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“We have lost the trust and the confidence of our friends. We definitely no longer inspire fear in our enemies,” he said.

He can add Canada to that.

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Jeb Bush..... please, pretty please....make him your next president, yes? Or maybe, you can get Palin to run for the job?

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But at least Canada doesn't have to worry since the US fight for it and protect it. It's all good.

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Jeb's well qualified. His brother was the creator of the modern day hell on earth in the middle east.

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I hope he isn't the only conservative choice. He's already posted thousands of people's sensitive data accidentally.

How to take them out?

chemical castration. physical castration.

No offspring should limit the thousand years of hatred that seems to occur in Islamic parts of the world. I'd rather these crazies just die out in 1 generation. It can be a plague from god.

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"Republican Jeb Bush offered a vision"

A vision that everyone would forget the failure of the GOP-Tea; the Bush/Cheney wars of opportunity and the Five Trillion Cost of the GOP-Tea war on America.

Get serious; Jebby is a clone. A dummy punch drunk of GOP-Tea Neo-Con-dom who has his Mommy already say 'Enough of Bushs'.

Get over it. Bush is disaster with a resume of failure as long as the GOP-Tea can lie about. Even his own party want him to destroy America. Funny how a Democracy is looking for better than another dummy Bush puppet.

Not to say that dummy Jeb isn't completely stupid; that was his previous sibling's accomplishment, year after year after year. Jeb: the failure of a failure of a failure. Another GOP-Tea failure.

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Republican Jeb Bush offered a vision of a more robust U.S. foreign policy on Wednesday and said the strategy toward Islamic State should be one that “takes them out,” but he stopped short of offering specifics on how to do it.

Of course "he stopped short of offering specifics on how do to it", just like all the other Republican wind-bags and the talking heads on FOX News. They find it real easy to throw tomatoes at Obama, but don't have a better answer. And he also has to hope that voters are not smart enough to connect the dots, and remember that his brother George W. was the moron who set the dominoes in Iraq falling in the first place, based on faulty intelligence, and then proudly proclaimed "Mission Accomplished".

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'There were mistakes made in Iraq for sure'

How nostalgic. I remember that line. Roughly translated from neo-con it means "Iraq was the most criminal, ill-advised and poorly executed debacle in US foreign policy history".

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A vision that everyone would forget the failure of the GOP-Tea; the Bush/Cheney wars of opportunity and the Five Trillion Cost of the GOP-Tea war on America.

So what about the Obama failed war of Afghanistan and Obama's failure to listen to his military advisors that ISIS was a growing and imminent threat, which he still for some benign reason fails or refuses to see it as such. Not to mention alienating our allies in the process. Doesn't care about Israel, Jordan, the Kurds and others in the ME.

Get serious; Jebby is a clone. A dummy punch drunk of GOP-Tea Neo-Con-dom who has his Mommy already say 'Enough of Bushs'.

There aren't enough euphemisms in the English language to call Obama and the Dems.

Get over it. Bush is disaster with a resume of failure as long as the GOP-Tea can lie about. Even his own party want him to destroy America. Funny how a Democracy is looking for better than another dummy Bush puppet.

So when Obama is gone, who will clean up Obama's mess??? The country will be so poisoned from Democratic rule, for Hilary to get the job at the oval office will take more, far more than a miracle. Because it'll take one term alone to undo some of the disastrous policies that Obama implemented and another term for people to just get to know the new president.

Not to say that dummy Jeb isn't completely stupid; that was his previous sibling's accomplishment, year after year after year. Jeb: the failure of a failure of a failure. Another GOP-Tea failure.

When you think about the high unemployment for minorities, the constant beat and call of racism from Dems., welfare on the rise, people are unhappy with their healthcare, NO high paying jobs, unemployment benefits on the rise 99 weeks, are you serious and on and on.... compared to all of that, Bush was a gift from heaven.

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With a recovering economy, unemployment down and things looking really good for the U.S. lets do hope no pubs return anytime soon. While I dont agree with all of Obamas policy, he has done an outstanding job. I think Jeb is just appealing to the tea bags who will prop up his votes. I can see through it. I say dont break something thats working well, remember what happened right after Clintons defeat. All the surplus squandered and subsequent downturn into a mess.

