rather than it's people's, can lead to consequences for you within your own Country under certain "antisemitism" Laws. The same can be said of China, though it's laws are generally still "thankfully" for now, contained within the confines of China.

The idea of Freedom of Speech, no longer exists. Elon Musk's own statement - which sounded true

Musk's definition of free speech: "Is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like? If that is the case, then we have free speech. It's damn annoying, but that is the sign of a healthy, functioning free speech situation."

Source: https://www.axios.com/2022/04/14/elon-musk-twitter-free-speech-ted

So in short, stating an opinion upon what's going on in the Gaza-Israel situation, can end up with you in hot-water .. even to the point of you loosing your Job, regardless even how unbiased a stance you take.

So be careful... what you say, online.

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HamasiSISIS full responsibility.

return all Israeli hostages from Gaza. Each one of them.

hamas to give up or being eliminated.

only then Israel can allow itself to evacuate Gaza

then let’s see who wants and can run this place.

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One thing's for sure, Israel is not going to leave Gaza until Hamas has been completely eradicated.

100 percent.

If death cult Hamas really did love the Palestinian people, they would hand themselves over along with their weapons - and the conflict could be stopped. They have no chance of winning this military conflict, with no chance of replenishment of artillery and ammunition. But instead, they hide behind the Palestinian citizens like the cowards they are.

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We are all eyes on the situation on the ground. It’s the background noise that gets tiresome. - Ricky Kaminski13

You mean context and history? Yeah, issues do become much simpler when you view then in a vacuum. Especially when you have an agenda to push.

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Dear Bibi, how is your war on Hamas going?

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How is this whole human shield rhetoric still a thing? There's been 0 proof of it despite constant requests, then the Israeli government gets praised for telling Palestinians to flee, only to bomb every single place that they're told to flee to. Every time any proof is asked of Israel for anything, they either refuse to provide it or simply conjure something up that gets debunked as soon as it's posted. Not to mention how they constantly compare Palestinians to animals and publicly state that they want them all eradicated. What exactly will it take at this point for people to realize that what Israel is doing is completely out of line?

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Threaten the war criminals with Jail! It is the only way to stop this genocide!

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This current Israeli government led by Mr. Netanyahu will go down in history as the most destructive of all for both Israelis and the Palestinians and the Middle East.

From it's formations many experts on the matter predicted that a war or a conflict of some kind will take place and the chances of PEACE between Israel and Palestine will diminish by the day.

Many Israelis and Palestinians alike warned the world of what is about to unfold but many decided to just wait and see until the Oct. 7th event.

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Hamas brought this all on themselves.

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It speaks volumes that the leadership of Hamas isn't even in Gaza, but in Qatar!

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Israel is already trying to reduce civilian casualties. That is why this conflict is taking as long as it has, and will take longer still. Now, can Hamas say the same thing? They have hidden in hospitals, put weapons in schools. used aid money to buy explosives and build tunnels. Civilians? Not their responsibility.

As Mousa Marzouk (Hammas spokeshole) said, "Protecting Gaza civilians is the responsibility of the UN and Israel".

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Hamas brought this all on themselves.

There is no genocide, and even if there were the Palestinians brought it on themselves. Pitiful.

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Did you completely miss the part about Hamas taking Israeli civilian hostages to Gaza or something?

They took them because Israel holds exponentially more Palestinians captive in jail without trial or any sort of representation, many of those being children who were jailed for the deadly act of throwing a stone at an IDF soldier. They even offered to return every hostage at some point and Israel initially declined. With all that completely aside, do you really think the way Israel retaliated is proportionate to what Hamas did?

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Israel is already trying to reduce civilian casualties. That is why this conflict is taking as long as it has, and will take longer still.

They're doing a wonderful job considering they've bombed every sort of building imaginable and have killed journalists, women, UN workers, children, their own hostages, and so on.

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As many has and still state to this day the Oct, 7th attack ""DID NOT HAPPEN IN A VACUUM"".

For the past 75 years Israel has been Killing, Kidnapping, Keeping women and children hostage in it's jails without trial, Stealing Palestinian Land, Destroying Palestinian homes, Building Apartheid walls, denying the Palestinians the right to return to their homes, and the list goes on and on. while the so called the FREE World is watching.

