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James Cameron says Titanic tourism submersible warnings 'went unheeded'

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"I'm struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship, and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night, and many people died as a result," Cameron told ABC News.

Lesson Number One: Never depend on the care, good faith, business acumen or technological expertise of billionaires.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/brian-szasz-stepson-of-billionaire-on-missing-titanic-sub-flirts-with-only-fans-model-during-rescue/

"I know the wreck site very well... I actually calculated that I spent more time on the ship than the captain did back in the day," he said.

Cameron is a perfectionist and you have to admire him for that.

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A tragic lesson to learn that echoes with the past. From the sounds of it the designers and sellers of this dangerous endeavor were focused on other trivial things, experts warnings were not headed and paid they ultimate price for their youthful and zestful misjudgments. Wasn’t the steering mechanism tacked together from a game console or something?

Very much a sign of the times. RIP victims.

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I would rather walk through a pride of lions, and across a floor covered with Taipans, than go down in a thing like that........even more so with a crew like that. This was an avoidable tragedy.

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Nowadays you can tour places like Everest base camp and Antarctica for $5~15K per person.

If you want to charge more than $15K, then you have to go to extreme places, like 100 km altitude or Titanic.

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The laminated materials criticism makes sense.

And Cammeron having been to the bottom of the Marianna Trench in a sub of his own design would have the expertise to know.

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Some have more money then sense.

Death by Implosion on a submersible is like going from walking around to finding your self canned like Tuna in a can. As harsh as that sounds. They did not suffer.

These Billionaires with their rockets and extremism ambitions to go places trained professionals have trained their whole lives to go needs to stop. Wealth should not be used in this fashion. A young man died on this voyage with his whole life ahead of him to appease his Father.

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The cost of this multinational rescue/recovery effort has likely been in the millions of dollars. Taxpayers should not be on the hook to subsidize this sort of extremely risky billionaire fantasy adventure.

It might be a moot point since I doubt any billionaires will be getting into a submarine to go see the Titanic ever again after this, but there are a lot of similar activities these jack-asses are up to (space flights, climbing Everest, etc) where the costs of their risk taking are ultimately borne by the rest of us. That has to end - if they want to do this crap, they have to pay the cost of potential rescue efforts up front.

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He is right, stop that farce..

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The cost of this multinational rescue/recovery effort has likely been in the millions of dollars. Taxpayers should not be on the hook to subsidize this sort of extremely risky billionaire fantasy adventure.

Right on, socialism for the rich.

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I hear what he's saying but now the floodgates have opened and everyone is happy to throw their anchor on top of the wreck.

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Indeed Christopher Mas Osan,

Two of the Passengers Are a Prominent Businessman and His 19-Year-Old Son

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/shahzada-dawood-titanic-submarine.html

Fathers day...

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There is a miasma of misfortune around the Titanic's resting place, and to go there merely out of curiosity (and because one can afford it) may be tempting fate.

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Spending surplus wealth on noble causes can be a service to humankind and Planet Earth.

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Listened to his interview on BBC World Service. Talked a lot of common sense.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65994707

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I remember a guide who took us up Mauna Kea telling us that at sea level you are supported. You have everything you need to survive. When you go up the mountain or deep into the ocean, you are in another realm and you can no longer count on your surroundings being able to sustain your life. Hence why we have to respect these places by at least being educated on how to survive.

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OceanGate, the company that operated the Titan and whose CEO, Stockton Rush, is among the dead, hailed the sub’s passengers as “true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans”. It added: “We grieve the loss of life and joy they brought to everyone they knew.”.......Guardian

I am sorry, reading these words has a rather sicken hollow tone.

You see, the families grieving the loss, are the true victims pondering without a day passing by, what could have been.

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James Cameron blasts hunt for Titanic sub as 'prolonged nightmarish charade': Director claims US knew vessel had 'imploded' HOURS after it lost contact but let people 'run around talking about banging and oxygen when they knew where it was.

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@wallace, Yes crazy. James Cameron is like that ornery old man that is the know it all we all know.

The annoying geezer that goes around all saying (I told you so) and smug and arrogant man.

The Navy with there top secret buoy system kind of knew implosion day of launch.

But remained hopeful and silent for the dignity of the situation and the families.

Now. Good question. Who is footing the bill? I and my fellow Americans and our tax dollars we slaved for?\

Is there a good outcome other than the U.S. Navy and the French getting some exposure working together?

James Cameron, Come on man. Have some class.

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Waiting the next catastrophe -- in space! Billionaire entrepreneurs are the absolutely wrong people to be in charge of these endeavors. The state does a much better and professional job, as with NASA's extraordinary moonshot Apollo missions and the Soviet space program. Nothing's been able to match their achievements 50 years on.

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James Cameron is an experienced submariner with his designed and built craft that went to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean to the Mariana Trench, considered one of the deepest spots in the Earth's oceans. It is 11,034 meters (36,201 feet) deep. He did it in a 24-foot submersible vehicle he designed called the Deepsea Challenger.

He also made numerous dives to the Titanic.

So I think he is much more than "an ornery man". He remained silent until the wreck of the sub was discovered.

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Unmentioned in this article is that Cameron heard from his own sources about an implosion from the outset - and messaged his acquaintances that "friends have been lost".

He doesn't mention what those sources were, but he is clearly well plugged into this community.

This article appears to be referring to his ABC interview (I may be wrong). He also gave an interview to Reuters. Establishing that now.

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I wish James Cameron could time his opinionating to take full account to the relatives of the deceased grieving.

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He gave an interview to Reuters which he lists the sequence of events as he found them out in almost real time, and the probable cause of the accident, which he speculates is the carbon fiber design.

This is the short version (longer soon):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZllNJXqTRiE

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Here is the longer version. Recommended viewing. The thing was a slow-motion disaster waiting to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqm4NsMXEyA

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Don't think it's noble, the need to personally experience it is, well a personal one.

It's as simple as the cost was fine relative to their disposable income, not going to take the money to your grave so you have to spend it on something.

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The fields of technological progress are littered with the death. If only retrospect could return the dead adventurers to life. Sadly, this is a story of incomprehensible waste. More studies were needed. Hubris makes waste. The ill-written poem will pass. Submersibles will not. Why did not patience take charge?

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"Listened with the dead." No excuses.

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Here is the longer version.

Interesting. Sounds like they knew days ago that they were all dead. Comms and transponder being lost simultaneously seems like the critical eveidence that it was all a bit sudden.

The military were probably reluctant to let everyone know that they hear everything.

James Cameron is still a tosser though.

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Lesson Number One: Never depend on the care, good faith, business acumen or technological expertise of billionaires.

Utter crap, ones wealth has nothing to do with expertise, safety issues and guidelines. You as person taking on such a serious and dangerous endeavor should do the research yourself and NEVER fully trust anyone particularly if it is with something or someone that is still in the early startup stages to the game.

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It just goes to show that being rich doesn’t necessarily make you smart.

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According to his aunt the 19 year old student was scared stiff to enter the Titan submersible but wanted to please his father. The four older victims of the disaster could have and should have taken the hint from the name of the submersible which is just 3 letters short of Titanic.

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