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Jeb Bush is the same as his brother and father. Lets go kick some butt in the middle east because America's military-industrial complex needs to be fed and there are billions of $ to reap from it. In the future, people who study history will wonder why we prosecuted Nazi's, Fascists and Jihadists but allowed the US to wage unwarranted and illegal wars for the profit of it's military-industrial complex and corrupt politicians. If the USA had popular vote and not the electoral system, people like the Bushes would not be elected and the world would be a safer place.

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“There were mistakes made in Iraq for sure,” Bush said

Yeah, like choosing the wrong country to attack! Tell me again, where did the Taliban come from?

Suddenly the name Saddam Hussein doesn't sound too bad.

bassfunk:

So when Obama is gone, who will clean up Obama's mess???

Obama has been spending most of his two terms trying to clean up the previous president's mess. It's easy to start a war, but not so easy to finish it.

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"MadvertsFEB. 19, 2015 - 08:00AM JST Jeb's well qualified. His brother was the creator of the modern day hell on earth in the middle east."

Tell that to the families of the victims on 9/11....such a shallow view many have on many issues. Retaliation was the right response to the cowardly attack on USA.

Yemen, Syria, Libya, Bozo harum, increased chaos in Iraq, Afghanistan will follow, Arab Spring embraced.....Under Obama's watch. What will the eventual cost be for these litte hells on earth? Well, we can just blame Bush anyway, why not!

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Tell that to the families of the victims on 9/11....such a shallow view many have on many issues.

Phenomenal. There it is again, the platonic ideal of a straw man argument. Remind me, MarkG, what was Iraq's involvement with 9/11?

That was the Neo-con magic spell response to any criticism. Say "9/11" and whoever continues to dissent is on the terrorists' side.

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With a recovering economy, unemployment down and things looking really good for the U.S.

When you don't factor, high paying jobs and wage growth, the deficit, the unemployment benifits, 47 million Americans on Food stamps for 37 months, 40% corporate tax, lack of investments in the private sector, then you can truly say the economy is looking good.

lets do hope no pubs return anytime soon.

Wanna shoot for 3? You guys lost the bet twice now.

While I dont agree with all of Obamas policy, he has done an outstanding job.

Where exactly?

I think Jeb is just appealing to the tea bags who will prop up his votes. I can see through it.

Obama did the same in 2008 and 2012 so what's wrong with Bush doing the same, playing to his base, he is after all RObama has been spending most of his two terms trying to clean up the previous president's mess. It's easy to start a war, but not so easy to finish it.epublican and Obama is a Democrat.

I say dont break something thats working well, remember what happened right after Clintons defeat. All the surplus squandered and subsequent downturn into a mess.

We didn't have record unemployment, we had a surplus, we had a budget. What about now? And what is exactly working well since Obama has been in office? 57% of Americans are not happy with the current events. You call that progress????

Obama has been spending most of his two terms trying to clean up the previous president's mess. It's easy to start a war, but not so easy to finish it.

So who will clean Obama's mess when he's gone? As for war, Obama is the only leader on the entire planet that thinks ISIS needs to have a job to sort out their problems. This guy is the absolute joke of jokes and to even have the WH make such ludicrous and ridiculous comments is so off the wall nutty, not to mention comical, it doesn't even begin to register. This guy thinks, if he closes his eyes, all the killings in the ME all the beheadings will just go away. Don't talk about it, deny, ignore them, problem solved. We have less than 500 days until the madness of Obama finally comes to a joyous end.

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MarkG

Tell that to the families of the victims on 9/11

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The stated reason for the invasion in 2003 was WMDs, which turned out to be a deliberate falsehood. Cheney and friends were eager to go into Iraq even before 9/11. They were looking for any excuse. After the WMD hoax came to light, the Bush admin then stated that getting Saddam out of power was the reason. Freedom and all that. Then when the insurgency picked up (as a result of poorly planned post-invasion policy, including kicking all the Sunnis and Baathists out of power), it was supposedly Iraq's connections with Al Qaida and 9/11 that brought America to invade. What a farce.

IS is the result of a chain reaction of blunders by both the Bush and Obama presidencies, but ultimately the chain reaction was started by Bush's stupid invasion.

bass

Obama's failure to . . .

Yes, I know. He bad man. He destroy USA.

