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Drones are great for no-risk slaughter of civilians. If Iran had such weapons, the Western powers and Israel would be raising bloody hell. Oh, and did you know Israel has nuclear weapons? And sends hit squads into other countries to take out their perceived enemies? Just another peaceful country, nothing to worry about here.

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Yes, I knew that Israel has nuclear weapons.

They were provided by America I believe, although they may have been making their own too. There's no way of knowing how many they've got.

Yes, I expect most people know that Israel lives in a fantasy land of spies and assassins. But some people don't realise how dangerous it is.

No wonder people think Iran is planning to make nuclear weapons of it's own, frankly I think it would be better if they did, as Israel and America have never to my knowledge gone all out and attacked a nuclear power. (Look at Pakistan, all they do is feebly flutter about near the borders and use drones to kill civilians, then pretend it was an accident. If those WMD could reach America they'd be far more polite I can guarantee it. Or even if Pakistan threatened to bomb the US military.)

I really don't like these drones, especially as they're so damn big. Imagine what a punch they'll pack. I really don't like countries that use these pilotless killers, it's even worse than the assassins as there's no risk to the hostile nation at all.

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They were provided by America I believe

Israel's nukes were not provided by the US.

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SuperLib:dammit: the French did

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there's no risk to the hostile nation at all.

As opposed to the missles Iran has developed?

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If Iran had such weapons, the Western powers and Israel would be raising bloody hell.

Always such grandiose 'ifs' in the dreams of Israel's enemies.

Funny how no Muslim nation can match the technological achievements of the infidel Christian West or the infidel Buddhists in Japan, isn't it.

Oil-rich Iran is still flying US planes sold to them back in the 70's...

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Israel's nukes were not provided by the US.

The technology and material were, however.

As opposed to the missles Iran has developed?

Considering recent and not so recent history, reasonable and informed people would be much more concerned about Israeli weapons. Iran definitely needs something to protect itself from Israeli/American aggression.

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The technology and material were, however.

No, I believe it is common knowledge that technology and material for Israel's nuclear power were provided by France.

Considering recent and not so recent history, reasonable and informed people would be much more concerned about Israeli weapons. Iran definitely needs something to protect itself from Israeli/American aggression.

Well, Iran's words and actions disagree with your analysis. Israel has stated specifically and clearly that they do not want to make war with Iran, using Iran's name specifically. Iran, on the other hand, even as late as this month, continues with talk of encouraging the destruction of Israel. This month Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that 'Israel’s obliteration is certain'. In January of this year, Khamenei had this peaceful message for Israel, the Middle East and the world: "Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue." Also, from recent Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead".

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No. Iran is the agressor, Mr. Sabiwabi.

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BORIS_CHANG_LUIGI: no aggression so far. Just verbal fights. I hope it will stay to that level.

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Boy if this was Iran's drones we'd hear how Iran plans to attack Israel and all kinds of rhetoric about how evil Iran is.

Wonder if that comes up here about Israel? < :-)

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Wonder if that comes up here about Israel?

When and if Israel ever specifically and clearly encourages the destruction of Iran, I would assume it would come up. How do you feel about Khamenei's recent remarks? How do you think they compare with Netanyahu specifically and clearly saying Israel has no plans for war with Iran?

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"Oil-rich Iran is still flying US planes sold to them back in the 70's"...

Odogma:

These are not planes, they are targets of opportunity!

"Considering recent and not so recent history, reasonable and informed people would be much more concerned about Israeli weapons. Iran definitely needs something to protect itself from Israeli/American aggression".

However, how many time have you hear the leaders and people raise their voices to say "Death to Iran and all of her people"?

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Okinawamike has it right

The difference here is that Israel is an ally, and Iran, not to say the least. Almost every Israeli I'm friends with is either Iranian decent or has quite a bit of Iranian blood. Israel just wants to live as a country, Iran doesn't want that and that is from day one.

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The difference here is that Israel is an ally

With an ally like that, who needs enemies. Truth is, Israel is not an ally of the west. Well maybe an ally of the the western puppet leaders, but not an ally of the people of the west. Israeli "intelligence" provided much of the fake evidence that got the west to invade and destroy Iraq. And Israel is behind many of the false-flag attacks against the west.

What I find particularly troubling about Israel having such drones (and nuclear weapons) is that they have recently once again murdered someone in a friendly country.

They also regularly invade the airspace of their neighbors, and very recently the Lebanese army shot at an Israeli aircraft.

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With an ally like that, who needs enemies.

Israel does not talk about encouraging the destruction of other countries. Iran does and did this very month.

Israeli "intelligence" provided much of the fake evidence that got the west to invade and destroy Iraq.

No, it did not.

