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Israel orders evacuations as it widens offensive but Palestinians are running out of places to go

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I cant summarise this video in a short enough format, but I recommend everyone who still believes and repeat the lies about Israel trying to minimise civilian casualties to watch it. It is about 15 minutes long and it contains information sourced from Israeli military intelligence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvJxI9nCr1k

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And another point, which I didnt get round to yesterday before comments were closed.

To anyone blaming the people of Palestine for voting for Hamas, note that Hamas came in to power in 2006, and the voting age is 18. This means that to have been able to vote for Hamas you would now have to be 35 years old. Most recent surveys show that the approximately 65% of the Gazan population is under 25. Im not sure how many are under 35, but its probably at least somewhere between 66-75%. When you add in the number of people who didnt vote, you can see how ridiculous this idea of collective punishment is.

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Strange no-one wants to take Palestinians, if they support them so much them why Egypt and other countries won't take them to their countries?

Yes why dont Jordan and Lebanon take them. They only took thousands upon thousands of refugees from Iraq and Syria already. Or how about Egypt, not like they took thousands and thousands of regugees from Iraq Syria, AND wartorn Africa already. Not like any of these countries have preexisting economic and political problems of their own. Not like they are terrified that allowing refugees in would result in Israel using it as an excuse to expand operations beyond Israels borders.

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In the north of Palestine, It look like Hezbollah are flogging the IDF who have their tails between their leg retreating fast and Galilee will soon be in Hezbollah hand. Hoo Hah Hezbollah.

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The only way for this ethnic cleansing to end is a regional conflict. Unfortunately when that happens, all hell will break loose and we might see a world war.

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Reaping what you sowed,have Jews learned from their own persecution,that thing are not gonna turn out good for them international,when the the world as a whole seek retribution against them

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Biden do.not have the sense left,that thing are not gonna turn out good for him politically unless he throws Israel under the bus, Muslim and Arabs are pissed off at him politically

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This blanket bombing should be stopped. It's not 'self defence' anymore.

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Some media reporting unusual activities on Israeli stockmarkets a few days before October attacks by Hamas. Short selling in securities and a profit overall of nearly a billion US dollars.

The attack as seemingly known to some before it occurred.

Here lies a conspiracy theory in the making....just as the US presumed the attack on Pearl Harbour would occur and offer a reason to enter the war....Israeli defence heads saw the Hamas attack as a chance to reclaim Gaza and expel//kill the population.

No. That is unthinkable.

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.Israeli defence heads saw the Hamas attack as a chance to reclaim Gaza and expel//kill the population.

Reports have shown that Israeli intelligence intercepted plans almost identical to those that were carried out on October 7th almost a years ago. It makes more sense that one of the most sophisticated intelligence operations in the world ignored the warnings, rather than they didnt know about them.

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War crimes ! The sooner Netanyahu is removed and sent to the Hague the better!

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Genocide

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Israel has rejected U.S. suggestions that control over postwar Gaza be handed over to the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority as part of a renewed effort to resolve the overall conflict by establishing a Palestinian state.

Spoken like true occupiers! (And what is the international scofflaw community and whose army is going to stop us?) "Greater Israel" is on the menu after they've reduced Gaza to rubble and call it "peace". Only the "Head Waiter", America, can refuse to serve up what will satisfy Netanyahu.

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I don,t think Dictator Net would make it to The Hague. He be long dead.

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The immediately surrounding Arab states encompass 1.3 million square miles. Surely, they could allow refugee safe haven temporarily to those that are currently in the 141 square miles of Gaza.

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To anyone blaming the people of Palestine for voting for Hamas, note that Hamas came in to power in 2006, and the voting age is 18. This means that to have been able to vote for Hamas you would now have to be 35 years old. Most recent surveys show that the approximately 65% of the Gazan population is under 25. Im not sure how many are under 35, but its probably at least somewhere between 66-75%. When you add in the number of people who didnt vote, you can see how ridiculous this idea of collective punishment is.

A 2023 poll showed at around 85% of Palestinians support Hamas continuing to play a role in the Palestinian government and that 3/4th of Palestinians support Hamas’ October 7th attack on Israel. The idea that Palestinians don’t overwhelmingly support Hamas is just false

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Either they exist Gaza into Egypt or they are going to dies. The situation is very clear now, Israel is planning to resettle their armed settlers in Gaza district. So the level of destruction or casualties doesn't matter to them.

Thank you America under Biden, history will always "Remember" your contributions!

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Larr Flint

Today 07:06 am JST

Strange no-one wants to take Palestinians, if they support them so much them why Egypt and other countries won't take them to their countries?

