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Crap, that just means less Palestineans to kill. I can't believe that they actually open the gates to allow anything in or out.

Day 7, more murders coming. < :-)

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Adaydream, in case you missed it, the Israeli government hours ago approved a ground attack on Gaza. The Israeli military has been given carte blanche to deal with it as they see fit. As of this minute, that has not yet happened.

I mentioned to you before that Hamas had the power to stop this thing from escalatin' from the moment they began it.

Oh, yes, and your "murders" and smiley face take absolutely nothin' away from the seriousness of your position.

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Given Israel's military advantage, if they really wanted to "murder" Palestinians, they'd all be dead already.

What we have now is restraint on a scale never seen in war. Not that it makes any difference to the Hamas apologists, of course.

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Breakin' News: Hamas leaders in Syria - hidin' in Syria, not Gaza - have acknowledged the Israeli armor and infantry build-up now poised on Gaza and with Israeli government permission to attack whenever and however the Israeli military determines.

The Hamas leadership - hidin' in Syria, not Gaza - have boldly and courageously told Israel that they are "ready for them".

It was not noted whether or not Hamas leadership - hidin' in Syria, not Gaza - has acknowledged that folks other than Hamas terrorists are within Gaza.

Nothin' new under that sun.

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I think Israeli politicians are worried about the election and are going after Hamas for political reasons not for strategic reasons and it is a mistake, I feel. Hamas was hanging themselves with their own rope. If they had been left alone a little while longer the Palestinians in Gaza probably would have gotten rid of them themselves. Hamas fires rockets to gain political support. Palestinians will "rally round the flag" when under attack. Both Israeli politicians and Hamas politicians gain from the conflict.

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Proxy, Israel gave Gaza as a present to the Palestinians to try and make somethin' out of.

Hamas then murdered the elected Palestinian government in Gaza.

I'm sure Hamas is lookin' for political gain around the world and it's workin' judging by a few of these posts.

As far as the Israelis go, they have to go in a fix a lethal mistake that they didn't have to make in the first place. I don't believe they're lookin' for any political gain. They're just fed up.

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Well under 50% of Israelis think there is any strategic value in what their politicians are doing but like most people they too rally round the flag and their politicians when they are "at war." Peace doesn't get you elected in Israel, Palestine or anywhere else.

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Proxy, the peace option was always in the hands of Hamas, even before they murdered the elected Palastinian leadership in Gaza and then began rocketin' Israel.

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Hold on, let me remind you that Hamas was elected and the USA funded Futah to go to war with Hamas. But I would agree peace was an option Hamas did not take because peace does not get you elected. Same thing in Israel, peace gets you assassinated war gets you elected. Rabin tried peace, won the Nobel Prize and then was killed by a Jewish terrorist.

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Proxy, was Hamas elected before or after they murdered the elected Palestinian government?

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After 5 months of a 6 month cease fire the Isrealis started shooting Palestineans, cross border attacks.

Did it get open borders dyring that 6 months?

Did it get them access to medicine in that 6 months?

Did it get anything through during that 6 months?

So they had to dig tunnels to live. To get just the neccessities.

I'm glad that Isreal is doing the legal thing and let foreigners out.

While they're bombing all over Gaza are they going to allow women and children escape the bombing?

I'm glad you folks are happy. Palestine spent 6 months locked up (Without the access to life sustaining neccessities) and they got tired of it and some dumbass Hamas members shot some rockets. This is what they deserve.

Enjoy yourself. They gotta spend that $30,195,000,000.00 somewhere.

“They are supposed to destroy just the Hamas, but people in their homes are dying too,” she said, at the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel.

It's indiscriminate killing. < :-)

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Adaydream, it's up to Hamas. It's always been up to Hamas.

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If it's left up to them to settle it, this war that has lasted 40/50 years will never end. No matter what, there are factions on both sides that will do anything to keep war going on.

It will take outside forces. And giving Isreal $$$$$$$$$$ isn't helping anything, except to kill innocent people.

Enjoy yourself. < :-)

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Israel is an occupying army,which is in control all movements in terms of land sea and air, and even control the movements of those who can leave the conflict area.

This has been the state of Gaza for as long as I can remember. Under these circumstances a state of war have always existed between Israel and the people of the Gaza strip.

There is 1.3 million people squeezed into a tiny area by the Israeli army. A state of siege have always existed especially when the material resources of a community is largely controlled by others.

