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Johnson's win may deliver Brexit but could risk UK's breakup

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In a true and functioning democracy, it's the voice of voters that matter, not those of special interest protestors, internet posters or the media.

Well done UK voters.

Well done.

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In a true and functioning democracy, it's the voice of voters that matter, not those of special interest protestors, internet posters or the media.

Ironic coming from you

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Ironic coming from you

Nice one.

I remember BBC’s Question Time being held in my home town of Liverpool and an audience member asked the then SNP leader if Liverpool could join Scotland if it were to gain independence. It got more of a round of applause than a round of laughs.

Imagine never having to wake up to a Tory government. Lovely.

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The voice of all citizens matter.

The People's Republic of Liverpool declares independence.

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The SNP only have a short window of opportunity for three reasons:

First, Alex Salmond's (the previous leader of the SNP) court case in the new year will reveal how much the party covered up the accusations from his sexual assualt victims. It will soon be known who in the party knew and tried to make the issue go away.

Secondly, in 2021, the Scottish Parliament Election will take place. For the SNP, they'll have the challenge of retaining all of the seats they have, as they are by far the largest party. Any loss at all (which is likely) will be seen as a drop in support for independence.

Thirdly, the polls always show a majority for independence for about a month after an election. This was true for the INDY Ref in 2014, EU ref and the 2017 General Election. However, it will soon revert back to normal, and the trend over the last three years has shown that support for independence is slowly decreasing.

Personally, I think that if polls show that Scots want another referendum for more than six months, they should be given one. However, I think the result would be the same, if not lower for independence.

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The People's Republic of Liverpool declares independence.

I imagine Johnson would be in favour of that. Liverpool never votes Tory anyway and he wrote trash about the city and was forced to apologise for it by Michael Howard.

Make him guest of honour at the next Derby and we can egg him at half time.

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The SNP has campaigned for decades to make Scotland independent and almost succeeded in 2014, when Scotland held a referendum on seceding from the UK. The “remain" side won 55% to 45%.

At the time, the referendum was billed as a once-in-a-generation decision. But the SNP argues that Brexit has changed everything because Scotland now faces being dragged out of the EU against its will.

Sturgeon said Friday that Johnson “has no mandate whatsoever to take Scotland out of the EU” and Scotland must be able to decide its future in a new independence referendum.

Well, if YouGov is accurate, here's a good indication of how a new referendum would turn out - from the Sunday Times:

Support for independence is waning in Scotland and swinging behind the Union despite the SNP’s election push, an exclusive poll for The Times has revealed.

Fifty-six per cent of voters say they want to stay in the UK versus 44 per cent in favour of separation, according to YouGov. ( Dec. 7, 2019 )

Not looking good for Scottish leavers.

Johnson insists he will not approve a referendum during the current term of Parliament, which is due to last until 2024. Johnson's office said the prime minister told the Scottish leader on Friday that “the result of the 2014 referendum was decisive and should be respected.”

Johnson has a point. No?

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Gosh the remoaners just can't concede defeat can they. The people have overwhelmingly back a strong independent UK, not broken up version that Corbyn painted. Let it go remoaners, you lost.

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Boris is going to go down in history as the British PM who reunited Ireland. Scotlland will be independent before his term is up.

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Having a government with such a large majority and a weak and badly defeated opposition isn't good for democracy. The government needs to be challenged on all its policies and actions.

YouGov is founded and owned by a conservative.

Gosh the remoaners just can't concede defeat can they. The people have overwhelmingly back a strong independent UK, not broken up version that Corbyn painted. Let it go remoaners, you lost.

Not quite. 43.6% voted for the tories/conservatives, not a majority and less than the referendum vote. The freedom of any society is being able to have opinions which may differ from the main stream without being accused of being a "remoaner" which is just throwing insults. The capital city, London remained mostly labour.

It will have to negotiate a trade deal with every major country but can only start once a trade agreement is reached with the EU which in itself will take several years. Major problems dealing both with Scotland and Northern Ireland. Wales remained mostly labour gets kicked into the side lines. Leaving England.

Did people want an "independent UK" or an "independent England".

PM Bozo need to realise and understand how fickle the voters can be. Even can't or does not deliver on his promise his newly gained voters will once again turn against him.

The labour party is almost terminal but can recover with a new leader and grass roots policies. It has five years until the next general election.

PM Bozo will rule the next decade.