And Israel is behind many of the false-flag attacks against the west.

No, it is not.

once again murdered someone in a friendly country

As of yet, there is absolutely no proof Israel was involved. So far, the only people arrested in connection with the case to which you refer are Palestinians. Also, Dubai does not recognize the state of Israel. So it is hardly 'friendly' to it. Just because it does not call for Israel's destruction as Iran does (see Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's recent quotes)does not mean they are friendly toward Israel.

They also regularly invade the airspace of their neighbors

Maybe it is time for such 'neighbors' to make peace with Israel. It is also time for Iran and the other nations at war with Israel to do the same.

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Israel does not talk about encouraging the destruction of other countries.

Israel just goes ahead and does it, Iran does not attack other countries.

As of yet, there is absolutely no proof Israel was involved [in the murder of Hamas official].

In the Telegraph, a publication you trust, it states:

"Israeli immigration officials at Tel Aviv airport secretly copied the British passports which were then used by the hit squad which assassinated a leading Hamas official, ministers have been told."

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And in Haaretz:

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu authorized in early January the assassination of Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, according to a report published in the Sunday Times.

Based on information obtained from "sources with knowledge of Mossad," the paper reported that Netanyahu gave Mossad chief Meir Dagan the green light for the Dubai operation during a meeting at the Midrasha - the intelligence agency's headquarters, in the northern suburbs of Tel Aviv.

The sources also said that the Mossad hit squad trained for the Dubai mission by secretly rehearsing in a Tel Aviv hotel."

Maybe it is time for such 'neighbors' to make peace with Israel.

Yes, yes, the others are always the aggressors, Israel is only defending itself, blah, blah, blah... The truth is that these "wars" have practically always been started by Israel.

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US drones have killed so many innocent civilians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen. I expect even worst casualties with these Israeli ones.

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And Israel is behind many of the false-flag attacks against the west.

"The west" being a corner of your imagination.

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What I find particularly troubling about Israel having such drones (and nuclear weapons) is that they have recently once again murdered someone in a friendly country." Ok, we're back on that issue. Again, I believe that was a deal gone bad, but let's go with your point of view.... You are aware there were Israelis killed in other countries too you know. Face it, its a war. You're right, Israel may not be a "true" ally to the west, but I can clearly say without any hesitation that neither is Iran. While I would prefer to stay neutral, there is no way I would be able to support such a regime as Iran's, much less a government that is founded purely on religion.

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Hmmmm - good points being made by several posters above. If this were Iran demonstrating they'd developed a weaponry that could attack civilian targets many miles away, there would be howls and wails and demands to remove the terrible warlike threat to our freedom.

But if Israel does it, it's oki-doki.

Bit of a double standard there? And people wonder why nobody trusts the West.

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So if they are willing to send a Mossad team to murder someone in a Dubai hotel. I worry about what these drones will be used for." And Iran has support Hamas, Jihad, and AQ etc.. who have not only killed thousands of non-Muslims, but have killed even more Muslims.

US drones have killed so many innocent civilians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen. I expect even worst casualties with these Israeli ones." You know this all could end very easily. Instead of continue the war against the west, how about the "real" leaders of those said countries declare a surrender or at least a cease fire instead of calling for a Jihad against the west. Its not like these countries and they're leaders could be considered like Vietnamese.

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much less a government that is founded purely on religion

Do you realize what you have just stated? Hint: Israel is often called the Jewish state.

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You guys have no idea. The nukes were supplied by Nippon. The assassins were actually MI5. Everyone seems to be an expert here. What are your sources that nobody else doesn't know? Until a bomb strikes one of your loved ones will you get to appreciated limited but targeted harvesting. The fact is anyone is capable of screwing up, including the very best.

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Until a bomb strikes one of your loved ones will you get to appreciated limited but targeted harvesting.

Next2me - explain this line, please?

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The assassins were actually MI5.

MI5 is the internal security branch of the British secret service.

MI6 would be the external branch responsible for actions in other countries, like the CIA.

Everyone seems to be an expert here.

Ever watch the show called Spooks? icefilms.info

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Kommentator:

And sends hit squads into other countries to take out their perceived enemies?

Islamic terrorists such as Hamas are not "perceived" enemies. They are real enemies.

Oh, and did you know Israel has nuclear weapons?

They've had them for half a century and have never used them. What's your point?

If Iran had such weapons, the Western powers and Israel would be raising bloody hell.

And for good reason. Certainly don't want this technology in the hands of a terrorist-exporting fundamentalist Islamic regime like Iran.

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Certainly don't want this technology in the hands of a terrorist-exporting fundamentalist Islamic regime like Iran.

