Jindal defends message of his GOP speech

I’ve always been a policy guy, always will be a policy guy.

The same old stale policy that the republicans have been pandering for years. No change, no thought.

That's why the republicans have been losing seats in the congress and possibly the presidency.

But I think you should never change your story. < :-)

The substance is important

Like turning down 3.8 billion in stimulus money and accepting only 3.7 billion. That's substance you can believe in.

Hahaha.... so now he has to 'defend' a speech that some said was genius, eh? This guy actually has some smarts to him, but it's clear that whenever a person like him gets into power on the Republican side they start trying to use the smarts (or have someone else do it) to come out with speeches that lie, scare, and try to corrupt things in order to clear a path for them to get a bit more power. The last election proved that won't work, so I suggest Jindal go back to being regular old Jindal instead of trying (and failing) to paint Obama in a bad light with the same old Republican stick.

He's obviously a smart guy, but that speech was painful to watch.

I'll give it to the guy if he's writing his own speeches. People just can't deal with his honesty and would rather hear empty promises filled with chocolate skies and rivers of milk and honey.

bushlover - "People just can't deal with his honesty and would rather hear empty promises filled with chocolate skies and rivers of milk and honey."

That's why people go to GOP events. :-)

By the way - "cut taxes!" :-)

Jindais speech had content, but no form. But in today´s media world, form trounces content, so of course he gets ridiculed.

The Obamessiah, of course, is a brilliant orator, who delivers his sloganeering in perfect form.

Moderator: We do not permit meaningless expressions like "Obamessiah."

"like turning down 3.8 billion in stimulus money and accepting only 3.7 billion. That's substance you can believe in."

Lessee... 3.8 billion minus 3.7 billion... saving the taxpayers $100 million... yeah, I can live with that.

Sarge, Jindal needs a speechwriter.

Are you up to it? :-)

Sarge got his education at George Bush High School where they teach Fuzzy Math.

No Republican/conservative is going to accept that Jinal is a hypocrite because he continues to push for hurricane recovery spending. The Republican mantel is to say one thing and do another. They are a bunch of scoundrels.

"The governor said it was difficult to follow Obama, known for his impressive oratory, and said he" tried to make up a story and touch Americans hearts but he got caught lying." Jindal said next time he lies he will try harder not to get caught. Jindal is quoted as saying, "As a Republican I come from a long line of liars; I should be able to learn from the great, historic, notorious liars in our party not to get caught." He went on to say, "I also forgot to throw in enough lines about patriotism and also I didn't not try to scare the public enough with talk of National Security."

Obama needs to hide his message behind a flowery delivery. Jindal can sacrifice style because the message has substance that isn't an anathema to the American people.

The J&M media knows it has to cut down all possible populist threats down at the knees as soon as it appears, so Jindal gets the Sarah Palin treatment. Well, good for you, media. You'll one day get the Walter Benjamin treatment.

Jindais speech had content, but no form. But in today´s media world, form trounces content, so of course he gets ridiculed.

The most wonderful new President of the United States, of course, is a brilliant orator, who delivers his sloganeering in perfect form. So he deserves all the swooning he gets.

But in today´s media world, form trounces content, so of course he gets ridiculed.

I didn't need the media world to ridicule the speech for me. Had the TV on, CNN guy said "here is Jindal's speech", and I said "idiot". Actually, to give him a break, I think he was just pretending to be an idiot. But no media filter for me, you dittoheads should try it sometime.

GJDailleult:

" you dittoheads should try it sometime. "

What is a "dittohead"? I don´t think name-calling is a substitute for argument. Oops, I forgot... form trounces content.

What worries Democrats more - Jindal turning down the b.s. "stimulus" handout,with all its hidden hooks, or the fact that unlike Obama he can address the nation and the world without a teleprompter?

rollonarte:

" Jindal turning down the b.s. "stimulus" handout , or the fact that unlike Obama he can address the nation and the world without a teleprompter "

Although, in all fairness, he should follow the masters and use a teleprompter until he is confident enough to deliver good form.

Also, he should have cut out all the politically correct touch-feely BS and simply called out the "stimulus" scam what it is: All Democrat pork and entitlement spending they could dream up plus the kitchen sink... and and all relabelled as "stimulus".

He's obviously a smart guy, but that speech was painful to watch.

The smarter a Creationist is, the more self-deluded he must be.

The smarter a Creationist is, the more self-deluded he must be.

The guy's got a degree in biology, there's no way he actually believes that crap. But it seems the creationist/evangelist folk are a pretty important Republican demographic - even ol' man McCain had to sell himself out in the last election, though you could tell he hated having to pander to the far right.

Altria,

Governor Jindal signed a bill that would allow an individual school district to ask the state for permission to add Creationist or Intelligent Design into the curiculum. It was a tiny part of the bill. The bill was overall a handing over of more authority to local school districts in decision making then a centralized one with the state.

