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Israel quiet on next steps against Iran — and on which partners helped shoot down missiles

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By TIA GOLDENBERG and JOSEF FEDERMAN

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“Arab countries came to the aid of Israel in stopping the attack because they understand that regional organizing is required against Iran, otherwise they will be next in line,” 

Iran's unwarranted and unprovoked attack on Israel backfired, as it diminishes the attention on Israel's war against the Hamas terrorists.

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So, where's the 'Netanyahu claims' provision to the number of drones and missiles supposedly shot?

There's a term "Texas Sharpshooter", based on the meme of someone spending an hour shooting at the side of a barn, then painting a target where a cluster of bullets hit, then bragging that hitting a range that size that many times shows he's a good shot. Well, I guess "Zionist Shield" is going to be for when an arms maker makes his air defense systems see extremely good despite multiple warheads hitting their targets by inflating the number of incoming stuff it faced.

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Well, I guess "Zionist Shield" is going to be for when an arms maker makes his air defense systems see extremely good despite multiple warheads hitting their targets by inflating the number of incoming stuff it faced.

Jordan shot down incoming missiles from Iran too.

The Arabs are conspiring with Israel to promote a "Zionist Shield"?

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quiet on next steps against Iran — and on which partners helped shoot down missiles

Next step will be considered as escalation.

Attacking embassy which being retaliated by drone attack, let's called it a draw by now.

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Attacking embassy which being retaliated by drone attack, let's called it a draw by now.

Killing terrorists near a consulate in a terrorist-regime controlled country doesn't come close to a massive air raid on a sovereign nation, so looking forward to Israel's response.

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RichardPearce - it's not hard to shoot down the slow moving drones and even cruise missiles once they are detected. Ballistics are a bit harder.

Agree that both sides should call a draw. Hopefully cooler heads can prevail and I think they can.

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One unknown is which of Israel’s neighbors participated in the shooting down of the vast majority of about 350 drones and missiles Iran launched. Israeli military officials and a key War Cabinet member noted additional “partners” without naming them.

It is attributed to Jordan.

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RichardPearce - it's not hard to shoot down the slow moving drones and even cruise missiles once they are detected. Ballistics are a bit harder.

Low flying cruise missiles can be much harder to detect that ballistic missiles.

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Cutting through the propaganda, the so called Israeli-coalition, “strategic alliance” saved countless lives.

But U.S. officials said Iran’s intent was to “destroy and cause casualties” and that if successful, the strikes would have caused an “uncontrollable” escalation. At one point, at least 100 ballistic missiles were in the air with just minutes of flight time to Israel, the officials said.

Israel said more than 99% of what Iran fired was intercepted, with just a few missiles getting through. An Israeli airbase sustained minor damage.

Very impressive, it shows that coalition of like minded can prevent “uncontrollable” escalation.

The question remains can such coalitions de-escalate through diplomacy.

It is clear that both Israel and Iran are religiously, ideologically politically worlds apart., so much so a raging fire of hate is ready to explode at any moment.

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Improving Saudi/Israeli relations may have been the reason Hamas attacked. Without military conflict, groups like Hamas lose their raison d'être. The Saudis and other Arab powers don't like Iran and want to form a stable regional superpower. That would include Saudi oil/money and Israeli tech. There would be no place for Hamas in that equation, so Hamas stir things up at the expense of the people of Gaza. If the US back off giving their unqualified support to Israel, Israel will widen the conflict. Progress in the Middle East may only happen when something, even a local war, takes it past the rut it has been stuck in, post-WWII. But it has been very hard on the people of Gaza, simply because their militants sided with Iran.

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Israel needs to stand down from responding to Iran. And continue as it has been in targeting the terrorist groups.

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Iran's unwarranted and unprovoked attack on Israel

lol

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This was not a surprise attack, IF it was the outcome would have been completely DIFFRENT.

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Iran gave plenty of time for Israel to prepare for it's response, the allies probably detected movements on the grounds in Iran prior to the attack too since everyone was expecting it. Iran saved face and nothing more, but it also showed Israel what it's capable of doing on small scale.

Obviously Iran do NOT wish to escalate nor start a war.

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This was not a surprise attack, IF it was the outcome would have been completely DIFFRENT.

