Jan 6 panel focuses on how Trump pressured Pence

Eastman wanted a pardon.

They knew that what they were trying to do was illegal and they did it anyway.

Eastman and Trump were unhinged. Everyone was telling them what they were doing wasn't legal, but they did it anyway.

"I implore you to consider one more relatively minor (election) violation and adjourn for 10 days..."

Eastman. Then he contacted Rudy to be put on a pardon list.

What scumbags to democracy.

The Department of Justice has apparently formally requested transcripts of the interviews as it apparently relates to three ongoing criminal investigations. From the evidence today, Trump is either one of them or will be shortly added as a fourth.

There is now no doubt, Trump was actively trying to overthrow an election through a fraudulent scheme and for that he needs to be held liable.

At least one Republican knows that the oath to the Constitution means something.

It was astounding how many people in Trump's inner circle didn't believe the lie in private but spoke out in support of it in public.

Even Rudy gave up. So did Trump's family.

Just a reminder: There was no organized voter fraud of any kind. Zero. Zip, Zilch. Nada. None.

So the entire premise of the plan is based on a lie.

We know it’s a lie because it wasn’t true, Trump was told and knew it wasn’t true, and he pushed it anyway.

Sorry in advance but the “George Constanta” defense is non-operational with regard to obstruction of a Federal proceeding and inciting a riot to overturn a free and fair election.

By-the-by, if (when) someone claims “but he BELIEVED it”, that would lead to the following line of reasoning:

He was told by multiple subject specialists that there was no fraud, that he lost, an effort to overturn would be illegal but he did it anyway because he “believed it.” This is direct evidence that he is suffering from cognitive or psychological impairment and is unfit for office.

His own lawyer, whose emails have been ruled exempt from from privilege due to the crime-fraud exception, claimed the 5th 100 times (que Trump quote on people who take the 5th) and asked to be put on a pardons list.

Yep, totally normal behavior from an attorney who has acted above board.

And Jan 6th again. It’s like a daily thing until Election Day isn’t it?

well…not working much.

Funny how an attempt to overthrow government to overturn the legal results of a free and fair election would tend to make it into the news on a regular basis...

It was astounding how many people in Trump's inner circle didn't believe the lie in private but spoke out in support of it in public.

Even Rudy gave up. So did Trump's family.

When you get subpoenaed and threatened with jail time most people will say anything.

When you get subpoenaed and threatened with jail time most people will say anything.

They would be best served by telling the truth. A lie under oath is not taken lightly.

And Jan 6th again. It’s like a daily thing until Election Day isn’t it?

And why do you think that the attempted coup keeps coming up? Oh yeah, because it was the biggest assault on American democracy. And new and more shocking revelations keep coming out.

The fact is, you can't deny the substance of the allegations, so you resort to detection. "Yeah but, no but" may seem like a viable tactic in elementary school, but not in the grown up world.

Sorry this isn't important to you, Black. Have a nice night.

Bass: When you get subpoenaed and threatened with jail time most people will say anything.

Maybe in your family, but not mine.

The fact that Bass is willing to say anything to avoid government pressure is not a measure of what normal people with nothing to hide do.

Not just me. I’m just saying, depends on the situation and what the Feds want they will use whatever tactic they can until that oyster is open, now as to what that depends on the person and circumstances, but to just say, I wouldn’t cave or bend is delusional to these people and just not dealing with reality if pressure tactics are applied.

How weird and suspicious is the strangest of facts surrounding the investigative activities of Congress that they have never called on Trump to testify, the guy who knows more about January 6 than anyone else! TFG is now an ordinary citizen, well not quite given the millions of dollars annually it costs American taxpayers for the scofflaw reprobate's security detail, but in theory Trump is not above the law (or is he?) and, if justice must be seen to be done, the foot-dragging DOJ has to act before TICK-TOCK, the clock runs out on Trump and all the members of his gangster team headed by Eastman and his treasonous ilk.

US Reamer - Well, Trump did call for "EQUAL TIME!!!" today, so maybe he will voluntarily go in and give a statement under oath?

Fact check engaged:

An elected President who had just lost the current election “pressured” cohersed someone who works for him to do something that the person could NOT LEGALLY do but didn’t want to WOULD NOT DO BECAUSE IT WAS ILLEGAL. And the subordinate didn’t do it so nothing else happened after that Other than the president incited a mob to have him lynched.

the horror.