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Not looking good for Scottish leavers.

wait until the economic hit of Brexit and in a couple years well see if Scotland really wants to stay in the UK or become independent. Just like the Brexiteers have voted for their future , nobody other than Scotland choose its future also. Brexiteer fiasco is just starting

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Gosh the remoaners just can't concede defeat can they.

what are you talking about Brexit has already will be decided and itll be Brexit with a deal according to the law and will of the people. What Brexiteers cant understand is that Brexit will have consequences and it could very well mean Scotland becomes independent so it can stay in the EU just like the majority of its people voted

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Johnson has a point. No?

No he doesn't have a point Scotland is ruled by an independent government and the people of Scotland voted for the SNP giving them 48 seats out of 59, Scotland overwhelming wanted to stay in the EU and declaring a independence referendum is their democratic right just like Brexit was for the Sth. Brexiteers just cant get it into their heads that their decision will have consequences and dont act surprised if things dont go the way they hope

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Gosh the remoaners just can't concede defeat can they. The people have overwhelmingly back a strong independent UK,

The Scottish ‘remoaners’ overwhelming backed a party which supports remaining in the EU.

You did see how Scotland voted in the EU referendum, didn’t you?

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what are you talking about Brexit has already will be decided and itll be Brexit with a deal according to the law and will of the people

Your rambling doesn't even make sense (in the Queen's English). But I'll nibble. Read the story again! Then tell me how it even remotely explains why and how Boris won. It doesn't, it's just more spin (but this time salty), from a remoaning reporter who can't concede defeat.

Here are the facts that won the election:

£80 billions to be spent on northern infrastructure - how many jobs will that be for Scotland (Ireland)?

Wholesale changes to departments, linking business and trade, separating energy from climate, ie recognising what drives the UK, and the global order on carbon emission.

DEexEU gone, best staff to join international trade.

These are things that matters to the northern battlers, the traditional Labour supporters who switched their support to Boris because they've been heard.

For the rest of the country, the message is clear, a stronger UK, not a weak UK, tied down by the EU shackle like proletarians waiting for trinkets thrown from the rooftop by bureaucrats from Brussels.

Imagine the supercharged trade that will come from new trade deals. That's what coming! Bojo promised it before the election, and it looks like he is committing to the spending and changes. Complain when he doesn't, not before.

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PM Bozo has promised not to increase taxes so where will the money come from to pay for his expensive promises?

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Brexit has already will be decided and itll be Brexit with a deal according to the law and will of the people

very simple let me break it down for you, Brexit has been decided by the referendum , a no deal brexit was ruled illegal in October by UK parliament

£80 billions to be spent on northern infrastructure - how many jobs will that be for Scotland

£800 billion in capital has already left the UK for the EU, many of those manufacturing jobs will be next , a lot of those are in Scotland, when Scotland economy takes a hit because it was forced to leave the EU against its will then well see if they want to stay in the UK or become independent and be apart of the EU

are these facts simple enough for you to understand!?

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The Scottish ‘remoaners’ overwhelming backed a party which supports remaining in the EU

and? London remoaners too...all pale into insignificance when you look at the 80 seats majority.

I don't get it...even leftie Guardian is reporting a more accurate picture.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/boris-johnson-to-visit-new-tory-seats-in-north-east-england

Remoaners need to move on and let the UK reach its full potential, you don't need to look that far back to see how prosperous you can be trading with Commonwealth nations like Australia and New Zealand.

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For the rest of the country, the message is clear, a stronger UK, not a weak UK, tied down by the EU shackle like proletarians waiting for trinkets thrown from the rooftop by bureaucrats from Brussels.

want to make a bet on that, 70% of UK manufacturing is sold to the EU , after Brexit there will be tariffs attached to those goods that has already been decided and non negotiable by the EU. So yeah you think UK exports are somehow going to increase after Brexit lol

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These are things that matters to the northern battlers, the traditional Labour supporters who switched their support to Boris because they've been heard.

did you even watch the election , Scotland SNP won 48 seats out of 59 their mandated was staying in the EU, The will of the Scottish people have spoken, they voted remain in the referendum and they've kept their support of the SNP in this election.

next up, maybe not now but in the future is a referendum on independence, thats is Scotland's only way if it wants to chose it own future

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About 44% of UK exports in goods and services went to other countries in the EU in 2017—£274 billion out of £616 billion total exports.

After the UK leaves the EU, the future rules on trade will depend on what kind of agreement, if any, the UK reaches with the EU after its departure. Trade in services will be particularly important, because about 80% of the UK economy comes from providing services.