Hamas fighters and other resistance group like them did not come from NO WHERE, they are the children and grandchildren of the 1948, and 1967 wars refugees who are still being chased out of Palestine.

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Yharman. Yes, they have. That's why it's called "war". Stuff gets broken and people get killed. All can be laid at the feet of Hamas. Or do you have a better, less destructive way for Israel to achieve the righteous goal of removing Hamas from the face of the earth? Because I would love to hear it.

And Hamas did not kidnap Israeli citizens because of other Palestinians being in Israeli prisons. They kidnapped them to increase the terror and pressure on Israel to not retaliate. Well, kidnapped some Israeli citizens. The ones they did not rape, defile, mutilate, and murder. Just look up the treatment of a young German girl, Shani Louk, to see what kind of beasts Hamas are. And the support Hamas gets from the so-called 'innocent' civilans of Gaza. Dancing, cheering, spitting on the raped and mutilated body of an innocent girl. Innocent civilans.

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Threaten the war criminals with Jail!

I agree.

All Hamas terrorists - and their supporters - that come out of this alive need to be locked away for a very long time.

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Israel and Hamas have one major thing in common: both think that they can achieve their goals through conflict but Israel is the only one that’s actually correct. The only winning move Palestinians have is to completely get rid of Hamas.

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return all Israeli hostages from Gaza. Each one of them

Please also ask the same for thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians who are still in Israel's prison. Before and after October 7.

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-detains-142-palestinian-women-and-girls-gaza

The current assault on Gaza's land, is it purely for getting the captured released, or the main objective is to demolish Gaza and it's innocent people? Mosque, church, school, hospital, refugees camp was bombed for what reasons?
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To answer your question, it just doesn't work like that. I hate to see so many civilians caught up in it but Hamas is a small guy and if a small guy whacks a big guy in the balls while he's not looking, the small guy will most likely provoke a big guys response.

So don't go kicking people in the balls when they ain't looking, then go crying that you made them mad.

And why exactly did they "kick them in the balls"? What historical context could possibly be missing there?

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And why exactly did they "kick them in the balls"? What historical context could possibly be missing there?

At the end of the day, historical context doesn’t really matter. Historical context isn’t going to protect you from an Israeli bomb.

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Yharman, I am sure you have a long and drawn out explanation of "historical context" to justify Hamas' crimes. And supporters of Israel could then write their own equally long justification.

The difference is that Hamas chose to deliberately escalate the level of violence and destruction. They CHOSE to target innocent Israeli women for rape and mutilation. They CHOSE to desecrate the corpses of their victims. They CHOSE to murder and torture children. They CHOSE to film themselves in the midst of their evil, and to brag about it to their families. These are the reasons that Hamas' actions stand alone and do not need anyone to try and provide justification. Because there can be none.

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The fanatical right wing Israeli government and more specifically its criminal leader, were hoping a situation would arise that would give them cover and an excuse to do exactly what they are doing in Gaza.

1, To greatly diminish HAMAS and other military groups within Gaza.

2, To eliminate as many Palestinians as they believe they can get away with in Gaza, (population reduction).

3, To return control of Gaza to the Israeli military.

4, So that the territory (and beautiful beaches) can gradually be stolen and given over to new Israeli settlements in the same way that the West bank is being broken up and given to Israeli's.

5, In order to make a "two state solution" even less possible as Palestinians will be living in little isolated pockets inside an expanded and contiguous Israel.

This insidious plan has been slowly and methodically followed by Israel for decades but it needed access and control over Gaza to continue. Ethnic cleansing of what the Israeli government considers "sub humans" not entitled to the same rights as Jewish people.

The world is forced to sit and watch the Palestinians endure increased death and destruction of their lands and property and family members for the benefit of Israel's Jewish population.

Create and clandestinely support a threat to your people, but never one big enough to get out of your control, then use that as a means to gain more lands and ensure that there will never be a Palestine nation. As you eliminate gradually the threat you allowed and supported, only to be finally defeated when Israel gets every inch of land as its own.