With the sensors and platforms like AWACS available to the Israelis and the distance between Iran and Israel, it's doubtful that Iran could mount a surprise attack. Now Hezbollah is a different story due to the shared border.

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As pointed out by most non western News the Gulf states had made a deal with Iran to save face!

This was pointed out in the news in nearly every middle East news site/service, Indian news, etc... letting Iran save face and warning the USA not to help in any retaliation.

Who actually tells their target in advance they launched drones and missiles and how many?

Has Russia ever publicly announced before the missiles or drones had been fired to give Ukraine a heads up?

I pointed this out yesterday and this is the best possible proof of a deal.

U.S. officials said Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Washington would not participate in any offensive action against Iran.

This was such an arranged deal that on the Internet you could follow the "progress" of the drones and missiles live and with the exact course and trajectory plotted out on the maps in advance!

These sites all already knew the exact course and location before hand!

A PR stunt well organized purportedly by a coalition of oil states to let Iran say it did something and avoid an escalation in the region involving the USA and them by association for having USA bases on their territories.

Now we shall see if Biden has any real power!

He said the USA will not participate and the word is simple to Israel, "this chapter is closed" if any escalation happens from this point on, it will all be on Israel!

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Desert Tortoise

Today 09:25 am JST

This was not a surprise attack, IF it was the outcome would have been completely DIFFRENT.

> With the sensors and platforms like AWACS available to the Israelis and the distance between Iran and Israel, it's doubtful that Iran could mount a surprise attack. Now Hezbollah is a different story due to the shared border.

True and false!

Much of the territory was not accessible by Israel and would have required participation or permission of neighbouring countries especially for low flying drones!

The fact that everyone new the planned course in advance, drones were shot down by other countries makes it quite clear this was a PR stunt arranged in advance so Iran saved face!

I watched several live feeds long before these drones an missiles reached Israel and the exact course was already plotted out on the maps these Middle East news sites new in advance where these drones were heading and exactly what course they were taking.

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If Israel’s leader was a left winger, then they’d probably let things sit as they are. Netanyahu is a right winger, so he’s probably going to escalate the situation.

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Netanyahu is a right winger, so he’s probably going to escalate the situation.

You arent wrong

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Israel needs to stand down from responding to Iran. And continue as it has been in targeting the terrorist groups.

Agreed, that would be the reasonable thing to do.

Cutting through the propaganda, the so called Israeli-coalition, “strategic alliance” saved countless lives.

How about an international military coalition to stop the Gaza slaughter to "save countless lives " ?

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The fact that everyone new the planned course in advance, drones were shot down by other countries makes it quite clear this was a PR stunt arranged in advance so Iran saved face!

The sensor range of something like an E-3A, RC-135 or E-8 is such that US forces probably detected the drones and missiles being prepared for launch and tracked them in real time. Some of the engagements were conducted by US destroyers operating in the Mediterranean Sea. The radars on modern US DDGs can track targets far inland.

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It seems some here are skeptical about the information pointing to a deal between the Gulf states and Iran.

So the question is simple:

What changed in the last 48 to 72 hours?

Before the attack by Iran the USA was warning Iran it would help Israel retaliate if Iran attacked!

Certain people here went on and on about USA fire power, technology, aircraft carriers etc...and how Iran would regret it if it attacked Israel!

Suddenly middle east news, indian news are reporting a backroom deal to let Iran save face!

They also reported that all the USA middle east allies minus Israel but including NATO membre Turkey told the USA their airspace and bases were off limits for attacking Iran.

Suddenly right after Iran does retaliate the USA's

"We will help Israel retaliate if attacked"

Becomes:

U.S. officials said Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Washington would not participate in any offensive action against Iran.

So again, what changed, in 48 to 72 hours for Washington to do an about-face?

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“Arab countries came to the aid of Israel in stopping the attack because they understand that regional organizing is required against Iran, otherwise they will be next in line,” 

This. And honestly, these countries have begun to realize trade and normalized relations with Israel is good for business. They may put on a show when it comes to supporting the Palestinian cause, but in reality the Palestinians have been kind of a nuisance for neighboring Arab countries (see Black September in Jordan and Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt).