Please articulate your own solutions to these ME crises, Captain America.

for Hilary to get the job at the oval office will take more, far more than a miracle.

Just remember, our bet is still on. Hillary wins and you're off from posting for 90 days.

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Please articulate your own solutions to these ME crises

Acknowledge the radicals and call them out for what they are. Islamic terrorists.

I'd arm Jordan, Israel, the Kurds and support Saudi Arabia and Egypt and give them whatever they need and double it.

I wouldn't call for full deployment, but I would increase our ground troop presence and bring in more special forces.

Make sure any country that trades or sells to the terrorists, block and isolate them as well.

Increase sanctions on Iran?

Root out the terrorists wherever they hide and kill as many as possible, enough to the point where they would be more cautious of launching an attack against America or any of its interest.

Basically, there is NO way I'd be a p**** or a pushover when it comes to the security of the country, our national interests and our allies. I'd play just as hard as the terrorists. I'd do whatever it takes to win and not worry about how history will judge me, I'll leave that for the historians.

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It would be really pathetic if Americans voted another Bush as President, what would that make them, a monarchy or a hereditary dynasty? The aristocracy is already established..

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@bass4funk

Continue to ignore the obvious results. the higest dow jones in a very long time, unemployment at an all time low, booming domestic oil sector. what were the stats in 2009? It was very near depression, a crisis. GMC almost went bankrupt. I do remember the despair. Sorry, unless the pubs do some serious change up for their economic policy, i cant order from their menu, no matter how conservative I am. I think its now a bottom up world, not top down. You dont create deficits to get people employed then roll it over decade after decade.

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"....but he gave his brother credit for a 2007 troop surge that helped stabilize Iraq"

If Iraq was made "stable" then how come a bunch of bandits destabilized it so easily and quickly? The "stability" had no underpinnings, proven by how Iraqi army units immediately fled in the face of numerically inferior ISIS.

The surge was politically motivated window-dressing, and a tactical and strategic failure.

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So it is ONLY Iraq being discussed. Yes, a mistake on the chem weapons, Hillary was duped also all you Bush bashes. What has taken place since Obama.....ISIS!

Many of continue to bash Bush, Jeb this time. How many know what his policies are and what his stance is? Or is just the name Bush detested?

How about we just give those vile terrorists jobs, that'll solve it. They have legitimate grievances says the prez. How progressive its termed I guess.

PlasticMonkey, Salam Hussein was a brutal dictator who did use WMD's on his own people. He did invade and rape Kuwait. With his history and the rumors of severe brutality it wouldn't take much to convince most to invade. Personally I disagreed but I as all of you DO NOT have privilege to all the facts.

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Continue to ignore the obvious results.

Actually, that's what I was pointing out.

the higest dow jones in a very long time, unemployment at an all time low, booming domestic oil sector.

For people like me, Obama has been good, for the average middle class American, the story is quite different. So where are all the high paying jobs that don't require a paper hat or goverment? Why do we have 47 million Americans on food stamps for the last 37 months? As for the oil sector, I didn't hear Obama thanking most of the Republican governors creating many of these jobs and are trying to create more if the president would step out of the way.

what were the stats in 2009? It was very near depression, a crisis. GMC almost went bankrupt. I do remember the despair.

So why isn't Obama addressing the $18 Trillion debt?

Sorry, unless the pubs do some serious change up for their economic policy, i cant order from their menu, no matter how conservative I am.

If you truly are a conservative you would know you need and should wait at least 6 months before giving congress a letter grade and to see any lasting and effective results before fully judging their efforts.

I think its now a bottom up world, not top down. You dont create deficits to get people employed then roll it over decade after decade. Both side have done this, but if the economy is really that good as you proclaimed it to be, why so many are on food stamps.

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bass

call them out for what they are. Islamic terrorists.

Bad chess move. Then you're playing into the terrorists' hands. They want the West to say that. Then they can claim Islam for themselves, say that the West is against Islam, and greatly increase their recruiting power.

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Bad chess move. Then you're playing into the terrorists' hands. They want the West to say that. Then they can claim Islam for themselves, say that the West is against Islam, and greatly increase their recruiting power.

