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Iranian naval vessels are provocation

Wow! Really? What would ever give Israel that idea?

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Why would a ship from a peaceful country like Iran be considered a provocation? Provocations are acts like keeping millions of people prisoners under terrible conditions of malnutrition and poor access to medical treatment (Gaza), or murdering thousands of innocent unarmed civilians (e.g., Gaza and Lebanon in very recent history), bombing known and clearly marked UN schools and outposts; those are provocations, but a peaceful country like Iran visiting its friend Syria should not be of any concern.

Israeli security officials said that as long as the ships remain in international waters, there is nothing Israel can legally do.

That hasn't stopped them before. Recall the humanitarian flotilla and the USS Liberty.

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Why would a ship from a peaceful country like Iran be considered a provocation?

Cause Iran is not a peaceful country.

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Iran and Israel are bitter enemies. Israel considers Iran a threat because of:

its nuclear program - so what? they signed the NPT and allow free inspections; no evidence of Iran pursuing nuclear weapons.

missile development - so what? they have not attacked their neighbours in centuries. Why shouldn't they able to build up a defense against the saber rattlers (US, Israel,...)

frequent references by its leader to Israel’s destruction - so he predicted that the regime occupying Jerusalem will vanish, just as the Soviet regime did. So what?

Funny how agencies like AP take advantage of these situations to list again and again the alleged negative points of one side, Iran, while NEVER mentioning the actual negative points, and there are many, of the other side, Israel. Funny that!

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Sabiwabi,

"no evidence of Iran pursuing nuclear weapons." Because Iran wont allow full and open inspections so of course you can make the statement. "missile development - so what?" Hmm Iran develops missiles that can reach Israel but not the US, Iran has declared many times it wants Israel destroyed. "frequent references by its leader to Israel’s destruction " Um l think this speaks volumes for Irans intentions and yes while Iran hasnt invaded anyone recently they are and admit backing terrorist groups (you know the ones attacking Israel) so they indirectly are attacking other countries by using proxies.

But hey you wont believe that will you?

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sabi: they signed the NPT and allow free inspections

They violated the NPT when they built a secret enrichment facility in the side of mountain, and only disclosed it after it had already been discovered.

sabi: terrible conditions of malnutrition and poor access to medical treatment

And yet Gaza and the West Bank are ranked one of the highest in the world for obesity. It appears they do need those medical facilities for their diabetes and high cholesterol

bombing known and clearly marked UN schools and outposts;

UN schools are a favorite place for Jihadists to conduct their terrorism. Hospitals are another favorite.

sabi: keeping millions of people prisoners under terrible conditions

The "Palestinians" love their misery. What do you continually insist on taking away their happiness?

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They violated the NPT

Yup, that is not the only time either.

they have not attacked their neighbours in centuries

The Islamic Republic of Iran has not been around for centuries. The Islamic Republic of Iran has attacked Israel and the US through its proxies in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza. Iran's government has threatened Israel on several occasions suggesting the country should not exist. Some peaceful country.

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I have a funny feeling that with all that is going on in the ME and Iran's and Syria's regimes clearly keeping all opposition at bay, that Israel's days are clearly numbered.

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sabi: Recall the humanitarian flotilla and the USS Liberty

The fauxtilla was organized by the IHH and ISM, both with ties to terrorist organizations including Hamas and Al Qaeda. If fact, ISM members met with and supported suicides bombers during the Intifidas. Humanitarian indeed.

And the USS Liberty? That occurred over a half a century ago and was closed nearly as long ago. But it's a perennial favorite of David Duke and his ilk.

sabi: no evidence of Iran pursuing nuclear weapons.

Iran currently has enough uranium hexafluoride gas to make a hundred nuclear bombs, thousands of centrifuges capable of uranium enrichment to weapons grade, missiles capable of delivering payloads up to two thousand miles, and a nuclear plant which can produce a steady supply of plutonium. That's all the evidence I need. These toys must not be allowed in the hands of Islamic fundamentalist regimes that export terrorism.

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Nah there nuclear missiles are purely for peaceful purposes like.... Gee what do you use a nuke for again???? Thats right maybe destroying your enemy the one you constantly threaten to destroy.... How gullable are some of these people who have been sucked into the Iran the peaceful country propaganda.

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Israel considers Iran a threat because of its nuclear program, missile development and frequent references by its leader to Israel’s destruction. Iran denies it has nuclear weapons ambitions, but it backs militant anti-Israel groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.