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Desert Tortoise

Today 10:15 am JST

The fact that everyone new the planned course in advance, drones were shot down by other countries makes it quite clear this was a PR stunt arranged in advance so Iran saved face!

> The sensor range of something like an E-3A, RC-135 or E-8 is such that US forces probably detected the drones and missiles being prepared for launch and tracked them in real time. Some of the engagements were conducted by US destroyers operating in the Mediterranean Sea. The radars on modern US DDGs can track targets far inland.

I don't think you are understanding!

Do you think the USA and Israel were giving the Arab state live news and the pre course of these drones?

Your explanation covers why the USA military and Israel military knew, but doesn't explain why only a few minutes after Iran announced the launching of the attack Arab news already had the courses mapped out and the drones followed the already mapped out courses.

And just to point out, the USA didn't need to detect anything being prepared!

Iran announced the exact time and numbers of everything it fired at Israel but seeing wester countries and news refuse to show and block Iranian news, this was either not reported of down plaid in the west!

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So again, what changed, in 48 to 72 hours for Washington to do an about-face?

Iran’s “retaliation” doesn’t appear to be anything more than a face saving move to appeal to its citizens.

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JboneInTheZone

Today 10:17 am JST

“Arab countries came to the aid of Israel in stopping the attack because they understand that regional organizing is required against Iran, otherwise they will be next in line,”

> This. And honestly, these countries have begun to realize trade and normalized relations with Israel is good for business.

Funny!

More likely they realized a middle east war was bad for business!

Trade with Israel is nothing compared to their oil trade if it was interrupted!

More often than not the obvious and simplest answer is the right one!

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JboneInTheZone

Today 10:23 am JST

So again, what changed, in 48 to 72 hours for Washington to do an about-face?

> Iran’s “retaliation” doesn’t appear to be anything more than a face saving move to appeal to its citizens.

You still haven't answered the question!

I pointed out that already as did most middle east news services.

But that does not explain why the USA suddenly changed it mind to help retaliate if Israel does!

The USA didn't say it would participate "if the attack was successful" it said "if Iran attacks"!

Well Iran did and now the USA pulls out of helping Israel retaliate!

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More likely they realized a middle east war was bad for business!

Well yeah, the two are related. Israel is a stable economic partner for a lot of its neighbors in the region. Of course avoiding conflict with them is bad for business. Continuing to support the armed wing of the Palestinian cause is also by proxy bad for business.

Trade with Israel is nothing compared to their oil trade if it was interrupted!

First of all, it isn’t “nothing”. Israel imported about half a billion dollars worth of goods from Jordan in 2022 alone. Countries like Jordan and Egypt would take a significant hit economically if a regional trading partner like Israel was to get bombed to smithereens.

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You still haven't answered the question!

If I had to guess it’s because there were back room negotiations going on with both Israel and Iran.

The USA didn't say it would participate "if the attack was successful" it said "if Iran attacks"!

Well Iran did and now the USA pulls out of helping Israel retaliate!

Again, this doesn’t appear to be a real “attack” so the US and Israel have nothing to retaliate against

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Iran’s “retaliation” doesn’t appear to be anything more than a face saving move to appeal to its citizens.

Have you ever spoken to people from Iran?

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JboneInTheZone

Today 10:36 am JST

You still haven't answered the question!

> If I had to guess it’s because there were back room negotiations going on with both Israel and Iran

Wait!

Since yesterday I have been told no such thing as a backroom deal!

We hear only how badly Iran would pay if it did attack, now how incompetent Iran is, how it was a failure etc....

But after all the Arab and Indian news said a deal was made and so many here said no way, blah blah blah..

You now say "backroom negotiation"!?!?

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Antiquesaving, your thought provoking interesting analysis, especially the breakdown of events.

This post from Desert Tortoise

With the sensors and platforms like AWACS available to the Israelis and the distance between Iran and Israel, it's doubtful that Iran could mount a surprise attack. Now Hezbollah is a different story due to the shared border.

This highlights the reach of US collaboration.

Honestly my scepticism, my cynicism, my experiences of unashamed political fabricating, prevaricating.

I really don't know or comprehend the mix of agendas in play.

I suggest it is prevarication, even deceitful.

