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Israel on alert after Iranian threat as Gaza war grinds on

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The war in Gaza "continues at full force ". says Netanyahu.

Israel cant even defeat a non state group of resistance fighters.

Having bombed an Embassy, Israel now reverses victim and offender and warns Iran.

US foolishly continues to pay the piper without understanding how the world has moved away from support of Israel.

Really need some new thinking from US leadership.

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Biden said that "it's now up to Hamas, they need to move on the proposal that's been made".

Exactly. Israel has offered terms for a ceasefire, if Hamas wants the conflict to stop they need to accept

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Iran is "threatening to launch a significant attack on Israel," U.S. President Joe Biden said Wednesday, pledging "ironclad" support for its top regional ally despite diplomatic tensions over Israel's military conduct in Gaza.

Don't care much for Iran but Israel did break all international rules and what it did can easily be considered an act of war!

So if missiles fall on Israel it is it's fault and the USA needs to stay out and mind it own business!

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US foolishly continues to pay the piper without understanding how the world has moved away from support of Israel.

...and NATO and G8 and...

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JboneInTheZone

Today 08:07 am JST

Biden said that "it's now up to Hamas, they need to move on the proposal that's been made".

> Exactly. Israel has offered terms for a ceasefire, if Hamas wants the conflict to stop they need to accept

What offer was that?

Oh you mean give use (Israel) everything we asked for and nothing in return?

Not much of a deal bizar terms!

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Really need some new thinking from US leadership.

They need some think period!

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Oh you mean give use (Israel) everything we asked for and nothing in return?

No, but thanks for proving you actually don’t look into anything you say.

“Earlier on Monday, two Egyptian security sources and state-run Al-Qahera News said some progress had been made in the Cairo talks. They said both sides had made concessions that could lead to a deal for a three-stage truce, with the release of any remaining Israeli hostages and a long-term ceasefire addressed in the second stage.”

Here I’ll repeat it again for you:

both sides had made concessions

So again, and like always, you are wrong and don’t know the facts

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Israel attacked the Iranian Embassy. A clear breach of international law.

I believe what happens next is commonly known as the 'find out' phase, and is a quip commonly thrown around by Israel supporters regarding what happened to Gaza after October 7th.

Personally I think Iran should do nothing at all. Not because I support what Israel did, but because it would send a very clear message about who the "rogue state" really is.

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I believe what happens next is commonly known as the 'find out' phase

You’re definitely right there but I think we disagree on who would be ‘finding out’

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Iran won't do anything. They are like a chihuahua - their bark is loud but their bite is nothing. All the madmen running the place are good at is oppressing, jailing and hating on women.

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JboneInTheZone

Today 08:18 am JST

both sides had made concessions

> So again, and like always, you are wrong and don’t know the facts

You forgot to point out the so-called "concessions" Israel made, let's see all hostages return and 2 weeks ceasefire and maybe more negotiation!

Not much of a concession!

Oh and quoting Reuters a massive pro Israeli news service is not much different than quoting Israeli government!

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You’re definitely right there but I think we disagree on who would be ‘finding out’

I think you are confused with that other common saying "Get attacked, get justifiably angry about it, then get attacked again".

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Biden said he had told Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu that "our commitment to Israel's security against these threats from Iran and its proxies is ironclad". "We warned Iran," Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told a briefing without elaborating.

If only the White House could show at least a fraction of such "ironclad" support and commitment to the human rights of Gaza civilians instead of continuing to supply IDF with the bombs and missiles to continue slaughtering tens of thousands women and children. But no.

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I do not think Israel will stop until they recover all hostage. Any other country would do the same if they care about their citizen.

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Really need some new thinking from US leadership. They need some think period!

They need new leadership, period.

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TOTAL FAILURE,

This is what this mission was and still is.

Netanyahu handling of this Genocide was Ugly, and a despicable act of revenge.

The hostages could have all been released in during the first Ceasefire agreement, but Netanyahu and his war Thugs thought they could accomplish more by killing as many Palestinians as possible which they did but accomplished NOTHING.