Absolutely. Better keep it carefully controlled by assassin-breeding, UN-flouting, summary-executioning fundamentalist Jewish regime.

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The plane’s maker, state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries...

Amazing. This tiny sixty-year-old country the size of New Jersey with even fewer people is a world center for high technology, only second to Silican Valley. They've done this despite the Muslim Arabs' relentless quest to eliminate the Infidel state from the ME.

Meanwhile, the oil-rich Muslim Arabs are making inroads into such areas as indoor plumbing and camel maintenance.

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I'll tell you what's amazing. Iran has been strutting around for several years with a big "BOMB ME" sign that it pasted on its own forehead. When the Israelis finally do oblige and blow them to smithereens, they will act with astonishment, followed by outrage, at this duplicitous act of aggression by the Zionists.

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Ivan: Absolutely. Better keep it carefully controlled by assassin-breeding...

Well, dealing with Islamic terrorist scum isn't always going to be pretty. In this type of asymmetric warfare, assassination is perfectly acceptable. Best get used to it, because with Islamic terrorism now a world-wide problem, there's gonna be more of it.

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Israel just goes ahead and does it,

Israel has never destroyed another country. If it were allowed to live in peace, it would have no wars against other countries either. Jordan and Egypt have learned that peace with Israel means a lasting peace. In Egypt's case it got a whole lot of land for it too.

Iran does not attack other countries.

They have attacked and still are attacking Israel both verbally and physically. They sponsor both Hezbollah and Hamas and as Iran's proxies these two groups wage war against Israel to this day.

In your Telegraph and Haaretz quotes, you have not shown proof yet of Mossad involvement. You have shown allegations. That is not the same thing. As I said before, I admit it is possible that Mossad is involved. However, there is no proof as of yet. There are merely allegations by unnamed sources.

Yes, yes, the others are always the aggressors, Israel is only defending itself

The countries at war with Israel are at war with Israel by their own choice. Israel did not decide to be at war with them first. They decided to be at war with Israel. In that sense, yes, Israel is only defending itself.

The truth is that these "wars" have practically always been started by Israel.

No, that is incorrect.

"Few, inside Israel or elsewhere, seriously doubt that, given the target and methods, this was a Mossad, or Mossad-directed, hit. The Dubai police chief, Lt Gen Dahi Khalfan, says he is “99 per cent” sure."

We are not talking about who has doubts or not. We are talking about whether there is specific tangible proof as of yet. From what you have quoted, there is not. Not yet, anyway.

I worry about what these drones will be used for.

Then I would suggest you get on the make peace with Israel side and you won't have to worry about how they would have been used.

Do you realize what you have just stated? Hint: Israel is often called the Jewish state.

Are you or are you not aware that Iran is a theocratic (Islamic) republic? Not aware, I guess.

Israel has stated specifically and clearly that they do not want to make war with Iran, using Iran's name specifically. Iran, on the other hand, even as late as this month, continues with talk of encouraging the destruction of Israel. This month Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that 'Israel’s obliteration is certain'. In January of this year, Khamenei had this peaceful message for Israel, the Middle East and the world: "Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue." Also, from recent Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead".

One country, specifically names Iran and says they do not want war with them. Another country, Iran, specifically talks about Israel and suggests it should not exist and further encourages other countries to make it happen and goes further by sponsoring Hamas and Hezbollah who have sworn to destroy Israel.

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Considering Israel's very long history of false flags, I worry that Israel might use one of these drones to attack a US warship (perhaps an aircraft carrier) near Iran. The US will retaliate harshly against Iran, who will be blamed. Similar to how a few decades ago, the US almost retaliated against Egypt when Israel attacked and almost sank the USS Liberty.

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Better keep it carefully controlled by assassin-breeding, UN-flouting, summary-executioning fundamentalist Jewish regime.

Wasn't that the idea back in 1917 or so, when certain European powers decided to facilitate creation of 'a national home for the Jewish race'?

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Considering Israel's very long history of false flags

Israel does not have a long history of 'false flags'.

BTW, the USS Liberty was an accident of war in a war that Israel could not afford to lose. Israel could not afford to err on the side of defeat. There would have been no coming back from that. This is still true today. If Israel loses a war on its on territory, it is finished. That is why weaspons such as this are still needed. Were countries in the Middle East to decide to make peace with Israel and encourage the Palestinians to do the same, there would be no need for fear in the Middle East.

Iran has nothing to fear if they would just say they want to make peace with Israel. They have no reason not to make peace with Israel. Israel says they don't want to make war with Iran. It is time for Iran to say the same thing and stop funding their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah. Then neither will have any fear of the other.

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sabi: the USS Liberty.

LOL! The U.S. and Israel have long gotten over this accident that occurred a half a century ago. Maybe you and David Duke should too.