The Bill passed the state senate 36-0 and the house 94-3 and landed on Governor Jindal's desk.

Govenor Jindal, had a choice veto a bill that damn near had a 100 percent support from all his constituents in the state and watch it pass anyway over his veto, or sign it as that was pretty much what the people said they wanted from both parties.

He signed it, who wouldn't with that kind of support from the people of his state?

Doesn't make a compelling another 'Republican bumpkin' story though I have to admit.

Republicans are doing nothing but window dressing. Let's see, Steele the minority head of the GOP...Check....Jindal minority Govenor to speak on behalf of the Republicans....Check....This is rediculous. The sad thing is the GOP honestly believes that the american public doesnt see through their big minority lie. This is a party that has for all the people in the world Rush Limbaugh as their #1 spokesperson that made derrogative comments about a Black QuarterBack on National television. It's a joke. You had your say for 8 years now shut up and let the other team have a chance to unscrew what you have screwed up for the past 8 years.

Seriously, 24 hours is a long time in politics. I had a look at what this chap had to say, and I was somewhat under impressed. Then again, I have always thought that Rush "Jabba the Hutt" Limbaugh speaks rather well. Don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he does have the gift of the gab. Perhaps Rush should organize his "Ditto Heads" and consider a future in politics?

bebert

How could you compare Jinal to Sarah Palin? He has a good education; he has an IQ in the triple digits. Just because he makes up stories to dupe America does not mean you should compare him to the likes of an idiot.

The J[and]M media knows it has to cut down all possible populist threats down at the knees as soon as it appears,

If that is true then due to the fiery way McCain dissed the recent bill Obama said we would sign then I would expect the same treatment of McCain. It isn't going to happen. Your loser media conspiracy theories may soothe your wounded feelings but they diminish any possibility for credibility. The list could go on and on of "possible populist threats" that were never "cut down at the knees[.]"

I have to disagree with timoborder that Rush "Jabba the Hutt" Limbaugh speaks rather well. He rants. He sounds like a snake oil salesman. Of course he sells a lot of snake oil but that is because of the ignorance of the buyer and not the great orator.

I think you are all being waaay too hard on Bobby.

We all heard Obama, who is said to be a great orator yet one two occasions, he couldn't state the correct amount of states.

Rush? I finally seen a picture, and GD is correct, he looks like Jabba the Hut and never hearing him, I finally read a transcript, yeah, he talks like Jabba too.

"In the speech Tuesday, Jindal criticized Obama’s $787 billion economic stimulus package as laden with unnecessary spending added by a Democratic Congress. He talked of the need to cut taxes and limit government spending at a time when polls show a majority of Americans are looking to the federal government to reverse the economic downturn."

Someone tell me where he is sooo wrong that he deserves such a slap... Oh, the repubs called him out on it too? Well, I have always that most of them were whores anyway. Bobby is cool and had he been black or white and said the same thing, he wouldn't have gotten such flak.

Can anyone explain what is meant by the "J&M media" please?

goodDonkey: "Jindal said next time he lies he will try harder not to get caught"

Sure, goodDonkey, just make up stuff and post it. Sheesh.

Sarge, Great post , made me giggle Hee Hee!

Sailwind wrote -- "Jindal signed a bill that would allow an individual school district to ask the state for permission to add Creationist or Intelligent Design into the curiculum. It was a tiny part of the bill. The bill was overall a handing over of more authority to local school districts in decision making then a centralized one with the state. The Bill passed the state senate 36-0 and the house 94-3 and landed on Governor Jindal's desk. Govenor Jindal, had a choice veto a bill that damn near had a 100 percent support from all his constituents in the state and watch it pass anyway over his veto, or sign it as that was pretty much what the people said they wanted from both parties."

All that may be true, Sailwind, but it's a red herring. Whathever the facts of the bill, Jindal is clear on his on record of supporting creationism as "teaching the best science."

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/16/jindal-creationism/

Jindal - "I don’t think students learn by us withholding information from them. … I want them to see the best data. I personally think human life and the world we live in wasn’t created accidentally. I do think that there’s a creator. … Now the way that he did it, I’d certainly want my kids to be exposed to the very best science. I don’t want any facts or theories or explanations to be withheld from them because of political correctness."

Dump bumpkin or cynical opportunist -- take your pick. I lean toward the latter.

Can this get any better......Just when he should stay quiet and hope this goes away, he opens his mouth. Jindal lied and now he wants to explain why he lied.

The governor said it was difficult to follow Obama, known for his impressive oratory, and said he tried to slow his pace because of past complaints that Jindal’s rapid-fire speaking style is tough to follow. But he insisted his message was important.

Translation, "I had to say something to get your attention away from President Obama, so I lied!"