The horror indeed....

Yep it was bad, but....

This again?

You would too if....

Not me, I'm just sayin....

The midterm election

OH, BINGO! I've got deflection BINGO!

so long!

The scarry part is that Trump is setting the stage to do it all over again.

Super,

If there is any good news, its that any COMPETENT minion has been scared off from doing something so stupid and obviously illegal.

Bass: When you get subpoenaed and threatened with jail time most people will say anything.

Speak for yourself. I wouldnt admit to a fake crime.

Admitting to a fake crime under oath is also perjury, just in case anyone is wondering.

Pence, presiding over the certification in the vice president’s traditional ceremonial role, did not give in. He declared Biden the next president early the next morning, after the congressional session resumed and the rioters were cleared. Lawmakers on the nine-member panel, and the witnesses who testified at the hearing, all described Pence’s decision as having averted a constitutional crisis.

I'm not a Pence fan, but that was a real profile in courage - courage that doesn't exist in the cult-like Repub party anymore...

In video testimony, Pence’s former chief of staff, Marc Short, said that the vice president told Trump “many times” that Pence did not agree with the scheme. But Trump kept the pressure on anyway. On the morning of Jan. 6, as Pence issued a public statement making clear that he would certify the legitimate results of the election, Trump told thousands of his supporters in front of the White House that he hoped Pence would reconsider. The committee showed video from that rally in which Trump said that if Pence doesn’t come through, “I won't like him as much."

And one more glaring example of the cult - Pence was as loyal as any VP - defending Trump while he bungled COVID and stood next to and praised Putin - yet when he decided to protect our democracy, he was tossed over instantly....

In one video, a Trump supporter said he had heard reports that Pence had “caved,” and if he did they were going to drag “politicians through the streets.” As Pence evacuated the Senate and hid in the Capitol, rioters in front of the building chanted “bring him out!” A fake guillotine was constructed on the National Mall, and people breaking into the building chanted “Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence!”

And any Trump supporter that tries to excuse or downplay this just confirms they're deep in the cult's clutches - Pence was with his wife and family, and these pro-Trump domestic terrorists were going to kill them him and likely his family as well. All at the urging of Trump. A killer death cult - just like Jim Jones and Shoko Asahara...

Eastman was subpoenaed by the committee, but repeatedly invoked his Fifth Amendment rights during his interview. 

Hmmmm....I guess didn't he read Trump's memo. ""If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment, Only the mob takes the 5th"....

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/07/politics/donald-trump-fifth-amendment-supreme-court/index.html

BINGO Donald! And the committee is showing what a crime mob and cult your administration was...

The hearing is doing a much better job than what I expected, making everything so much clearer.

Speak for yourself. I wouldnt admit to a fake crime.

Well, that just depends on what the Feds got over you. None of us are superhuman whether you’re a mafiosos, politician or just the average Joe, and if you think you are, you have reached a level of immunity that no other human was able to attain.

In separate video testimony, Trump campaign aide Jason Miller said other aides had told him they thought Eastman “was crazy.”

Jason Miller is one of Trump's closest and most loyal aides - his right-hand man, the guy that went on every network and defended Trump....

Yesterday Roger Stone called Miller a "lying scumbag"....

https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-stone-slams-trump-ally-jason-miller-january-6-testimony-2022-6

The rats are all turning on one another....

The sewer that is Trump-world is being exposed for all to see...

It was astounding how many people in Trump's inner circle didn't believe the lie in private but spoke out in support of it in public

Complete moral degradation.

Enabling a scammer to prey on the unintelligent and the unbalanced ( some of whom went berserk ) is incredibly low. I blame the scammers more than the scammed. You can try to make the best of the bad hand you were dealt at birth, but only to a point .

This was an absolute swamp of an administration.

And Trump continues to fan the flames as he just can't get himself to stop talking about it.

And Trump continues to fan the flames as he just can't get himself to stop talking about it.

Given what he’s been through with the Dems and our….questionable law enforcement, I would say, he has a lot to hold onto.

Just a reminder to The Ronald, er, “Donald”: When your lawyer is told by a WH lawyer to get a “great” lawyer, you need a lawyer.

I hear Rudy has some time on his hands. Oh, wait.... his license has been suspended related to matters pertaining to this matter... oh dear.