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The US will retaliate harshly against Iran, who will be blamed. Similar to how a few decades ago, the US almost retaliated against Egypt when Israel attacked and almost sank the USS Liberty.

The above quote is the opinion of a fanatic. I'm surprised such opinions are still tolerated here. The US Navy has several hundred ships. Trying to push the Liberty conspiracy marks someone as a crank, at the least.

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The USS Liberty has nothing to do with this discussion. It was an accident of war, the Israeli ships went back to assist the USS Liberty. The US did not send any nuclear bombs to bomb Cairo. Israel had informed the US within two hours of the incident.

Again, off topic, but Afaghinstan harbored al-Quaeda, the people responsible for 911. 911 had nothing to do with Israel.

If Israel loses a war on its on territory, it is finished. That is why weaspons such as this are still needed. Were countries in the Middle East to decide to make peace with Israel and encourage the Palestinians to do the same, there would be no need for fear in the Middle East.

Iran has nothing to fear if they would just say they want to make peace with Israel. They have no reason not to make peace with Israel. Israel says they don't want to make war with Iran. It is time for Iran to say the same thing and stop funding their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah. Then neither will have any fear of the other.

Claims of both the US and Israel false flags and starting wars against themselves are merely fantastic tangents that may (or may not) make interesting novels. However, they are not part of the real world of reality.

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Well, we know they (US/Israel) are itching to attack Iran. The US will not attack Iran, unless it is attacked first. This drone is perfect for this purpose. And we know Israel will love to have the US do its dirty work, as usual. I just hope that if the US is intentionally attacked by Israel again, they won't have a fake investigation concluding that it was an accident.

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In spite of being surrounded by people who would wipe them out, the Israelis will continue to not only survive, but prosper.

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Well, we know they (US/Israel) are itching to attack Iran.

We do not know this at all. In fact, we know the very opposite of this. Israel says clearly they don't want to make war with Iran. There is an article that describes this clearly right here on JT. The US says clearly they do not want war with Iran. It is time for Iran to say the same thing about Israel specifically and clearly and stop funding their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah. Then neither will have any fear of the other.

This drone is perfect for this purpose.

This drone is a weapon, much like Iran's recently developed and announced missiles are weapons. However, drones can do more than just attack. The same cannot be said of missiles.

And we know Israel will love to have the US do its dirty work, as usual.

Israel took out Iraq's nuclear capability. When Israel chooses to act, they act. They have shown they do not need the US to act for them. However, Israel says clearly they don't want to make war with Iran. The US says clearly they do not want war with Iran. It is time for Iran to say the same thing about Israel specifically and clearly and stop funding their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah. Until they do, it is only Iran that is fear-mongering and talking of the destruction of Israel.

if the US is intentionally attacked by Israel again

It was an accident in a time of war where Israel's very existence was at stake.

they won't have a fake investigation concluding that it was an accident.

It was an accident in a time of war where Israel's very existence was at stake. After the accident, the Israeli ships went back to assist the USS Liberty.

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Well, we know they (US/Israel) are itching to attack Iran.

We know that Iran has been attacking Israel with rockets via their proxies for a decade now. When will Israel get around to attacking Iran again?

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If any Middle East country other than Israel did this, the United Nations would be summoned to an emergency meeting to discuss sanctions and diplomatic pressure.

Poor little victim Israel, however gets a carte blanche to do as it chooses.

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Poor little victim Israel, however gets a carte blanche to do as it chooses" oh what a weak statement. Look at all the support their enemies get right here and by most on the left.

Take a look at the size of Israel and compare it against its enemies. Where was everyone when they were getting their butts kicked? from day 1 they have been the target of the Muslims over a piece of land that size? c'mon, let them have their little desert and everything would be fine. It really about the hatred for Jews living next door to you.

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Take a look at the size of Israel and compare it against its enemies.

How many of Israel's "enemies" have nukes? Don't you know by now? Size doesn't matter if you've got the right equipment.

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It really about the hatred for Jews

And there it is, ladies and gentlemen, making a late show: the "If you disapprove of Israeli hostility you must be a Jew-hater" line.

Next stop, accusations of Nazi sympathies and holocaust denial.

Always a winner if you want to disprove a victim complex.

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"Israeli hostility"

Pfffft! If Israel ever got hostile, Iran, Syria and the Palestinians would cease to exist.

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You mean like Palestine ceased to exist? When Israeli hostility wiped it off the map?

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"You mean like Palestine ceased to exist? When Israeli hostility wiped it off the map?"

Someone needs to study some history.