And why do you think they should? To help Israel with ethnic cleansing?!?!

Yes I know the western thinking all Arabs everyone in the middle east are the same just like all Asians, right?

The racist thinking, the ignorance of the west!

This is the same uninformed attitude that had Americans beating up Sikhs after 9/12 thinking anyone with a turban was Muslim!

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9/12 should read 9/11

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Reports have shown that Israeli intelligence intercepted plans almost identical to those that were carried out on October 7th almost a years ago. It makes more sense that one of the most sophisticated intelligence operations in the world ignored the warnings, rather than they didnt know about them.

Egyptian intelligence (Mukabarat) warned Israel of the attack well in advance. That was reported on in Arabic in Al Wafd News as well as Al Arabeya

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A 2023 poll showed at around 85% of Palestinians support Hamas continuing to play a role in the Palestinian government and that 3/4th of Palestinians support Hamas’ October 7th attack on Israel. The idea that Palestinians don’t overwhelmingly support Hamas is just false

You're talking about this poll ,right... A poll of less than 700 people.

https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023.pdf

From October 31 to November 7, Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD) surveyed 668 Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip

A poll that took place whilst the Genocide of the Gazan people was ongoing. I cannot fathom why these people may feel resentment towards Israel.

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Glad to see the IDF eliminating Hamas. They are helping the whole world by doing so. And if you ask the surrounding countries in private, they would agree. NOBODY wants Hamas to exist, except Hamas. The Gulf States and Saudi Arabia are happy to see Hamas disappear, as are Egypt and Jordan.

What Gaza needs are two things. First, aid money to help the people, not get funnelled to Hamas and their cronies. Money spent on education and infrastructure, not tunnels and rockets.

Second, a long term plan to de-radicalize the population. Thanks to UNRWA, an entire generation has been brainwashed by Hamas propaganda from the cradle to school to social media. This needs to stop.

There is no reason that Gaza cannot prosper. IF they make necessary social changes (such as respecting minority rights) and root out the evil in their midst.

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elephant200Today 09:33 am JST

Thank you America under Biden, history will always "Remember" your contributions!

You're welcome. You would always have come up with your own narrative anyways and it hasn't caused us a problem the last 75 years, either.

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You're talking about this poll ,right... A poll of less than 700 people.

Do you have a poll with more respondents that proves this one wrong? I’ll wait.

A poll that took place whilst the Genocide of the Gazan people was ongoing. I cannot fathom why these people may feel resentment towards Israel.

First of all, it isn’t a genocide. How does it match the criteria of a genocide? Second of all, the people of Gaza clearly felt resentment towards Israel prior to 10/7 as they elected the governing body that openly called for the destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews.

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Attilathehungry

Today 09:53 am JST

Nice repeating of Israeli propaganda, but reality isn't what it is or isn't what you say or what Israel says.

Here are the facts. Israel signed a peace agreement with the Palestinian authority and then broke every single part of that peace agreement. 114 settlements in the west bank. No more expansion. Oops! We are now at 279 settlements Moreland taken from the Palestinians with IDF backing.

The Palestinian authority has failed because Israel controls everything they want cement Israel decides how much they get. They want to build a water cistern with UN support Israel lets them build it and then blows it up. And you wonder why no one trusts Israel or the Palestinian authority anymore and why so many have gone towards Hamas.

You say that once this is over, Gaza needs help and aid to rebuild rebuild how you're supposed to rebuild. Israel will never let it just like it hasn't let the West Bank develop since Oslo.

This isn't apartheid system. Israel uses the Palestinians as cheap labor. It is created de facto "homelands" which the Palestinians leave work in Israel and have to return at night without any rights.

Israel will raid the West Bank or Gaza take anyone. They feel like hold them without trial without charges for months, years, even and no lawyer. No access to the outside. No charges again. This is state terrorism and state-sponsored racism state sponsored ethnic discrimination and now ethnic cleansing.

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Do you have a poll with more respondents that proves this one wrong? I’ll wait.

Thats not how it works.

the people of Gaza clearly felt resentment towards Israel prior to 10/7 as they elected the governing body that openly called for the destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews.

The last election was in 2006. You would have to be 35 to have been able to vote. 65% of the Gazan population is under 25. Id estimate between 65-75% are over 35. Of that 25-35% how many voted? "They" suddenly become a small % of the Gazan population.

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This isn't apartheid

Again autocorrect

Should read this "IS an" apartheid system

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Just looking at the news- it seems that there was a serious rocket attack in the north by Hezbollah. Don't know the extent of the damage yet.. but some reports are saying that it's the most serious attack since Oct 7.