Fortunately you raised a QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS (almost exclusively from small dollar donors) for an “Official Election Defense Fund.” What’s that? It doesn’t actually exist? That sounds suspiciously like fraud. Are you familiar with class-action civil claims that in the State of NY can result in triple-damages?

Dude, you need a lawyer.

Bass: Given what he’s been through with the Dems

I think you mean Repubs. And Ivanka. And Pence.

This is what happens when you keep yourself in an information vacuum and don't watch the hearings. Trump's inner circle that he appointed said it was a crazy idea.

The Republican Party and most of it's members will go down in history as the party that tried to overthrow the results of a fair 2020 election. A shameful day for democracy. Trump needs to be charged and pay the price for this insurrection and the resultant deaths caused by this delusional person.

Pence had the courage needed to defend the Constitution of the United States. Trump had the transparent lies needed to incite mindless violence from a mob with no interest in democracy. Not a classic 50:50 scenario.

Trump stated on several occasions that he would be happy to see Pence killed before the January 6th session of Congress. Yet, people still defend Trump. They are defending the indefensible.

Well, that just depends on what the Feds got over you. 

It would indeed! I dare say that if you were under oath and you knew that the Feds knew, and that criminal liability could include years in prison and fines into the millions, then you too might be motivated to testify truthfully about a conspiracy to overthrow the government based on an absurd lie.

If you knew you were guilty, you could take the 5th as Eastman did (checks notes) ONE HUNDRED TIMES. (Remember what Don said about people who take the 5th?)

What you would not do is give false testimony under oath because that too is a crime. Doing so would bung-up any DOJ prosecutions, which they REALLY don’t like.

So buckling under and lying to save ones skin here when it’s all coming out in the end and false testimony will be revealed as such either by the DOJ, or by the news media?

Nope, not a thing.

I think you mean Repubs. And Ivanka. And Pence. 

No, I was specific. I meant the Dems, particularly Schiff, Nadler and Pelosi, but they’re on a time clock so…

This is what happens when you keep yourself in an information vacuum

Huh…information vacuum??? This coming from the people that put Trump before inflation rising gas, food costs, high crime and open borders.

and don't watch the hearings. Trump's inner circle that he appointed said it was a crazy idea.

I would never, the highlights alone give me a good insight of what another failed flop attempt this has been.

Bass: No, I was specific. I meant the Dems, particularly Schiff, Nadler and Pelosi

What did they ever do to Trump?

Huh…information vacuum???

Yes. You aren't watching the hearing.

You know, the Democrats better be careful- they may get exactly what they wish for. That being, Trump being unable to run in 2024. It seems their fear of Trump 2.0 is the driving force behind this investigation. Now, let's speculate on possible scenarios IF that were to happen...

OK, Trump is out for the GOP. That clears the field for other candidates. They no longer have to be afraid of the spectre of The Donald or kowtow to his foibles. That means that anyone can run for the nomination, and let's be honest, the GOP bench is MUCH stronger than the Democrats'. This is especially true if Pres. Biden were to run again. Imagine Biden in a debate with a much younger, more vigorous, more verbally agile candidate like Ron DeSantis or Kristi Noem or Nikki Haley... not a pretty sight. Plus those three would tick so many woke identity politics boxes- first woman, first POC, first Italian-American.... a veritable smorgasbord.

So you may be doing the GOP a favour by putting Trump on ice.

It seems their fear of Trump 2.0 is the driving force behind this investigation.

The driving force is the preservation of a democracy that is under attack.

So you may be doing the GOP a favour by putting Trump on ice.

the downvotes hit that one hard. cause its true.

Liberals dont realize that for MAGA to prosper, it doesnt have to be Trump in 2024.

We are also fine with DeSantis and several others with Trump as "Kingmaker".

So please keep focusing 100% of your resources on Trump while team Red takes back the Congress right in front of your nose.

it doesnt have to be Trump in 2024.

No, it can only be Trump.

We are also fine with DeSantis

DeSantis is Trump's enemy and he cannot be president. Only Trump can be 2024 (and 2028, and beyond)

How can you punish the rioters with prison time, but not punish their leader, who happens to be the former president?

No, it can only be Trump.

(ping) Unserious people have entered the chat.

No, as I said it can be others too, clearly.

But hey thanks for that Tesla mocking, you were wrong on that too. made lots of cash, appreciate it.

