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Italy to require COVID-19 'pass' for many activities

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By FRANCES D'EMILIO

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The two-tiered segregated society is here.

What's going to happen to religious groups like orthodox Jews who refuse vaccinations because of their beliefs?

This amounts to persecution of minorities.

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Nah. Not giving privileges is not equal to denial of rights.

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dine at tables inside restaurants or cafes, to attend sports events, town fairs and conferences, and to enter casinos, bingo parlors and pools, among other activities.

Since when are these privileges?

We are not slaves on a plantation.

We are free people.

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We are not slaves on a plantation.

Dear Burning Bush.

You are not a slave on a plantation. Slaves on plantation wore shackles that had been put on them by other people. The shackles that you see yourself wearing if and when Covid passes become commonplace will be shackles that you have placed on yourself voluntarily, as the inescapable consequence of a free choice you have made.

Unlike those slaves, you do have a choice. You can either get yourself vaccinated and become a free man, or you can continue with your apparently automatic opposition to vaccination and to every other virus control measure as recommended by the majority of health authorities around the world. Whether you like it or not, articles like this are a prediction of the future. Most of us accept that in order to end this pandemic there are certain things that have to be done, including vaccination. Stop exaggerating the risks. Think again. Get it done.

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Since when are these privileges?

since when are they not?

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Disheartening that ever more countries go down this road. Eventually, non-injected will have to wear marking on their clothes, be isolated and restricted in their rights. Maybe someone will come up with the idea that it would be more efficient to concentrate them in camps.... do not be surprised when that concept is floated.

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Unlike those slaves, you do have a choice

It's not a choice when people are forced to give up their religious beliefs.

It's the same choice the Spanish Inquisition gave.

Renounce your beliefs and do as we say.

Orthodox Jews have strong beliefs, why do you support barring them from public places because of those beliefs?

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Orthodox Jews have strong beliefs

Including the belief that they can spread infection wherever they go?

Some beliefs simply don’t work in a civilized society, and the belief that it’s OK to hurt others at random is one such.

If you want to be a member of society, enjoying the perks of that society - restaurants, concerts, social gatherings of every kind - then you adhere to the rules of that society.

If you believe that your god will keep you safe without a vaccine, then stick with others of similar mind. And keep your unvaccinated breath away from folk who believe in helping themselves and each other.

(BB mentioned Orthodox Jews; my views apply to all who think their religious affiliations take priority over the general good, whether they are Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindi, Druids, Satanists or whatever. So no outraged cries of anti-Semitism, thank you.)

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Eventually, non-injected will have to wear marking on their clothes, be isolated

Ideally!

and restricted in their rights.

No, no one has suggested restricting their rights. Literally no one.

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If enough people get vaccinated for a herd immunity to become effective, then religious minorities can be exempted. But people riding on the backs of those minorities ideologically to gain exemptions for themselves? No. And as far the Jews are concerned, Israel seems to have handled their vaccination program OK.

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 Israel seems to have handled their vaccination program OK.

By not forcing vaccines on anybody and by treating all Jews, vaccinated or not, equally.

There should be no restrictions on Jews and other minorities who do not wish to be vaccinated.

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The Orthodox Jews are the ones who rejected the vaccination are the ones being infected with the covid. They also reject masks and social distancing. There have been several very large events some with a stampede killing many. Many even reject working.

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The Orthodox Jews are the ones who rejected the vaccination

That's their belief, a little tolerance is all we ask.

They also reject masks and social distancing.

That's their belief, a little tolerance is all we ask.

Many even reject working.

That's their belief, a little tolerance is all we ask.

Notice that the calls for denial of rights and freedoms for supposedly "unclean" people who chose not to vaccinate like Orthodox Jews basically stems from intolerance.

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Burning Bush,

if you really want to help the Jewish and other minorities you’re expressing such concern for, then help them by getting vaccinated yourself, contributing to the push for herd immunity, and thereby removing any pressure on them as a group. You will be contributing both to the continuance of religious freedom of expression and to the health of society as a whole. Including yours.

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 then help them by getting vaccinated yourself

I choose to help them by standing in solidarity with them against those who wish to oppress them.

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Burning Bush:

Your choice. Gets us - and you - nowhere, but your choice.

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“Many even reject working”, why would you mention that? Puzzling comment. Has nothing to do with Covid.

 Most Jewish people, orthodox, ultra orthodox and what have you have been vaccinated. Sure, initially them and other religious folks had reservations about Covid vaccinations, but from what I have read, most of them have turned around.

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“Many even reject working”, why would you mention that? Puzzling comment. Has nothing to do with Covid.

The poster was using a standard stereotyping strategy used by oppressors of minorities.

Point out differences in behaviour and customs, exaggerate them and create an "us vs. them" mentality in the general public.

Jews are used to that, and the forces of segregation and discrimination are rearing their ugly head again.

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Good idea. Not much of a burden to get vaccinated.

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We are free people

No one is free to willingly endanger others. Please read the majority opinion in Jacobson v Massachusetts 197 U.S. 11, (1905). The US Supreme Court upheld a Massachusetts law requiring all residents to be vaccinated against smallpox or face a fine and perhaps jail in the face of frequent smallpox epidemics in that state. The opinion in that case nicely shreds all of your arguments.

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