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Israeli air and ground strikes intensify in Gaza; internet collapse cuts territory off from outside

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By WAFAA SHURAFA, JOSEF FEDERMAN and BASSEM MROUE

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Keep the pressure on high.

Israel has the right and duty to defend itself at al costs.

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This is not Israel defending itself at all.

This is about pure evil being released on innocent people.

If Israel were serious about defending itself then it would beef up its border security which failed completely on October seventh.

Killing thousands of people is not defeating Hamas.

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Genocide of Palestinian by Israel Infront of the whole world is happening.

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This is not Israel defending itself at all.

This is about pure evil being released on innocent people.

If Israel were serious about defending itself then it would beef up its border security which failed completely on October seventh.

Killing thousands of people is not defeating Hamas.

This is only about Israel defending itself.

Hamas and its supporters are pure evil, and they deserve what they are receiving now.

We don't see people dancing in the streets of Gaza anymore celebrating the massacre of 1400 civilians.

Israel will keep going until it gets the job done at all costs, backed by the US, so nobody can stop them.

Pure justice on the side of good.

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American can stop American,a true and tried reality, without any form of violence,as for malcontent ungrateful Israelis, American pay their taxes and a bunch of insecure Israelis ,are reaping what they sowed with compounded interest

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@yipyip

Unfortunately, the world doesn’t agree with you

Think about it.

Israel has lost its moral superiority and has not only turned the Arab world against it but is continually losing support of the western world by its blatant aggression against Palestinian civilians

Personally, I wish for a peaceful solution that allows Israel to exist but the present policy of the Israeli government is not the correct one

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Keep the pressure on high.

Israel has the right and duty to defend itself at al costs.

At all costs is absolutely right.

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ThubanToday 06:48 am JST

Ukraine is a party to the Rome Statute giving the ICC jurisdiction. Palestine is not a state able to make such a claim, unfortunately. Also they would have to do something about their own rapey "soldiers".

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Unfortunately, the world doesn’t agree with you

Doesn't matter what the world thinks, Israel is the nation that was attacked.

Think about it.

Israel has lost its moral superiority and has not only turned the Arab world against it but is continually losing support of the western world by its blatant aggression against Palestinian civilians

Such is life.

Personally, I wish for a peaceful solution that allows Israel to exist but the present policy of the Israeli government is not the correct one

Well, once Hamas stops kidnapping, killing and decapitating babies, stops raping women and torturing people, not just Israelis, but their own people, recognizes the Jewish nation Then peace can gradually happen, if not, expect this campaign to continue whether the world is with the Jewish state or not.

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American owe Israel nothing,only insecure people have to be validated by other countries,the American that do not support Israel are loyal to America,it the majority of American especially that do not support Israel

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It looks like the day of reckoning has come.

Let’s pray for the end of Hamas and a better future for Gaza and Israel.

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Storm,you said this for Ukrainain,it did not work out to well,the people of Israel get the kind of government,they deserve

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Late Friday, the army released photos showing what it claimed were Hamas installations in and around Gaza’s largest hospital, al-Shifa. Israel has made such claims before, but they declined to say how they obtained the photos.

It’s a war crime to target hospital is full of injured people, doctors and nurses and ancillary staff.

It’s a war crime to target hospitals full of injured people, doctors and nurses and ancillary staff.

What many people here do not understand is that violence breeds violence and this conflict will just become larger and larger until it encompasses millions of people-that is not what we want, is it?

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It’s a war crime to target hospitals full of injured people, doctors and nurses and ancillary staff.

We all know this, it’s also an inhumane crime to knowingly put your headquarters under one of the largest hospitals in Gaza.

What many people here do not understand is that violence breeds violence and this conflict will just become larger and larger until it encompasses millions of people-that is not what we want, is it?

In other words, turn the other cheek and just forget about it…

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Genocide plain and simple

Before I had sympathy for Isreal. Now I have none

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Storm,you said this for Ukrainain,it did not work out to well,the people of Israel get the kind of government,they deserve

Yes, "the only democracy in the ME" voted for this. They will get what they deserve.

Before I had sympathy for Isreal. Now I have none

This is not new for Israel, they've been doing this kind of thing for decades. I never had any sympathy for them.