That's perfectly ok. We have more resources, planes, bombs, Intel that we could wipe them out within a few weeks militarily if their hands weren't tied and had to deal with the rules of engagement. They can increase their recruiting power and we can create more bombs. You hit the enemy as hard and with enough equal force and ferocity to match theirs. Again, you can't kill the ideology, but you can give them angst and pause when they realize that screwing with the U.S. is a very bad move, but for that to happen, we need a real leader first.

The surge was politically motivated window-dressing, and a tactical and strategic failure.

That's why Al Qaida wrote and admitted on their own website that during the surge, they were defeated and for a short time, Iraq was or it seemed to have been turning back to normal. Virtually, every military analyst and historians recognized that the Surge was indeed successful, that is, if you can put your partisan politics aside, there is NO disputing that. As to why liberals keep telling the Williams lie, they have something to gripe about.

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That's perfectly ok. We have more resources, planes, bombs

So rather than choking off their recruiting, you'd like to deliberately increase terrorist groups' allure to Muslims. And then you'd start more bombing, etc. And then I suppose all those regions that were bombed would cheer the US as liberators, all the bad guys would be gone, and everything would get back to normal.

Where did I hear that one before?

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“We have lost the trust and the confidence of our friends. We definitely no longer inspire fear in our enemies,” he said.

Trust and confidence in US foreign policy evaporated largely due to the Iraq invasion. Countries with the common sense to stay out of this utter debacle looked on with pity and bewilderment while the country disintegrated and countries like the UK saw a million-strong protest in London against its leader whose legacy was relegated to the toilet. This criminal and grossly incompetent act destroyed trust in the US and made a mockery of its competence in front of the world - with friends and enemies watching carefully. It will take a long time to rebuild this trust and image of competence.

'screwing with the U.S. is a very bad move'

Watch out, the US right are starting their patriotic/sub-Steven Segal movie rhetoric already. Anyone fancy dusting off the 'bull and horns'?

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Bass was likely one of the guys who pumped his hands in the air and said "Yes!" when the first U.S. bombs dropped in Iraq. Then when no mass-weapons were discovered, tried to justify it by saying that the people of Iraq were better off.

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So why isn't Obama addressing the $18 Trillion debt?

@ bass4funk: Why does he have to? You do understand that sovereign governments never have to pay off debts right? The US debt could be $40 trillion and there would be no change in spending or policy. Are you implying very incorrectly that governments should be aiming for 0 debt??

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On a lighter note, if this most rotund of all the Bushes does become prez, then NK may have to relinquish the celebrity sumo title.

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So rather than choking off their recruiting,

Not going to happen, EVER.

you'd like to deliberately increase terrorist groups' allure to Muslims.

Typical liberal excuse. They already want to destroy the West, in particular Israel, America and finally Europe, just as the terrorist said the other day, a message for the countries of the Cross. Europe is done the line,cthe you want to spread Sharia, hiding your head in the sand and ignoring them is not the answer. But you can start by killing as many of the terrorists as you can. So far, the sainted anointed ones idea isn't working at all and for the love of God, I'd wish Obama would stop making excuses and pretending this is just another day at the park. The man is completely delusional.

And then you'd start more bombing, etc.

Yes! I'd increase the sorties to a few hundred a day, if not a few thousand, get some serious Intel on the ground, root out every commander you can find and take them out, that means, I would send more special forces that have the capability to get something like that done.

And then I suppose all those regions that were bombed would cheer the US as liberators, all the bad guys would be gone, and everything would get back to normal.

Spare me the lib condescending jokes. No one in their right mind likes a war, in particular the soldiers on up to any president, but regardless how libs want to sugarcoat and make this look. Radical Islam is on the rise, they are going to do their best to achieve their objectives and goals and we have a White House that makes absolutely off the wall stupid comments that basically, if these guys had jobs or could provide better for their families, the killing would stop. Just when I thought this WH couldn't surprise me anymore, they for some strange reason manage to pull another rabbit from the hat.

Where did I hear that one before?

Not from Obama, the guy wouldn't know or have the guts to say anything to NOT offend the terrorists. Obama cares about only one thing: Obama himself, his legacy and the next election,everything else is of ZERO importance to that guy.

Bass was likely one of the guys who pumped his hands in the air and said "Yes!" when the first U.S. bombs dropped in Iraq.

No, but I did cheer and pumped my fist when the Iraqis removed Saddam.

Then when no mass-weapons were discovered, tried to justify it by saying that the people of Iraq were better off.