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What abject hypocrisy! Where's the international outrage? Can you imagine if it was Iran amassing legions of drones capable of hitting Israel? We'd never hear the end of it, how the poor little only democracy (not true) in the middle east was under attack from those nasty Arabs. But when it's the other way round it's about the right to self defence! Call a spade a spade. The rogue nation here is the one which started two wars in the past five years, not the one which hasn't started one in almost 300 years!

Someone needs to study some history.

Yeah, Sarge: Y O U!

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Go on, Sarge - educate us. Why is Palestine no longer a country?

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Ivan - Ask the Brits.

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"Can you imagine if it was Iran amassing legions of drones capable of hitting Israel?"

That will never happen.

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I'm asking why Israel is allowed to amass a fleet of weapons without any outcry.

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I'm asking why Israel is allowed to amass a fleet of weapons without any outcry." Why is every Arab and Muslim who live so far away from the area allowed to call for the death of them without your slightest worry?

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Did Jordan just unveil a fleet of drone weapons capable of attacking its neighbours?

Has Egypt just "hinted at the possibility of a military strike against Iran", to quote the article above?

If Iran was doing one percent of the sabre-rattling poor little victim Israel was doing, you'd be baying for blood now.

But oh, look, it's only teeny-tiny lone democracy Israel, under such threat from those dirty A-rabs, and with no way to protect itself against we don't like (except the nuclear weapons and the huge fleet of helicopter gunships and armed drones and government-run death squads). No biggie. Look away now, nothing to see here.

Come on now.

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If Iran was doing one percent of the sabre-rattling poor little victim Israel was doing, you'd be baying for blood now" hmmm.. so Iran is not sabre rattling?

As for you weak comment on dirty Arabs, half the damn country is made of Arab jews, again you fail. You try to garner support by using such a method. Again, weak. Is that how you guys win arguments with each other?

YOu are throwing support support behind a regime that has been sabre rattling since they took power and have installed laws that would make the leftiest of lefties crap their pants if confronted with such face to face.

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Sarge

If Israel ever got hostile, Iran, Syria and the Palestinians would cease to exist.

Wow, I'm stunned. Sarge says that Israel is such a dominate country, but I never cease to be amazed at how the pro-Israel posters are terrified of Iran getting weapons of any kind.

I don't think that it'll be too long before they use these drones to attack a neighboring country. < :-)

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half the damn country is made of Arab jews

And how much of Bibi's cabinet is arab?

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Stop messing about with sophistry, Skip. If a muslim country revealed a new fleet of weapons, there'd be demands for action against them.

Why does Israel not get equal treatment?

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If a muslim country revealed a new fleet of weapons, there'd be demands for action against them." I don't recall any demands for action against Pakistan.

And how much of Bibi's cabinet is arab?" I don't know, but I bet its a lot higher than you would be happy with. Every Israeli I know is either of Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi, Ethiopian, AND Iranian decent. Just for your info, Jews have been living in the area long before there was ever Islam.

They have a right to be there too. Their land was re-created. Just because so many Jews were kick all over the world from country to country and became what they are doesn't make them any less to claim rights to the land, after it was created by the UN. I wonder though, given the hate the Jews have expreienced over the years was it really for them or was it just another method of anihilating them, knowing full well that the Muslims wouldn't be able to stand it.

And again, I use the other countries that were created out of the mandate.... why is Israel the only one who has the issue? Face it, Israel will go away in our life time, will you then look at the other countries as part of the problem?

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If this were Iran demonstrating they'd developed a weaponry that could attack civilian targets many miles away, there would be howls and wails and demands to remove the terrible warlike threat to our freedom.

Iran has long had ambitions to be the leading regional power.

Israel, not so much.

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If Iran was doing one percent of the sabre-rattling poor little victim Israel was doing, you'd be baying for blood now.

You've never seen any of the speeches by Irans President then have you.

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IvanCoughalot “Stop messing about with sophistry, Skip. If a muslim country revealed a new fleet of weapons, there'd be demands for action against them.”

Skip is doing perfectly well without my help, but allow me to try and answer this for him, he can agree or object later. As Sabi as pointed out Israel has had nuclear weapons for a long time now. But what he fails to say is that the west has never been worried that they would be used, in other words Israel is trusted to behave responsibly when it comes to issues of this magnitude. Iran as an exporter of weapons to terrorist groups that are actively attacking Israel has shown that it cannot be trusted. Israel may say that it dislikes the current government of Iran, but it does not wish for the country of Iran to cease to exist, Iran however has expressed the desire that Israel cease to exist.