No hostages in hand, Hamas still kicking the IDF's A$$., Israel's economy is in a shambles and Israel is isolated more than ever.

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You forgot to point out the so-called "concessions" Israel made, let's see all hostages return and 2 weeks ceasefire and maybe more negotiation!

The details of the negotiations haven’t been made public yet but independent analysts have said Israel has made concessions, so this idea that Israel isn’t making concessions is based completely in fantasy.

Oh and quoting Reuters a massive pro Israeli news service is not much different than quoting Israeli government!

Im not “quoting Reuters”, the information comes from Egyptian security sources and state-run Al-Qahera News. Are they pro-Israel too? Any other excuses you want to make for being wrong?

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I think you are confused with that other common saying "Get attacked, get justifiably angry about it, then get attacked again".

No, I’m thinking of the pretty common historical theme of your country getting glassed if you decide to attack an ally of the U.S.

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If only the White House could show at least a fraction of such "ironclad" support and commitment to the human rights of Gaza civilians instead of continuing to supply IDF with the bombs and missiles to continue slaughtering tens of thousands women and children. But no.

Israeli policy is US policy. Israel can get away with literal murder, because the US has done exactly the same, often worse, and suffered no consequences. People aren't stupid, no-one wants to be part of a global dictatorship.

Multipolar world order here we come.

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Iran leadership are too smart to take that bait and attack Israel, NOT gonna happen.

But what will happen is the continued unlimited support to all it's Proxy's around Israel which seems to be working.

Israel is fighting Iran and "it's backers" proxy's on two major fronts with no end in sight, similar to what happened during U.S. Iraq war where a constant flow of arms was pouring into Iraq for almost 9 years.

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Iran leadership are too smart to take that bait and attack Israel, NOT gonna happen.

Let them stew for a bit. TBH id be far more concerned about a preemptive strike from Israel.

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Really need some new thinking from US leadership.

The problem for the US body politic is that so many christians in the US think Israel starting Armageddon is necessary for the second coming of christ. Any barbarity on the part of the government of Israel is not just forgiven but encouraged as in their twisted minds it hastens the end days and their salvation.

So not all US politicians believe this tripe but enough of them do to basically chain US foreign policy to this ridiculous religious vision. Politicians ignore or openly challenge this at great peril as doing so will alienate a lot of voters.

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The Israelis and friends are all up to their necks in criminal enterprise, but when will the arrest warrants for the usual suspects come? The Germans, as the second biggest arms supplier, are the low-hanging rotten fruit that should be charged first before moving up the chain with indictments for the principal perpetrators. My sense of reality tells me this scenario is just wishful thinking since human laws are no more than tools and weapons of ruling elites and the law when commanded will always hang its head and go on bended knee to power.

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The problem for the US body politic is that so many christians in the US think Israel starting Armageddon is necessary for the second coming of christ. 

Oh, please.

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The problem for the US body politic is that so many christians in the US think Israel starting Armageddon is necessary for the second coming of christ. 

Oh, please.

He isnt kidding

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He isnt kidding

How many people in the U.S. hold that belief?

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Interesting to compare some disparate facts about Iran and Israel.

Irans population is 88 million {2022 }, Israel population 99.55 million {2022 }

88% of Irans exports were oil and natural gas.

Israels top import was...wait for it...DIAMONDS...$7.3 billion in 2022.

Iran's lead import was food and related.

Iran is one of the oldest civilisations in the middle east.

Israel dates back to...1948.

Iran has been demonised by shallow thinkers in the west, and by neo cons in the USA. {See, for example, "The Plot to Attack Iran "

Israel has been idealised by the same groups as above.

If push came to shove, Iran would defeat Israel in a conflict.

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Fighto!Today  08:28 am JST

Iran won't do anything. They are like a chihuahua

Remind us who is in Washington DC pandering at the moment?

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If push came to shove, Iran would defeat Israel in a conflict.

In your hypothetical are we also taking into account allied nations getting involved?

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Desert Tortoise is right about wacko Christians in the USA defending Israel.

