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Jeb Bush links Clinton to rise of Islamic State

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Ah, now this is interesting.

When brother George (and his smoking gun cronies) made all of those outragious clams about WMDs the press followed along like whimps.

Will they take Jeb to task this time and call bullsh#t on this bit of fiction or will we see a repeat?

Actually not just Jeb. I'd like to see the press QUESTION everything that every candidate mouths.

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There's the pot calling the kettle black.

What about your big brother, Jeb?

You know, the one who killed hundreds of thousands in a war based on lies.

And how was it you won the election in Florida, exactly?

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Even Americans aren't stupid enough to believe anything that comes out of Little Bush's mouth. He looks too much like his idiot war criminal brother.

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Kenny, sadly you will see a frequent poster or two on here fly in any minute and make out like anything that isn't a semiautomatic gun carrying, conservative, GOP fan boy is the worse thing that walked the earth.

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Bush and Clinton are a real pair. They were both in for the war and occupation of Iraq that destabilized the whole region and gave rise to IS. The Reps and Dems are just two sides of the same imperial coin, though they will mouth off back and forth about which party causes more havoc on the planet. Yawn...

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Jeb! is wrong with his diagnosis, wrong with his prescription, and mistaken in assuming Americans have forgotten the farce that was his brother's presidency. His best option would be a blanket apology for what his brother did; second best would be to simply ignore the issue. Worst would be what he just did.

Jeb! will never be president.

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^ Clinton has a gentler machine gun finger.

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It is not time to bash Hillary jeb gave more chance to Trump He is making sure Trumo will be GOP vsnficate

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In the Orwellian Republican Wonderland peace is war and down is up. So sayeth the annointed Bush 45 (God forbid). The nomination is most likely to go to whoever hires political hitman Karl Rove to wreak dirty tricks on his opponents.

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all the strength, unity and confidence that only American leadership can provide

Would Jeb! care to give some specific examples of American tough-guy success from the past few decades? (Without mentioning the myth that Saint Ronnie single-handedly ended the cold war.)

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^ GRENADA!!

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Remember when Hillary said, "Assad's days are numbered"... four years ago.

Her Syria policy of backing the jihadists failed completely.

Haha.

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This is a crass political sandbagging that insults the intelligence of 320 million Americans and the memory of 4,500 military personnel sent to their deaths by the murderous brother of this fatuous poseur. Disgusting.

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Jeb! is fooling no one.

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The ill conceived War on Iraq, started by George W (Weapons of Mass Deception) Bush destabilized Iraq and the entire region ... his distorted policy is responsible for the creation of ISIS.

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Hillary (Weapons of Mass Destruction) was in the international drivers seat supporting the Arab Spring. Afghanistan was justified after Al-Qaida attacked USA. Iraq was very questionable. The intel was flawed or false. The history of Sadam supported the intel and the actions of Sadam warranted his removal.

Obama chose to withdraw against the opinion of many and his JV league turned into a major global threat.

Jeb is more honorable than Hillary could ever be. He's not my guy but I would trust him much more than Clinton. And Jeb is his own man. Closed minds seem to paint everything the same color, can't change them, can only let the fall.

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Its.know worldwide that ISIS is the result of American foreing policy (obama administration).

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“This is a pretty bold attempt to rewrite history and reassign responsibility,” Sullivan told reporters. “President Bush signed an agreement that required us to be out by 2011.” - “That’s the position we all agreed to,” said James Jeffrey, the former U.S. ambassador to Iraq and a deputy national security adviser under President George W. Bush" - article

The reader sees again AWOL Bush got all of it wrong and now Bubbles Bush blows his bombast trumpet marching puppy-dog in the trenches of deceit his brother dug deep into the reality of BushWars.

No wonder Trump romances the racists and leaves Bubbles to his delusional mouthings practiced before the mirror for two years and now unveiled in his robotic trance of denial.

Bubbles has one saving grace, AWOL won't stump for him and risk arrest for war crimes. Barbara Bush had it right so long ago, 'America has had enough of Bushes'. A wise lady punished by dunces for sons.

Worst, all of America is threatened by the return of the GOP-Tea cult of deception fawning after the cloaked incest and overt racism of Trump reported in JT. 'Onward Christian Soldiers' as they used to chant and many in the GOP-Tea intend just that.

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Supporting a secure border is not at all racist. Entering the USA legally is not opposed by anyone. Foolish to believe otherwise.

ISIS is all Obama. His support of the uprisings, his insistence on withdrawal, and his blind eye when destroying the formation was an easy task.

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And how was it you won the election in Florida, exactly?

Hmmm.....Jeb had an over 80% approval rating. Jeb is NOT GW and if you want to criticize him, go after his record. Oh, the Dems tried that, not much to go after, so let's attack him through his brother. Desperate, desperate.

Remember when Hillary said, "Assad's days are numbered"... four years ago. Her Syria policy of backing the jihadists failed completely.

Haha.

It's as bad as the Sainted Anointed ones infamous Red Line ultimatum which proved to be a flop as with everything else with this guy. Of course, she is connected, she was the one that pushed for the removal of Gaddafi and Mubarak and of course there's Benghazi, the server, the private mails that "damn" just will NOT go away.

The ill conceived War on Iraq, started by George W (Weapons of Mass Deception) Bush destabilized Iraq and the entire region ... his distorted policy is responsible for the creation of ISIS.

Actually, NO. ISIS was an outgrowth of a failed Obama foreign policy. When Bush was president, there was NO ISIS. If you want to quibble about Bush going in to Iraq, that is surely debatable, but the launch of ISIS happened and is still happening under Obama's watch. The man is the worst president and Hillary the worst Secretary of State. Obama was reminded to take action by the majority of top senior Pentagon generals and what did Obama do to stem the growth of ISIS that he knew of since 2011...? Nothing.

Hillary (Weapons of Mass Destruction) was in the international drivers seat supporting the Arab Spring. Afghanistan was justified after Al-Qaida attacked USA. Iraq was very questionable. The intel was flawed or false. The history of Sadam supported the intel and the actions of Sadam warranted his removal.

Which was a good thing.

Obama chose to withdraw against the opinion of many and his JV league turned into a major global threat.

Which emboldened ISIS, and the Iranian regime.

Jeb is more honorable than Hillary could ever be. He's not my guy but I would trust him much more than Clinton. And Jeb is his own man. Closed minds seem to paint everything the same color, can't change them, can only let the fall.

I agree.

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@MarkG = neoconservative American lapdog

Was that some sort of comeback? LOL

Breaking News= Seems like the DOJ are seizing Hillary's servers with Top Secret and classified information. But I thought she wouldn't turn it over. Now we have the FBI investigating her. This doesn't look good for the woman, but as we know she is just such an honest person. I'm getting the popcorn!!

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Nice to call names. If only the whole wide world would think exactly the same. I prefer diversity. Challenge! Left leads like robots and it shows.

Oh, breaking news!!!! Hillary's server is to be seized! She is such an honorable woman will remain in many opinions. She risked national security and she has the gaul to run for president!

Sure am glad I'm me. Led with false and inaccurate information is the liberal tactic. So simple to see it daily.