Australia's biggest trading partner is China for coal, iron ore, uranium, beef. The UK is Australia's eighth largest trading partner, with two-way trade valued at $26.9 billion in 2018. 

Canada wants a bigger trade deal with the UK.

No trade deals can be made until the one with the EU is made.

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Silenced the doubters. Maybe he will do so again once he starts implementing his programme.

if the Scots want to leave the. I guess that is sad but economically and socially no huge downside for UK

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maybe he will do so again once he starts implementing his programme.

and it has started...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-thumping-victory-boris-johnson-focuses-on-swift-brexit-boost-to-public-spending-11576236384

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Scotland SNP won 48 seats out of 59 their mandated was staying in the EU

and yet, when it had a chance, it voted to stay with the EU. There's nothing to be had out of the result for remoaners, it's consistent with the message of 'Nationalism' triumph over 'globalism'.

If it gone the other way, remoaners would pitch it as anti-Nationalism.

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after Brexit there will be tariffs attached to those goods that has already been decided and non negotiable by the EU

and you still believe the EU can be trusted on their words? Sigh...the EU decides whats good for them, higher prices will destroy whats left of the EU, that's worth a wager!

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£800 billion in capital has already left the UK for the EU

and yet the £ has appreciated 2% ? Do you even know how much comes and go every day?

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you don't need to look that far back to see how prosperous you can be trading with Commonwealth nations like Australia and New Zealand.

Australia's NZ economies have grown to the strength they are today because of China and their close proximity to Asia. UK doesn't have the resources to sell , labour too expensive and too far away from China to really reap any of the benefits.

eg Australia the largest iron ore exporters in the world and 2nd largest LNG gas to China, and one of the largest beef and agricultural exporters, NZ is the largest exporter of Dairy products in the world, no guess who buys the most.

Now what has the UK got that it can be a world export leader in and what China needs plenty of........yep thats why the UK is so dependant on the EU economy, now theyve just gone and shot themselves in the foot

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Scotlland will be independent before his term is up.

That's not what 56% of Scots want. They want to remain in the UK.

Not looking good for Scottish leavers.

wait until the economic hit of Brexit and in a couple years well see if Scotland really wants to stay in the UK or become independent.

The UK is going to do independent trade deals with the U.S. and other countries like they did for centuries without the EU until 1973, and the UK economy will take off.

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it voted to stay with the EU

typo, meant stay with UK

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Remoaners need to move on and let the UK reach its full potential,

they can try to do that but it may be without Scotland, if they choose that its their decision and forcing a mandate on them for which they clearly dont agree with will make them more determined to vote for independence. Brexiteers think they can have their cake and eat it as well. Brexit will be felt for many years to come

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Australia's NZ economies have grown to the strength they are today because of China and their close proximity to Asia

I'm was referring to past prosperity when NZ had thecworld's highest standard of living, before UK joined the EU, when the £ had substantially higher purchasing power, when it had multiple autos brands etc.

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The Scottish ‘remoaners’ overwhelming backed a party which supports remaining in the EU

and? London remoaners too...all pale into insignificance when you look at the 80 seats majority.

Scotland could leave the UK. I can’t imagine the city of London doing the same. That is the ‘and’.

Did you even read this article?

Do you understand the difference between a city ( London ) and a country ( Scotland )? It’s just that I actually met someone who thought London was a country.

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Brexit will be felt for many years to come

I'd put a wager on Brexit means pain for the first couple years, then it would be milk and honey.

Bojo is going to offset the pain with spending, cost of money is at all time low, NOW is the time for nation developing. Not a time to sit around and wait for what the EU and its dysfunctional bureaucrats to decide what comes next.

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I just say thank goodness the ridiculous Comrade Corbyn with his student union manifesto has been roundly defeated.

He was a complete joker and the hard-left posters who supported him on here must be regretting that Labour had such an idiotic leader.

Labour is now in a terrible position and will continue that way for a long time.

Well done Red Corby.

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It Scotland and Northern Ireland leave the UK that would leave the only other country, Wales in a hopeless weak position.

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JimizoToday 10:02 am JST

The People's Republic of Liverpool declares independence.

I imagine Johnson would be in favour of that. Liverpool never votes Tory anyway and he wrote trash about the city and was forced to apologise for it by Michael Howard.

Make him guest of honour at the next Derby and we can egg him at half time.