Just like Obama's infamous Red Line on Syria and Iran,chow about more people dying in Afghanistan under Obama, the first few years. And what do you think is going to happen when we pull out of That country? Oh, I forget, it's their problem, Obama has to look good so if he leaves the country to fall back into TALIBAN hands, what concern is that for his majesty?so how will these people be better off?

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"what concern is that for his majesty?"

Queen Elizabeth? King Abdullah? King Tut? Is this a Monty Python skit with grown men prancing in tights?

Now back to what you saying earlier about Bush being a gift from heaven. That was the best line on this whole thread.

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I don't think the country is really ready for another Clinton let alone another Bush.

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'His majesty'

I think Jeb is a better example of the hereditary principle. Anyway, I thought you rightists beleive Obama is a Communist - they don't tend to view monarchies very favourably.

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Queen Elizabeth? King Abdullah? King Tut? Is this a Monty Python skit with grown men prancing in tights?

King Obama

Now back to what you saying earlier about Bush being a gift from heaven. That was the best line on this whole thread.

I keep forgetting the mere mention of God gives libs a migraine of a problem, funny and yet, when Muslims mention anything about Allah, either they have NO comment, won't say anything, let alone joke about it. But of course, libs are completely free of double standards.

I think Jeb is a better example of the hereditary principle.

Give it time, there is Chelsea and her new child, it's coming....

Anyway, I thought you rightists beleive Obama is a Communist

I believe he's a lot of things too many to say without getting my post zapped by the Mods, but I think he's more of a Socialist for sure.

they don't tend to view monarchies very favourably.

Of course NOT!

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It will seem like America like to go "around the Bushes" a lot

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I saw a report on the BBC the other day by the respected journalist John Simpson that basically said despite the threat of so-called I.S, Iraq and Baghdad in particular, is as safe as it's been for years. People are back on the streets enjoying everyday things such as eating out with their families and so on. My point is, this is without direct American intervention/ help, rather the Iraqi security forces, police etc improving things by themselves. So, Obama's foreign policy on Iraq i.e. help them to help themselves, seems to be working.

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@Bass You said: 'I believe he's a lot of things too many to say without getting my post zapped by the Mods, but I think he's more of a Socialist for sure.'

While saying before: 'For people like me, Obama has been good, for the average middle class American, the story is quite different.'

So, from your perspective, Obama has been good at making the rich richer while neglecting the rest. This doesn't sound like socialism to me. For me, he seems to do little about the trend which is still gathering momentum - wealth being redistributed upwards. This is the complaint of many Americans disappointed by his lack of action on this. The idea that Obama is a socialist on the basis of his time in office ( you claim to have a portfolio humming along nicely along with a hardly crippling tax rate ) is as cracked as any swivel-eyed teabagger idea of him being a Muslim with Kenyan citizenship.

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said the strategy toward Islamic State should be one that “takes them out”

But there are so many of them, the restaurant bill would be prohibitive...

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I saw a report on the BBC the other day by the respected journalist John Simpson that basically said despite the threat of so-called I.S, Iraq and Baghdad in particular, is as safe as it's been for years.

How about taking a trip then? I don't see people flocking in a line for a mad dash to take in the wonderful scenic and historic cultural sites of Iraq. What a load of garbage! Show me anywhere in that country that is safe for people to go. Would you honestly go? If so, I wish you all the luck.

People are back on the streets enjoying everyday things such as eating out with their families and so on.

You mean under Sharia, that's correct (if you want to call it living) but we know all too well what happens to people that do not fit in the Islamists narrow POV of how you should live under Sharia.

My point is, this is without direct American intervention/ help, rather the Iraqi security forces, police etc improving things by themselves.

What police???!! Either most of them were beheaded or some joined ISIS.

So, Obama's foreign policy on Iraq i.e. help them to help themselves, seems to be working.

How many people were beheaded and burned this week again? I swear, libs scare me to death! This is exactly what happens when people smoke the blunt a bit too much.

Well, from your perspective, Obama has been good at making the rich richer while neglecting the rest.

We've been through this before, for me personally, Obama has been good for my portfolio. I am talking about for the rest of the Americans where things are very different.