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So in short, stating an opinion upon what's going on in the Gaza-Israel situation, can end up with you in hot-water .. even to the point of you loosing your Job, regardless even how unbiased a stance you take.

So be careful... what you say, online.

Freedom of speech as you say Musk spoke about is one thing. But when people speak lies, demonstrably false and use hate speech in order to threaten or disadvantage others, then pretend it is simply freedom of speech, that is another.

Disagreeing over a point is one thing. My sports team is better than yours! No, mine is better than yours!

But outright lies such as, "the election was rigged. It was a stolen election" As used by an individual recently in the US, is clearly and demonstrably false, misleading and harmful to US democracy.

There is a line, even with freedom of speech, that cant be crossed. That line is truth and that line is threatening others with violence and hurt. Once you cross the line then it is no longer a "right to freedom of speech" but a desired right to "get your own way and to hurt others" even when using lies and deceit to do it. There is no right to do that.

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The Government of Israel/IDF are dug in and committed, to a purpose, crudely, its them or us.

Our survival is dependent on total destruction, annihilation our enemies.

The UN/global community need to be fully aware this war could or - of more immediate significance to the whole region future be a forgone conclusion.

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The Government of Israel/IDF are dug in and committed, to a purpose, crudely, its them or us.

It boils down to this. Hamas would wipe out every Israeli possible if they could

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This is a very positive approach by Israel, to take its time to eliminate Arab terrorists and their supporters, no matter what or how long it takes.

This is the result of Hamas committing mass murder of Israeli civilians, shooting rockets into civilian populated areas, and declaring a genocide against the Jewish people.

Whatever happens in Gaza is not Israel's responsibility, other than providing security for Israel.

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Yeah, genocide usually does take time.

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Yeah, genocide usually does take time.

Right; which is why Israel has to ensure it completely eradicates the genocidal maniacs hiding in tunnels under schools and hospitals in Gaza.

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JboneInTheZone, it is appalling, gruesome, unrelenting atrocity, the spectacle of human life reduced to a graveyard further than the eye can see, indescribable ruthlessness.

Could you believe such hate, loathing, detest abomination could reach through generations into such a maelstrom of devastation.

That is what we are all left with, and powerless to avoid or bring to an end.

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For the past 75 years Israel has been Killing, Kidnapping, Keeping women and children hostage in it's jails without trial, Stealing Palestinian Land, Destroying Palestinian homes, Building Apartheid walls, denying the Palestinians the right to return to their homes, and the list goes on and on. while the so called the FREE World is watching.

Yes, and the only reason they could do that is that they always had the complete support and protection from the US. Even now, the US vetoed the cease fire resolution, they continue to supply heavy weapons and funds, and US ships are standing by in the Mediterranean to ensure that nobody interferes in this genocide.

israel AND america are committing this genocide.

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I hate to see so many civilians caught up in it but Hamas is a small guy and if a small guy whacks a big guy in the balls while he's not looking, the small guy will most likely provoke a big guys response.

So don't go kicking people in the balls when they ain't looking, then go crying that you made them mad.

Oh, I see. So if you were to kick me in the balls, I should be allowed to murder your entire family and relatives?

Also, the Palestinians have constantly been "kicked in the balls" by the israelis since the 1940s...

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Yes, they have. That's why it's called "war". Stuff gets broken and people get killed. 

Incredible analysis.

Or do you have a better, less destructive way for Israel to achieve the righteous goal of removing Hamas from the face of the earth? Because I would love to hear it.

Yes, Hamas didn't appear out of thin air for no reason. They exist as a response to the oppression that Palestinians have endured for decades now. They are treated as animals and can't even come back to Gaza if they ever decide to step even a foot outside of the territory, that is a completely insane thing that people don't acknowledge enough. If you want to get rid of Hamas entirely, give Palestinians equal rights, unite under one state, and by showing them a sense of humanity, they can foster a positive relationship with each other and treat each other as equals. Until Palestinians are treated like regular people, Hamas will thrive and the cycle of violence will endlessly breed more Palestinians with the same ideology until they either overthrow Israel or the entirely of the Palestinian population is wiped out.

