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Israel searches for traces of Hamas in raid of key Gaza hospital packed with patients

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By NAJIB JOBAIN, JACK JEFFERY and SAMY MAGDY

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Question is, were they in that hospital in the first place?

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Question is, were they in that hospital in the first place?

Yes

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Where are the tunnels and Hamas HQ under the hospital?

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Hamas has Harry Potter -like magic and can make the tunnels disappear.....{Latest IDF communique }

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Wick's pencilToday  08:22 am JST

Israeli airstrikes have since killed more than 11,200 people, two-thirds of them women and minors, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry in Ramallah, which coordinates with the ministry branch in Hamas-ruled Gaza. Another 2,700 have been reported missing, with most believed to be buried under the rubble.

So they (Israel and US) have so far murdered 14,000 Palestinians, two-thirds of them women and children.

I know you would love this to be the US' fault, but you don't blame China and Russia for the backing of terrorist savages.

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If there is no clear independently assessed concrete physical evidence of a underground structure defined as a command canter, quote headquarters beneath the hospital, with a labyrinth/ supply network of tunnels etc.

Then the IDF and the Israeli government could be subject to accusations of acts associated with war crimes. ICC has stated it has jurisdiction under international law.

The US Government could be subject to follow prudence in such a scenario.   

The Israeli government has every right to defend itself, Hamas acts of terrorism, the 7th oct atrocities, hostage taking, all demand a response.

To storm a hospital, to carry out ground operations in and around the hospital, to threaten the well being of the patents inside, all require iron clad intelligence, no if or maybes, or they could be this or that, no, only solid carefully crafted researched evidence of an underground military structure will suffice.

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"Searching for traces"...

Doesnt really fit with this "base of Hamas operations" spiel that we have been fed for the past x number of years. Maybe they can stick another copy of Mein Kampf in an incubator and the West will just let it ride.

Where are the tunnels and Hamas HQ under the hospital?

There are tunnels and basements/bunkers. The Israelis let them build them. What Israel now has to prove is whether Hamas were actually using them as a base of terrorist operations.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital-1844107

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Well, it looks like the hospitals of Gaza are in fact military bases for Hamas.

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Israel is collapsed politically as bad what Hamas done,they broke the fabric of Israel society,they are paralyzed and can only lash out at Gaza, even the US abstain,that a sign Biden is feeling the political wrath of party member, only choice he has is throw Bibi under the bus

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"Where are the tunnels and Hamas HQ under the hospital?

Hours before Israel’s raid, the United States said its own intelligence indicated militants have used Shifa and other hospitals — and tunnels beneath them — to support military operations and hold hostages."

Given that the claims came from those ever so reliable " unidentified , multiple intelligence sources" the tunnels are likely to be found in the same fantasy realm as Saddam's WMD's. Burried as deep as the hole containing the Israeli/US credibility on this.

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Well, it looks like the hospitals of Gaza are in fact military bases for Hamas.

The Associated Press could not independently verify the Israeli claims that the weapons were found inside the hospital. Of course they couldn't.

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Given that the claims came from those ever so reliable " unidentified , multiple intelligence sources" the tunnels are likely to be found in the same fantasy realm as Saddam's WMD's. Burried as deep as the hole containing the Israeli/US credibility on this.

Hear! Hear!

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Given that the claims came from those ever so reliable " unidentified , multiple intelligence sources" the tunnels are likely to be found in the same fantasy realm as Saddam's WMD's.

But there are tunnels. That isnt what has to be proven. It has to be proven, by an independent body, not the IDF, that the hospital was being used as the HQ for terrorist operations. However, let me just remind everyone that this doesnt legitimise the bombing of hospital. The targeting of hospital and ambulance is a violation of international humanitarian law.

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*"So they (Israel and US) have so far murdered 14,000 Palestinians, two-thirds of them women and children. *

- I know you would love this to be the US' fault, but you don't blame China and Russia for the backing of terrorist savages."

Despite our friendly US govt staffers working keyboards overtime on this it doesn't change the fact ( as reported by Bloomberg yesterday ) that US weapons are arriving in Israel daily enabling the war crimes to go on. Biden is the only one who can restrain Netanyahu but so far the White House has given Israel carte blanche for the civilian killings to continue with its "unconditional support".

U.S. sending ammo and missiles to Israel on 'near-daily basis- 'https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/11/15/world/politics/us-israelammunition-missiles

"This security assistance continues to arrive on a near-daily basis,” according to the statement. It said the U.S. was rapidly providing precision-guided munitions, small-diameter bombs, 155 mm artillery shells and other munitions. That's along with Iron Dome interceptors and medical support equipment.

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Hamas came in through fences, not tunnels. Never in the annals of history have so many been killed by so few all for tunnels. To believe the IDF's Operation "Tunnel", the fatuous excuse (Gleiwitz, Tonkin Bay etc.) for war on the people of Gaza is nothing but "Tunnel Madness" in the service of geopolitical gains.

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I know you would love this to be the US' fault, but you don't blame China and Russia for the backing of terrorist savages.

Well let's see. The US continues to fund and arm israel and defend all their actions at the UN. So yes, the US is clearly also very much at fault here. Every single american who voted in favor of sending more weapons to israel should be held accountable.

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 Every single american who voted in favor of sending more weapons to israel should be held accountable

What vote? there is no democracy when it comes to decision like these, just a handful of self-serving elites looking for their next pay day. Imagine if there was a vote for such issues, Israel would be forced to operate within International laws and thousands of excess deaths could have been prevented.

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The 4th biggest army in the world and the least capable. 40 days and still only dead civilian mostly children . You have to kill those stone throwing children before getting to those rag tag non military trained Hamas.

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"Israeli army raids and settlers have killed around 130 Palestinians in the West Bank since October 7, according to local authorities. More than 1,000 Palestinians have been arrested."

West Bank Jewish settlers killing Palestinians with immunity.

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Hasn,t The tables turn since the first thread on the Israel genocide on Gaza. I was the only poster supporting Hamas. Today 20 post and only one lone supporter of this genocide. Support for Israel is dead all around the world except for those who are compromise and all know with their support this genocide would not be Happening.

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 I was the only poster supporting Hamas

Palestine*

What Hamas did on October 7th was deplorable.

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 Every single american who voted in favor of sending more weapons to israel should be held accountable

What vote? there is no democracy when it comes to decision like these, just a handful of self-serving elites looking for their next pay day. Imagine if there was a vote for such issues, Israel would be forced to operate within International laws and thousands of excess deaths could have been prevented.

I was not referring to any election, but rather to the law makers who agreed to send more weapons and money to israel.

What Hamas did on October 7th was deplorable.

What exactly did Hamas do on Oct 7th?

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Chab: Sorry how silly of me thinking that Israel apartheid and the open air concentration camp condition had something to do the lashing out by Hamas.

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"Israeli army raids and settlers have killed around 130 Palestinians in the West Bank since October 7, according to local authorities. More than 1,000 Palestinians have been arrested."

West Bank Jewish settlers killing Palestinians with immunity.

Apparently the IDF also killed 34 Palestinian kids in the West Bank this year BEFORE Oct 7th.

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Or braking the arms of 10 year old boy for throw rocks at a tank then taken the boy to prison where they wouldn't, set the broken arm as for it to grow useless.

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An illegal invader doesn't 'raid' the hospital they've attacked, turned into a mass morgue, filled with wounded orphaned children, and deprived of medicine, food, fuel, and power.

They ATTACK and attacking a functioning hospital in a war crime.

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