This notion about a cease fire has been broken is ridiculous. The war did not start with the ending of the cease fire. The war against the Palestinian people has always been ongoing and the occupation is a testament to that fact.

The Palestinians have a right to defend themselves from an occupying army bent on undermining there ability to to achieve self determination. Palestinian rocket firing against the Israeli army is a stand against oppression, it is essentially a bold resistance to an occupying army.

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Palestinian rocket firing against the Israeli army is a stand against oppression, it is essentially a bold resistance to an occupying army.

Since when did they start firing rockets at Israeli Military targets?

Musta missed that one.

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Everton2,let's not put the cart before the horse.

Israel is not "an occupyin' army", although they may become one in the immediate future.

Hamas is welcome to knock if off at any time before this comes to pass.

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Everton2: The Palestinians have a right to defend themselves from an occupying army bent on undermining there ability to to achieve self determination. Palestinian rocket firing against the Israeli army is a stand against oppression, it is essentially a bold resistance to an occupying army.

So is it fair to say that you support terrorism as a form of resistance?

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If the militants stop the rockets the military campaign will stop and humanitarian aid will arrive. It's as simple as that.

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SuperLib: The Palestinians live under a life of occupation. Their airspace, sea lanes and movement over land is heavily controlled. That to me is occupation and control. That has essentially been the condition before the rocket firing and will continue well after.

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2050 - European Union lets Jews with Israeli or American passports leave; New York Times warns of crisis.

See charity can cut both ways.

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"Meanwhile, in Washington, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice accused Gaza’s Hamas rulers of holding the people of Gaza hostage and said an end to violence would only be possible once Hamas halted its rocket fire against Israel. She said the United States continues to seek a “durable and sustainable” cease-fire."

Big surprise... not an ill-word in there by the US towards Israel; just more money doled out for more weapons to do what they are doing.

USARonin: Your head in the sand, as usual.

"(Hamas is) ready to cooperate with any effort leading to an end to the Israeli offensive against Gaza, lifting the seige and opening all crossings.”

Do you understand that English, taken from the article? It says Hamas is willing to DO ANYTHING to put an end to the offensive, and that would include stopping rocket attacks, etc.

So, now, do tell us again how, with this offer on the table by Hamas, how it is up to them to get Israel to say yes to it. You see... Israel is in the position to put an end to it, Hamas is only in a position it's in; wait to see if Israel agrees.

Israel has agreed it may end the seige if international monitors are put into play, which PROVES BEYOND A DOUBT that it is up to THEM, not Hamas. Do you not see this? Even a child could understand that Hamas, at present, has but two choices; wait for the Israeli ground assault to die, or die from the air assault if the blockade doesn't kill them first. The people that can end the assault are the Israelis.

Now, that being said, once Israel decides to end the assault, the people that can KEEP it ended are first and foremost the Hamas, with Israel also playing a very active part, and hopefully international monitors, as Israel requested.

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Everton2: The Palestinians live under a life of occupation. Their airspace, sea lanes and movement over land is heavily controlled. That to me is occupation and control. That has essentially been the condition before the rocket firing and will continue well after.

Just say you support terrorism as a form of resistance. You can dance around it all you want, but eventually you'll have to come to terms with that fact.

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430 dead,320 seriously wonded and 2200 wounded. This is the casualties count and wounded count, since start of Dec 2008 Israel revenge operations.

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Dead count is up by 7 people, today it is 437 gazan palestinians .

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SmithinJapan, Hamas murdered the elected Palestinian government in Gaza and then began rocketin' Japan.

Hours ago the Israeli government gave it's go-ahead for the Israeli military to use ground forces in Gaza in any way they see fit.

Hamas leadership - hidin' in Syria, not in Gaza - has acknowledged this and said it's ready for whatever Israel does. Based on that, I'd say you have no complaint.

Maybe Hamas should knock it off.

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"rocketin' Israel"

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USARonin, you posted that Hours ago the Israeli government gave it's go-ahead for the Israeli military to use ground forces in Gaza in any way they see fit. Please post source of this news item.

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The UN never warned of a crisis while Hamas was sending 7000 rockets into Sideroth and Ashkelon. Hypocrits.

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I still can't find Hamas on the map.

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In gaza palestine there is 5 districts Khan Yunis,Rafah,Gaza City,Deir al-Balah and Gaza City.

Palestinian civilian people must go to districts which are not in fighting zone to avoid civilian casualties from bombings.