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Unfortunately, the world doesn’t agree with you

The US does. That's a pretty big part of the world.

Think about it.

I'm thinking.

Israel has lost its moral superiority and has not only turned the Arab world against it but is continually losing support of the western world by its blatant aggression against Palestinian civilians

Israel has kept its moral superiority by announcing where and when it will strike, and giving civilians time to evacuate.

Did Hamas represent anything close to morality when it murdered 1400 civiians?

.If Israel were serious about defending itself then it would beef up its border security which failed completely on October seventh.

Blaming Israel?

Well, it seems Hamas' plan failed, as did the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza who support Hamas, who support the destruction of Israel, and who are no longer dancing in the streets. They brought it on themselves.

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At all costs is absolutely right.

You’ve spent the past year saying the US shouldn’t get involved in wars and money should be spent at home. Now you’re hoo-rah kill ‘em all and take my money.

Quite a turnaround.

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War is hell. But this is what happens when you attack another country. And people, please stop using the word genocide. Words have meaning. Rwanda was a genocide.

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The Palestinians have the right to resist, which is a human right. "The right to resist, depending on how it is defined, can take the form of civil disobedience or armed resistance against a tyrannical government or foreign occupation."

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@Yrral

You’ve got to have hope, Yrral, especially when you’re right.

Committing terror against a peaceful neighbor or invading your neighbor is always wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?!

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IL remains largely unpunished.

no sanctions,no naval blockade,no cut from SWIFT at all...

SAD because people from Gaza are "just" Palestinians...

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With these daily aerial pogroms taking blood revenge by killing and maiming hundreds of "HAMAS terrorists" the Israeli government people are showing the world what devastating destruction a regional bully is capable of, armed with high-tech US weaponry. It should be obvious after all these years of inter-ethnic violent conflict that Israelis have learned the wrong lessons from the Holocaust: they've chosen to weaponize their suffering of their European past and milk the sympathy of the world. They should have heeded the words of the German philosopher Nietzsche who warned that those who fight with monsters must take care that they do not themselves become monsters. The world is weary of this never-ending internecine struggle; only the USA has the power to cut the "Gordian Knot" and put an end to this spilling of blood that has brought shame on humanity for too many years. Unfortunately, the present chaos of governance in America precludes such a possibility.

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Doesn't matter what the world thinks,

It will

Israel has been given a free pass for the past 80 years becasue of the atrocious acts commited in the holocaust. That goodwill is going to run out very soon.

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A prolonged all out war in a land area (Gaza) the size of Las Vegas, all played out daily, live, on a social media driven society, the bodies, some buried, some crawling out, limbs severed should provide any so called god fearing global community time, or at least a reason to ponder how such devastation can be justified or remotely tolerated.

Hamas, must release those hostages, can the ground war be held off for forty eight hours, so affording every last minute diplomatic opportunity to avoid what could amount to a catastrophic loss of life, not witnessed since world war ll.

The unrelenting red mist of total all out war could well be upon us.

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Hamas and its supporters are pure evil, and they deserve what they are receiving now.

Your own logic would also mean that the israelis killed in the Hamas attack two weeks ago also deserved it for supporting the oppressive Israeli government. We know that is not fair to say.

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It’s a war crime to target hospitals full of injured people, doctors and nurses and ancillary staff.

Agreed Islamic Jihad should be accountable for bombing that Gaza hospital.

Israel has been given a free pass for the past 80 years becasue of the atrocious acts commited in the holocaust. 

A free pass for what? Being the only democracy in the Middle East? Israel has been attacked by 11 Arab countries over the past 80 years. So Israel certainly has not been given a free pass from security.

You’ve spent the past year saying the US shouldn’t get involved in wars and money should be spent at home.

For Americans, there's a difference when it comes to supporting a peaceful US ally.

The Palestinians have the right to resist, which is a human right.

They don't have the right to murder, torture, rape, and kidnap Israeli and other civilians.

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Your views are clear. Your blaming Israel and and care that Jewish children were killed.

Commenters here sure love a strawman argument. We can be outraged by the Israeli children killed by Hamas, AND be outraged by the Palestinian children killed by the IDF. These are not mutually exclusive stances. You arent choosing a side when you condemn the killing of children, or any civilians for that matter.