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Bush Jr war on Iraq -> Rise of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Al-Qaeda in Iraq -> Evolved into ISIS

Sorry, did the maths, cannot find a Clinton in it ...

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@Bertie

There's the pot calling the kettle black. What about your big brother, Jeb?

Hold on now just because Jeb and W are related doesn't mean Jeb is complicit with what happened in Iraq. That is just guilt by association and is nonsense. That would be like saying that Hillary is complicit in the many affairs of her husband and complicit in his abuse of several of them (according to the victims). Just because they are married doesn't mean that she was making excuses for his philandering for political purposes...... oh - wait a minute....

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I think Jeb is going to start a bigger war in middleeast. The war stretching from Syria to Afghanistan and Iran is to be on the hit list

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It may start before the next president has anything to do with it. The growth and strides far outpace any suppression tactic to date. And the present to Iran may escalate regional tensions dramatically.

So, elephant, don't be overly concerned. I don't put my money on Jeb and Hillary's ship is sinking fast! Sanders and ? may be more realistic. Trump will soon fade. If Biden gets in and he may be pushed after this Hillary breach of law with her server. That is unless it is covered up like all the other scandals and the IRS/VA scandals.

Time to roll up the sleeves and get the work done. Pussy footin around is clearly a failure.

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Bush Jr war on Iraq - Rise of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Al-Qaeda in Iraq - Evolved into ISIS

Sorry, did the maths, cannot find a Clinton in it ...

Don't worry, I'll do it for you.

Yes, it is true that there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq when George W. Bush took office. But it is equally true that there was essentially no Al Qaeda in Iraq remaining when Barack Obama took office.

Which makes Bush responsible for the terrible costs incurred to defeat the 2003-09 jihadist war engendered by his invasion. We can debate forever whether those costs were worth it, but what is not debatable is Obama’s responsibility for the return of the Islamist insurgency that had been routed by the time he became President.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/price-obama-neglect-article-1.1836790

I think Jeb is going to start a bigger war in middleeast. The war stretching from Syria to Afghanistan and Iran is to be on the hit list.

If that needs to be done in order to contain ISIS, so be it. Now I will say this, for the libs that think Hillary is a Saint, don't be too sure, I do believe unlike Obama she too wouldn't hesitate to us military action if she felt it was necessary, the same as Jeb would. But thanks to Obama we might have to sooner or later go back.

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“The threat of global jihad, and of the Islamic State in particular, requires all the strength, unity and confidence that only American leadership can provide,” Bush said.

Thanks, Bush, but Obama has a coalition of over 20 countries acting together in the middle of a civil war in enemy territory. But I'm sure you'd step in and have this wrapped up in no time.

The alternative would have been for the U.S. to maintain troops in Iraq without legal protections and against the will of the host country.

That's the key piece of information that the GOP keeps out of the Republican bubble. Never in my life have I heard of a Republican talking about this or knowing anything about this in conversations that I've had.

Bush has yet to say exactly what a U.S.-led campaign against the Islamic State would look like if he is elected president.

Why would he do that? GOP supporters do not look to their leaders for plans. They just want to hear the next round of criticism for Obama's plans. I never thought I'd see the day when the GOP turned into Europeans, yet here we are.

In a speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California

Republicans keep idolizing Reagan but the dirty little secret is that he wouldn't stand a chance getting elected by the GOP today.

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Thanks, Bush, but Obama has a coalition of over 20 countries acting together in the middle of a civil war in enemy territory. But I'm sure you'd step in and have this wrapped up in no time.

What 20 countries?

That's the key piece of information that the GOP keeps out of the Republican bubble. Never in my life have I heard of a Republican talking about this or knowing anything about this in conversations that I've had.

Oh, really?

Why would he do that? GOP supporters do not look to their leaders for plans.

And what do libs look for from their leaders beside a handout?

Republicans keep idolizing Reagan but the dirty little secret is that he wouldn't stand a chance getting elected by the GOP today.

the same goes for Dems and Kennedy. Same thing when you flip it around. Gosh, I really hope you are not putting Obama and Reagan in the same boat. It's like comparing a BMW to Daihatsu.

They just want to hear the next round of criticism for Obama's plans.

He has a plan??? That would be a fist.

I never thought I'd see the day when the GOP turned into Europeans, yet here we are.

If I want to be like Europe, I would have moved there. I don't want to be anything like Europe.

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It's Bush's brother's grudge against Saddam Hussein that kicked off the chaos in the middle east. Saudi Arabia funded and carried out the attack in New York, but instead of attacking the Saudis Bush decided to invade Iraq under a cover of lies and deceit to get even with Saddam for insulting his daddy.

Because of this childish grudge we have ended up in the current mess. It beggars belief that the American people would be stupid enough to elect yet another Bush, flushing trillions more dollars down the drain on useless wars as a result. Surely they can do better than that?

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It's Bush's brother's grudge against Saddam Hussein that kicked off the chaos in the middle east.

And with good reason and after 14 resolutions Saddam was given time to leave Iraq, he chose not to and the rest is as we know history.

Saudi Arabia funded and carried out the attack in New York, but instead of attacking the Saudis Bush decided to invade Iraq under a cover of lies and deceit to get even with Saddam for insulting his daddy.

Can you please show proof that Bush went to war because Saddam insulted his father.

Because of this childish grudge we have ended up in the current mess.

Don't forget to throw Obama and Hillary in as well. Why you libs keep forgetting that?

It beggars belief that the American people would be stupid enough to elect yet another Bush,

Or a Clinton (especially)

flushing trillions more dollars down the drain on useless wars as a result. Surely they can do better than that?

But who is out there? Who can we trust?

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Hillary may not be the best choice for president, but she's not to blame for the rise of IS.

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Yep, no conservatives on this site ever label or insult. Bass told me yesterday that most liberals are liars

In this White House and going by the last 7 years of the litany of lies that were told by the Dems/Libs, yes and without a doubt.

and most conservatives are honest based on fact.

I never said that, there are conservatives that lie, but the last 7 years there was just nothing like it. The Pinocchio theory really applies to these goons.

He may have research proving conservatives have better manners too.

They actually do, but that is a different subject for a different topic and different thread.

Getting back on point, after 12 years of absolute chaos in this part of the world kicked off by a deceitful invasion with absolutely no concern or plan for rebuilding, wouldn't the sensible option be to get the hell out of this mess?

Don't forget to add Obama and Hillary to that mess that is still going on.

Jeb is throwing red meat to those who are itching for cool footage of missiles flying through front doors and the chimps at Fox bouncing excitedly around in their cages. I mean, how long can the US right go without this?

Good on him, since this administration has just given the keys to Iran and started an arms race in the region, I would have said the same thing. Kudos to him.

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After 12 years of utter chaos in this part of the world kicked off by disgraceful liars with no concern for the mayhem they would leave behind, wouldn't the commonsensical answer be to get the hell out of this mess and stay out? Unfortunately, this isn't what the rightists want to hear and Jeb is throwing out red meat.