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Thats not how it works.

Actually that’s exactly how it works. If you want to study the sentiment of populations you poll them. If you don’t have a bigger poll that contradicts the one I posted then you have no information to base your argument off on.

The last election was in 2006. You would have to be 35 to have been able to vote. 65% of the Gazan population is under 25. Id estimate between 65-75% are over 35. Of that 25-35% how many voted? "They" suddenly become a small % of the Gazan population.

And again you’re ignoring the poll that shows overwhelming support among Palestinians for Hamas. Can you post a poll that proves me wrong? You can’t so you’re bringing up irrelevant information

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Again autocorrect

Should read this "IS an" apartheid system

No you were right the first time, it isn’t apartheid.

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ChabbawangaToday  06:44 am JST

I cant summarise this video in a short enough format, but I recommend everyone who still believes and repeat the lies about Israel trying to minimise civilian casualties to watch it. It is about 15 minutes long and it contains information sourced from Israeli military intelligence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvJxI9nCr1k

 I didn’t watch the video but I read the article that it was based off of. Here it is.

https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/

Like I’ve said before, I don’t approve of the killings of civilians on any side. (funny how with most posters in these comments, the sentiment only seems to run in one direction) Nor do I like the more unrestrained bombing that Israel seems to have engaged in.

The sources for this article also state “Intelligence sources who spoke to +972 and Local Call similarly claimed that in many cases Hamas “deliberately endangers the civilian population in Gaza and tries to forcefully prevent civilians from evacuating.” Two sources said that Hamas leaders “understand that Israeli harm to civilians gives them legitimacy in fighting.”

If you are going to believe the claims by the sources about all the bombings, then we should also believe this. Logically that would make sense.

What would you have Israel do? No matter where they attack, there will be civilian casualties. Shall they do nothing? Hamas has already said that they will do this again and again. People forget that to this day, rockets are still being fired from Gaza. Also, their own people are still being held hostage. Shall they end the war, as requested by Hamas? (who started this?) Again, Hamas has said they will try this again and again. Shall they try for a 2-state solution again? (How many times has this been offered?) This is the most unrealistic one. Every time this kind of thing happens, Palestinian supporters cry for this, yet have rejected every offer. Also, the Hamas charter calls for the elimination of Israel. People always seem to forget this part. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Israel is damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

I have this feeling that a lot of posters seem to think that if Israel just conceded to every single demand from the Palestinians, that suddenly it would be some kind of paradise, with sunshine and lollypops everywhere for everyone. The naivete is quite astounding. Israel left Gaza. What happened? ( Hint…..rockets) I for one think they should leave the West Bank, and I'd like to see a 2-state solution, but I’d bet my house that the same thing would happen. Has it ever occured to anyone that the reason Israel is so heavy handed is because they know exactly what will happen to them if they aren't? (I don't support this, but I definitely understand it) Believe it or not, anti-Jewish sentiment is caked in the cultures of the Middle East.

As I’ve said multiple times, I don’t like the killing of civilians and I would like to see this resolved. The question is “How?” Most ideas I see put forth on this forum are idealistic clap-trap that don’t take reality into the equation. Hamas needs to give back the hostages and they need to surrender. When that happens, I will happily criticize Israel for whatever ill things they do.

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Like shooting in a barrel, with a shotgun

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IDF killing thousands of non combatants, mainly women and children....

8 weeks into the war, Hamas not defeated .

World's greatest army not doing very well are they ?

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JboneInTheZone

Today 10:29 am JST

Again autocorrect

> Should read this "IS an" apartheid system

> No you were right the first time, it isn’t apartheid.

Let's compare!

The Apartheid South Africa created "self rule" zones for blacks, the apartheid government controlled, water, power, construction, immigration, of those zones including police/army raids to arrest without charges any black person in those " autonomous" zones.

Blacks were permitted to enter white zones only for day labour if they had to remain overnight they had to sleep in designated hostels.

The black people had no say, no vote no rights.

Israel now!

It agreed to the Oslo agreement but then it continues to control all entry and exit, from supposed Palestinian autonomie zones, Israel controls immigration, Israel controls everything going in and out including construction materials, water, Power food. Isreali settlers have rights over Palestinians in PA zones, Palestinians are permitted into Israel as day labour but have no rights.

The IDF can arrest any Palestinian in the PA zones by force and detain them indefinitely without charges or trial, with lawyer.

Isreali settlers have killed over 600 Palestinians including old men in wheelchairs and not one has ever been charged.

