Israel withdraws most troops from Gaza

The Israeli military said early Monday it would hold fire for a seven-hour “humanitarian window” beginning at 10 a.m. (0700 GMT), saying the truce would not apply to areas where troops were still operating.

Doubleplusgood!

So again Israel has purposely targeted another UN shelter, they have sunk to the lowest level of any of their enemies! Just curious if the poster "SlumDog" still approves of all Israeli actions?

So again Israel has purposely targeted another UN shelter

So, how do you know it was 'purposely'? Were you there?

Just curious if the poster "SlumDog" still approves of all Israeli actions?

Still? I've never said any such thing. What the heck brought this question on and why are you using quotes around my name?

I have said time and again that I am against any actions that result in innocent loss of life. I have said it again just now.

So again Israel has purposely targeted another UN shelter,

Israel targeted Hamas terrorists near the UN shelter.

Shouldn't someone with sense be asking the question "Why does Hamas turn up so often near UN shelters".

Hamas is responsible for the death of every Palestinian civilian in this war. But I am sure it doesn't weigh too heavily on them.

Like last time, they will declare victory , shoot a few people after accusing them of being collaborators and drag their bodies through the streets

SlumDog: Surgical airstrikes, on a building are ALWAY'S intentional. Israel knows every square inch of this area, plus they have also been repetitively told exactly where the UN shelters are! Secondly, I simply asked you the question because you have never admitted Israel has done anything wrong. For someone who is against the killing of innocent civilians, ALL your comments either support or defend Israeli actions.

33 times the UN contacted the Isreali government, IDF, but still they bomb a civilian school? It does appear that there are two goals ,1 destroy all infrastracture, 2 kill as many non Jewish people as possible. Great job Israel. Splattering children and civilians really does prove the point. You are governed by a facist government.

Some thoughts:

civilian casualties, especially of women and children are abhorrent.

Most of the Palestinian casualties appear to have been of women and children, and the IDF must assume a large measure of the responsibility for these Palestinian casualties.

Thousands of crudely guided rockets have been shot into Israel, and most of the casualties have been civilians. Those firing the rockets, mostly Hamas, bear the responsibility for the Jewish casualties.

According to the IDF, the rockets fired into Israel are sometimes, if not usually, fired from positions which intentionally endanger Palestinian civilians. If these claims can be independently verified, then a considerable amount of responsibility rests with Hamas for the Palestinian civilian casualties, although in the end the IDF are the ones firing the weapons which cause the casualties.

Much can be said blaming both sides in the current conflict, but even senior members of the Israeli intelligence and military communities admit that permanent peace between the Jews and the Palestinian Muslims will not occur so long as Israel continues with its policy of expanding its borders, the settlements, into Palestinian lands. Far right political and religious parties are currently in control in Israel, so the policy of expansion continues, and furthermore, any senior Israeli politician who comes out publicly against the policy of expanding Israel's borders will be targeted for assassination by far right extremists.

You can't get rid of a religion and this will only make things worse the fighting will continue for ages on many levels.

"Why does Hamas turn up so often near UN shelters".

They want to take as many UN staffers and civilians with them as they can?

Thousands of crudely guided rockets have been shot into Israel, and most of the casualties have been civilians. Those firing the rockets, mostly Hamas, bear the responsibility for the Jewish casualties.

Three civilians have died due to Hamas rockets. One of them, Auda el-Wadj, was a 32-year old Bedouin man, living in a village in the Negev. El-Wadj was an Isreali citizen, in case the point needs repeating. Here are two things you need to know about this.

The Arab Israelis living in the Negev are not given any kind of protection the way Jewish citizens are given.

It is a crime under Israeli law for an Arab (citizen of Israel) in the Negev to build a bomb-shelter.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/israels-bedouin-caught-between-iron-dome-and-hamas/375428/

Hamas thinks that if they use UN as a shelter they are safe..but Israel won't show no restraint whatsoever because it will show weakness in their resolve. Any place where rockets are being fired are not considered safe. Israel is letting the Hamas ruler about the rules of engagement. And the UN? well they are busy nitpicking about Japan so sorry my *ss Palestinians, the current UN head cares for nothing but Japan head on a platter.

I am not so sure if this is the end of war. Am I the only one who feel uneasy? My gut is telling me this may be a beginning of uprising Palestine terrorists against Israel in the whole region that includes Iran. Do not forget Iran is developing Nuke bomb and they are very close to its completion. I am knocking on wood hoping I am all wrong on this.

In Gaza, Hamas officials said they would not halt the rocket fire without an end to an Israeli blockade of the territory

So rockets are their negotiating tool.