I mean, how long can the US right go without footage of missiles flying through front doors, rhetoric like 'Bulls and horns' and Fox hosts bouncing around like rabbits in heat?

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bass4funk,

Yes, it is true that there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq when George W. Bush took office. But it is equally true that there was essentially no Al Qaeda in Iraq remaining when Barack Obama took office.

Which makes Bush responsible for the terrible costs incurred to defeat the 2003-09 jihadist war engendered by his invasion.

Both Bush and Obama are/were US presidents.

They represent(ed) their country.

The US is judged by the rest of the world, not by its internal politics but by what it does AS A COUNTRY.

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After 12 years of utter chaos in this part of the world kicked off by disgraceful liars with no concern for the mayhem they would leave behind, wouldn't the commonsensical answer be to get the hell out of this mess and stay out?

So now all of a sudden you are a military strategist and you can read what was in the mind of the commanders and the president as well as the other agencies that were involved? Huh, well...ain't that something?

Unfortunately, this isn't what the rightists want to hear and Jeb is throwing out red meat.

No, they can hear it, they just don't want to listen to liberal hypocrites and this president and his minions are the biggest ones at least for the next 2 years!

I mean, how long can the US right go without footage of missiles flying through front doors, rhetoric like 'Bulls and horns' and Fox hosts bouncing around like rabbits in heat?

What?

Both Bush and Obama are/were US presidents.

Yes

They represent(ed) their country.

Yes

The US is judged by the rest of the world, not by its internal politics but by what it does AS A COUNTRY.

That may be true, but who cares? Why should we care what other people think? I always supported the removal of Saddam, I just didn't like how the international community and the intelligence agency came up with these false charges ultimately that lead to the removal of the Tyrant, which was a side issue.

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'After 12 years of utter chaos in this part of the world kicked off by disgraceful liars with no concern for the mayhem they would leave behind, wouldn't the commonsensical answer be to get the hell out of this mess and stay out?

So now all of a sudden you are a military strategist and you can read what was in the mind of the commanders and the president as well as the other agencies that were involved? Huh, well...ain't that something?'

No, I'm not a military strategist. I do remember being told the invading forces would be greeted as liberators and being told 'mission accomplished'. Looking back, those things would be comical if it wasn't for the fact of a disgusting bloodbath and utter failure. I'm just looking at what happened. Bush apparently had the biblical demons Gog and Magog on his mind. Oh, didn't you report from the front line in Iraq? Did you interview any of the commanders? Did you interview Gog or Magog? I heard they are liberals. Is this true?

Come on, Bass, be honest ( remember you are a conservative and it's liberals who usually lie ). You love the Bulls and horns rhetoric ( you've used it before ) and don't tell me you didn't get off on all that missile footage and felt proud to be American. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

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bass4funk,

Why should we (the U.S.A.) care what other people think?

Well, one day, perhaps you will learn.

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All I have to say to Jeb is this. If I were him, I wouldn't spend too much time criticising Clinton for anything related to Iraq & ISIS. He is just asking for abuse. And for critics to tie him to his brother.

Just as I would advise Clinton not to go after Trump too much in relation to the supposed war on women by him and Republicans. Because obviously it is too easy to throw it back in her face given her husband's indiscretions.

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bass4funk

Yes, it is true that there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq when George W. Bush took office. But it is equally true that there was essentially no Al Qaeda in Iraq remaining when Barack Obama took office

Looking at your second sentence, it only holds because you included the clause 'in Iraq'. Fact is that they were not in Iraq then because they'd slipped across the border into Syria, where they morphed into ISIS. i.e. it is thanks to Bush that Al Qaeda became active in Iraq; Al Qaeda in Iraq became ISIS in Syria; Bush's fault.

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Pathetic, as usual, and now this latest shrub is taking cues from his brother's playbook even though he himself CAN'T admit if Iraq was a failure or not (he keeps flip-flopping, if he'll answer at all and not simply say, "I don't think it's respectful to answer that!"). It was his brother's policies that created ISIS. Period. His plans?

Interviewer: What are your plans, Mr. Bush?

Bush: To be strong.

Interview: What do you mean?

Bush: To be strong, like America should be!

Interview: Okay... and, by doing what, exactly?

Bush: By leading strongly!

Interview: And what is your plan to lead the nation strongly through the current crises, then?

Bush: To be strong! Stop asking me questions! It's all Hillary's fault! The invasion of Iraq! EVERYTHING!

Only in the US would this moron, and others like him, get cheers of hurrah and praise for coming up with absolutely nothing by way of plans. And then you have the LEADER of the current GOP candidates, who literally says, "My plans will come later. You'll see!" and the people LAP IT UP!! He's GAINED popularity after the debate, just proving that the GOP and its followers LOVE sexist, racist old white men who throw temper tantrums and can't take any criticism.

bass: are you freaking out that Trump is literally beating up Faux News and they can do nothing about it? Or do you still agree with Trump's point of view on things and are against Faux News? You must be imploding.

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ISIS was formed in 2006 in Iraq. Someone remind me of who was in charge when that happened.

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'ISIS was formed in 2006 in Iraq. Someone remind me of who was in charge when that happened.'

The bankers were in charge of the US and nobody could say they were in charge of Iraq as it disintegrated into vicious sectarian conflict.

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Well, the role of Hillary in the disastrous US policy mistake of supporting Al Quaeda in Libya and Bengazi-gate is obvious, however I am still waiting to hear one of these candidates demonstrating an understanding of the political situation in the Middle East and the role of radical islam.

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His brother and father sure did not provide the leadership. What a sorry family in my opinion.

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'After 12 years of utter chaos in this part of the world kicked off by disgraceful liars with no concern for the mayhem they would leave behind, wouldn't the commonsensical answer be to get the hell out of this mess and stay out?

Likewise the from 2010 the Obama admin. failed and I think more accurately, didn't care and didn't want to take any aggressive action towards clamping down on ISIS and now look at the mess we are in.

No, I'm not a military strategist. I do remember being told the invading forces would be greeted as liberators and being told 'mission accomplished'.

True, but Obama also said that ISIS was a JV team, nothing to worry about and we have them on the run, really? Well, that turned out to be an absolute lie.

Looking back, those things would be comical if it wasn't for the fact of a disgusting bloodbath and utter failure. I'm just looking at what happened. Bush apparently had the biblical demons Gog and Magog on his mind.

I remember when Charlie Gibson asked Bush about God and Bush NEVER, again..NEVER said it was God that propelled him to go to war. I don't understand why the looney left keeps perpetuating this flat out BS lie. Being committed to his faith as a Christian doesn't mean that the man longs to go to battle. Stay away from Daily Kos and Think Progress, it's not helping your argument.

Oh, didn't you report from the front line in Iraq? Did you interview any of the commanders? Did you interview Gog or Magog? I heard they are liberals. Is this true?

hmmmm...are you friends with Snoop?

Come on, Bass, be honest ( remember you are a conservative and it's liberals who usually lie ).

Must've struck a nerve now!

You love the Bulls and horns rhetoric ( you've used it before ) and don't tell me you didn't get off on all that missile footage and felt proud to be American. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

I have nothing to be ashamed about. I felt proud when I saw Saddam getting his final justice.