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Islamic terrorist groups like Hamas seek hudnas when they are weak, not peace:

hudna can also be interpreted not as a peaceful move but as a tactical pause intended only for re-armament, paving the way for renewed conflict from a stronger position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna

That's why it's critical for Israel not to end the conflict until it has destroyed, as much as possible anyway, Hamas and their ability to launch rocket attacks into Israel. Israel shouldn't agree to a cease-fire until they get the job done. It should be on Israel's terms, not Hamas.

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have any of you read up on how close those so called rockets have been recently to Israel's nuke facilities? That could be one reason why Israel is dead set on getting rid of Hamas, its enemy from birth.

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I really fail to see why Israel should be under any obligation to open its border with a terrorist government that vows its destruction. Calling for an end to the "blockade" (which Hamas brought upon itself through non-stop rocket attacks and is also backed by Egypt on their border) is basically the same as asking to make it easier for suicide bombers to get in to Israel to blow up more school buses.

I also find it interesting that the apologists fail to acknowledge that approximately 75% of the Palestinians killed have been members of the Hamas government. Unlike the Hamas terrorists, Israel makes considerable effort to avoid civilian casualties.

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Hamas have assigned themselves the role of (false) martyrs, maybe hoping to get the support from all Arabs nations. But will they get that support for being responsible for the violence that kills the Palestinian people?

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"Hamas have assigned themselves the role of (false) martyrs, maybe hoping to get the support from all Arabs nations. But will they get that support for being responsible for the violence that kills the Palestinian people?" How uninformed can you get, presto345? On Nov 5 when Obama won the election CNN, that number two gospel of American truth, noted that Israel broke the truce by killing people in Gaza. Israel is (1) terrified that an Obama administration will curtail its butchery, (2) having an election on Feb 10 and its politicians are trying to look tough to the electorate, and (3) Israel is softening world opinion up to accept an attack on Iran, another fictitious enemy. This savagery has absolutely NOTHING to do with rockets. Get the bigger picture!

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Just stop the rockets and the offensive will end and the borders will open up again.

Who could possibly be against that?

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To say "Just stop the rockets and the offensive will end and the borders will open up again. Who could possibly be against that?" is to display your obvious bias or lack of knowledge.

But to answer "who could possibly be against that?" Why, Israel of course! They've had six decades to permit a peaceful, prosperous and co-existent Palestinian state, and they have instead chosen to commit genocide. In the latest incident, they had a truce. Israel broke it!

The truce had lasted for 6 months until November 4th when Israel imposed the blockade, stopping food, fuel, money, and medicine from entering Gaza. Then one day later Israel attacked Gaza and killed 6 Hamas officials. Then, according to the United Nations, Israel broke their own 48 hour cease fire when they stared bombing Gaza.

If the “Holocaust” justified the creation of the state of Israel, then the current day treatment of Palestinians–which is ten times worse than the holocaust–justifies the eradication of the so-called state of Israel. ("Not supporting the State of 'Israel' does not make one, in any way, less of a friend of the Jewish people and most certainly does not label one an anti-semite." Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss)

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USARonin: "SmithinJapan, Hamas murdered the elected Palestinian government in Gaza and then began rocketin' Japan."

You never even bothered to look at my post, let alone answer it. Hamas has said it is open to doing anything to stop the attacks, which would include a stop to rocket firing. How can they 'knock it off' when the ball is now in Israel's court? What's more, the ball has oft been in their court since they broke the cease-fire to begin with, several times, not to mention the damage done with the blockade.

What most of you who are blindly siding with Israel forget is that peace is not a one-way street. As said, the ball is in Israel's court. With the ball in their court, how can they demand Hamas give them the ball? How can any of you?

Oh, and USARonin, did you forget the Hamas government is an elected one? They didn't murder the Palestinian government to get into power, my friend. You're a little more unstable than usual, today.

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Israel has been radicalized by the six thousand rockets Hamas has fired at their schools and homes since forcing Israelis out of Gaza. The entire international community denounces this disproportionate triumphalism on the part of Hamas.

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Just stop the rockets and the offensive will end and the borders will open up again.

If Israel gives up the territory it stole from its neighbors, the rockets will stop. Israel worked mighty fast in acquiring in those six days in 1967 and has been as slow as Moses walking in molasses since then in terms of giving back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

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I also find it interesting that the apologists fail to acknowledge that approximately 75% of the Palestinians killed have been members of the Hamas government.

Gee, are they killing the accountants and desk clerks too? I think you mean Hamas militants?