This doesn't sound like socialism to me. For me, he seems to do little about the trend which is still gathering momentum - wealth being redistributed upwards. This is the complaint of many Americans disappointed by his lack of action on this. The idea that Obama is a socialist on the basis of his time in office ( you claim to have a portfolio humming along nicely along with a hardly crippling tax rate ) is as cracked as any swivel-eyed teabagger idea of him being a Muslim with Kenyan citizenship.

Like I said, for most Americans, they aren't feeling the love of his majesty. I pay my share, but I'll be damned if I let this guy take all of it.

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Unfortunately this is almost undoubtedly going to be the policy of Hillary as well, she's a major neo-con

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Asakura,

My point is, this is without direct American intervention/ help, rather the Iraqi security forces, police etc improving things by themselves. So, Obama's foreign policy on Iraq i.e. help them to help themselves, seems to be working.

And a fine point you make. It's like socialsim, give people handouts and they'll sit comfortably on their backsides - make them uncomfortable and they will become proactive.

Perhaps being overrun by the maniacs in ISIL will be the historic tipping point for Iraqi's to finally get their sh!t together and shake of the insane sectarian violence - carnage caused, as stupefying as it may seem to most of us, by differing editions of a 1600 year old story book.

In a sane world, after screaming over the top and questioning the patriotism of all dissenters to their madness, the only thing any Republican should bring to this particular debate is silence.

The sticking point, as some of the posts here indicate, is that they are actually insane.

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Jeb Bush says Islamic State strategy should be to 'take them out'

Well duh...

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'This doesn't sound like socialism to me. For me, he seems to do little about the trend which is still gathering momentum - wealth being redistributed upwards. This is the complaint of many Americans disappointed by his lack of action on this. The idea that Obama is a socialist on the basis of his time in office ( you claim to have a portfolio humming along nicely along with a hardly crippling tax rate ) is as cracked as any swivel-eyed teabagger idea of him being a Muslim with Kenyan citizenship.

Like I said, for most Americans, they aren't feeling the love of his majesty. I pay my share, but I'll be damned if I let this guy take all of it.'

Evasive as ever. I still don't see how this makes Obama a socialist. By the way, what would you do if Obama raised taxes on the rich to the kind of levels under those well known socialists and redistributers Nixon and Ford?

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In the Bush family they follow the saying if you break it you own it. So which little Bush will own the further mess Jeb-boy will create if he take the highest post in that would-be democracy?

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Evasive as ever. I still don't see how this makes Obama a socialist.

He's not cutting the corporate tax rate, he's not cutting the capital gains tax. He's taking a lot more of the affluent, a lot more. He's allocating more money from the middleclass to pay for his Obamacare.

By the way, what would you do if Obama raised taxes on the rich to the kind of levels under those well known socialists and redistributers Nixon and Ford?

Dunno, it's irrelevant. I was a mere lad at the time. Also, I never thought Nixon or Ford were fiscally conservative anyway. But in this day and age, I doubt any future Republican president would do that. If it were to happen, there's always the Islands....

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It's like socialsim, give people handouts and they'll sit comfortably on their backsides

Socialists are out running the combines through the fields, supposedly for the common good, but often because they have no choice. Look at the list of socialist countries, past and present, and tell me which ones let you sit around comfortably on your backsides. If you find one, comrade, buy a plane ticket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

And then,

Bush demonstrated a fluency in international issues that none of his potential rivals for the Republican nomination has matched to date.

He's the brightest of the current bunch, unfortunately, and I hear he can read and write and stuff.

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'He's not cutting the corporate tax rate, he's not cutting the capital gains tax.

Surely the most socialistic president in US history would be raising these taxes. How is he taking more off the affluent? Compared to when?

'If it were to happen, there's always the Islands....'

Oh, no! Not another wealth creator flying off!

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I don't think the country is really ready for another Clinton let alone another Bush.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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“We definitely no longer inspire fear in our enemies,” he said"

I dunno, Jeb, all those IS militants blown apart/burned by U.S. bombs during just the past month should have instilled some fear in at least some of them, no?

"I don't think the country is really ready for another Clinton let alone another Bush"

Really? And for how long won't the country be ready for another Clinton or a Bush? Would 200 years do it? Names are more important than character now?

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I wish my brother George was here

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But at least Canada doesn't have to worry since the US fight for it and protect it. It's all good.

