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Italian parliament commission approves burqa ban

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Well.. the Koran doesn't demand they cover their identities.. "hijab" ... "veiled" means that women be modest in your dress and in your actions. There are no specifications that they have to wear a burka, that's just personal preference. If you look at the differences between women's "modest dress"/ "hijab" between nations that cater to muslims, there are very different styles of dress in each one and each one claims to follow the commandment of being modest.

The gospel of Christ teaches us to be modest in our dress and actions as well; maybe in a way there's something for us to learn from muslim practice. After all, muslim and christian dress used to be identical .. until some brilliant feudal lord decided that there needed to be a separation and created sumptuary laws prohibiting Christians and muslims to be dressed in the same manner so it was easier to differentiate one from the other.

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I can't think of anything more primitive, or superficial, than putting on a costume in order to perform a visible demonstration of the depth of one's religious beliefs. That goes for headwear, beards, hair styles and accessories as well.

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These women will have to go outside wearing their silly garb so that's 300 euros in fines times 3000 women/day = 900,000 euros a day in collectable fines. Pehaps the Italian economy will pick up after this?

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i dont see the big deal of wearing a piece of fabric that covers your face; if theres need for a check you can always ask for the woman to remove it and proceed to identify the person.... these laws from the italian government are only a way to keep people scared and ignorant about islamic people and islamic religion itself.

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After all the shocking anti-Islam actions of that Norwegian guy which the whole world condemns, I have problems understanding why a whole country can get away them. Just let those people wear what they like.

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About time countries started getting serious about protecting their way of life and futures. If people move to a country they should try to fit in not subtly force their adopted home to become a surrogate for the home they left. Afterall if they want their new home country to be like the one they left then why leave in the first place.

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Agree with the pig...

They chose to live in a country that doesn't abide by their rules, standards, culture, laws, religion etc.

They chose to live in such a country. Nobody forced them to live there (Spain, Italy, France, Belgium).

They chose to live there so they should abide as much as possible by the rules, laws, culture there.

When I go to their country my Japanese wife is asked to cover her hair when entering their buildings.

NO DOUBLE STANDARDS FOR ANYONE!!!!

When you come to Japan you damn well take your shoes off when you enter someone's house. You

don't go parading through it because that's what you do in your home country. Same thing here.........

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When you come to Japan you damn well take your shoes off when you enter someone's house.

Was it ever considered rude to cover one's face in Italy? Ever heard of a Venetian mask? How about make-up?

And you know, its about time they start cracking down on Orthodox Jews too. They all dress the same with those beards, hat, and braids. Can't tell them apart. Its a security risk! (cough)

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Chewitup,

Just a question, you ever been to a mid east country?

If you go there do you think you can act like a westerner in public, get around in shorts and thongs. Let alone have a female wander around like they dress in Japan. Yet when muslims come to western countries do they adapt and try and fit in?

But l guess its considered racist to want people to fit in and adapt to their new country, look out if you would actually like to maintain your way of life your automatically branded a redneck racist.

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Collumhcille:

" There are no specifications that they have to wear a burka, that's just personal preference. "

Personal preference?? Ask the women in Afghanistan and Saudi (and for that matter in some French suburbs) how much choice they have in that matter.

" After all, muslim and christian dress used to be identical .. "

How in the world do you come up with that?? There is no "christian dress". The tenting of women in islamic countries is an expression of their second rank status prescribed in the Koran.

It might interest you that the Burkha (in its various forms) is banned in secular islamic countries like Turkey and Azerbaidjan. Banning is necessary, because the islamist pressure for more and more Shariah from ground up is always a presence.

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Virtuoso:

" I can't think of anything more primitive, or superficial, than putting on a costume in order to perform a visible demonstration of the depth of one's religious beliefs. "

That is not the issue. Note that there is no real dress code for muslim men (although the fundis try to make them all wear long beards). The whole issue here is demonstrating the status of women as property of men. That´s why they have to go under the tent. That the clerics argue that that is for their own protection (because showing their face would too much sexually excite the men) is so primitive and cynical excuse it is both laughable and sad.

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Spidapig24

About time countries started getting serious about protecting their way of life and futures. If people move to a country they should try to fit in not subtly force their adopted home to become a surrogate for the home they left. Afterall if they want their new home country to be like the one they left then why leave in the first place.

100% gotta agree with this, if you dont like the laws and customs of the adopted nation then dont live there, if you choose to go to another land with different law and culture then it is upto YOU to adapt and intergrate. NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.

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chewitup

Was it ever considered rude to cover one's face in Italy? Ever heard of a Venetian mask?

Yes, I heard of it.

I used to live in Italy! LOL

You cannot possibly compare a four-day festival in Venice with what's being discussed here.

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its about time they start cracking down on Orthodox Jews too. They all dress the same with those beards, hat, and braids.

When they walk in a convenience store or bank and are cought on camera they can be easily identified. No Problem.

People wearing ski masks and other heard wear such as a burkha are pretty much impossible to identify. Big Problem

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How are these people identified at the airport?

I always get asked to remove my sunglassed when handing over my passport at immigration.

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The U.S actually has some very reasonable court rulings in place that allows the use of the burka without causing a significant security risk, they must be removed to give testimony, for police identification, and at business owner's discretion. On a side note the U.S is also one of the only western nations in which Sikhs may carry their kirpan's largely unmolested because we have procedures in place to make the use of such religious objects convenient and safe.

Also, I doubt anybody has a problem with the hijab, which typically reveals the face, but rather the niqab which serves to cover the entire head except for the eyes and the burqa which includes the other two in addition to the full body cover. That said, as long as the wearer removes the clothing artical for identification purposes I don't see a problem with it. If they refuse to be identified they can be taken in for resisting arrest or some similar charge linked to preventing a police officer from carying out their duties.

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Also, I doubt anybody has a problem with the hijab

I can personally guarantee our resident bigots have a problem with the hijab. Some of these people are allergic just to the suggestion a thing might be of M.E. origin. Victorian style full mourning veil though? They would not have one word against it.

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You cannot possibly compare a four-day festival in Venice with what's being discussed here.

I can and I am. Four days of a security risk or 365; either are too many.

When they walk in a convenience store or bank and are cought on camera they can be easily identified.

Not if its me! I am not an Orthodox Jew!

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100% gotta agree with this, if you dont like the laws and customs of the adopted nation then dont live there

There was no law against the veils when they moved there. Hello? Now you expect them to leave, because a law was made?

As for customs, are you aware that every country already has various customs within itself? No country is uniform, not even Japan!

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chewytup

I look forward to the Arabiatowns of the future.

Maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and visit some of the 'Arabiatowns' in Europe. Fire fighters and ambulance crews will not enter them without police escort.

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chewitup

Victorian style full mourning veil

Mourning veils do not cover the face of those who wear them.

You're reaching....

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I agree with what Spidapig24 said in post #6 and Skeptical Hippo said in post #7. I welcome diversity in a society, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. In London, moderate Muslim females have had their lives threatened by fundamentalists for having their heads uncovered. If a country does nothing, you end up with a shocking situation like THIS:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html

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