The mention of Russia/China governments, the so called global democracies one why or another work together sometimes clandestinely to fudge a compromise.

Iran offers by its very nature, its religious beliefs, only the harshest outcome, no compromise.

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There are theories that the Hamas Rebellion happened because the Sauds, who had actually acted on repairing their relationship with Iran when they realized that Iran was now effectively the equivalent of a G7 country, and the only hope that the Sauds had of a future that wasn't extremely limited by being a sort of unwanted hanger on to the White Bloc until the global realization that the choice to end fossil fuels couldn't be a 'choice' any more, but ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY, even if America didn't like it, at which point not even America or Germany etc would want to be known to associate with it, was to be part of the Black Brown Yellow Beige coalition that BRICS/BRI is evolving into, and Iran IS the ME hub of that, might actually not continue to find reasons to delay doing anything but talk about talking about negotiating an agreement with the Israeli regime.

That's not really theories, it conspiracy theories (the difference being that it ignores all sorts of evidence that it is wrong, while relying on 'secret evidence' to 'prove' it is right)

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The fact that everyone new the planned course in advance, drones were shot down by other countries makes it quite clear this was a PR stunt arranged in advance so Iran saved face!

Simply because if Iran tried any other type of attack Israel would crush it in response.

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> An elderly ultra-Orthodox Jewish man looks on as he walks in the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem, Sunday, April 14, 2024. Israel on Sunday hailed its air defenses in the face of an unprecedented attack by Iran, saying the systems thwarted 99% of the more than 300 drones and missiles launched toward its territory.

The Iron Dome was truly impressive and Iran's "retaliation" looked like an exercise in military theater.

Which is maybe a good thing and points toward a future of automated warfare?

Unfortunately the innocents being slaughtered in Gaza and the misery being caused to non-combatants is not bloodless automated warfare.

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Let's remember that when Iran's strike on the American airbase it's wanton attack on an Iranian diplomacy mission (in Iraq) left a series of craters where once critical infrastructure of the airbase was (but only there, showing that Iran was hitting the bullseye despite America's storied 'air defenses' only facing a limited number of Iran's supposedly primitive and ineffective drones) Trump insisted, and White Bloc media played along, that the 'damage was minimal', so when certain people insist that the 'obviously primitive and ineffective' Iranian drones and missiles did minimal or less damage, well, think about how much you trust Trump's claims.

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itsonlyrocknroll

Today 11:18 am JST

Iran offers by its very nature, its religious beliefs, only the harshest outcome, no compromise.

Probably true, but equally true is the other side of the coin!

Israel offers by its very nature, its religious beliefs, only the harshest outcome, no compromise.

And if you are honest both your statement and my modification of it are true!

And in both cases especially as long as the hardline religious parties hold the power as in Iran or the balance of power as in Israel.

Both the belligerents claim devine right!

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Good, let that be the end of it. Israel was wrong to hit the embassy. I don't care if it's hiding generals or whatever - nefarious activity has always been part of embassies and it is always tolerated in the name of the greater value of Diplomacy.

So Iran fires back, gets a few hits. Hopefully everyone is satisfied and can break it up.

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Trump insisted, and White Bloc media played along, that the 'damage was minimal', so when certain people insist that the 'obviously primitive and ineffective' Iranian drones and missiles did minimal or less damage, well, think about how much you trust Trump's claims.

Trump picked off an Iranian terrorist in a car.

Israel knocked out a couple of Iranian terrorists in a building in Syria.

I trust both the US' and Israel's capabilities.

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Since yesterday I have been told no such thing as a backroom deal!

Are you a government official? Otherwise I wouldn’t expect you’d know. I’m also not saying for sure that’s what happened just my speculation

We hear only how badly Iran would pay if it did attack, now how incompetent Iran is, how it was a failure etc....

Correct. Do you think Iran’s retaliation was an actual attack attempting to do actual damage to Israel?

But after all the Arab and Indian news said a deal was made and so many here said no way

Cool, I’m not a representative for other people on this site and what they say though

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JboneInTheZone

Today 11:35 am JST

Since yesterday I have been told no such thing as a backroom deal!

> Are you a government official?