If the attacks on Israel stopped today Israel could be the best thing that has happened to the Middle East in the last 1000 years, but that isn’t going to happen and so Israel is going to need to find the means of defending itself because it is an island of civilisation in a sea of Islamic barbarity, that same Islam that brought an end to what was a promising Arab civilisation. That same Islam that is contaminating the west today. I may be more extreme in my dislike of Islam than either Skipthesong or Kinniku but I think we might all agree that given that Israel does exist on an equal footing as other mandated countries (mostly Arab), for example Iraq, is not hypocritical to ask that Israel give up land while not asking the same of, for example, Iraq which is also a British construct? And just to perhaps to help with the understanding of Israel’s victimhood, Israel was given its independence in 1948 and within weeks the united Arab armies attacked and some of those Arab armies were lead by British officers and Jordan, Syria and Egypt still occupied land that was once Palestine, but I do no hear anybody asking that this land be given back to the poor Palestinians.

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Hmmm. I wonder what the payload weight is? Radar cross section? Nice job of engineering, to be sure. Time to look at the aviation rags for some details.

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"Israel is trusted to behave responsibly "

Sorry, Grafton, you lost me right there. 272 UN Resolutions against it. Half of its current cabinet on Interpol watches and warrants in how many countries for war crimes and crimes against humanity. A new furor over its assassination projects using forged passports of neutral nations, a UN Commission which has just confirmed it's committing genocide using banned weapons, etc. etc. etc.

Trusted to what? To W H A T ?

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Politics aside...those Heron TP drones are pretty cool.

Hmmm. I wonder what the payload weight is? Radar cross section? Nice job of engineering, to be sure. Time to look at the aviation rags for some details.

Apparently their primary role is surveillance and radio jamming. The only reference I can find to the actual weapons is from an Israeli military analyst that said "Drones can also carry missiles," and a separate article stating that it had a 250kg payload capacity if you can find anything more specific drop a link.

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TheQuestion at 05:02 AM JST - 23rd February

There isn’t that much to read out there.

www.aviationnews.eu/.../

“Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI)’s largest and most advanced UAV – the Heron TP has recently reached a new technological and operational record, when it flew, for a substantial period of time, at an altitude of 40,000 ft. The Heron TP UAV reached this altitude in less than one hour of flight. It flew for three hours and landed perfectly. The Heron TP is powered by a powerful 1,200 hp Turbo-Prop engine. Its maximum takeoff weight is 4650 Kg, Wing span of 26 meter, and it can loiter for 36 hours.”

LIBERTAS at 04:55 AM JST - 23rd February

"Israel is trusted to behave responsibly "

Really if you wish to attack what I said you should quote all of what was written, not just the part that suits your reasoning. I said…….

“Israel is trusted to behave responsibly when it comes to issues of this magnitude.”

Well, as far as I know they haven’t popped off any nukes behind anybodies back that I know of and they have had them for quite some time and been pushed into some very tight corners by their ever so friendly neighbours. Also, perhaps, like a lot of us they get a little tired of listening to a gutless proArab UN that would leave them defenceless if it had its way. Now are you going to tell me that you have faith in the UN? Thought not, most intelligent people wouldn’t even stoop that low even to win an argument.

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given the hate the Jews have expreienced (sic) over the years

Just because so many Jews were kick all over the world from country to country

UN that would leave them defenceless if it had its way.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you...The Victim. Awww, diddums. There, there, have a wickle fleet of drones, make the nasty man go away.

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IvanCoughalot,

There is a difference between playing the victim and not wanting to be a victim again. Israel has specifically stated that they do not want a war with Iran. Iran has not specifically stated that they do not want a war with Israel. Rather Khamenei has said even as late as this month that it is up to Muslim countries as to how long it will take for the destruction of Israel. Instead of this kind of inflamatory language. Why doesn't Iran just make peace? They have nothing to lose.

This drone has many capabilities, not all of which are merely offensive. The missiles Iran has developed that they say can reach Israel are offensive weapons only.

As to your comments yesterday, if you read enough you will see that often there is a sad connection between being anti-Israel and also denying the Holocaust, claiming Jews control the western media and governments etc. In fact, try reading a newspaper in many parts of the Middle East. It is standard fare. That is not to say you feel that way or to say that people cannot or should not criticize Israel. They can and should. However, I think it is not unreasonable to also consider the geopolitical situation in the Middle East when considering Israeli actions. Most of the countries in the Middle East are in fact at war with Israel. MIf they were not and were really working for peace in the region, all the countries would be behaving in a much more cooperative and peaceful way toward each other and the Palestinians (particularly Hamas) would be more encouraged to negotiate with Israel for peace.

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Look, Israel is never going to be standing alone and undefended again as the US is so far up its backside it can tickle Israel's larynx.

This fleet of armed drones is bombastic, provocative sabre-rattling.