Well, one day, perhaps you will learn.

No, don't think so. The world needs us more than we need it.

Fact is that they were not in Iraq then because they'd slipped across the border into Syria,

They were still Iraqis slipping into Syria and trying to fight that crazy civil unrest that escalated into a full scale war.

where they morphed into ISIS.

At that time, Obama was already President or are you saying Bush was secretly calling shots from the WH during that time?

i.e. it is thanks to Bush that Al Qaeda became active in Iraq; Al Qaeda in Iraq became ISIS in Syria; Bush's fault.

Yes and equally it's Obama's fault as well for not renegotiating a SOFA agreement, NOT following up on his Top Generals recommendations for tackling ISIS and all the innocent people that have been brutally murdered men, women and children and thousands of Christians that were tortured and beheaded, of course Obama is at fault and is responsible, but like most libs, the only thing they care about is themselves.

ISIS was formed in 2006 in Iraq. Someone remind me of who was in charge when that happened.

After the Syrian Civil War began in March 2011, the ISI, under the leadership of al-Baghdadi, sent delegates into Syria in August 2011. These fighters named themselves Jabhat an-Nuṣrah li-Ahli ash-Shām—al-Nusra Front—and established a large presence in Sunni-majority areas of Syria, within the governorates of Ar-Raqqah, Idlib, Deir ez-Zor, and Aleppo.

This is the critical moment, now I know libs love to change historical facts, but the ISIS that we know of today in its current form evolved around 2011, if you want to say an Islamic State formed before that a radical offshoot that was secretly underground plotting and planning began around 1999 and who was president then? Mr. Skirt chaser.

Pathetic, as usual, and now this latest shrub is taking cues from his brother's playbook even though he himself CAN'T admit if Iraq was a failure or not (he keeps flip-flopping, if he'll answer at all and not simply say, "I don't think it's respectful to answer that!").

Maybe he doesn't see it as a failure, I mean, Hillary thinks she was a great Secretary of State. Buh haha ha ha ha!

It was his brother's policies that created ISIS. Period. His plans?

Sadly, it was not so. but you can certainly blame him for going in as the hard facts Obama didn't do anything to ISIS and knowingly watched them grow in ferocity, size and strength.

Only in the US would this moron, and others like him, get cheers of hurrah and praise for coming up with absolutely nothing by way of plans.

Why do you care? You can't vote anyway. Chill dude.

And then you have the LEADER of the current GOP candidates, who literally says, "My plans will come later. You'll see!" and the people LAP IT UP!!

I'm still shocked that there are still quite a few people that like Hillary, who by the way, never elaborated as to what her (chuckle) vision is for America. My vision is, she might be in a Federal courthouse testifying somewhere soon.

He's GAINED popularity after the debate, just proving that the GOP and its followers LOVE sexist, racist old white men who throw temper tantrums and can't take any criticism.

are you freaking out that Trump is literally beating up Faux News and they can do nothing about it?

I don't freak out, I'm not that kind of person. As for FOX, their ratings and Kelly's have been through the roof, so Kudos to Trump on that. It was a boost, but I still think Trump should fade away.

Or do you still agree with Trump's point of view on things and are against Faux News? You must be imploding.

No, I do agree on many issues with the man, but that doesn't mean I think he's presidential, NO WAY! No Trump, Clinton or Bernie.

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Willi,

I am still waiting to hear one of these candidates demonstrating an understanding of the political situation in the Middle East and the role of radical islam.

Don't forget the role of radical Christians and radical Jews. I'm not sure Fox will give you decent talking points in this area willi. Mention the Hadiths or something, that really makes you look knowledgeable when ranting about Islam to like minded fundies...

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This is the critical moment, now I know libs love to change historical facts, but the ISIS that we know of today in its current form evolved around 2011, if you want to say an Islamic State formed before that a radical offshoot that was secretly underground plotting and planning began around 1999 and who was president then? Mr. Skirt chaser.

Wow Bass. Way to articulate the point, then throw the cherry on top with the skirt chaser reference.

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I pity American people. The choice is between...Bush...Clinton...and Trump? Seriously? Poor American people...

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Don't forget the role of radical Christians and radical Jews. I'm not sure Fox will give you decent talking points in this area willi. Mention the Hadiths or something, that really makes you look knowledgeable when ranting about Islam to like minded fundies...

Problem is, how many Jews and Christians threatened people, became suicide bombers went on killing spree DAILY and on TV, beheaded people and established a caliphate in the name of God? Not even close.

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"I pity American people. The choice is between...Bush...Clinton...and Trump? Seriously? Poor American people..."

The chickens have come home to roost for USA. US politics now one big gong show, starting with rightwing dipshit reuplicans.

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'Looking back, those things would be comical if it wasn't for the fact of a disgusting bloodbath and utter failure. I'm just looking at what happened. Bush apparently had the biblical demons Gog and Magog on his mind.

I remember when Charlie Gibson asked Bush about God and Bush NEVER, again..NEVER said it was God that propelled him to go to war. I don't understand why the looney left keeps perpetuating this flat out BS lie. Being committed to his faith as a Christian doesn't mean that the man longs to go to battle. Stay away from Daily Kos and Think Progress, it's not helping your argument.'

I don't know what Daily Kos and Think Progress are. I'm going on what Bush allegedly said to them French President Jaques Chirac who has since confirmed this in interviews and print. Gog and Magog were causing all kinds of diabolical mischief in the Middle East. Chirac didn't know who these diabolical forces were. Chirac thought Bush was deranged.

'No, I'm not a military strategist. I do remember being told the invading forces would be greeted as liberators and being told 'mission accomplished'.

True, but Obama also said that ISIS was a JV team, nothing to worry about and we have them on the run, really? Well, that turned out to be an absolute lie.'

You're back in partisan mode, Bass. Deep breaths now and try to calm down and stop using block capitals. My view of this is that the west has to stay out of this area. Every time they get involved, they just make things worse. Any leader who gets involved in this unwinnable mess of an area will get my criticism.

For a non-partisan, you do get very febrile when Bush is criticised. I thought non-partisans were able to stand outside such nonsense, particularly when they play an important 'roll' like a professional writer/journalist.

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I just don't think anything Bush says about Iraq will resonate with too many people outside of GOP supporters. Didn't he recently say that he would make the same decision his brother did? It's hard to remember which candidate said what. They have to tip toe through that minefield with vague answers.

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Bass, just because YOU do not consider AMERICAN SOLDIERS who may be CHRISTIANS, JEWS etc..killing and blowing up many INNOCENT PEOPLE in their OWN COUNTRIES (Iraq, Afghanistan) as TERRORISTS, guess what??? Most ARABS DO NOT SEE Americans, etc...as their SAVIORS! How would you like to see FOREIGN TROOPS falling out of the skies over Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, etc...??? Do you think most AMERICANS would be happy to have troops INVADING THE USA??? Now, back to this idiot fool, JEB BUSH, he has no idea of the HORROR and PAIN his older brother and FATHER made for IRAQ, that was way more STABLE and SAFE under SADDAM HUSSEIN than before these idiot BUSHes went and LIED to the AMERICAN PEOPLE and got the USA and many other countries killing off the forces loyal to Saddam Hussein. Now what do we have in IRAQ??? A huge, huge mess! Do not forget that the BUSH family and the BIN LADEN family both love OIL and $$$$!!! (Both neither care none too much for HUMAN LIVES, including that of US troops!!!)