Hmmmm, seems that what AP is doing is trying to get people to subconsciously make the following associations [nuclear program] + [missile development] + [prediction of zionist regime disappearance] = developing nuclear missiles to destroy Israel.

Nah there nuclear missiles are purely for peaceful purposes like.... Gee what do you use a nuke for again???? Thats right maybe destroying your enemy the one you constantly threaten to destroy

Seems AP's strategy works on some people.

How gullable are some of these people who have been sucked into the Iran the peaceful country propaganda.

There is no evidence to the contrary. Seems those gullible people who fell for Saddam's WMDs are the same who are falling for Iran's nuclear weapons.

Fact is, there is one regime in the Middle East with nuclear weapons who has attacked its neighbours many times and constantly threatens to attack Iran; its Israel, they should shut up and stop whining about Iran.

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They violated the NPT when they built a secret enrichment facility in the side of mountain, and only disclosed it after it had already been discovered.

They did not violate the NPT. They disclosed the facility long before they had to, which is not before they start building but rather before moving radioactive material into the facility. They did not violate the NPT, despite the 3 stooges's (Obama, Sarko, and Brown) attempt to make Iran look bad.

Iran signed the NPT is following the NPT rules and allows open inspections; Israel does not.

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Hmmmm, seems that what sabiwabi is doing is trying to get people to subconsciously forget the following associations [nuclear program]and potential nuclear weapons program + [missile development] + [encouraging the destruction of the state of Israel] = Iran is a dangerous country

Seems sabiwabi's strategy does not work on that many people.

Which is why while sabiwabi insists they did not, ElBaradei of the IAEA has stated that Iran did not comply with NPT commitments. It was not one time either. It has been more than once.

Bottom line: Although Iran signed the NPT, it does not always follow the NPT rules and does not always allow open inspections

As Israel is not a party to the NPT, it does not have to.

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Although Iran signed the NPT, it does not always follow the NPT rules and does not always allow open inspections.

You are wrong. People are also ignoring that America's own intelligence believes Iran is NOT pursuing nuclear weapons.

As Israel is not a party to the NPT, it does not have to.

True. But they have no business complaining about Iran's peaceful civilian nuclear program. Also, that makes all American financial and military aid to Israel over the past few decades illegal!!!

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Sabiwabi,

"Also, that makes all American financial and military aid to Israel over the past few decades illegal!!!" how exactly does it? And going by your theory then all US aid to India and Pakistan is also illegal as they have not signed the NPT either

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You are wrong.

I don't think I am. ElBaradei of the IAEA agrees with me. Who agrees with you? Ahmadinejad?

People are also ignoring that America's own intelligence believes Iran is NOT pursuing nuclear weapons.

That's okay, because according to you, they should ignore America's intelligence anyway.

But they have no business complaining about Iran's peaceful civilian nuclear program.

Why not? Israel has not encouraged the destruction of another country. Iran has.

Also, that makes all American financial and military aid to Israel over the past few decades illegal!!!

Who cares? Are you American? If not, why is that any concern of yours?

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Israel has not encouraged the destruction of another country.

They just go ahead and destroy them (e.g., Palestine).

They even threaten to attack Iran for allegedly pursuing (without evidence) what Israel already has. This does not make any sense.

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Sabiwabi,

Just as Iran has been doing to Israel for years hey. Committing mass murder and terrorism. Israel has only ever attacked when in danger themselves from their neighbours who openly state they want them destroyed. Big difference

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They just go ahead and destroy them

The Palestinians don't seem to need Israel's help to destroy Palestine. They do just fine on their own.

They even threaten to attack Iran for allegedly pursuing (without evidence) what Israel already has. This does not make any sense.

Of course it makes sense. You may not agree with the argument, but it certainly makes sense. Iran encourages Israel's destruction and assists the groups that are actively trying to destroy Israel. Israel, on the other hand, has nothing to do with Iran, except for selling them weapons on occasion, and would pose no danger to the country whatsoever if it were not for the fact that Iran encourages and assists in attempts to destroy Israel. Iran should mind its own business and start dealing with its own problems of free speech and protest.

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sabi: [nuclear program] plus [missile development] plus [prediction of zionist regime disappearance] = developing nuclear missiles to destroy Israel.

[fundamentalist islamic country that exports terrorism] plus [facilities capable of making nuclear bombs] plus [delivery systems for nuclear bombs] = [nuclear holocaust]

sabi: They just go ahead and destroy them (e.g., Palestine).