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IvanCoughalot,

Who knows who will be standing along or not in the future? As I wrote, this fleet of drones is not only capable of offensive operations. Iran's missiles are. Were you complaining as equally about them and Iran's comments about Israel's destruction?

As I wrote, why doesn't Iran just say they are committed to peace with Israel and that they do not want to go to war with Israel? That would stop an awful lot of sabre-rattling in the Middle East.

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Sorry: along=alone

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LIBERTAS

272 UN Resolutions...

All non-binding and all created by third-world Muslim countries who are incapable of producing anything other than UN resolutions against Israel. Are you seriously going to base your arguments on this farce known as the UN?

A new furor over its assassination projects...

Al Quaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups send out hit squads to blow up and murder innocent civilians on a near daily basis, and yet it's Israel's targeted strikes against Islamic terrorist operatives that's got you all worked up. Truly an upside down world you live in. :-D

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Look, Israel is never going to be standing alone and undefended again as the US is so far up its backside it can tickle Israel's larynx." And one day they won't have the US to back them up.. will you change your mind then? Israel is still an underdog if you look at it from a different perspective. Every country along their borders, all of North Africa, all the way to the South Pacific and of course the Western Left is just itching to blast them.

Can the Jews ever have a place they can call home?

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And one day they won't have the US to back them up..

The day the US doesn't back up Israel is the day Bears use inside lavatories and the Pope turns Muslim.

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Yes. I hear the Soviet Union is humming along smoothly as well.

Today's friends sometimes become tomorrow's enemies. Today's enemies sometimes become tomorrow's friends.

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As I wrote, why doesn't Iran just say they are committed to peace with Israel and that they do not want to go to war with Israel?

They declared many times they do not want to attack Israel. They declared many times their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.

The only reason they (and many others) expect the zionist regime will disappear is because of the way they have been behaving for the past decades, committing genocide of the Palestinian people and ignoring countless international laws and UN resolutions, and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Iranian leaders, Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Arab League have all signaled that they are willing to normalize relations with Israel if it returns to its pre-1967 border.

For many years, the entire UN General Assembly has voted for resolutions for a two-state solution with the pre-1967 borders. Every year, all member nations vote in favor of the resolution, except for the US and Israel plus, in recent years, a few tiny pacific islands. The UNSC and even the International Court of Justice ruled that the land taken in 1967 belongs to the Palestinians; it is not disputed land, it is Occupied Palestinian Territory, it belongs to the Palestinians.

All Israel has to do is to return to its pre-1967 border and show its willingness to negotiate (right of return, compensations) and it would not need drones or worry about Iran.

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272 UN Resolutions against it. Half of its current cabinet on Interpol watches and warrants in how many countries for war crimes and crimes against humanity. A new furor over its assassination projects using forged passports of neutral nations, a UN Commission which has just confirmed it's committing genocide using banned weapons, etc. etc. etc.

Indeed, and they used forged passports of "friendly" nations to whom they had already promised never to do that again. A true ally indeed! But I know there are still some stubborn Israel-can-do-no-wrong people out there who disagree with the Israeli senior intelligence officials who are convinced the Mossad was behind the murder.

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They declared many times they do not want to attack Israel.

Iran has never specifically done this. I would like them to specifically name Israel and say they are committed to peace with Israel and that they do not want to go to war with Israel. They have never done this.

They declared many times their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.

The IAEA suspects Iran's declarations are untrue.

The only reason they (and many others) expect the zionist regime

Iran's leaders do not say they 'expect', they say 'should' and encourage other countries to help Israel toward the path of destruction. That is not the same as 'expect' at all.

Iranian leaders, Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Arab League have all signaled that they are willing to normalize relations with Israel if it returns to its pre-1967 border.

Iran and Hamas have never said any such thing. Neither have the Arab League.

All Israel has to do is to return to its pre-1967 border and show its willingness to negotiate (right of return, compensations) and it would not need drones or worry about Iran.

All Iran needs to do is say to Israel that they want peace right now and they don't have any worry about drones. All the Palestinians have to do to get their nation is negotiate for it. They will not get it without negotiations.

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they used forged passports of "friendly" nations

There is no evidence yet to support this. All we have is some Palestinians that have been arrested.

But I know there are still some stubborn Israel-can-do-no-wrong people out there who disagree with the Israeli senior intelligence officials who are convinced the Mossad was behind the murder.

There are also Israeli intelligence experts saying Mossad is not involved. Bottom line is that nothing has been shown to be true yet. I have never said Mossad is not involved. I have merely said we have not seen this to be true yet. I have also never said Israel can do no wrong.

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All Iran needs to do is say to Israel that they want peace right now and they don't have any worry about drones.