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Bass, just because YOU do not consider AMERICAN SOLDIERS who may be CHRISTIANS, JEWS etc..killing and blowing up many INNOCENT PEOPLE in their OWN COUNTRIES (Iraq, Afghanistan) as TERRORISTS, guess what??? Most ARABS DO NOT SEE Americans, etc...as their SAVIORS! How would you like to see FOREIGN TROOPS falling out of the skies over Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, etc...??? Do you think most AMERICANS would be happy to have troops INVADING THE USA??? Now, back to this idiot fool, JEB BUSH, he has no idea of the HORROR and PAIN his older brother and FATHER made for IRAQ, that was way more STABLE and SAFE under SADDAM HUSSEIN than before these idiot BUSHes went and LIED to the AMERICAN PEOPLE and got the USA and many other countries killing off the forces loyal to Saddam Hussein. Now what do we have in IRAQ??? A huge, huge mess! Do not forget that the BUSH family and the BIN LADEN family both love OIL and $$$$!!! (Both neither care none too much for HUMAN LIVES, including that of US troops!!!)

Agree. Such a pity some Americans like Bass, think this:

Why should we (the U.S.A.) care what other people think?

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^ In Bass4funk world, every one love America, even when they killing and raping.

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Kenny IyekawaAUG. 12, 2015 - 08:39PM JST "I pity American people. The choice is between...Bush...Clinton...and Trump? Seriously? Poor American people..."

The chickens have come home to roost for USA. US politics now one big gong show, starting with rightwing dipshit reuplicans.

Looks likes the leading democrat is less than say, honest, honorable, law abiding, and lacking integrity. Keep me in the dipshit category, cause the other is on a crash and burn course. Look around the world, its inevitable.

Bass is correct. Do any of you recall the "no sexual relations" POTUS bombing bin laden failure?

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Didn't he recently say that he would make the same decision his brother did?

It's a bit convoluted, but all GOP candidates' answers boil down to this: We would not have done what was done knowing what is known now - which means that voters still remember what we did and are still kind of pissed about it - but we would do the same thing again in the future because that's where the money is.

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"Bass is correct. Do any of you recall the "no sexual relations" POTUS bombing bin laden failure?"

Do anyone remember the draft dodger, cocaibne snorting, alcoholic moron war criminal prez of USA between 2000-2008? Cuz republican party in USA trying to forget..

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It really doesn't matter if a Republican is president or a Democrat. The difference between them is negligible. It's just a matter of degrees. Both are socially conservative and economically liberal - by the rest of the world's standards.

Whoever is in charge, the United States is run in the interests of its elite. It always has been since the days of George Washington.

The War of Independence was not about the ordinary man fighting the tyranny of empire. It was a power-grab by the elite of the day. Ordinary Americans were no freer under the Founding Fathers than than they were under the British. Slaves were still slaves. And the native Americans were the victims of genocide.

The first American president was pretty much the richest man in the country. You can't lead the US unless you have an insane amount of money behind you. In a democracy, anyone can rise up. Look at the UK. Margaret Thatcher was a greengrocer's daughter. John Major left school at 16 and worked as an accountant. In the US you have to be part of a political dynasty or super rich.

A nation born in an unnecessary war - neither Canada, Australia or New Zealand fought for independence and are arguably far healthier societies with a better quality of life than the USA - just seems to go from one war to the next. It sacrifices its poor for the financial advantage of the few at the top.

Even now Americans are not free - they live in fear, a prison of fear that their own psyche has created. Like a bear in a trap they lash out. They live in fear of foreign terrorists, fear of criminals, fear of immigrants who come to pick their fruit, clean their cars, clean their toilets. They live in fear of being shot in the cinema or in high school or simply walking down the street. They live in fear of an illness that they can't afford to treat. Fear of being laid off or evicted.

Americans work long hours and have few holidays because they crave yet more material possessions - another car, a home cinema - or, more often than not, because they have to make ends meet - feed and clothe their families. They work, but they do not live. They are either slaves to their greed or work in effective servitude to survive.

I feel bad for a lot of Americans. You're lions led by donkeys. You deserve better but too many of your fellow citizens are sucked in by the media propaganda - propaganda Goebbels couldn't have bettered - and they make it easy for the system to perpetuate. They are hateful collaborators in corruption, in a defunct democracy.

So you're going to get this guy, or that guy, perhaps even a woman, but you're still not going to be free. Freer than people in North Korea or China, I'll give you that. Freer. But not free.

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I feel bad for a lot of Americans. You're lions led by donkeys. You deserve better but too many of your fellow citizens are sucked in by the media propaganda - propaganda Goebbels couldn't have bettered - and they make it easy for the system to perpetuate. They are hateful collaborators in corruption, in a defunct democracy.

So you're going to get this guy, or that guy, perhaps even a woman, but you're still not going to be free. Freer than people in North Korea or China, I'll give you that. Freer. But not free.

Brilliant.

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Kenny IyekawaAUG. 12, 2015 - 09:51PM JST "Bass is correct. Do any of you recall the "no sexual relations" POTUS bombing bin laden failure?"

Do anyone remember the draft dodger, cocaibne snorting, alcoholic moron war criminal prez of USA between 2000-2008? Cuz republican party in USA trying to forget..

Nobody wants to forget Bush. I am ashamed of the Executive Order prize though. He is shoving his agenda down the USA throat! Not very honorable. The next election will show We Built This and we don't yours!

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I don't know what Daily Kos and Think Progress are.

You should, They're the Bible for the Progressive movement.

I'm going on what Bush allegedly said to them French President Jaques Chirac who has since confirmed this in interviews and print.

Oh, so because Chirac (as if he could talk) is fact base or fact checked and because the liberal news outlets that hated Bush anyway make it true??? I doubt it, but it does make good for a great drama starring Will Ferrell.

Gog and Magog were causing all kinds of diabolical mischief in the Middle East. Chirac didn't know who these diabolical forces were. Chirac thought Bush was deranged.

Chirac was deranged himself, but again, that's for another thread.

You're back in partisan mode, Bass.

No, back to keeping you on track and reminding you to remember to hold the libs accountable as well.

Deep breaths now and try to calm down and stop using block capitals.

It's easier for you to see, since libs and progressives have a difficult time processing the facts.

My view of this is that the west has to stay out of this area. Every time they get involved, they just make things worse. Any leader who gets involved in this unwinnable mess of an area will get my criticism.

Maybe, but at the same time, you may not be looking for a fight, but someone else MIGHT be looking to fight you and in this case, the Jihadists are looking to kill us, which they will if given the chance or have you not seen some of the chaotic stunts the Jihadists have been doing over the last 13 years? The war may not be winnable, but that doesn't mean you take it up the... You go and stomp out the enemy with all your might, you may not kill his ideology, but you will give him pause and angst if he knows a Tomahawk might drop on his head.