It''s a funny narrative because the belief is when the Messiah {Christ for Christians } returns, the Jews of Israel are then supposed to convert to Christianity.

For Jewish Israelis, this is preposterous, although they do await an arrival of the Messiah in their terms {not Christ, who Jews do not see as a son of God }.

America's support of Israel is based on this PLUS Jewish billionaires backing whatever party and policy is good for Israel with lots of funding.

And funding opposition to those it believes are not following the pro Israel script.

All this is being changed since the world started seeing how Israel conducts its war on civilians.

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Correction : Israel population around 9.5 million...{not 99.5 million and curse this sticky keyboard }

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Allied nations getting involved ?

Well, look at a map, consider what nations are around Israel {Tuurkey...NATO member }, what nations dont recognise Israel, but recognise Palestine and nations like China would tread the middle line.

So not a good base for Israel to attack Iran.

Google how big is Iran's armed forces and compare that to Israel's reservist army.

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Well, look at a map, consider what nations are around Israel {Tuurkey...NATO member }, what nations dont recognise Israel, but recognise Palestine and nations like China would tread the middle line.

What makes you think Iran would win in any way if nobody is going to jump in on their side? The U.S. would immediately jump in to aid Israel and it would be over

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The problem for the US body politic is that so many christians in the US think Israel starting Armageddon is necessary for the second coming of christ.

How many?

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JboneInTheZone

Today 10:02 am JST

Well, look at a map, consider what nations are around Israel {Tuurkey...NATO member }, what nations dont recognise Israel, but recognise Palestine and nations like China would tread the middle line.

> What makes you think Iran would win in any way if nobody is going to jump in on their side? The U.S. would immediately jump in to aid Israel and it would be over

Would that be before or after it jumps in to aid Ukraine, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan etc....

USA has pledged to aid all of them but can't even supply Ukrainian with ammunition!

USA admits it won't even be able to produce half the amount of ammunition Russia is presently producing until 2025.

USA "predictions" were it would take Russia 10 years to replace its losses but oops now they admit that Russia has already done so and more!

So I wouldn't put much confidence in what the USA says or pledges even to Israel because lately it doesn't have a good track record.

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Would that be before or after it jumps in to aid Ukraine

Do you think Ukraine / US relations were as strong as Israel / US relations are?

Even if I grant you that, Ukraine was a lot weaker militarily than Israel and Russia is a lot stronger militarily than Iran. Russia hasn’t been able to defeat Ukraine thanks to U.S. support, so your point is kind of moot.

USA has pledged to aid all of them but can't even supply Ukrainian with ammunition!

USA admits it won't even be able to produce half the amount of ammunition Russia is presently producing until 2025.

USA "predictions" were it would take Russia 10 years to replace its losses but oops now they admit that Russia has already done so and more!

None of this is relevant to a hypothetical Iran / Israel conflict. In such an event the U.S. wouldn’t relegate itself to a supporting role but would actively be involved in combat with Iran. This isn’t the same thing that’s happening in Ukraine.

I don’t understand why you’re bringing up Russia it doesn’t apply to a war with Iran.

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The problem for the US body politic is that so many christians in the US think Israel starting Armageddon is necessary for the second coming of christ. Any barbarity on the part of the government of Israel is not just forgiven but encouraged as in their twisted minds it hastens the end days and their salvation.

So not all US politicians believe this tripe but enough of them do to basically chain US foreign policy to this ridiculous religious vision.

That sure is some off the wall twisted thinking, trying to justify supporting the Gaza genocide by this interpretation. As you say its also insane this interpretation influences US foreign policy on this.

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Israel on alert after Iranian threat as Gaza war grinds on

Eleven different Arab countries have tried to attack and defeat Israel in the last 75 years,

All have been defeated each time.

Well, look at a map, consider what nations are around Israel {Tuurkey...NATO member }, what nations dont recognise Israel, but recognise Palestine and nations like China would tread the middle line.

I'm looking at the map and I'm seeing zero Arab countries that would aid Iran in an attack on Israel.