I finally got a figure for the number of Israelis killed by Qassam rocket attacks: 15 since 2001 until May 2008. Several more deaths since then. 8 killed by mortar attacks from Gaza but not sure of the time frame. At any rate it hardly compares to 430 (and counting) deaths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks

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Look.

The proportionaity argument is BS. You can't ask Israel to sit by while its citizens are in danger. Have you any idea what it is like to live in terror? To know that at any moment a rocket could end your life? That is not life.

I don't agree with the scale of israel's action's here, but what do you want them to to do? Gaza is so populated that any action = civilian casualties. That's without the fact that Hamas stores its munitions in mosques, uses ambulances as military transports, and fires rockets from residential areas. Should the Israeli's just roll over?

My question is: "Where is the Palestinian Ghandi?" If nonviolent resistance would be effective anywhere, it is Israel - one of the most vibrant democracies in the worlds. The Israeli's are not monsters; Crazy Zionists aside, they just want to exist. But Hamas's fundimental position is that the Jews need to be completely wiped out. How can you negociate with that?

If peace is ever to be achieved, both sides will need to learn to live together. Bu the fanatical pro and anti Israel posts on this board are helping no one.

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Israel thinks the Gaza strip is full of bum boys and stooges.

They treat them worse than animals. Reminds me of a certain film , where humans were transported by cattle tracks.

I and all person of moral decency are disgusted by the Israeli use of deadly force.

Many Israeli's also agree with me, but their voices are ignored by the elite. Israel even bans news station that do not agree with its policy of Mid East (secret nuke bases off limits of course).

Over 200 women and children have died in this latest Israeli massacre, i didn'T realise these type of people were Hamas militia.

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Wait... for one moment. Think. These people have men amongst them. men who believe in what they see as an injustice, a wrong. What do men do when pushed into a corner? Only true stupidity, ignorance or an inability to not question what is and how it is portrayed... could truly leave you totally on either side; and only those qualities would leave you to believe that a nation would simply fold and disappear. Wake up. Be intelligent: either one or the other destroys the other or they talk, reason and conclude to each others satisfaction.

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But Hamas's fundimental position is that the Jews need to be completely wiped out. How can you negociate with that?

I guess the first step is to recognize Hamas' fundamental position, WHICH IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT what you have stated.

Hamas' most fundamental position does seem intractable, but what Middle Eastern position ISN'T? Beginning barter from a such a position IS IN THEIR BLOOD. But in the end they negotiate just like everybody else. Hamas has made offers at odds with their charter. But what is new in the M.E.? This kind of crap is everyday for them.

If nonviolent resistance would be effective anywhere, it is Israel

Ya think? Since 1967 Israel has occupied land that is not theirs. They pushed outside of their borders first. How do you negotiate with an adamant occupier that just won't go home?

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Gee, are they killing the accountants and desk clerks too? I think you mean Hamas militants?

I finally got a figure for the number of Israelis killed by Qassam rocket attacks: 15 since 2001 until May 2008. Several more deaths since then. 8 killed by mortar attacks from Gaza but not sure of the time frame. At any rate it hardly compares to 430 (and counting) deaths.

So did I about Israel victims

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisraelsum.html

You do know that all these stats on both sides HAVE NAMES to go with the numbers.

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You can't ask Israel to sit by while its citizens are in danger.

No. But I can insist they go home rather than drop bombs.

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So did I about Israel victims

Man, I am having trouble think of what to say! One part wants to laugh. Another to cry. Another to lash out.

You cannot drag terrorist deaths from 1948 into this. (And what are they calling terrorism from that time?) How are you pinning that on those in the Gaza strip, who were occupied for so long and only got independence 3 years ago!

I know Hamas and others in the Gaza strip are responsible for terrorist attacks on Israelis. But general stats on terror in Israel can hardly be laid at the feet of one group and used as an excuse to bomb them.

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Umm

You said.....

If Israel gives up the territory it stole from its neighbors, the rockets will stop. Israel worked mighty fast in acquiring in those six days in 1967 and has been as slow as Moses walking in molasses since then in terms of giving back.

And then

You cannot drag terrorist deaths from 1948 into this. (And what are they calling terrorism from that time?) How are you pinning that on those in the Gaza strip, who were occupied for so long and only got independence 3 years ago!

I am little confused..... Can I bring History into this or not?

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Triumvere: "If peace is ever to be achieved, both sides will need to learn to live together. Bu the fanatical pro and anti Israel posts on this board are helping no one."