All we needed to do was replace South Africa with Israel and black with Palestinians and it is exactly the same!

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In America we call the shooting fish in a barrel. Nothing honorable about it. At least let the women and children escape.

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Hamas needs to give back the hostages and they need to surrender. When that happens, I will happily criticize Israel for whatever ill things they do.

Absolutely appalling

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If no Gazan hated the Colonial power before they sure do now. Hamas is handing the IDF a flogging and a lesson in urban warfare. It been 2 months and at the beginning Dictator Net words were No crease Fire No Hostages negotiation. Yeah Nah. Over thousand dead IDF when you include the complete and utter demise in the North of Palestine to the IDF by Hezbollah. The IDF have killed many children and women but no Hamas warriors. The only one,s are dead civilian that IDF have dress up with a green sweat ban of Hamas as pretence of victory. The best that the Colonials can hope for now is a 2 state situation if only the Palestine population agrees.

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Absolutely appalling

Care to explain why?

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HamasISISIS and is the only to blame for this situation.

have you seen or heard about what Hamas did on October 7th? The murders. The rapes. Beheading babies. Shooting women, children, elderly and every person who stood in their way.

do you know there are still more than 130 civilians kept hostage in Gaza by HamasISISIS? Among these hostages, kids, elders, women and people who were just celebrating peace at the Nova festival on October 7th

did you hear the horrific stories from the hostages that came back home? How HamasISISIS made children to watch the videos from their body cams from October 7th? Showing them how they murdered, burnt and raped their families and neighbors? If the children had the courage to cry while watching these videos, HamasISISIS pointed a gun at them to be quiet.

did you know all that??!

educate yourself before blaming Israel for taking upon itself a world wide mission to eliminate these Nazis!

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What would you have Israel do? No matter where they attack, there will be civilian casualties.

That is the problem

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One of the biggest obstacles to peace is that only one side actually wants it. Hamas and their ilk are only interested in genocide. Which is why they must die. It is all relatively simple actually. "From the river to the sea" and all that mass murdering propaganda. There have been myriad offers of a two state solution, all of which were rejected by one side. They don't want to share the land, they want to kill.

Ask the Christians and Jews who are living in Palestinian controlled lands how great it is to live under Hamas/Palestinian Authority rule. Or indeed in any country in the middle east.

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That is the problem

Exactly, which is why Hamas should surrender and stop using them as human shields

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palestinians are running out of places to go...

Given the PLA/Hamas history, there immediate neighbours donot want them..further no country in ME wants them.. all they doing is making noise and nothing more.

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Gaza . . . The life and death of a failed state.

Hopefully, Gaza will be reborn and get another chance. The next time without being governed by a terrorist organization like Hamas, but first Hamas has to be eradicated.

The Israeli hostages have been tortured and have endured enough and must be released. They have been tortured long enough at the hands of this terrorist group out of Gaza. If all of the hostages were released, then the IDF could take its time and choke Hamas to death more slowly instead of being in such a hurry. However, the IDF is clearly working against the clock if it wants to retrieve its citizens alive who are being held hostage.

At the same time, both Egypt and Israel should open refugee camps on its borders with Gaza for the time being until the IDF has been cleared of Hamas fighters and stabilized. The IDF isn't going to stop while Hamas is torturing Israeli men, women and children captive underground. It's more like a crime scene than a war zone.

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Exactly, which is why Hamas should surrender and stop using them as human shields

Easy problem to solve. Exactly.

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Let's compare!

The Apartheid South Africa created "self rule" zones for blacks, the apartheid government controlled, water, power, construction, immigration, of those zones including police/army raids to arrest without charges any black person in those " autonomous" zones.

Blacks were permitted to enter white zones only for day labour if they had to remain overnight they had to sleep in designated hostels.

The black people had no say, no vote no rights.

Israel now!

It agreed to the Oslo agreement but then it continues to control all entry and exit, from supposed Palestinian autonomie zones, Israel controls immigration, Israel controls everything going in and out including construction materials, water, Power food. Isreali settlers have rights over Palestinians in PA zones, Palestinians are permitted into Israel as day labour but have no rights.

The IDF can arrest any Palestinian in the PA zones by force and detain them indefinitely without charges or trial, with lawyer.

Isreali settlers have killed over 600 Palestinians including old men in wheelchairs and not one has ever been charged.

All we needed to do was replace South Africa with Israel and black with Palestinians and it is exactly the same!

Lets look at the definition of South African apartheid:

(in South Africa) a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.

Now please point out where Israel discriminates purely on racial grounds. If you can’t, it isn’t apartheid.