Have to disagree with you on this one Bass. I don't think Obama could be stirred to help defend any of America's "allies" at this point. Obama thinks that war is bad no matter what and that peace is good. So he is going to wage peace until all of America's enemies are defeated. Make sense to you? Not me either but that's Obama for you.

Jeb's well qualified. His brother was the creator of the modern day hell on earth in the middle east.

Wait a minute - just two years ago Obama was telling the world that Al Qaeda was on the run and that his policies in the Middle East were a success. Did Bush somehow get control of the White House after Obama's re-election?

Get serious; Jebby is a clone. A dummy punch drunk of GOP-Tea Neo-Con-dom who has his Mommy already say 'Enough of Bushs'.

Seriously? Conservatives do not want Bush anymore than Liberal/Progressives want Clinton. Small government folks (ie. Tea Party) do not want Bush. I agree with what the former First Lady said before, "No more Bushes" (or Clintons). I do not think America can stand much more 'unpatriotic' debt at this point.

Hillary was duped also all you Bush bashes. What has taken place since Obama.....ISIS!

Stop reminding the Left that Hillary supported the war (before she was against it). It makes their heads hurt and compels them to write "Draft Warren" letters to their local newspapers.

The sticking point, as some of the posts here indicate, is that they are actually insane.

Hey, that's crazy talk.

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'Obama thinks that war is bad no matter what and that peace is good.'

Yeah, what a big girl's blouse. It looks like the rightists are getting a bit frustrated at the lack of shock and awe on Fox and want to see how cool it is to see guided missiles flying through someone's front door.

'Stop reminding the Left that Hillary supported the war (before she was against it).'

Well, the WMD pack of lies was sold with conviction in the manner of dodgy used car dealers. The fact that Hilary was stupid enough to be drawn in should disqualify her as a presidential candidate. No Clinton. No Bush.

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most of those islamic constitution was written ( in case of their holy book in otoman rashidun caliphate era so basically after 30 years at least it was gathered they added some phrases and versus ) the original copy they hide it

hadieth ( after at least 60 years some of it was after 100 or more ) so basically they use the war as a fuel to avoid looking into something else and mind their own business

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Take them out? Like, to dinner? Drinks? (Best Seth Rogan impersonation)

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Farmboy,

If you find one, comrade, buy a plane ticket.

Whatever for, I live in France. Yes, people here get generous handouts for doing nothing and breeding irresponsibly. And yes, that is a similar attitude to the Iraqi's expecting somebody else to fight for them.

Obama's stance on making the Iraqi's nor rely on the US to defend their country has been the right one. Pretty lucky too, since no American bar chicken hawk Republican fundies support sending the ground troops back anyway...

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Tell that to the families of the victims on 9/11....such a shallow view many have on many issues. Retaliation was the right response to the cowardly attack on USA.

Ehh... the "retaliation" for the almost 3,000 victims of 9/11 included invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 - and the justification for said invasion miraculously "appeared" just when it was becoming obvious that the U.S. troops who supposedly had ensnared Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan had never actually contained him. Coincidence? I never believe in coincidences when it comes to the government. The Republicans were all over Clinton for the Bosnia action - calling an example of "the tail wagging the dog". I guess the Republicans felt they could get away with a little misdirection of their own.

2,977 victims on 9/11 plus the 4,491 troops killed between 2003 (the start of the Iraqi invasion) and 2014 (the end).

7,468 Americans or people on American soil killed, yet the most CONSERVATIVE estimate of the number of Iraqis killed during that same period is 151,000. (The upper end is over 1,000,000) And they didn't have a single thing to do with 9/11 so "retaliation" doesn't apply. Now WHO has the shallow view??

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Take them out? Like, to dinner? Drinks? (Best Seth Rogan impersonation)

Obama wants to take them out to a job fair as if the lack of a job explains why 'violent extremists' are willing to cut the heads off of people or burn them alive.

It looks like the rightists are getting a bit frustrated at the lack of shock and awe on Fox and want to see how cool it is to see guided missiles flying through someone's front door.

Looks like the Leftist MSNBC watchers are frustrated that singing Kumbaya after every Christian's head is cut off doesn't bring an end to 'violent extremism' by these deranged people who are not Muslim (because only they can identify a real Muslim and a fake one).