Bingo!! That's what I've been saying all along, and to be fair that's what most people 'on the Palestinian side' have also been saying. The problem is, it seems when you do not stick up for Israel 100% you are automatically somehow in favour of the rocket firing, which is ludicrous. BOTH need to work on a solution to get the cease fire going again, and BOTH need to work to keep it a cease-fire.

One thing that DOES bother me, though, more than a lot of others is that, if you and I and most people on here know that both sides have to work at it, why is it the president of the US, and therefore US foreign policy, declare that this is squarely on Hamas? When asked directly whether he thought Israel has not overreacted, why did bush avoid the question completely? Why did he say Israel has no blame in any of this?

It seems ridiculous that the leader of the supposedly most powerful country on earth would simply stand by and think this is 100% on the shoulders of one group. Hamas most certainly does need to stop firing rockets COMPLETELY, but they can't do ANYTHING until Israel holds off a bit and allows for people to come in and help with the process of a cease-fire.

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I am little confused..... Can I bring History into this or not?

Correctly applied you can bring in all you want. But you cannot make it seem like Gaza strip is responsible for all the terror deaths in Israel from 1948 with thin stats. What you presented does not even give us an idea of Gaza strip's responsibility since they were de-occupied. In other words, what you presented was both inaccurate to the question at hand and misleading. If there is some relavant nugget in there, please point it out.

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Bingo!! That's what I've been saying all along, and to be fair that's what most people 'on the Palestinian side' have also been saying. The problem is, it seems when you do not stick up for Israel 100% you are automatically somehow in favour of the rocket firing, which is ludicrous.

I feel the same way. If I could I would put BOTH groups on two separate planets so we never have to hear their crap again.

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If the militants stop the rocket fire then Israel will stop the offensive and the borders will start to open up again.

Any other talk is mostly just a waste of time.

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DXXP:

" So who were the bad guys in palastine before hamas. Never ever is it the jews fault. "

Nope, it isn`t. Israel is not sworn to wipe its neighbours off the map; it is the muslim neighours who want to destroy the Jewish state.

" Pushed them on to tiney palastines in what was once their country. "

Read some history before spouting. Before Israel was established, Palestine was a British protectorate, with both Jewish and muslim populations.

Moderator: Readers, no more history lessons please.

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The US should just double dip and sell their weapons to the Palestinians as well. Then at least both sides would be armed equally instead of one group threatening with nukes while the other shoots little fire crackers. Arm them both and make whatever happens into a fair fight at least. I'm sick of seeing people fight tanks with sling shots. That is not a war that is a massacre waiting to happen.

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Hamas is not, nor were they ever, the issue here. It has NOTHING to do with cheap rockets flying from either Gaza of South Lebanon. It's about Iran! And, just on cue, the Israeli news outlet Haaretz announces this very fact today, after Shabath prayers in Jerusalem finished. Israel is terrified that Obama will not back them up to the unquestioning hilt the same way President Cheney and his side-kick GW Bush did. They have to strike now, and provide (1) a tough image for their electioneering politicians, and (2) force the US's hand into fighting for "israel" against their imagined enemy, soon to be ousted Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. Doesn't matter to "israel" who dies to achieve that objective.

Moderator: It is not necessary to put quotation marks around Israel.

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Well looks like Israeli troops just crossed over into Gaza...

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What most of you who are blindly siding with Israel forget is that peace is not a one-way street.

Yeah, it is a one-way street. You don't negotiate with internationally recognized Islamic terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, etc. You destroy them. Hamas has zero say it what happens here. Israel needs to do whatever is necessary. Peace with Hamas - what a joke to even suggest it.

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And apparently, they'll have some surprises awaiting them, according to a Hamas text message sent yesterday to the IOF troops amassed. See the text here: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3648799,00.html

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The US should just double dip and sell their weapons to the Palestinians as well. Then at least both sides would be armed equally instead of one group threatening with nukes while the other shoots little fire crackers. Arm them both and make whatever happens into a fair fight at least. I'm sick of seeing people fight tanks with sling shots.

Umm, no. That would just be stupid. That would be like saying, lets give all criminals a gun and the address of their lawyer, prosecuter, judges, and victims. That way its fair. You don't give people whose only desire is to kill others weapons. Israel on the other hand has shown a ton of restraint.