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Back on topic please. South Africa is not relevant to this discussion.

Given the PLA/Hamas history, there immediate neighbours donot want them..further no country in ME wants them.. all they doing is making noise and nothing more.

Given israel's history, there immediate neighbours do not want them..further no country in ME wants them.. all they doing is making noise and nothing more.

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Cat Stevens

Today 10:54 am JST

Hamas needs to give back the hostages and they need to surrender. When that happens, I will happily criticize Israel for whatever ill things they do.

OK, and at the same time isreali needs to release the over 5,000 Palestinians held in isreali custody without charges, without access to Legal representation, without trial, and that were taken in raids by the IDF in the West Bank and in some cases with resistance by the PA police trying to stop the IDF in it's illegal activities!

You do realize that Israel has been kidnapping Palestinians for decades holding them for years and conducting secret "military" trials in some cases, releasing other without explanation after months and years, and holding others never saying why.

Hamas killed 1500 Israel before October 7th has killed over 6000 since 2009.

2500 during non conflict periods, 1000 in the west bank and half were women and children!

Where is your outrage over all that ? Or do Arab lives not count like Netanyahu believes.

Remember he has pledges long before October 7th to retake "all" historical Jewish land.

Remember his latest quote using the tora to kill ever man woman child and beast!

Netanyahu and his group have been in a genocide/ethnic cleansing mission from the start and he will not stop now!

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Just watch the last real news coming out of Palestine and Hamas states the Hostages will only be release when all of the Palestinian abductees and Martyrs are release nothing less. Hamas study their enemy for decades and knows Net reaction to a tee. They knew that Net would ignore the intel, That he will comment the IDF to a ground offensive on their home turf. Lured them into rubble of death. They estimated to the week when USA will do a 180 on policy and state for the two state deal. the Colonials are thinking now that the two state will have be implemented or find themselves at the mercy of the international community.

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If only there were any predominantly Muslim countries right next door that could take them in.

Oh, wait ...

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John, what "colonials" would that be? There hasn't been a Jew in Gaza since 2005. Gaza is not colonized.

Antiquie, a big difference between Hamas and the IDF. The IDF have not been even charged with rape or mutilation in this campaign. If an IDF soldier were to commit such a crime, they would be prosecuted. Hamas, on the other hand, celebrates and records themselves committing acts so heinous that they cannot be described here. Even the Nazis tried to cover up their crimes, Hamas celebrates them. And so do the people of Gaza.

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Anti : not small but 21%, one fifth of populace. Don,t think they are not organise after seeing Net genocidal reaction. The Colonial powers are coping a flogging from outside and inside eventually.

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The appalling atrocities by Hamas on Oct 6 do not justify the mass IDF bombing and destruction of Arab civilians.

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a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.

> Now please point out where Israel discriminates purely on racial grounds. If you can’t, it isn’t apartheid.

Ask Israeli Arab citizens!

Note that Israel military doesn't take Arabs they are not subject to military duty, and even if they voluntarily join it is a long and difficult process with most being rejected, Arabs are kept out of certain jobs, security,

But perhaps you should get informed

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel#:~:text=Arab%20citizens%20have%20the%20same,experts%20attribute%20to%20structural%20discrimination.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

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John-San

Today 12:16 pm JST

Anti : not small but 21%, one fifth of populace. Don,t think they are not organise after seeing Net genocidal reaction. The Colonial powers are coping a flogging from outside and inside eventually

What colonial powers? You mean the Europeans who came and took over the land of the Arabs that colonial power people like Netanyahu?

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Attilathehungry

Today 12:09 pm JST

Antiquie, a big difference between Hamas and the IDF. The IDF have not been even charged with rape or mutilation in this campaign.

Yes they have, many times by the PA and UN, only problem is Israel will not and does not!

Not even illegal settlers are charged, in one documented case, illegal settlers killed an old man in a wheelchair, burned his house down took his farming land and nothing was ever done, not a single settler has ever been charged in over 600 killings of Palestinians in the west bank, and when Palestinian authority police try to investigate or arrest them the IDF will stop them.

On video children killed in East Jerusalem not armed not throwing stones and nothing happened to the IDF who killed them!

Hundreds and thousands of examples!

Bombing of UN safe areas and refugee camps. Nothing is done. No IDF is ever been prosecuted because Israel will not allow it

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Forced evacuations with nowhere safe to go is war crimes

And, unless the civilized world recognize this fact, and stops Israel, this is going to create tensions and hate that will last for a centuries, and devastate this region of the planet...

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