Ha, the Republic of Liverpool and Scotland sounds wonderful. Good luck to them!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg057Bn5-CQ

These are things that matters to the northern battlers, the traditional Labour supporters who switched their support to Boris because they've been heard.

Imagine the supercharged trade that will come from new trade deals.

These are things that matters to the northern battlers, the traditional Labour supporters who switched their support to Boris because they've been heard.

Fantasy nonsense as both WTF and Zichi explain. You clearly spend far too much time in the far-right echo chamber Matt and this just proves it:

I don't get it...even leftie Guardian is reporting a more accurate picture.

The Guardian has never been "leftie" and now it's nothing more than a neo-liberal, neo-con mouthpiece for the UK security services. Sure, it may be socially progressive but its hero is Tony Blair and they hate even Corbyn more than Johnson. You must obviously know that as you spend so much time posting on the Guardian website.....

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I'd put a wager on Brexit means pain for the first couple years, then it would be milk and honey.

Even if you are right, ‘milk and honey’ for whom?

The Tories have a shocking record of making the better off better off and leaving the rest to rot.

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wtfjapanToday 11:48 am JST

These are things that matters to the northern battlers, the traditional Labour supporters who switched their support to Boris because they've been heard.

did you even watch the election , Scotland SNP won 48 seats out of 59 their mandated was staying in the EU, The will of the Scottish people have spoken, they voted remain in the referendum and they've kept their support of the SNP in this election.

next up, maybe not now but in the future is a referendum on independence, thats is Scotland's only way if it wants to chose it own future

Just because SNP picked up seats doesn't mean anything, voting is not compulsory in the UK in fact the Glasgow region has the lowest voter turn out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50393317

To be a member of the EU, Scotland would have to meet a minimum requirement which it certainly doesn't now England sent 11 billion pounds extra just to prop the Scottish economy up, a number of major companies currently headquartered in Scotland have already stated they will move to England should Scotland vote to leave.

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I had hoped that the Scots would vote for independence when the opportunity was presented. Presuming the result was not... massaged, the addiction to the dole may have swayed the vote as then they would have had to be self-sufficient since they would also not have been able to join the EU. They could also vote with their feet and migrate to some socialist utopia like Venezuela or Cuba.

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Northern Ireland looks a goner to me, but I don't know about Scotland. N Ireland will go because it has a historically difficult border and Johnson is clearly happy to sacrifice the region to get his Brexit without the backstop, a set of rules that would apply to the entire UK. The choice is backstop or a border in the Irish Sea, and he's chosen the latter, i.e., to betray the unionists in Northern Ireland. The Americans have already made clear noises about the GFA being a condition of improved trade, so the reasons for dropping Northern Ireland just keep adding up.

The Scotland situation is much cloudier because even if they want independence and to rejoin the EU, potential realities like a hard border with the UK are pretty much unthinkable. As Tangerine says, Alex Salmond is likely heading to prison, which is a big reason the SNP wanted this election now and not in 2020. The mystery is why the Lib Dems wanted it, because it has just facilitated a hard Brexit. With a majority of minus forty-five, Johnson was a lame duck before the election. BRINO, BRexit in Name Only or a second referendum were in easy reach if Johnson had been left dangling. As Alfie points out, the LibDems/ex Tory moderates were the party of choice of Remainer movements and soft left like the Guardian, but they did even worse than Labour. It has been a spectacular balls-up by them, fueled mainly by irrational demonization of Corbyn.

If there is to be a hard Scottish border, just north of Sunderland would be my choice on the east coast. It can go down to Manchester and Liverpool on the west. :)

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Lots of "predictions" here from the hard-left posters.

I wonder if they will be as accurate as their predictions for last week's election.

Don't forget, they all backed the losing horse last week... or should we say, the old red nag Corbo.

Let's take their "predictions" with a huge pinch of salt.

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The conservatives have a habit of making promises and not delivering on them. We will have to see if PM Bozo is any better.

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Whatever, just thank goodness we have avoided the idiot Corbo.

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I wonder if they will be as accurate as their predictions for last week's election.

What predictions were they?

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What predictions were they?

Jimizo: You crack me up with your relevant questions that rightists can’t answer.

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In Scotland, 48 of the 59 seats were won by the Scottish National Party, which opposes Brexit and wants Scotland to become independent of the UK.

The 2014 referendum has 55% and a Dec. 7 YouGov poll has 56% of Scots saying they want to remain in the UK.

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The Labour supporters crack me up.

The joke's on the Labour party this weekend.