How many rockets would Hamas have to shoot at you and your family before you take action? They put up with it for months and months. Hamas not getting the response they wanted kept escalating. Now they're getting the response. Its hard to empathize with a people whose sworn desire is to exterminate Israel. I feel a great deal of pity for the people of Gaza. If all the members of Hamas were to drop dead tomorrow of Heart attacks, Gaza would suddenly become peaceful. Israel would have no reason to attack them, they would re-open the borders etc. No matter how much I look at this, the only people to blame in this are the terrorists. Although when it comes right down to it, the Palestinians have to take responsibility for supporting them, and allowing them to become the voice of their people.

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"If all the members of Hamas were to drop dead tomorrow of Heart attacks, Gaza would suddenly become peaceful. Israel would have no reason to attack them, they would re-open the borders etc." God bless your innocence and naivete, Molenir. You have missed one key piece of the puzzle here. "israel" is literally hell-bent on destroying every single man, woman and child who would dare to lay claim to even one square centimetre of what they consider to be 'their' land. All of the people who claim Palestinian ancestry will have to die, preferably violent deaths at "israeli" hands to bring "israeli" aggression to a halt. Then, they'd find another group to kill. That is the nature of the "israeli b6e6a6st"

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This is naked aggression by the Israelis. It is not about rocket fire but more about destroying Hamas and harassing the civilian population. Israel has targeted civilian infrastructure, for example schools, dept education, government buildings, hospitals etc.

What is laughable is that the Israeli army is telling the civilian population to stay out of the way. Where are they going to go to get out of the way. They are encircled, have no heating or electricity and is in pitch dark.

Israel will ultimately fail and Hamas will emerge stronger with broader support. Hamas is a grass roots movement that is essentially part and parcel of Palestinian life in Gaza. You cannot apply a military solution to address a grass root political movement.

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Breakin' News: Israeli ground forces have begun their move in to Gaza.

Hamas failed to knock if off even after 24-hours heads-up warning from the Israeli government that this would be the next step if they didn't.

Please stop yer whinin', my friend.

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I hear Hamas has promised the gates of hell in this ground war

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"I hear Hamas has promised the gates of hell in this ground war."

Yeah, yeah, yeah... blah, blah, blah...

-Heard it all before for years.

Change the channel.

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I hear Hamas has promised the gates of hell in this ground war

Backs up my position that Middle Easterners voice the impossible as a matter of culture.

Backs up smith's position that many on the pro-Israel side childishly hold on the tenet of "with me or against me" and can't see anything else. Maybe they think Israel "liberated" West Bank and East Jerusalem from a brutal dictator, and that makes everything ok?

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Molenir: The question should be, how long should the Palestinian people endure the disgrace and humiliation that is the occupation?

The Rockets are symptomatic of Palestinian suffering, the inevitable outcome of concentration camp style conditions, in which all control of their society, land, movement have been appropriated. If this is not apartheid then please tell me what this is?

And just imagine what would be happening today if the UN had granted Israel a homeland in the heart of Africa, a place that they had considered but changed at the last moment.

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likeitis,

"I guess the first step is to recognize Hamas' fundamental position, WHICH IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT what you have stated."

I have seen no evidence of this. Hamas' central goal is still the destruction of Israel... the guy the Israelis just blew up (along with his 4 wives and 9 children) was a major ideological leader who adamantly believed that the Jews were cursed by God and needed to be wiped out, and said the only reason for a cease fire was in order to "prepare for the final battle." If you think Hamas is about to pull a PLO, then you need to show me some evidence.

If nonviolent resistance would be effective anywhere, it is Israel

Ya think? Since 1967 Israel has occupied land that is not theirs. They pushed outside of their borders first. How do you negotiate with an adamant occupier that just won't go home?

Now, the difference is, if by "their land" you mean "Palestine", then there isn't anywhere for the Israelis to go home to. Which brings me back to the original point: neither side is just going to dissapear, so there must be compromise. The Jewish "settlers" are a vocal minority in Israeli. I think that a nonviolent resistance movement would be able to turn Israeli public opinion against them. It would also negate the need for all thesecurity checkpoints and fences which you see as such a massive affront to Palestinian "dignity" (and which the Israelis see, not incorrectly as the only thing preventing them from blowing up at shopping malls).

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How uninformed can you get, presto345

LibertasI don't really appreciate the way you respond to my and other posts here; the 'I know all' tone. We write comments here. Hamas is a terrorist organization bent on destroying the state of Israel. I suppose the rockets were meant to celebrate the New Year?

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