Its good to know that I can count on someone always being wrong about everything.

Anyone else get the feeling Trump fans would be OK with authoritarian rule if Trump were in power?

What's been demonstrated, rather vividly, during these hearings is that there were two factions at war with one another in the Trump WH after Nov 6th election - that Trump clearly lost...

You had Team Normal - that knew Trump lost, and was doing what regular administration do during a transition and handover...Pence, Miller, Stepien, Ivanka and Jared, even Kellyanne....

Then there was "Team Crazy"....Rudy, Navarro, Eastman, Meadows, Jeffrey Clark, Sidney Powell...

Trump discarded the normal folks for the outright crazies....the crazies that have now mostly refused a subpoena or pled the 5th....and who begged to be added to the pardon list....

Now we're seeing them turning on each other; Stone calls Miller a "lying scumbag", Kellyane says Trump is lying about the "steal", Barr calls Trump "detached from reality", Stepien says Trump knew he lost and is just grifting his supporters with the fraud allegations....

But the best has to be Eastman arguing with and insulting himself -  “Anybody who thinks that that’s a viable strategy is crazy,”  That's what Eastman said about his own fake electors and phony certification list plot...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/john-eastman-crazy-election-memo-trump.html

As the evidence is showing, without Pence's conscience, this band of bumbling fools almost pulled off our country's first anti-democratic coup...

Anyone else get the feeling Trump fans would be OK with authoritarian rule if Trump were in power?

Hey, what can you say, some people just like strong men!

What did they ever do to Trump?

Rhetorical question??

Yes. You aren't watching the hearing.

Most people aren’t.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/14/ratings-slump-for-second-jan-6-hearing-as-around-10-million-tune-in/

No, give me a list what what these horrible Democrats have done to Trump.

In video testimony, Pence’s former chief of staff, Marc Short, said that the vice president told Trump “many times” that Pence did not agree with the scheme. But Trump kept the pressure on anyway.

No smoking gun here.

This entire attempt by the Democrats to silence their powerful opponent is going to hurt Democrat voters in the end.

Enabling scammers to prey on the unintelligent and the unbalanced ( some of whom went berserk ) is incredibly low. I blame the scammers more than the scammed. You can try to make the best of the bad hand you were dealt at birth, but only to a point .

Attempts to conflate upcoming elections with the results of an investigation into the (pathetically attempted) coup of the government to overthrow the results of a free and fair election are what one might call "Equivalence". The inaccurate attempt to because Trump's party will likely win the mid-terms, his attempts to overthrow an election that he absolutely lost do not matter.

Um, no. It's not the same thing.

The Democrats will probably lose 1 or both houses of Congress due to a combination of bad timing, bad luck and bad politics.

And yet.....

That has no affect upon the basic fact that Donald Trump orchestrated, conspired with others, and instigated an attempted coup.

Fun Fact: The DOJ will be immune to who is in power if (when) it begins a criminal investigation/indictment of the former guy.

Democracy did not need "preserving" and it was not under attack. This was an unserious act committed by unserious people. Do you really think the Viking Hat Guy was thinking farther ahead than his next selfie on Instagram? I understand that a certain amount of hysteria needs to be ginned up to provide a patina of legitimacy to the hearings, but please don't over-reach yourself.

To be honest, I would prefer that Trump not be the nominee in 2024. He has too much baggage and is not needed to lead the MAGA movement. Any reasonably smart and charismatic/younger candidate will prevail easily. If not Biden, who would the Democrats nominate? They are tripping over themselves to NOT endorse poor Joe anyway. So, who is next- Kamala? Hillary going for 0-3?

No, as I said it can be others too, clearly.

Trump and his people will not allow it. Trump hates Desantis. Maga is only Trump. Always has and always will

Yeah I don't think MAGA continues to the same extent without Trump. His base likes it when he lies to them.

DeSantis v Trump would be fun to watch. Two far-right idiots looking for photo ops.

"The inaccurate attempt to claim that because Trump's party will likely win the mid-terms, his attempts to overthrow an election that he absolutely lost do not matter."

What I meant to type. Apologies for the sub-standard proofreading.

it is an accurate claim. because if people really cared, Trump's party wouldnt be winning.

and he wouldnt be leading in the polling for both Republican nominee for 2024 and winning a head to head matchup against Biden in Georgia.

Trump's party wouldnt be winning.