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israel AND america are committing this genocide.

If Hamas and its leadership surrendered in full the attacks on Gaza would stop tomorrow.

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Yes, the Palestinians should return to their homes.... in Israel? Are you serious? Been 75 years, those homes are gone. But, using that as a guiding principle, I guess the million plus Jews in Israel who are descendants of Jews kicked out of Muslim countries in the 1950s can ALSO go 'back home' to those countries and claim their land. Right?

Israel is the only democracy in the region. They have fought 5 wars to survive against the combined might of all the Arab nations around them. This, IMHO, is a bit part of the problem. The Arabs feel powerless and emasculated by Israel. A thriving democracy with rights for women and LGBT people cannot be allowed in their tiny theocratic minds. So it must be eliminated.

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Yes, the Palestinians should return to their homes.... in Israel?

It’s funny that the people who are arguing that kicking Palestinians out of their homes was a morally wrong thing to do are the same ones screeching the morally right thing to do now is kick Israelis out of their homes

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If you want to get rid of Hamas entirely, give Palestinians equal rights, unite under one state, and by showing them a sense of humanity, they can foster a positive relationship with each other and treat each other as equals.

This would never work. Almost every one state solution comes coupled with a right of return of about 8 million Palestinians. The demographics of Israel would change over night to a majority population that has been polled as supporting Hamas’ attacks on Israel. Why would Israel ever agree to this? It’s a complete fantasy thinking they would as they’d be essentially giving up their state. You’d have more luck writing to Santa asking him to solve the problem then getting Israel to agree to some kind of one state solution

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@Atillathehungry

Israel is already trying to reduce civilian casualties. 

How are they doing that?

Dropping a bomb on apartment blocks where civilians are staying is not really ‘trying’ is it?

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Or do you have a better, less destructive way for Israel to achieve the righteous goal of removing Hamas from the face of the earth? Because I would love to hear it.

The solution has been available for decades and it is called a two state solution.

Without equality and freedom and self determination your going to keep breeding members for HAMAS and others. Take away the thorns and the persecutions and many less will see HAMAS as the only option for relief from occupation and oppression. With no occupation and no oppression HAMAS will fade away, or turn into Palestine's version if Sinn-Fein and turn political from military.

It is not like the two state solution was ever tried by Israel. Never tried and failed for them to fall back on. Israel prefers to have all the land rather than share it with the others it belongs to. If it had been tried for a few decades and failed, then Israel could hold that up for all to see, but fear and greed combined to set Israel's course to the present.

Try the two state solution and try for peace, it is much better for everyone than war, oppression and persecution.

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Israel, do what must be done. Smash Hamas into the dustbin of history and free the Palestinian people from their evil clutches once and for all. Death and hatred is the only language they speak and understand . They dig down into the earth with their tunnels , stealing the international aid and sacrifice their own people. The instinct to dig down is also instinctive, because they know they are have a one way ticket to hell. There are no winners here, everyone loses while these savages still walk the earth.

Amen.

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Peter- there WAS a two state solution, in 1948. It lasted for one day. Then five Arab countries embarked on a war of genocide against Israel. So you can understand how they may be a touch skeptical about easily agreeing to it without iron clad guarantees for their security.

A large part of the problem is cultural and economic. Palestinians are fed propaganda with their mothers' milk, they are taught to hate Jews and blame Israel for their sad circumstances from before they can walk. They grow up resentful, angry, and entitled. They support organizations that have no interest in democracy, freedom, or peace. The solution needs to start THERE. Take the UN and the execrable UNRWA out of the picture. It may take a generation, but the results could be worth it.

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Chabba, na young man. I mean having to read the sort of vile garbage day in day out , like ‘Israel did this to themselves, they knew it was coming and let it happen

You mean reading the truth. Ye, hard pill to swallow for some.

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Also, Peter, what land do you think Israel has to "share"? It is a tiny little country now, the size of one or two Japanese prefectures. By contrast, the Arab countries around it are huge- 30 to 50 times the size of Israel. Yet Israel has to "share"?

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