You mean appeasement to a genocidal regime? That would be wrong.

All the Palestinians have to do to get their nation is negotiate for it. They will not get it without negotiations.

You are incorrect. Palestinians have their nation, its called Palestine; it just happens to be occupied. Palestine also has a clear border, the pre-1967 border. Israel won't even declare its borders!

The State of Palestine is currently recognized bilaterally by about 126 states. It has all the rights of a UN member-state, except the right to vote.

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Sigh. I don't know why I bother when you drag me into tangents that will probably be deleted.

Iran should make peace with Israel now. Then Israel having weapons or not would not be of concern to them. It is Iran that has decided to be at war. These drones are certainly less obviously offensive than Iran's recently developed long range missiles which Iran itself claims can reach Israel.

You mean appeasement to a genocidal regime?

No, I mean Iran showing they don't want war with Israel right now, thus heading toward peace in the Middle East by then encouraging the Palestinians to negotiate for peace with Palestine and Israel side-by-side.

That would be wrong.

No. Encouraging war and destruction of Israel would be and is wrong. However, so far, that is exactly what Iran is doing. That is wrong and it certainly does not and has not helped the Palestinians.

Palestinians have their nation, its called Palestine

They don't have it yet. Palestine before Israel's (and Jordan's before that) was merely a mandate. It was not a nation. The Palestinians want a nation. Iran and Hamas's way will not get it for them. Negotiations will.

Palestine also has a clear border, the pre-1967 border.

The Palestinian state will certainly look something like that. However, it was never a state. Israel occupying the West Bank and Gaza has been the first chance for an actual Palestinian state since 1948.

As to recognizing the Palestinians. You don't have to attempt to convert me to what you think is a cause I don't support. I support the cause of the creation of a Palestinian nation side by side with Israel in peace. I believe in the future state of Palestine. That is why I want them to negotiate for peace and get their nation. I wish Iran felt the same way and encouraged negotiations with Israel as opposed to sponsoring Hamas and Hezbollah. Then they would have nothing to fear from Israel and the Palestinians would get their state all the sooner.

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Having lived on a kibbutz a while back, I got to see first hand both sides of the "story." In the end, one has to really feel sorry for the way the Palestinians are treated. I think if the Jews didn't have them to kick around, they would go crazy. The women there are really nasty, and there is just so much underlying hatred and violence. But, if they ever bomb Iran, kiss your ass goodbye, because those straits will be locked up and no more gas. Or really, really expensive gas, and that means expensive food, as food is raised on gas and transported on gas. In fact, there might even be shortages. You might even go hungry. Just keeping things in perspective.

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Go on, Sarge - educate us. Why is Palestine no longer a country?

How can it no longer be a country when it never was one, it was nothing more then the name of a territory/region of land, kind of like how the states around the great lakes are the called Midwest.

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That abject hypocrisy! Where's the international outrage? Can you imagine if it was Iran amassing legions of drones capable of hitting Israel? We'd never hear the end of it

Well since Iran continues to upgrade their missiles, along with their navy to cut off the Persian gulf, that can pretty much attack all of Europe and considering that means Israel is in range and we have heard the end of it I would say Iran can amass those legions of drones and we would hear the end of it considering those missiles are more deadly then the drones.

Nice hyperbole though by the way.

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banned weapons

WP isn't a banned weapon.

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If a muslim country revealed a new fleet of weapons

You mean like Iran's new navy weapons and new missile weapons? I don't see nations even the US saying Iran shouldn't have those naval weapons or missiles.

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Straits locked up means China will declare war on Iran, China has repeatedly said any nation(s) that threatens its oil supply is the equivalent as a declaration of war, besides the US has a very sizable fleet of war ships in the persian gulf meaning they can unlock that lock.

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The nice thing about unmanned aircraft is that you can load them up with fuel and ordinance and double the range by making it a one-way mission. Since Israel already has nukes we will soon have a new mutually assured destruction confrontation in place. So much for the new world order.

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Straits locked up means China will declare war on Iran, China has repeatedly said any nation(s) that threatens its oil supply is the equivalent as a declaration of war, besides the US has a very sizable fleet of war ships in the persian gulf meaning they can unlock that lock.

All so easy. Wham, bam, thank you! Open them up just like that. With those sunken ships, and burning hulks, no I think it might take more than a few months, and that is assuming that Iran just like gives up, and that it doesn't boil over to a wholesale freaking Muslim war. Which it would! Oil prices will skyrocket. Imagine 900 yen a liter. And prices for food, going from 136 yen for a loaf of bread to 800 yen a loaf. I think both sides to be kept in check at least until we get off of oil. But they just get so damn bored sitting in the desert and then having all of those neat military toys to play with....

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