No and not are you. But over the time on this site you often accept western news as fact when they say "sources" in the whitehouse, or state department, etc...

But when non western news say the same thing about their governments and sources, most here including you immediately lean towards skeptical or "let's wait and see" or "we don't really know".

Which is quite interesting!

It is as if people think only western news has sources in their western governments and the rest of the world are just not that smart!

If CNN or Fox came out and said:

"Our sources say a backroom deal was struck between the Gulf States the USA and Iran"

most here would be saying they believe it!

But Al Jazeera, or a major Indian news site says it and what how people dismiss it!

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We keep hearing about the Iranian government being made up and created by hardline religious zealots.

Can someone explain the difference with that and the founding of Israel?

The present government is run by hardline religious zealots, it was founded on 100% hardline religious beliefs by religious zealots that claimed devine right to the land!

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So, apparently the Israeli regime alone spent $1.3 BILLION trying, and FAILING, to stop Iran's "dozens" of drones and missiles from punching craters in an important Israeli air base after flying straight across some of the Israeli regime's most heavily defended sites.

And because operating fighters costs a lot more than operating fixed ground defenses, the US and UK probably each spent more also trying and failing to do the same thing.

Note that the WW2 Mosquito bomber (well, it pretty much became the warplane that did it all) shows that cheap and 'primitive' doesn't mean ineffective, and the Iranian drones and missiles follow the same design philosophy, making 100 of them (or even the Israeli claimed 330- likely going to be revised upwards by tomorrow) that likely cost less than $1.3 million quite effective even if you ignore the damage the Israeli regime's insisting on calling minimal.

If Iran were the sort of ruthless war monger that the US is, it would have simply kept launching wave after wave of these attacks until the American economy crumbled

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Antiquesaving, Israel, more so its government, Hamas on the 7th October could have brought the middle east to a point of no return.

Blame game psychology could have passed all by, as the participants, politically transverse a course of action that bring into view a global conflict.

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No and not are you. 

True, which is why I hedged my statement with “it’s only my speculation”

But when non western news say the same thing about their governments and sources, most here including you immediately lean towards skeptical or "let's wait and see" or "we don't really know"

When have I said this? I’ve used Al-Jazeera plenty of times as a reference when discussing news on this site

It is as if people think only western news has sources in their western governments and the rest of the world are just not that smart!

Im not responsible for what other people think

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Do you think the USA and Israel were giving the Arab state live news and the pre course of these drones?

That was all speculation by news rooms but pretty easy to do as the route from Iran to Israel is just a little bit predictable.

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So, apparently the Israeli regime alone spent $1.3 BILLION trying, and FAILING, to stop Iran's "dozens" of drones and missiles from punching craters in an important Israeli air base after flying straight across some of the Israeli regime's most heavily defended sites.

The air base in question is in the southeast corner of Israel close to the border with Jordan in a sparsely populated part of Israel.

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itsonlyrocknroll

Today 11:57 am JST

Antiquesaving, Israel, more so its government, Hamas on the 7th October could have brought the middle east to a point of no return.

And why is that?

The West turned two blind eyes towards Israel for decades.

We have here and in western governments and news ths constant "Israel is the only democracy in the area" "Israel follows international laws" etc..

But all that is blatantly false!

Israel is one of the countries with the most UN resolutions against it!

Israel has since it's founding been accused of human rights abuse based in ethnicity.

Israel has violated multiple countries sovereignty.

UN reports in internationally illegal detention of several thousand Palestinians including women and children with torture, every year for decades now go unpunished do to USA veto.

The killing of thousands of Palestinians long before October 7th including 40% women and children,

The illegal taking of Palestinian land and killing of palestinians by israeli settlers under the protection of IDF, the illegal expansion of settlements from the agreed upon 140 to the now 280 with all the new 140 on illegally taken land by force and killing of palestinians.

Nothing was done! Literally nothing, except arm more settlers and IDF!

So how is anyone surprised or upset that Hamas or any other Palestinian group would at some point say: enough! The world is ignoring our situation, so what do we have to lose?"

The Warsaw ghetto uprising had near zero chance to succeed, so why did they?

Because they had no other choice and nothing to lose!

So guess where Hamas and those in Gaza got the idea from!

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