And that is why it has to be Trump 2024 and beyond. Desantis is not MAGA. It's only Trump. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and Kyle Rittenhouse....also George Zimmerman are standing by.

No, give me a list what what these horrible Democrats have done to Trump.

Wait, where were you the last 5 years?? Take your pick besides undoing and weaponizing Feds to ousting Trump, way too numerous to count.

Yeah I don't think MAGA continues to the same extent without Trump. His base likes it when he lies to them.

And this administration believes in truth and integrity? If so, then he should start by stopping to blame Putin for all of his mounting failures.

DeSantis v Trump would be fun to watch. Two far-right idiots looking for photo ops

Whose popularity surpasses Biden and his entire family party comfortably.

Some light reading for you:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/06/11/politics/donald-trump-january-6-democrats-moderate/index.html

“Donald Trump has become more popular since the January 6 Capitol attack”

Trump has to run. He's going to make a fortune off of uneducated conspiracy theorists.

Will he win? Nah. It will be a cash grab then he'll bow out.

Trump claimed serious election fraud in three separate elections he was involved in.

Is anyone here on board with all three? Surely someone has a hat-trick. The buffet approach doesn’t impress me.

Lots of love for DeSantis here.

If DeSantis were to beat Trump, and Trump went to his election fraud line for a fourth time, how would the MAGA crowd react?

Bass: weaponizing Feds

The Dems weaponized the DOJ? I thought Trump's people were in power during his term.

Trump's relative popularity or lack there of (He lost by a record number of votes and is still radioactive beyond his Faux "new" base), has no relation to his potential criminal liability in a conspiracy to overthrow the elected government of the United States.

Trump has to run. He's going to make a fortune off of uneducated conspiracy theorists. 

That’s ok, even those people want to make a living, something this President seems to not care about.

Will he win?

Probably, the Dems will be lucky if they can even get a simple majority at this point and probably won’t for a very long time.

The Dems weaponized the DOJ? I thought Trump's people were in power during his term.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with the Dems weaponizing the Feds.

I don't think Trump has the broad support to win against other Republicans. And a lot of Repubs are tired of him but won't say it. That might change if DeSantis takes the lead.

I don't think Trump has the broad support to win against other Republicans.

Actually, he does, that’s why they hate this guy, most of the GOP candidates that won their primaries, Trump a huge hand in that and the majority of these candidates got his endorsement.

And a lot of Repubs are tired of him

Very true and we are definitely tired of the RINo’s

That might change if DeSantis takes the lead.

If DeSantis even runs

I haven't seen any Trump fans here refuting the allegations made at the hearings. It's all "Dems are gonna lose 2022" and "Dems are distracting us from the issues of inflation and gas prices".

So I'd like to know from the Trump fans here:

Do you think Mike Pence should have followed Trump's demand?

Do you think Donald Trump exercised good judgment in disregarding most of his advisers conclusions about the lack of evidence for widespread voter fraud?

Do you think Donald Trump upheld his oath to the Constitution and to the United States of America when he lambasted Mike Pence in a tweet while the mob was storming the capitol and threatening to hang him (an idea that Trump seemed on board with)? Do you think that constitutes active participation in an insurrection?

What was Donald Trump's motivation on January 6, if not to thwart the orderly and legitimate transfer of power?

Trump is a criminal, he was before he became President, was during his Presidency and continues to be the same today. The evidence is overwhelming that he is a traitor to his country. But the deluded follows of the Big Lie take no mind of facts. If they did they would not have voted for the traitor in the first place.

I haven't seen any Trump fans here refuting the allegations made at the hearings. It's all "Dems are gonna lose 2022" and "Dems are distracting us from the issues of inflation and gas prices".

Yes, because the majority of Americans whether for or against Trump could care less about this sham kangaroo circus show

So I'd like to know from the Trump fans here:

Do you think Mike Pence should have followed Trump's demand?

No

Do you think Donald Trump exercised good judgment in disregarding most of his advisers conclusions about the lack of evidence for widespread voter fraud?

Questionable: there is so much we don’t know and a lot of evidence that these people won’t allow to be heard in trail so based on that and the history that the Dems have with trying to get Trump over the years and the corrupt top echelon of the FBI we might know the full story, just only what the Dems want us to know and their credibility is as abysmal as it gets, so many don’t trust the sincerity of these people.