I am not so sure if this is the end of war.

Well since Israel clearly said it wasn't, your belief is well founded.

@yabits

give it up, you are beating a dead horse.

@slumdog

Still? I've never said any such thing. What the heck brought this question on and why are you using quotes around my name?

To bring emphasis and to make you look foolish for supporting Israel.

I have said time and again that I am against any actions that result in innocent loss of life. I have said it again just now.

This is what the looney left never can seem to understand OR are completely audibly, oblivious to that part. No one wants to see innocent people die on either side, it's painful, but it wasn't Israel that threw the first blow.

1glenn,

According to the IDF, the rockets fired into Israel are sometimes, if not usually, fired from positions which intentionally endanger Palestinian civilians. If these claims can be independently verified

This was a recurring theme during Operation Cast Lead in 2008/9 also.

PR Playbook 101: Blame the other side for the death of innocents. Say there will be an inquiry. Move On.

Let's see the truth about those Cast Lead allegations:

24 October 2012 East Jerusalem

Israel’s highest-rating news programme, Channel Two News, has published a statement correcting false claims that rockets were fired from schools operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) during the Gaza war in 2008-2009. The statement makes clear that Israeli officials themselves acknowledged that such claims were false and that there was no evidence to support them.

“We heard this misinformation during the war when there was shelling on and around the Agency’s schools and our main warehouse in Gaza”, said UNRWA Spokesperson Chris Gunness, “but Israeli officials made it clear to the UN during the war itself that they knew claims about militants in UNRWA installations were completely false. Constant, unchecked repetition of this misinformation has been very damaging to the Agency and has produced some very poor and biased journalism, which I will continue to confront. This is the third time in just a few months that a major news organisation has issued a public retraction because of false information about UNRWA.”

Bass4funk: No, my comment to SlumDog isn't to make him look foolish, it was to point out the hypocrisy of supporting ANY country who repetitively kills innocent human beings, while claiming to care about those same innocent human beings. How can anyone give total blind support of either country when neither has moral high ground to stand on? Both you and he, say you are agaist any action that results in the loss of innocent life, yet neither of you have admitted Israel has ever been responsible for of those loses. If fact, both of you have ONLY stated your total support or defence of Israel and even deny or justify those past or current actions.

No one wants to see innocent people die on either side

Then why continue to knowingly bomb civilians?

Imagine the data they got on the Iron Dome system. Version 2.0 will be amazing. This will actually help protect against the inevitable attempt by some Arab state to nuke Israel, and make them reconsider trying.

the inevitable attempt by some Arab state to nuke Israel

No Arab country has, or is even suspected of developing nuclear weapons. Israel on the other hand...

SenseNotSoCommon

No Arab country has, or is even suspected of developing nuclear weapons.

Come on, you're being a Philadelphia lawyer with this one. Arab state is a misnomer. Peter Payne should have instead said Islamic state, in which case you are at best being willingly naive and at worst grossly ignorant...

PP, USN,

Choose whatever bogeyman serves the agenda.

Hamas knew this would happen if they started to fire rockets. Their response was, "OK, let's do it."

@stuart

If fact, both of you have ONLY stated your total support or defence of Israel and even deny or justify those past or current actions.

Believing in Israel's right to exist and believing in the way and every way how Israel conducts every operation are two completely different things.

Britain's Foreign Office minister has resigned over Gaza:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28656874

Bass4funk: Agreed, I strongly believe in Israel's right to exist, as I do Palestine but that does not mean that I support their every action as you do Israel's. When reading your reply, It is as if you didn't actually read my post, nor the (out of context) copy & paste that you responded to! How did you manage to change the content & subject to Israel's right to exist?? Is it a deflection response or did you simply not read it well?

Much can be said blaming both sides in the current conflict, but even senior members of the Israeli intelligence and military communities admit that permanent peace between the Jews and the Palestinian Muslims will not occur so long as Israel continues with its policy of expanding its borders, the settlements, into Palestinian lands. Far right political and religious parties are currently in control in Israel,

This will actually help protect against the inevitable attempt by some Arab state to nuke Israel,

Those who support the Zionist state are reluctant to look at history, which shows that Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together with each other for centuries in relative peace and harmony. The mess that we see now came with the arrival of European Zionists and the odds are heavily in favor that its ending will be catastrophic.

How can anyone give total blind support of either country when neither has moral high ground to stand on?

The moral high ground belongs to the national group that is not the invader, the occupied, rather than the occupier. The moral destruction of Israel is why many mourn this Bisha T'av.