For a non-partisan, you do get very febrile when Bush is criticised.

As you libs do when Obama is criticized and?

I thought non-partisans were able to stand outside such nonsense, particularly when they play an important 'roll' like a professional writer/journalist.

I'm not working now.

just because YOU do not consider AMERICAN SOLDIERS who may be CHRISTIANS, JEWS etc..killing and blowing up many INNOCENT PEOPLE in their OWN COUNTRIES (Iraq, Afghanistan) as TERRORISTS, guess what??? Most ARABS DO NOT SEE Americans, etc...as their SAVIORS!

Yeah, yeah, but they love the American dollar, they love it and they love our help every time the S*** hits the fan, then it's why won't you help us? I have seen and covered enough demonstrations in the mideast to know that the hate is conditional.

How would you like to see FOREIGN TROOPS falling out of the skies over Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, etc...???

That will never happen at least NOT in my lifetime, so I couldn't imagine it.

Do you think most AMERICANS would be happy to have troops INVADING THE USA???

Not good, but I don't think it would happen. But we have more guns. Two muslims tried it this year at the Muhammad cartoon drawing festival and what happened? They were filled with a bucket of lead.

Now, back to this idiot fool, JEB BUSH, he has no idea of the HORROR and PAIN his older brother and FATHER made for IRAQ, that was way more STABLE and SAFE under SADDAM HUSSEIN than before these idiot BUSHes went and LIED to the AMERICAN PEOPLE and got the USA and many other countries killing off the forces loyal to Saddam Hussein.

So what does Jeb have to do with what his brother did? Besides, NO ONE misses the butcher of Baghdad. Good riddance.

Now what do we have in IRAQ??? A huge, huge mess!

You can blame mostly the sectarian violence on that. Bush for going in and Obama for not acting against ISIS, which I heard just beheaded a Croatian man. So where is your outrage on Obama for allowing this to happen, how about anger towards Iran for causing so much terror and the instability of the entire ME.

Do not forget that the BUSH family and the BIN LADEN family both love OIL and $$$$!!!

Ok and Obama and Hillary love power, praise, notoriety and big business as well, which equates to pretty much the same thing. So are you equally outraged?

(Both neither care none too much for HUMAN LIVES, including that of US troops!!!)

Ask the military how they feel about Obama, ask the Generals at the Pentagon, ask the men and women about their moral since this guy tool over the WH, ask the veterans. I will say this for the majority of the men in women in uniform overall speaking when it comes to the military, Obama loses big time.

Agree. Such a pity some Americans like Bass, think this:

I think the same about people that would think differently. So let's agree to disagree.

Do anyone remember the draft dodger, cocaibne snorting, alcoholic moron war criminal prez of USA between 2000-2008? Cuz republican party in USA trying to forget..

I remember Clinton as well ran to Canada to avoid the draft. Why? He probably inhaled too much.

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LeTizz,

EXCELLENT post!

I wish I could have given you more than just one "good" click!

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@BertieWooster: indeed, most of her/his post is excellent, brilliant.

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@Bass I see. So now it's not just a question of liberal/progressives trying to manufacture lies, it's also the French president lying. Are they one in the same? Chirac just cooked up this Gog and Magog story? I think a bible-thumping, not too bright, insular Texan didn't realise that French leaders tend not to be like him. It's easy to imagine.

You didn't answer my question. When you were reporting from Iraq, did you interview any commanders? I'd just like to know the inside track. I'm very interested in what went on in Iraq and I'd like to hear about what you saw there. I'm sure you understand my interest. Did you interview Iraqis who were thankful for this invasion or did you meet those who despised the invading forces? All of us here only know what various media tell us and I'm sure we'd all appreciate first-hand knowledge. I'm looking forward to it.

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LeTizzAUG. 12, 2015 - 10:22PM JST It really doesn't matter if a Republican is president or a Democrat. The difference between them is negligible. It's just a matter of degrees. Both are socially conservative and economically liberal - by the rest of the world's standards. --Agreed! Groomed politicians are all the same.

Whoever is in charge, the United States is run in the interests of its elite. It always has been since the days of George Washington.

The War of Independence was not about the ordinary man fighting the tyranny of empire. It was a power-grab by the elite of the day. Ordinary Americans were no freer under the Founding Fathers than than they were under the British. Slaves were still slaves. And the native Americans were the victims of genocide.

The first American president was pretty much the richest man in the country. You can't lead the US unless you have an insane amount of money behind you. In a democracy, anyone can rise up. Look at the UK. Margaret Thatcher was a greengrocer's daughter. John Major left school at 16 and worked as an accountant. In the US you have to be part of a political dynasty or super rich. ---Look into the Republican selection today, you will find grass roots folks.

A nation born in an unnecessary war - neither Canada, Australia or New Zealand fought for independence and are arguably far healthier societies with a better quality of life than the USA - just seems to go from one war to the next. It sacrifices its poor for the financial advantage of the few at the top. --Somehow USA wants to police the world. WWI and WWII were justified and thankfully so, other than that.....

Even now Americans are not free - they live in fear, a prison of fear that their own psyche has created. Like a bear in a trap they lash out. They live in fear of foreign terrorists, fear of criminals, fear of immigrants who come to pick their fruit, clean their cars, clean their toilets. They live in fear of being shot in the cinema or in high school or simply walking down the street. They live in fear of an illness that they can't afford to treat. Fear of being laid off or evicted. ---Not all, just the ones who are fed the propaganda and believe it. I live in USA and do not fear these things. Although 'illegal' immigration must stop. Its not the American way just as in Australia and NZ.

Americans work long hours and have few holidays because they crave yet more material possessions - another car, a home cinema - or, more often than not, because they have to make ends meet - feed and clothe their families. They work, but they do not live. They are either slaves to their greed or work in effective servitude to survive.---Some, yes! We do have a lot to enjoy here in USA and I take advantage.

I feel bad for a lot of Americans. You're lions led by donkeys. You deserve better but too many of your fellow citizens are sucked in by the media propaganda - propaganda Goebbels couldn't have bettered - and they make it easy for the system to perpetuate. They are hateful collaborators in corruption, in a defunct democracy.----Yata! Bravo! Right on! You need not look far from Washington for some of the wealthiest in the nation outside of entertainment. Politically connected individuals!

So you're going to get this guy, or that guy, perhaps even a woman, but you're still not going to be free. Freer than people in North Korea or China, I'll give you that. Freer. But not free. ----Exactly why I am a Lebertarian for decades!

An excellent post with many accurate points!

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@MarkG

"WWI and WWII were justified and thankfully so"

Nice to see the true thoughts of American war monger

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@MarkG WW1 was justified? Please explain. I've read quite a few historians on this and they seem more hung up on the reasons why it happened. I've never once read a justification of it. Can you point me in the right direction?

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About WWI and WWII...despite how these topics are often oversimplified, also in this news forum, speaking about "bad countries" and "good countries" , everyone who studied seriously hystory should know that the main reason of that mess was one: imperialism. And it involved ALSO the countries considered "good".