Do you think Donald Trump upheld his oath to the Constitution and to the United States of America

Yes

when he lambasted Mike Pence in a tweet while the mob was storming the capitol and threatening to hang him (an idea that Trump seemed on board with)?

Like the Dems seem to be ok with attacking a Supreme Court Justice, just silence….

Do you think that constitutes active participation in an insurrection?

It wasn’t an insurrection, trespassing at best (according to the law)

What was Donald Trump's motivation on January 6,

To rightfully question the irregularities of the election process which he constitutionally had every right to do.

Bass: If DeSantis even runs

I think he will. The writing is on the wall with his big media governorship. I think Trump will be even weaker in 2023 and some will see DeSantis as the "fresh guy."

Actually, he does, that’s why they hate this guy, most of the GOP candidates that won their primaries, Trump a huge hand in that and the majority of these candidates got his endorsement.

Um, no. We hate him because he is a lying narcissitic sociopath who has no respect for American Democracy. The fact that he is objectively stupid and woefully incompetent is just icing on the cake.

He lost to Joe Biden in historic fashion. That is just how historically unpopular he was and continues to be.

You mean like Brad Rathensburger or Kemp? Or like the failed gov. candidate in NE or IH? Or like Roy "see a little bit" Moore? How about Mo Brooks? The list of super successful endorsements just goes on and on....

I haven't seen any Trump fans here refuting the allegations

I have they are nonsense.

answers in order to your questions.

yes, yes, yes, no, to get a legitimate court to look into the obvious voting “irregularities” to see if they were evidence of election fraud, and if so, who did it and what could be done to correct it.

That is just how historically unpopular he was and continues to be.

More popular than Biden, right now today.

And more popular back then at the same point in the presidency as Biden is now on the same day.

I think he will.

Not so sure.

The writing is on the wall with his big media governorship.

He loves Florida way too much.

I think Trump will be even weaker in 2023 and some will see DeSantis as the "fresh guy."

Doubt it. If he were weaker he couldn’t pull off more primary wins for these candidates. Which is a shocker for the RINO’s and Dems as well, this why we are doing this sham court trial.

It's not a court. The committee can't arrest or sentence people.

Democracy did not need "preserving" and it was not under attack. This was an unserious act committed by unserious people. Do you really think the Viking Hat Guy was thinking farther ahead than his next selfie on Instagram?

No one is talking about one moron in a Viking hat. The hearings are about Trump lawyer, John Eastman, and others trying to force Mike Pence to throw the results back to GOP-led statehouses, to try and throw the election to Trump, who didn't win the election. To try and pretend there is nothing here, and to ignore how close people got to the VP, and to overthrowing the election is disingenuous.

to get a legitimate court to look into the obvious voting “irregularities” to see if they were evidence of election fraud, and if so, who did it and what could be done to correct it.

Courts dismissed more than 50 lawsuits of alleged electoral fraud and irregularities presented by Trump and allies. U.S. election security officials have said the election was “the most secure in American history”.

Reuters

Stepien, Barr, Kushner, Meadows, his own daughter... all told Trump or stated they didn't believe the election was illegitimate.

Legitimate courts have ruled, even Trump's inner circle get it.

I haven't seen any Trump fans here refuting the allegations

Because they cannot. Every allegation made has had sworn testimony, witness verification, video verification, e-mail verification, etc., etc., etc.,

Let me give you who may not have been paying attention a quick primer into the evolution of Trump Defender Arguments:

Before the Election -

Trump is going to win. I know it. I have bet money on it!

Immediately after the Election but while votes were being counted-

Trump won, stop counting please.

Off to the courts -

We will win in court! (loses) We will win on Appeal! (loses) SCOTUS BELONGS TO US!!!! (Loses badly)

And then -

There was fraud! (There was none). It was the Italians! The Chinese! Hugo Chavez!

We will reverse it on Dec 14th! (They didn't)

And then came the bad parts -

We are here at Trump's invitation!

Bring out (insert name of politician you don't like for execution)!

In the aftermath -

It wasn't a riot

Ok, it WAS a riot that just got out of hand

OK it had some amount of planning but it didn't involve Trump!

These were not really serious crimes!

It was Antifa/BLM/FBI

This was not a "Serious effort" to overthrow the government (As if that makes a difference)

But what about Hunter?

It was a long time ago!

The elections are coming!

Trump is my savior!