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Before I had sympathy for Isreal. Now I have none

I never had sympathy for Hamas.

It will

No, it doesn’t, not this time.

Israel has been given a free pass for the past 80 years becasue of the atrocious acts commited in the holocaust.

And they will again so, and if not, no one gets to dictate to them as to how they deal with terrorism or how they safeguard the Jewish nation, that’s up for them to decide and at their will or choosing.

That goodwill is going to run out very soon.

Had no idea there was one, not that it matters.

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This is what avoiding civilian casualties looks like.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/26/satellite-images-show-scale-of-destruction-in-israels-assault-on-gaza

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And they will again so, and if not, no one gets to dictate to them as to how they deal with terrorism or how they safeguard the Jewish nation, 

They wont. Sorry matey. The US is on the decline. All empires come to an end, and the signs that the current world order is changing are evident. Without the US, Israel has nothing.

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Commenters here sure love a strawman argument. We can be outraged by the Israeli children killed by Hamas, AND be outraged by the Palestinian children killed by the IDF. These are not mutually exclusive stances. You arent choosing a side when you condemn the killing of children, or any civilians for that matter.

You are correct. Both sides have much to answer for.

Israel needs to return to its pre-1967 war boundaries and remove Israeli settlements from the Occupied Territories in the West Bank.

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This is what avoiding civilian casualties looks like.

Either they are intentionally targetting civilians, or the IDF is the most incompetent military force on the planet.

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yipyipToday  06:28 am JST

Keep the pressure on high.

Israel has the right and duty to defend itself at al costs.

"At all costs." That means nothing is off the table right? So, for instance, it would be okay with you if an IDF soldier got killed and the IDF massacred a whole village or two in retaliation?

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Israel has been committing terror in the region,since it inception,when they, blew up the King David Hotel in Palestine , Israel inhumane treatment of the Palestinian,they will pay for it 10 fold, now the world,has turn against them, Israelis are not even 1 percent of the world population and the world will hold them finally accountable

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"At all costs." That means nothing is off the table right? So, for instance, it would be okay with you if an IDF soldier got killed and the IDF massacred a whole village or two in retaliation?

Yipyip has made their position very clear on multiple occassions. All costs means at all costs.

Based on this same position, the attacks by Hamas are also totally justified.

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They wont. Sorry matey. The US is on the decline. All empires come to an end, and the signs that the current world order is changing are evident. Without the US, Israel has nothing

The US isn't an empire. The US doesn't have colonial holdings around the world. It has like minded allied nations who's governments, in most cases democratically elected governments, choose to band together for mutual benefit and mutual protection. The US can't force a nation to remain an ally and over the years you have seen allies come and go.. Venezuela used to be a close ally of the US. We even did exchange tours with their military. Not today! But a number of former adversaries in Eastern Europe, nations the US and NATO once thought they might have to fight are now NATO allies. Libya was a NATO ally once too. The US had a huge air base in Benghazi, Wheelus AB. US power and the attraction of the US as an ally comes from its huge and vigorous economy. That isn't going away. I have been reading and hearing all of my long adult life about the imminent collapse of the US but it doesn't happen. And it won't happen. 330 million people and still growing create demand for goods and services that some energetic individuals will always find profitable to fill.

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Israel needs to return to its pre-1967 war boundaries and remove Israeli settlements from the Occupied Territories in the West Bank

I’ve seen some who refer to the settlements as ‘so-called settlements’ or do that irritating air punctuation gesture when talking about them.

Hard to reason with people like that.

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I’ve seen some who refer to the settlements as ‘so-called settlements’ or do that irritating air punctuation gesture when talking about them.

Hard to reason with people like that.

The Arab view, widely shared in the developing world, is that those settlements represent the last vestige of European colonialism. The Arabs in particular see them as no different than French efforts to colonize Tunisia and Algeria.

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I’ve seen some who refer to the settlements as ‘so-called settlements’ or do that irritating air punctuation gesture when talking about them.

Hard to reason with people like that.

Hard to reason with you since you gave up on reality and instead promote the conspiracy theory that Israel bombed that hospital in Gaza.