How can you destroy a country that doesn't exist? There is no "Palestine." Next they'll be accusing Israel of destroying Freedonia.

sabi: Iran's peaceful civilian nuclear program

Of course, the more vigorously one tries to convince you that Iran's program is peaceful, the more likely they are to hope Iran will make a nuclear bomb and destroy Israel. If it weren't for the prospect of making a nuclear bomb, these people wouldn't even bother discussing Iran's nuclear program.

sabi: Seems those gullible people who fell for Saddam's WMDs are the same who are falling for Iran's nuclear weapons.

Even the most politically uninformed recognize Iraq and Iran are completely different. Iran has dozens of nuclear facilities, a nuclear power plant that can supply plutonium, thousands of centrifuges, missiles capable of carrying nuclear payloads, i.e. all the tools necessary to make and deliver a nuclear bomb. It's all right there for all to see. Iraq had none of these.

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There is no "Palestine.

Exactly, the Israelis wiped it off the map.

Iran encourages Israel's destruction and assists the groups that are actively trying to destroy Israel.

No, these groups are fighting against illegal occupation and aggressions, big difference. Stop blaming the victim.

And Israel constantly threatens to attack Iran for allegedly pursuing (without evidence) what Israel already has.

Iran has ... all the tools necessary to make and deliver a nuclear bomb.

If ever they wanted to make nuclear weapons, they still have a very long way to go. And they allow full inspections, so the world can confirm that the radioactive material has not been diverted to weapons.

Even the most politically uninformed recognize Iraq and Iran are completely different.

However, the lying press is exactly the same. And surprisingly, despite the huge loss of life on all sides, people are not concerned by who intentionally lied and why.

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ha, ha! that should be: We are not blaming the victim, we are blaming Iran and its proxies.

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Iran might want to think about their relationship more with other Middle Eastern countries these days than Israel. They're quickly becoming the #1 enemy of the Arabs.

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The Palestinians wiped Palestine off the map all by themselves and Iran uses them as a red flag so as to distract their citizens from the dissatifaction they have in Iran. Israel was not and is not the original aggressor here, Iran is. The Iranian Revolutionary government made Israel an enemy just as the Egyptian brotherhood want to do. Whipping up the masses helps keep them occupied. However, as we are seeing, that might not be working so well anymore. Iran's leaders are quaking and it shows. This latest display is just the leaders trying to get people to forget they are not allowed to speak or protest freely in Iran. Iran should stop threatening Israel and give up trying to get nuclear weapons, which everyone who is rational knows they would love to get their hands on. Iran has been in violation of the NPT and the IAEA has said so. They only allow inspectors when they feel it is convenient.

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sabi: a peaceful country like Iran

Holding government-sponsored rallies with neo-Nazi David Duke to the chants of "Death to Israel!!!" is a funny way of showing it. But Iran is currently a country at war, through its terrorist proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel right now has every right to defend itself.

sabi: Exactly, the Israelis wiped it off the map.

How can Israel have wiped a country off the map that has never existed? There has never been a country of "Palestine." But if you are referring the area of the ME that was conquered by the Romans and is referred to as "Palestine," then it's primarily the countries of Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon that took over this region. It's the Jordanians that wiped it off the map! Where's the outrage?!

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superlib: They're quickly becoming the #1 enemy of the Arabs.

So true. Saudi Arabia would like nothing more than to have Israel or the US take out Iran's nuclear facilities. The only defenders of Iran right now are either Islamic terrorists or neo-Nazis.

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Nah there nuclear missiles are purely for peaceful purposes like.... Gee what do you use a nuke for again???? Thats right maybe destroying your enemy the one you constantly threaten to destroy....

Should they, in your opinion, use nuclear terror to hostile Iran?

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Iran might want to think about their relationship more with other Middle Eastern countries these days than Israel. They're quickly becoming the #1 enemy of the Arabs.

Makes very good sense, at least acc. to wikileaks LoL

But you're very right SuperLib, and I think some in the Arab world are wary and insecure of a more assertive Iran. And with its ongoing nuclear program Tehran could only become more and more assertive as possible regional power.

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Holding government-sponsored rallies with neo-Nazi David Duke to the chants of "Death to Israel!!!" is a funny way of showing it.

There's a short doco titled Strangers No More about multiculturalism in Tel Aviv that people must watch!

Anti-semitism of some in the Muslim and Arab world are a great concern.

I think re-educating these masses to show respect and love to Jewish people, entities must be encouraged. Let's include some in Asia as well, just so that we won't miss a spot.

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