This is a fairly accurate distillation of the fairly depressing excuses given for a narcissitc sociopath inciting a coup because he lost an election.

The "Nobody Cares" people used to be "Just you wait till the massive fraud comes out!" people. But to say so now would mark them as gullible rubes. So they deflect deny and equivocate.

yes, yes, yes, no, to get a legitimate court to look into the obvious voting “irregularities” to see if they were evidence of election fraud, and if so, who did it and what could be done to correct it.

These are the same allegations Bill Barr claimed under oath were BS. Was he lying? Is he just part of the deep state?

Should Kamala Harris refuse to transfer power if she personally believes there was fraud? Sounds like Trump fans seem to think so.

Oh big Bill Barr fan now?

wasn’t he the one you said unlawfully doctored the Mueller Report?

but just at this moment he is a paragon of truth and virtue?

It's not a court. The committee can't arrest or sentence people.

You would actually think that, but given the cedar the Dems have to getting Trump along with 2 failed desperate loser Republicans with this witch hunt would make you think differently.

Oh big Bill Barr fan now?

oh, now you're not a big Bill Barr fan now?

but just at this moment he is a paragon of truth and virtue?

Considering he testified under oath, and considering all of those super credible fraud cases Trump took to court were all thrown out, yeah, I believe him. Much more plausible than the nonsensical election fraud stories Trump was touting.

Should Kamala Harris refuse to transfer power if she personally believes there was fraud? Sounds like Trump fans seem to think so.

We don’t need to worry about her getting into that position, even Dems don’t want her.

Should Kamala Harris refuse to transfer power if she personally believes there was fraud? Sounds like Trump fans seem to think so

absolutely. You think she wouldn’t if it had been her and Pelosi and Schumer instead of Pence in this exact situation? They would have caused the “constitutional crisis” needed to get to the bottom of what happened.

instead we got “too late” and “no standing” as reasons courts wouldn’t order investigations to get evidence. We still don’t know if the constitution allows this action or not because Pence was too coward to put it into motion to see.

People I am “fans” of can be wrong. They can also for personal reasons choose to not risk themselves to get involved in things if they are not forced to.

What does Bill Barr personally care of Trump gets robbed of an election? He just needs to keep himself out of any trouble and make sure there are no leftists banging drums outside his own house.

self preservation. Lots of these people did it and doing it still even they know what really happened.

So I'd like to know from the Trump fans here:

Do you think Mike Pence should have followed Trump's demand?

No

Well, Trump then just decreed you "weak" and a "wimp" - just like he said of Pence. And I hope there's no gallows built outside your house...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/16/jan-6-hearing-takeaways-trump-pence/7633569001/?gnt-cfr=1

Do you think Donald Trump exercised good judgment in disregarding most of his advisers conclusions about the lack of evidence for widespread voter fraud?

Questionable:

Nothing questionable about Trump KNOWING he lost, but continuing the Big Lie to further scam and fleece his flock...

so many don’t trust the sincerity of these people.

Yea, "those people" - all his close confidants that were heroes in MAGA-world; Barr, Miller, Kelleyane, Ivanka...

Do you think Donald Trump upheld his oath to the Constitution and to the United States of America

Yes

ROFL....

when he lambasted Mike Pence in a tweet while the mob was storming the capitol and threatening to hang him (an idea that Trump seemed on board with)?

Like the Dems seem to be ok with attacking a Supreme Court Justice, just silence….

Tap out - "But What About"...

Do you think that constitutes active participation in an insurrection?

It wasn’t an insurrection, trespassing at best (according to the law)

Wrong. Sedition...

https://www.live5news.com/2022/03/02/ala-man-is-first-convicted-seditious-conspiracy-jan-6-capitol-riot/

What was Donald Trump's motivation on January 6,

To rightfully question the irregularities of the election process which he constitutionally had every right to do.

Wrong. He had the right to present evidence in a court of law - which he couldn't do and lost 64 times...

So he and Team Crazy concocted a scheme to invalidate the will of the people by using "fraudulent electors and fake certification lists" - something even its own author Eastman admitted was "crazy"....

Bass: We don’t need to worry about her getting into that position, even Dems don’t want her.

She will be in that position in January 2025. Does she have the authority to cancel the election and send fake electors to vote for the Dem candidate? Some Trump fans seem to think so.