Our modern problem? Sadly, it's still...IMPERIALISM.

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I stand corrected! Let me rephrase. American supplies and involvement were justified. Different outcomes if not.

Back to name calling Kenjisan? Shows more an antagonizing spirit leading to war mongering as most would see it.

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American supplies and involvement were justified

Hystory is always more complicated than it seems. For example, Americans say Japan started the Pacific war. But if Perry hadn't forced by violence Japan to open itself in the first place, Japan would have neve become a colonial power in the first place.

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It really doesn't matter if a Republican is president or a Democrat. The difference between them is negligible. It's just a matter of degrees. Both are socially conservative and economically liberal - by the rest of the world's standards.

Not entirely incorrect...to a point.

Whoever is in charge, the United States is run in the interests of its elite. It always has been since the days of George Washington.

All societies the few elite have the power.

The War of Independence was not about the ordinary man fighting the tyranny of empire. It was a power-grab by the elite of the day. Ordinary Americans were no freer under the Founding Fathers than than they were under the British. Slaves were still slaves. And the native Americans were the victims of genocide.

Canada, New Zealand and Australia also caused enormous harm, damage murdered thousands of its indigenous population.

The first American president was pretty much the richest man in the country. You can't lead the US unless you have an insane amount of money behind you. In a democracy, anyone can rise up. Look at the UK. Margaret Thatcher was a greengrocer's daughter. John Major left school at 16 and worked as an accountant. In the US you have to be part of a political dynasty or super rich.

But would the UK allow a Black PM to take the reigns of the country? How about Australia, Canada or New Zealand. Especially in Canada and the UK where they do have a large Black and Asian population or even Muslim. Reagan was an actor and both Clinton and Obama came from very humble, almost poor backgrounds.

A nation born in an unnecessary war - neither Canada, Australia or New Zealand fought for independence and are arguably far healthier societies with a better quality of life than the USA

That depends on what you call quality of life. also these countries don't have the out of control illegal immigration problem, the massive influx of people entering the US. 360 million people.These nations also have a much smaller population, so that is another reason they have a seemingly and supposedly better quality of life.

just seems to go from one war to the next. It sacrifices its poor for the financial advantage of the few at the top.

Every country is a culprit in this. Nothing new.

Even now Americans are not free - they live in fear, a prison of fear that their own psyche has created.

Most Americans I know don't worry about living in fear.

Like a bear in a trap they lash out. They live in fear of foreign terrorists, fear of criminals, fear of immigrants who come to pick their fruit, clean their cars, clean their toilets.

Oh, please. No American is afraid of immigrants, but illegal is an entirely different story and if the border were closed, we would have less to worry about, but we have too many illegals committing crimes and these criminals retreat to a sanctuary city. We are not talking about the law-abiding legal immigrants. Canada and Australia have the same problems, but then again, the indigenous in those countries are not the happiest or the healthiest.

They live in fear of being shot in the cinema or in high school or simply walking down the street. They live in fear of an illness that they can't afford to treat. Fear of being laid off or evicted.

I think from what you are saying is, if America would embrace more of a socialized European system it would function better and I say to that, it would not.

Americans work long hours and have few holidays because they crave yet more material possessions - another car, a home cinema - or, more often than not, because they have to make ends meet - feed and clothe their families. They work, but they do not live. They are either slaves to their greed or work in effective servitude to survive.

That's why many of us have money. For me, work is important, when I retire, I don't have to worry about social security because I invested as do many Americans, created a nest egg and yes, for all the handwork, I do value may possessions, I earned it, all of it. We can get into the semantics as to why many at the bottom are suffering, but we have had a bad economy for the last 7 years and a president that didn't care about creating higher paying jobs in the private sector and didn't consider it. You have more people on food stamps and welfare than any other time in history.

I feel bad for a lot of Americans.

As do I.

You're lions led by donkeys. You deserve better but too many of your fellow citizens are sucked in by the media propaganda - propaganda Goebbels couldn't have bettered - and they make it easy for the system to perpetuate. They are hateful collaborators in corruption, in a defunct democracy.

I don't think the problem is with the media, the problem rests with a broken Washington that is out of touch with its citizens. But that too, is a global issue.

So you're going to get this guy, or that guy, perhaps even a woman, but you're still not going to be free. Freer than people in North Korea or China, I'll give you that. Freer. But not free.

Oh, but we are free, if we weren't we would have a one party system, but I get your point, given the past 7 years it does feel like we live in a Monarchy system.

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History is facts of what has happened. Possible history is hypothetical. I don't pretent USA is perfect. No nation today or in history even comes close. We are a planet made up of humans. Perfection...never.

You do make an interesting point Alex. One fact is certain Japan dropped the bombs initiating war. Perry, may or may not have laid the foundation. That is speculation. The world was changing at an incredible pace at that time in history.

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Perry, may or may not have laid the foundation.

Perry have laid the foundation for Japan becoming an imperial power in Western style, this is a fact. That the US had also imposed over Japan economic sanctions that brought Japan to Pearl Harbour is another fact. You could find interesting this article

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

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In USA, no matter how candidates try to get attention bashing each other and Clinton Trump creates more topic. He says he is just like Reagan, explaining why but loosing popularity

@kenny also there are countries that has female Pres, too.

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A woman president in USA can happen. I don't think in 2016 we will se that. Vice president is entirely possible. Trump is a flash in the pan, he will soon fizzle away. What perplexes me is who would his VP selection be if he did make it to nomination. He seems to burn all bridges.

Hillary is much less likely to be the nominee as each day passes. That said the Democrats have a bundle of bucks in her bag to go all the way. What, when , or how that changes may be interesting to see who fills the shoes. Sanders is a bit extreme. Biden is not entered and quite controversial. And yet, the left laughs at the right.

If Hillary would be the nominee she needs some serious debate training otherwise she will be cut to pieces! They"ll be no Candy Crowley savior when the head to head gets tough this time.

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ISIS was made by US but if it was intentional process or by-product of US actions in The Middle East Jeb Bush can only speculate but it's not appropriate to directly blame Hillary Clinton for what happen as she was of limited intelligence low profile Secretary of State holding her posture likely thanks to strong dose of Oxycodone.

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If Hillary would be the nominee she needs some serious debate training otherwise she will be cut to pieces! They"ll be no Candy Crowley savior when the head to head gets tough this time.

Sadly, I have to disagree with you on that. Hillary is a VERY skilled politician and one thing she is good at is talking, like Trump, but in a political sense. Trump may know business, but Hillary knows politics, knows how to duck, evade, no matter what you throw at her, no matter how bleak things may look (at least until now) she has survived throw it all. She IS beatable, but make NO MISTAKE, she is cunning, shrewd, formidable and will be a challenge to beat, without a doubt, regardless of who the GOP nominates. Don't dismiss her yet.

I see. So now it's not just a question of liberal/progressives trying to manufacture lies, it's also the French president lying.