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Both Hamas and Likud (and any Zionist party) are terrorist factions in control of their respective peoples. Both are perpetrating the terrorism they desire to commit. Both are achieving some of their core goals right now. Both see themselves as the heroes. Both want to eliminate the entire populace of the other.

The goal that Likud is accomplishing is to murder as many Palestinians as they possibly can. The goal that Hamas is accomplishing is to finally get the world to see that Israel contains just as many terrorists as Gaza, its just that they have uniforms, suits and attack helicopters.

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They wont. Sorry matey.

Yes, they will buddy

The US is on the decline.

Under the current leadership that is an understatement.

All empires come to an end

The US is not an empire, never was, it’s a Constitutional Republic.

and the signs that the current world order is changing are evident.

For now

Without the US, Israel has nothing.

Without the US the world has nothing

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Hard to reason with you since you gave up on reality and instead promote the conspiracy theory that Israel bombed that hospital in Gaza

You’ve been spamming my posts on various threads ( often unrelated to the topic ) with this typically insincere and childish nonsense.

Asking for clarification of who determined the cause of the hospital explosion is not promoting a conspiracy theory.

Try to grow up and try some sincerity for a change.

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Based on this same position, the attacks by Hamas are also totally justified.

Really? In that case, Israel has a right to retaliate and finish it and seeing the leave of destruction that is headed their way, martyrdom is the only thing Hamas fighters have to look forward to.

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Without the US the world has nothing

Lmao. Ok. Im done for the day. Nothing will top this.

Have a good weekend folks.

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Strength in numbers, when the world say you will not exist

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IF Gazians wanted true piece and protect their CHILDREN, all they had to do is not vote Hamas in and stop attacking Israel. And to those that keep screaming "Free Palestine", Palestine is free! The only thing they can't do is attack Israel. Like any sovereign state Israel has the right to defend themselves.

Some of you might have missed the statement by the previous leader of Hamas that Hamas is not responsible for civilians and that civilian deaths are just collateral damage in a war. That brings me to a question, why are Gazians and others are screaming about civilian casualties?????

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And now begins the systematic erasure of the Palestinians (aka Terrorists / Hamas).

The UN can vote whatever it wants, Israel is correct in that the organization is useless -and as such will just continue on with its own plan to clear Gaza (and elsewhere) of these Terrorists.

And with the Internet being cut-off in the area, the rest of the World won't to see what's going on, until when its over and no more Palestinian Terrorists exist.

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Asking for clarification of who determined the cause of the hospital explosion is not promoting a conspiracy theory.

You can satisfy yourself by looking at readily available public images of the weapon impact. The lightest, least damaging aerial bomb the Israelis use is a 500 pound ( ~225 kg ) guided bomb. It leaves a crater some 3 meters in diameter and about a meter deep. That is the smallest bomb the IAF uses. They go up in size to 1000 and 2000 pounds with correspondingly larger craters. A 155 mm artillery shell leaves about a 5 meter diameter crater.

Whatever hit that hospital parking lot scorched the pavement but didn't leave the kind of craters described above. It was a very low powered munition. Don't believe me. Look at the damage for yourself. There are lots of images to view.

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I think what many are missing is that based on fighting IS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban it is at least highly unlikely that the IDF can destroy Hamas. I think it is a fools errand to publicly state that is the goal. It is setting Israel up for failure ( though some in the Arab press are saying that Bibi knows this and plans to blame the IDF leadership for the eventual failure to save his own skin ). IS and AQ are still out there causing trouble. The Taliban survived twenty years of US and NATO efforts to eradicate them. Israel very much needs to find a different approach that undercuts the appeal of resistance groups. Eliminate the reason for them to exist. It is possible to do but requires political courage I do not see in the current Israeli leadership.

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theft of oil resources {most recently, Iraq , Libya, etc }

The US is not taking any oil resources from either Libya or Iraq. The oil fields the US Army guards in Iraq are operated by the Kurdish civil administration in northern Syria. They sell the oil to the Syrian government, the very same Syrian government that wants to run them out, and used the money internally to provide public services to the Kurds of northern Syria. The US Army sits on those oil fields to prevent them from being taken back by IS. When IS controlled them they were a major source of revenue to finance their military operations.