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Israel has a small population and is currently before the ICJ...Taiwan produces most of the worlds micro chips.

Israel exports what ?

Israel would START any war with Iran...that's an issue for any supporters seeking to jump in.

USA cant be everywhere ...I'd say it'd come down to supporting Taiwan as a thwarting measure to China.

Where's the benefit in supporting Israel ?

Just asking ?

Would US risk its imports of oil from ME countries that have zero tolerance for Israel. ?

Ooh...many questions to answer...over to you Bone.

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zibala

Today 10:59 am JST

Israel on alert after Iranian threat as Gaza war grinds on

> Eleven different Arab countries have tried to attack and defeat Israel in the last 75 years,

Give it a rest!

The last time was 1973, the world is a very different place, the surrounding militaries are very different.

I'm looking at the map and I'm seeing zero Arab countries that would aid Iran in an attack on Israel.

And I look at the same map and see zero neighbours of Israel willing to help it!

To be exact most wouldn't help Iran but would hinder Israel!

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How many people in the U.S. hold that belief?

I've been hearing this from so-called "born again" Christians since I was a kid. Pentacostles most definitely preach this (they also teach that the idea the government derives its powers from the consent of the governed to be "rebellion against god"). If you haven't lived among Americans in the south east these ideas might seem ridiculous but in the south, the Midwest and parts of the west these ideas predominate.

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That sure is some off the wall twisted thinking, trying to justify supporting the Gaza genocide by this interpretation. As you say its also insane this interpretation influences US foreign policy on this.

Please read a book by titled "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power" if you want to further your understanding of what drives many aspects of us domestic and foreign policy. It is an eye opener.

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Find out who Abram Vereide was and who Doug Coe is and what those two represent to understand what I tell you is true.

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When Russian targets civilians in Ukraine no one raises their voice but when Hamas says Israel killed some civilians everyone jumps up and down. What hypocrites. This is war and civilians will die. Get over it. Israel is not targeting civilians, Hamas is using them as shields. There is no one over voting age in Palestine who is innocent of war crimes. They voted Hamas into power and supported them in their atrocities and now they are reaping the price of their atrocities and they whine about receiving their just desserts. It is like as if the Nazis had complained that the allies bombing their cities was unfair. Israel has shown a lot more restraint than I would if I were in their position. Every structure over a tunnel in Palestine should have been targeted with a bunker buster bomb.

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@Donald Taylor, General Mattis was no coward and has plenty of successful combat experience, but he might just understand something very basic that you miss and this quote sums it up.

"If in order to kill the enemy you have to kill an innocent, don't take the shot. Don't create more enemies than you take out by some immoral act."

Israel has created enemies it didn't have to create by its own callous and barbarous treatment of the Palestinian people since occupying their land in 1967. The US, by comparison, was magnanimous to its former enemies after WWII, even helped them rebuild their economies and their governments and as a result can count both Japan and Germany as friends and allies.

General Mattis was adamant that his Marines treat the locals with respect and only go after the bad guys. Later on when the US had to help the Iraqi government fight IS in Iraq, it was the US effort to cultivate the leaders of Sunni tribes and make them allies in the fight against IS when IS was courting them as enemies against the Shiites governing Iran that allowed IS to be defeated there. Just flattening towns and treating everyone as an enemy only guarantees there will never be peace.

Many, perhaps most of the residents of Gaze are sick and tired of Hamas. Yes they voted for them once because the PA is corrupt and seen as nothing more than an adjunct of the Israeli government. But that was a long time ago and the residents of Gaza have not had an opportunity to vote since then. Israel could have probably found some allies against Hamas if they had gone that route early in their campaign before they destroyed so much. Now that possibility is probably, sadly, foreclosed.

Israel is not going to win this war just as it failed to win its 2006 war against Hezbollah. Israel might be lucky to survive this as an intact nation.

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If in order to kill the enemy you have to kill an innocent, don't take the shot. Don't create more enemies than you take out by some immoral act."

A good and wise quote.

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