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His brother George Bush (mainly "inspired" by Cheney and Rumsfeld) set the stage by which IS has been able to fill in a power vacuum (not to mention a $1,000,000,000,000 plus addition to the US debt)--thanks to intervening in Iraq. I would give some military aid to the Kurds and to the Turkey on the periphery to help prevent the spread of this evil, but I would not get involved too much more. Certainly, I wouldn't send in more troops.

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'Stop reminding the Left that Hillary supported the war (before she was against it).'

Well, the WMD pack of lies was sold with conviction in the manner of dodgy used car dealers. The fact that Hilary was stupid enough to be drawn in should disqualify her as a presidential candidate. No Clinton. No Bush.

Doesn't excuse the fact. She voted for it, she's got cake on her face as well, now I would appreciate it if you pound on her as well or does she get a pass because she's a Dem?

@fadamor

Give it a rest. Islam has been at war with us since 1979. Over running our embassy, taking hostages, bombing the Kenyan embassy, bombing the USS Cole, the Twin towers or the first bombing. So to make the stupid insidious argument that we were the ones that started it is a farce! Before and after that, we should retaliate.

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Islam has been at war with us since 1979.

As a journalist, you do understand that revolutionary Shiite Iranians and Sunni IS hate each other more than they do the West? And that Muslim Kurds are fighting IS? And that Shiite Hezbollah is now going after IS? And that Fox News' newest hero the King of Jordan is a Muslim? Islam is not a monolithic entity. And the vast majority of Muslims are not 'at war' with the United States.

When you say so, you're strengthening the real enemy's claims to legitimacy and inviting more terrorist attacks. What the rabid anti-Obama crowd is proposing is just bad policy. (And I suspect they don't really mean it. They just want to bark some more.)

Remember, the world is a complex place. This is not Super Friends.

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@Bass What do you think 'The fact that Hilary was stupid enough to be drawn in should disqualify her as a presidential candidate' means? Does it sound like I'm praising Hilary? I want to see a leader with sound judgement. This is clearly not her.

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Islam has been at war with us since 1979.

As a journalist, you do understand that revolutionary Shiite Iranians and Sunni IS hate each other more than they do the West? And that Muslim Kurds are fighting IS? And that Shiite Hezbollah is now going after IS?

Of course.

And that Fox News' newest hero the King of Jordan is a Muslim?

As he should be.

Islam is not a monolithic entity. And the vast majority of Muslims are not 'at war' with the United States.

NO ONE has ever said it or believed it, the anger and vitriol is directed towards the Radical Islamists despised the efforts for some bizarre reason to paint a comical picture that conservatives hate Muslims and lump them all together. The big difference is, the right the radicals for what they are and the left want to use every different euphanism in the lexicon to describe them other than what they are. They Islamists themselves refer to themselves as such. They aren't Christian and they aren't Jewish, so I guess that just narrows them down to one other religion....

When you say so, you're strengthening the real enemy's claims to legitimacy and inviting more terrorist attacks. What the rabid anti-Obama crowd is proposing is just bad policy. (And I suspect they don't really mean it. They just want to bark some more.)

Quite the contrary. As with what Harf said last night that the terrorist need jobs made me keel over with disbelief. That was the absolute dumbest thing anyone could have said. But I know, she's the mouth piece for this disastrous guy. So I'm not holding it against her, but good lord....

Remember, the world is a complex place. This is not Super Friends.

Now if Obama would actually realize that, we would all be better off!

What do you think 'The fact that Hilary was stupid enough to be drawn in should disqualify her as a presidential candidate' means? Does it sound like I'm praising Hilary? I want to see a leader with sound judgement. This is clearly not her.

Fair enough.

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Doesn't excuse the fact. She voted for it, she's got cake on her face as well, now I would appreciate it if you pound on her as well or does she get a pass because she's a Dem?

Not only did Hillary (and a bunch of other Progressives) vote for the war, she made a point of getting advice from her husbands old national security team because she did not want to take Bush's word. Her husband made it US policy for regime change in Iraq. It's only when things got rough that she changed her tune and opposed the war. She is an opportunist and not very likeable. Even Jeb Bush would probably beat her. That said, please no more Bush's or Clinton's.

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I think most people realize that US invading Iraq and taking out Saddam Hussein (as bad as he was),set the stage for IS to gain power....not everyone, but most people.

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