Libya sells its oil to Italy, France, China, Russia, Germany and Spain.

Any more good bs stories I can debunk?

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Asking for clarification of who determined the cause of the hospital explosion is not promoting a conspiracy theory.

You can satisfy yourself by looking at readily available public images of the weapon impact

I’ve looked at the evidence. From what I’ve read, there is a likelihood it didn’t come from an Israeli bomb. I have no expertise in this area.

I asked who determined this was the case after the explosion when some posters were convinced it was Israel or Islamic Jihad.

I didn’t offer any opinion on this.

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IF Gazians wanted true piece and protect their CHILDREN, all they had to do is not vote Hamas in and stop attacking Israel. And to those that keep screaming "Free Palestine", Palestine is free! The only thing they can't do is attack Israel. Like any sovereign state Israel has the right to defend themselves.

A problem for Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank is that they have not had an election in something like 17 years. Honestly, few Gazans really like Hamas but in the West Bank the Palestinian Authority is seen as a corrupt adjunct and apologist for the IDF and Israeli government.

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Thanks for the history, DT. Are we there at the invitation of nepotism-baby al-Assad? Has he asked us to leave?

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And now begins the systematic erasure of the Palestinians (aka Terrorists / Hamas).

Oh that began many years ago when you started to see people on the right claim that there are no such thing as a Palestinian people. Even more recently you heard Puddingfingers (Ron Desantis) asking why the Arab nations won't take the Palestinians. Why should they? Why should the Arabs facilitate the ethnic cleansing of a region that has been populated by Palestinians / Philistines since before the arrival of the Jews from Egypt?

Both groups need to stop brutalizing each other and learn to live in peace. That to me means Israel stays inside it's pre-1967 borders and the Arabs stop trying to destroy them.

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Without the US the world has nothing.

lol, I bleed red, white, and blue, but this is just ridiculous.

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Seems the invasion has begun.

“The leader of the free world”?

Sleeping, dreaming of tomorrow’s trip to the beach.

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LOL! Funny how quickly it became a means to conduct American imperialism in the Americas and later even further afield!

What?

America wrote the book on modern imperialism and murdering people for land,

Trust me, the Brits, Portuguese, the French, Dutch and the Spanish were way ahead of us, way ahead, we don’t hold a candle next to them.

Americans still talk about the Cuban/Turkish missile crisis as if it was the worst thing to happen to America pre-9/11.

It was actually

Of course they just call it the Cuban Missile Crisis because they don't want to admit that it was America that put nuclear missiles in Soviet/Russian faces first. And how dare those Soviets/ Russians go making an alliance with Cuba just because America made one with Turkey?

And your point?

America condemns the Nazis and their Lebenstraum even though it was essentially the same thing as Manifest Destiny!

No, not even close.

America is simply the biggest, most morbidly obese lying hippocrite nation the universe has ever known! Israel is its favorite acolyte!

As Well as the nation that has helped, taken in and given more food, money, aide to friend or foe than any other nation. We are (nowhere near perfect) , made many mistakes, had many successes but damn near close to being it.

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Bibi will do a political Judah on Biden,how pieces of silver ,was he sold out for

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Does what's happening in Gaza remind anyone else of the 1943 liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto? What was it they called that? The Holocaust wasn't it? Hmm. Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it. Except this time the oppressed have become the oppressors under a bloody, incompetent, genocidal government that is leading the people of Israel into a dark and dangerous future.

In the meantime, the people of Palestine are paying for this terrible mistake with their lives.

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Imagine the 1.5m population of Kawasaki (1.5m people, 10,000 per square km) being given 24 hours to evacuate to Tokyo. Now subtract electricity, fuel, water, food, and internet. Gazans, population 2m, 21,000 people per square mile, were told to do that. For their own safety. Being bombed not only in the area they were told to evacuate, but also on the supposed safe routes, and then at their destination.

Remember Warsaw.

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You only need to watch the TikTok videos of Israeli people being randomly interviewed about the current situation to get an idea of how intractable the problem is. Israel sees only the complete destruction of Palestine as being the "Final Solution", and the Arab Terrorists see the complete destruction of Israel as being the "Final Solution" for them.... neither side will listen to each other.

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