Yabits: While it's my perspective that Israel has and is committing more wrongs than Palestine, two wrongs still don't make a right. Though I feel the Israeli government and it's politicians are causing a NEARLY impossible situation for all Palestinian's, I don't believe a violent response will ever be a solution. With how many years of violence there has been do you really believe that either side has a moral higher ground? It's my hope that either country can become pacifist for a long enough period of time, that THEY will receive the worlds exceptance and total support, while dropping ALL support of the aggressor and pressure them in every way. If a military action was truly a solution, all their problems would have been resolved a long, long time ago.

Stuart,

I appreciate your post above. I agree. Violence on both sides is not the answer and never will be the answer.

If a military action was truly a solution, all their problems would have been resolved a long, long time ago.

Exactly. I agree 100%.

First, a correction: Tisha B'av and not Bisha T'av. (LOL!)

While it's my perspective that Israel has and is committing more wrongs than Palestine, two wrongs still don't make a right....do you really believe that either side has a moral higher ground?

Yes. The problem is that most people are not aware of the critical historical details of the founding of the Zionist state, and what its aims were and still are -- all of Palestine as a Jewish state. The two-state solution is a ruse for those ignorant of what drives Zionism's true believers -- who will take all the time they need to pull it off.

It's my hope that either country can become pacifist for a long enough period of time

It's my hope that you'll be able to see this more clearly: In order for the Zionist state to control all of the West Bank and Jerusalem, it will have to go to war with and defeat an "independent country," not an occupied people. Make no mistake, there are Zionists who want to expel or kill all Palestinians today, but there are too many people of the Jewish faith who would not allow for that. (But we've seen how a very large majority of Israel's Jewish citizens cheered for the destruction of Gaza.)

This is the same game played over and over and over again: Moshe Sharett, who was one of the founders of Israel and one of its first prime ministers, resigned over his opposition to then-defense minister Ben-Gurion's plans to attack Sinai and take the Suez Canal. He writes: "I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism. These are historical facts that cannot be altered...In the end, history will justify both the stratagems of deceit and acts of adventurism. All I know is that I, Moshe Sharett, am not capable of them, and am therefore unsuited to lead the country." ("Adventurism" is better understood as "military aggression" today.)

The Palestinians have been cursed to have been invaded by a deceitful force bent on removing them from their lands. Prime Minister Sharett, like Rabin, allowed his Jewishness to take precedence over the deceitfulness required to lead the Zionist state.

The problem is that most people are not aware of the critical historical details of the founding of the Zionist state, and what its aims were and still are -- all of Palestine as a Jewish state.

Your problem is that this is completely incorrect.

The two-state solution is a ruse for those ignorant of what drives Zionism's true believers -- who will take all the time they need to pull it off.

You said you knew Yitzhak Rabin wanted a peaceful two state solution. You knew he was an Israeli. You knew he was a Zionist who believed in Israel's right to exist. So, you are wrong. The peaceful two state solution could have been a reality had the Palestinians, specifically Arafat, stuck with negotiations. Instead, he left negotations that were going well by all accounts from both sides and went to Davos to make a speech denouncing pretty much everything that had been discussed in the negotiations. This, after Shimon Perez made a speech showering Arafat with praise. Sorry, you are wrong. Israelis are primarily for a peaceful two state solution. Rabin lost his life working for that. You know he did. You have commented about it. Why pretend now that his work did not exist? Yitzhak Rabin won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. You do a disservice to the truth when you continue to ignore this.

In order for the Zionist state to control all of the West Bank and Jerusalem,

These are your personal fantasies and they have nothing to do with all the efforts made by many people on both sides to make peace. Again, you ignore the vast majority of people in Israel that want peace. Again, it is Hamas that does not want peace with Israel. You agree with this. Please stop saying it is Israel, when it is people like you that do not want a peaceful two state solution. You specifically state this time and time again and refuse to even consider the idea, much like Hamas. However, it is the only solution.

guys: 1800 killed this week in Syria by Isis Gaza poor people died because some crazy Islamic organization decided to get more money from countries that reduced their payments lately by publishing as many horrible pictures as possible to gain more support.

its all about money - more destruction=more support and we are talking about billions of dollars they have found the way to make easy fast money based on their eternal refugee status. The support money will help maintaining this status forever. its as simple as that.

"Hey the world is not paying enough - we must show him how poor we are - lets fire some rockets on Israel and publish the outcome pictures - this will get us what we need"

The 1800 Syrians killed over different crazy Islamic organization who wants to convert the world and you too eventually including Muslim guys who might comment here as well (by the way, no comments on these dead Muslim from anyone - maybe its because they weren't killed by Jews ? )

Israel is currently in the frontier of radical Islam vs free world civilization. All must realize that before its too late