People I am “fans” of can be wrong. They can also for personal reasons choose to not risk themselves to get involved in things if they are not forced to.

Right, but they can't lie under oath, which is why I believe Barr when he says he told Trump these electoral fraud conspiracies were BS. It's also why John Eastman plead the 5th over 100 times.

No. These election fraud claims are nonsense.

Black, that ship has sailed. If you think Dems stole the election then so be it. Your tears taste good.

She will be in that position in January 2025.

And lose beyond badly.

Does she have the authority to cancel the election and send fake electors to vote for the Dem candidate? Some Trump fans seem to think so.

They can think whatever they want, some people think Biden is a smart guy and that Kamala grew up in the states, who am I to challenge what people personally want to believe in.

Seems like a good plan to keep Democrats in the White House indefinitely.

Well, Trump then just decreed you "weak" and a "wimp"

Hardly, the guy doesn't even know me.

Nothing questionable about Trump KNOWING he lost,

But as far as all of the players involved and the honesty and integrity of the Dems and FBI KNOWING how much they have lied over the years to oust this guy from office, we can most definitely ask questions about the election irregularities.

Yea, "those people" - all his close confidants that were heroes in MAGA-world; Barr, Miller, Kelleyane, Ivanka...

Well, we don't know what they were told to say or offered for their testimonies.

Tap out - "But What About"...

Tap out: as usual, the left becomes dead silent.

Wrong. Sedition...

Lesser sentence and nowhere near a so-called insurrection.

Wrong. He had the right to present evidence in a court of law

As many times as he can, of course, he can.

So he and Team Crazy concocted a scheme to invalidate the will of the people

But it was ok to deny the will of the people for 5 years and getting a former British spy and corrupt FBI agents to assist was ok?

Seems like a good plan to keep Democrats in the White House indefinitely.

That is just not going to happen. ROFL

Bass - what SL is saying is that if we followed the logic of "Team Crazy", then the VP can always keep their party in power by only counting the electoral votes that they want to. Gore could have, but didn't. VP Biden could have awarded the 2016 to Clinton, but didn't. Same thing with Pence. It's just not the way things are supposed to work.

what SL is saying is that if we followed the logic of "Team Crazy",

Summarizing this admin.

Well, Trump then just decreed you "weak" and a "wimp"

Hardly, the guy doesn't even know me.

Your words - you said "No" when asked if Pence should have done what Trump asked on Jan 6th....

Trump thinks everyone that supported Pence and not him is "weak".... By your own words, you've earned that honor...

*Nothing questionable about Trump KNOWING he lost,*

But as far as all of the players involved

And one of those players was his trusted campaign manager said Trump KNEW he lost, but kept up the Big Lie to grift his supporters...

Yea, "those people" - all his close confidants that were heroes in MAGA-world; Barr, Miller, Kelleyane, Ivanka...

Well, we don't know what they were told to say or offered for their testimonies.

WOW! These paragons of MAGA-world are all traitors who sold out for money? And then committed perjury while under oath before the committee? That's some admission...

Tap out - "But What About"...

Tap out: as usual, the left becomes dead silent.

We asked first - and you punted....

Wrong. Sedition...

Lesser sentence and nowhere near a so-called insurrection.

Lesser sentence? It's a felony....keep digging....

Wrong. He had the right to present evidence in a court of law

As many times as he can, of course, he can.

And compile a new losing record...

So he and Team Crazy concocted a scheme to invalidate the will of the people

But it was ok to deny the will of the people for 5 years and getting a former British spy and corrupt FBI agents to assist was ok?

I don't know - that wasn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Now back to the question - explain "fraudulent electors and phony certification lists" to us - a scheme who's author thought was "crazy"...

Black: there is another election in 4.5 months.

Not with Trump, and that's the only thing you care about. He was voted out of office by patriotic Americans.

Bass: That is just not going to happen. ROFL

You're right. Biden and Harris would never do that.

Trump did.

there is so much we don’t know and a lot of evidence that these people won’t allow to be heard in trail

Multiple recounts and audits in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin. By Republicans. No sign of significant fraud.

The recount in Arizona by the Cyber Ninjas (Trump's own team) ended up finding more votes for Biden.

2020 voter fraud is a silly myth, no matter how many people have "questions" and "doubts". Trump knew this, but he just couldn't stand losing, so he set out to get the whole thing thrown out.

It's pretty simple.