Yes. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, but one thing I know for a fact being in this business and as I told you before, the press and most of the mainstream media is about 98% liberal, some Extreme liberal. You can go back as far as Nixon, the liberal press was and has always been hard, critical and even hostile towards a Republican president. The press especially loves Obama in part because he acts more like a celebrity than a president, likes to hangout with the stars, go on Jimmy Fallon, Ellen, party functions, hanging out with idiots that like to eat cereal out of a tub all that is more important for him than governing. Yes, Bush was more boring, hated the media, NEVER reacted or gave a damn what they said or thought about his critics, which is what I loved about him. Obama feeds off the media. The European media from Day 1 never liked Bush or even gave him a chance, no matter what he did, he was always, always criticized. When msnbc and Keith Olbermann attacked Bush on a daily basis, he never gave him a time of day or even acknowledged him, unlike Obama that when FOX would say ANY little thing, Obama would get strung out and go on the offensive, which boosted their ratings and made Obama look like a weak whiny little.... So yes, given the history of the media both domestically and internationally and how some of these leaders have been, and my experience historically, I'll be very cautious and suspicious about those comments.

Are they one in the same? Chirac just cooked up this Gog and Magog story? I think a bible-thumping, not too bright, insular Texan didn't realise that French leaders tend not to be like him. It's easy to imagine.

Yes, I vehemently believe so. And if you want to talk about smarts. We have a president now that is supposedly smart, that has made the dumbest decisions EVER of ANY president. So much for a Harvard education.

You didn't answer my question. When you were reporting from Iraq, did you interview any commanders?

I did 2, but a lot of the information that they could divulge was limited. We had a problem with Geraldo at the time when I went there as a correspondent, he made headlines by revealing important tactical information in the sand about the movement of the troops and the commanders were beside themselves and asked that Geraldo be removed from the battlefield and the rest of us, ONLY received very limited and controlled information.

I'd just like to know the inside track. I'm very interested in what went on in Iraq and I'd like to hear about what you saw there. I'm sure you understand my interest.

That would be getting too much off topic, but I'll say this, it was very interesting and I generally like the Iraqi people and the Afghan people.

Did you interview Iraqis who were thankful for this invasion or did you meet those who despised the invading forces?

Yes, most were appreciative and some angry.

All of us here only know what various media tell us and I'm sure we'd all appreciate first-hand knowledge. I'm looking forward to it.

When a thread comes out where I can expand more on it, I will.

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Spot on Bass. Keep-em complaining and hating the truth. They need to open their eyes more to reality.

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Alex80: Perry have laid the foundation for Japan becoming an imperial power in Western style, this is a fact.

Perhaps if Perry hadn't arrived Japan could have gone in a different direction, developed nukes, used them on China, and killed 500 million people overnight. You can thank me for stopping that whenever you're ready.

Besides, didn't Pearl Harbor change America's foreign policy from mostly isolationist to overwhelming response? That day is the reason why the US now has many bases around the world. In the future I'll be sure to blame any US actions in the Middle East on Japan's actions in Hawaii.

Thanks!

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Besides, didn't Pearl Harbor change America's foreign policy from mostly isolationist to overwhelming response? That day is the reason why the US now has many bases around the world. In the future I'll be sure to blame any US actions in the Middle East on Japan's actions in Hawaii.

Thanks!

If you really dissect the rationale behind your statement, you are not wrong in that point entirely.

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@Superlib. Great post. Looks like cat got alex's tongue.

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'Did you interview Iraqis who were thankful for this invasion or did you meet those who despised the invading forces?

Yes, most were appreciative and some angry.'

I see. So, the majority of Iraqis were appreciative of the invasion. Thanks, Bass. That's not what the polls I read said. I'm so glad you are here to tell us the truth. Which part of Iraq were you in? I can imagine opinion varied from region to region. You were in Afghanistan too? What was the feeling there? Were they also generally supportive of President Bush's actions? It's just that the reports I read seemed to show violent dislike for the US. The liberal media, eh?

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I see. So, the majority of Iraqis were appreciative of the invasion. Thanks, Bass.

Don't try to be funny. In the beginning most Iraqis were very appreciative of the US forces liberating them from Saddam or more specifically the Shiite Iraqis, but also a vast number of Sunnis, but once the sectarian violence took a toll on the country, the liberal press tried to spin it as a result of the invasion, especially when in 2004 for the violence started to really get crazy. Already there was a growing division between the religious sects, one side pitted against the other, the US in the middle, both sides blaming the US for not taking specific sides, the casualties were mounting, Bush was getting hammered in the polls, Kerry lost to Bush (thank God) and everyone, even many Republicans started to bail on the president. It wasn't until surge in 2007 was implemented against everyone's expectations and surprise it worked, we won it and life started to take some form or normalcy and peace. Bush had already initiated a troop slow withdrawal with the idea of leaving a relatively sizable contingency force, which was handed over to the new president, but what did he do? He didn't follow up with signing a SOFA agreement with Iraq, pulled all our troops out, we had no eyes and ears on ground. Obama never had any desire or interest in going back to Iraq, even on the advice of his Generals that were warning him of radicals like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi stirring up the pot, furthering dividing the sects and wanting to establish a Caliphate and here we are.

That's not what the polls I read said. I'm so glad you are here to tell us the truth.

Hmmmm.....I was there and what the people in the US saw on TV and what some of the liberal journalists did by interviewing people specially against it, it's no wonder a lot of the polls came out the way they did. Look, I don't expect you to underworld believe me, that's perfectly ok, but being there and seeing up close the real Iraq. A lot of things were different from what was shown on TV. Remember: it's a ratings business industry, every network except the government and publicly funded stations where it doesn't matter.

Which part of Iraq were you in?

Most of the major cities, take your pick. I was there for a few months.

I can imagine opinion varied from region to region. You were in Afghanistan too? What was the feeling there?

Different, I was there just a few weeks. As far as how the people felt, it was a mixed bag, the Afghanis care only about who will help and be there for the people, it's that's the Taliban, fine and if it's the US, also fine.

Were they also generally supportive of President Bush's actions? It's just that the reports I read seemed to show violent dislike for the US. The liberal media, eh?

It depends, for some, they were, for others, no. Yes, the liberal media.

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@alex80

Perry have laid the foundation for Japan becoming an imperial power in Western style, this is a fact

A Russian feelt was en route to Japan at the same time; Perry narrowly beat them. Had the US not done it, Russia would have. With what results, who knows - but Japan's time as an isolated feudal shogunate would have come to an end one way or the other.

That the US had also imposed over Japan economic sanctions that brought Japan to Pearl Harbour is another fact

Another fact is that Japan's invasion of China started several years before the economic sanctions, so it's a little rich when certain people claim that Japan was forced into starting a 'defensive war'

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

Bush signed a document saying all US forces would be out of Iraq. Obama tried to leave a contingency force, but Iraq refused to sign a new SOFA, meaning US troops would have no protections.

GOP spin: Bush wanted troops in Iraq and Obama overruled his generals are pulled everyone out because of a campaign promise.

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You know, when Trump announced his candidacy, I thought it was a joke. Now he's starting to actually look like the best of the bunch. Which really is an utterly terrifying prospect...

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Another episode of the Blame Game series.

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