Like I said, can this get any better.....Hey maybe next time he could have Chuck Norris and Bocephus doing a jig in the background. Or better yet maybe ask the New Orleans Saints Cheerleaders to pose with him at his next speech. Then he could lie all he wants and no one would notice. Hey maybe he could tell a Hilary lie and say he flew combat missions in Iraq..Wow now that would help him....LOL

Like I said can this get any better?LOL

Nessie

Sheesh,

Your link

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/16/jindal-creationism/

What PRAVDA is out of business?

Joe

Palin, Jindal, Republicans......Snort, giggle, Ha, Ha.......Blah, Blah, Blah

Your link http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/16/jindal-creationism/ What PRAVDA is out of business?

Sail, I notice you didn't address the substance of the quote. Your objection to the source is irrelevant, since the source is straight from the lips of Jindal, with an embedded video for proof. Or are you disputing that he said the following, despite the video?

Jindal - "I don’t think students learn by us withholding information from them. … I want them to see the best data. I personally think human life and the world we live in wasn’t created accidentally. I do think that there’s a creator. … Now the way that he did it, I’d certainly want my kids to be exposed to the very best science. I don’t want any facts or theories or explanations to be withheld from them because of political correctness."

Do you agree with Jindal that Creationism is the very best science?

The smarter a Creationist is, the more self-deluded he must be.

I heard something similar to this from some Christians commenting on Darwinist/Atheist, elitism is so unbecoming. Whether or not he believes in Creationism has little to do with the his GOP speech.

Do you agree with Jindal that Creationism is the very best science?

The very best science would be the examination and elimination of all possible theories, until a correct theory is found. Which is what I think was saying when he said "I don’t want any facts or theories or explanations to be withheld from them because of political correctness."

When "out of step with the American public" means jumping for public dollars we are all in trouble.

=They should be using the money to fix the levees first, in fact they should have been fixed 10-20yrs ago.

Jump for that inflated dollar! Jump! Jump! Now jump higher! Good boy! You're sooo good. =Socialism can be fun.

Badsey said:

Jump for that inflated dollar! Jump! Jump! Now jump higher! Good boy! You're sooo good. =Socialism can be fun.

If the dollar is inflated how come it is up across the board on foreign currencies from a year ago?

Just take out the "[and sign]" and type an "and sign" in there, uppercase "4" because JT will not allow an "and sign" in a post.

Euro

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EURUSD=X[and sign]t=1y

GPP http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GBPUSD=X[and sign]t=1y

except for the yen where there is not even a quarter of a yen difference from a year ago

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDJPY=X[and sign]t=1y

Australia http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AUDUSD=X[and sign]t=1y

Canada http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDCAD=X[and sign]t=1y

But hey don't let the facts get in the way of your argument.

The very best science would be the examination and elimination of all possible theories, until a correct theory is found. Which is what I think was saying when he said "I don’t want any facts or theories or explanations to be withheld from them because of political correctness."

Jorb, Creationism isn't a scientific theory. That's your first mistake. It is untestable and unsupported by any evidence.

Still waiting to hear back from Sailwind.

Ness,

I think I'm reading and hearing what he say's and taking it in a totally different way then you are.

I hear....

I don’t think students learn by us withholding information from them.

I agree

I want them to see the best data.

I do also, I don't see anywhere where is agaisn't Evolution being taught in schools what so ever.

I personally think human life and the world we live in wasn’t created accidentally. I do think that there’s a creator. …

So do I and even almost all of my friends even though whose political views are a total 180 out of mine. I found that to be a pretty mainstream view through-out my entire life, I'm sure you have also in this regard.

Now the way that he did it, I’d certainly want my kids to be exposed to the very best science.

I take that as being taught Evolution as the way he did it myself. I believe this is were we are parting on what I'm hearing and your hearing on this one.

That's my take on it for what it's worth, Ness. Hope it isn't to cold up there in Hokkaido right now! Kanto plain is pretty chilly today.

Thanks for the clarification, Sail.

About the "all the evidence" argument and the "teach the controversy" argument. The problem is that there is no evidence for Creationism and there is no scientific controversy. Creationism is not a scientific theory. It makes not predictions and it can't be tested. It should not be taught for the same reason that we should not teach the controversy in science class about how it might be a good idea to burn witches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_the_Controversy

"The campaign was devised by Stephen C. Meyer and Discovery Institute founder and President Bruce Chapman as a compromise strategy in March 2002. They had come to the realisation that the dispute over intelligent design's (lack of) scientific standing was complicating their efforts to have evolution challenged in the science classroom. This strategy was designed to move the focus onto an approach that stresses open debate and evolution's purported weakness, but does not require students to study intelligent design. The intention was to create doubt over evolution and avoid the question of whether the intelligent designer was God, while giving the institute time to strengthen their purported theory of intelligent design.[28] Another advantage of this strategy was to allay teacher fears of legal action.[29]"

It is possible for an intelligent person to believe in Creationism, because people are irrational and they don't always reconcile their beliefs with the real world. But most intelligent people who know anything about science realize that Creationism is religion, not science. Calling to "teach the controversy" is a smart politician's way of oandering to the ignorant.