How many seats did they lose in the election?

In its present form, the only election the Labour party could win is a student union election... maybe not even that.

The Labour supporters here don't seem to care about the future of their own party. They act as if nothing happened... just want to make ridiculous "predictions" about the future of the UK.

It's funny.

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a Dec. 7 YouGov poll has 56% of Scots saying they want to remain in the UK

Hilarious to see you citing a poll given your proclivity for disparaging polls when they don’t support you.

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YouGov poll has 56% of Scots saying they want to remain in the UK

There's probably a poll result somewhere to suit everyone's opinion, but the immediate issue is not whether Scots want independence. It's about who gets to decide whether to hold a referendum, the Scottish parliament or the UK parliament. A simple democratic principle tells me it should be the Scottish parliament.

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If the election gave Boris a mandate, it also gave the SNP a mandate

Seems it's only fair - the UK got to vote whether they want to get directions from Brussels; the Scots and N. Irish get to vote whether they want to get directions from 10 Downing Street

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Remainers:

"Whenever things don't turn out the way I wish they did, it's all because of racism and homophobia."

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Bye-bye, UK! When Scotland puts forward its next referendum -- I'm guessing immediately after Brexit occurs -- what can Britain possibly say in terms of refusal? And when Europe scoffs and Britains entreaties to treat them on pre-divorce terms, and people are paying quadruple for products and the Pound has crashed, you'll hear the tired old, "I wanted Brexit, but I had no idea it would effect me!" garbage from the morons who approved of this thing.

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smithjapan:

immediately after Brexit occurs -- what can Britain possibly say in terms of refusal? And when Europe scoffs and Britains entreaties to treat them on pre-divorce terms, and people are paying quadruple for products and the Pound has crashed,

Is that a prediction? Please give us a time-frame so that I can remind you when your predicted events do not occur.

As you know, making predictions is best reality check on ones political understanding. Making wrong predictions means you got things wrong.

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I'm was referring to past prosperity when NZ had thecworld's highest standard of living, before UK joined the EU,

the vast majority of Australia's NZ prosperity has been in the last 30yrs and it no coinicdence that their biggest trading partner is China, they have mountains of what China desperately need resources and food imports.

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a Dec. 7 YouGov poll has 56% of Scots saying they want to remain in the UK

Hilarious to see you citing a poll given your proclivity for disparaging polls when they don’t support you.

I'm just putting the info out there. You can take it or leave it.

Actually I think the Scots should take another vote being as how Brexit has had a big impact since the 2014 vote. And can the results of the next one be respected please? Thanks.

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A major factor in the Scottish independence referendum was the Westminster threat that an independent Scotland would be out of the EU on its ear.

Hardly time for the dust to settle before Little England and Wales decide to take the whole UK - Scotland and Northern Ireland kicking and screaming - out of the EU.

If I were Scots, I'd be blowing-my-top livid and ready to throw a red-hot claymore at any dirty-playing underhanded lying Sassenachs that dared show their face north of the border. And I would be demanding another referendum, because the last one was corrupted beyond measure by the forked-tongue, two-faced Westminster politicos.

Born in England myself, I'd be really sad to see them go. But I wouldn't blame them one bit.

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Looking forward to adding a Scottish passport to my British and Irish ones, and then another for the People's Republic of Liverpool. At least we'll have the great football and beaches too.

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At least we'll have the great football and beaches too.

Great beaches in the UK? You’re credibility just took a hit, my friend!

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Great beaches in the UK? 

It sounds like you've never been to Bude in August. Or the Scilly Islands and about 100 other places I could mention.

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Liverpool has one of the best beaches in Europe. Formby Beach is a National Trust. Swimming, looking for shell food, horse riding.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/formby

and

https://www.visitliverpool.com/things-to-do/formby-beach-p244431

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Sh1mon M4sada.

what's left of the EU

....is a global trading power six times the UK's size.

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Hey, back in the 1860s the Republicans ended slavery as the Democrats were kicking and screaming - to the benefit of the nation as a whole.

Well, we've got no slaves that need freeing, and the way America did it (You do realise the rest of the world gives a good bit less than a toss about the shenanigans of Republicans/Democrats a century and a half ago? To us, you're all just Americans. Then and now.) involved war and lots of killing.

I'd rather the UK didn't follow your example, thanks.

Just please, don't try to 'help promote freedum' by funding terrorists, like you did during the Irish troubles.

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To us, you're all just Americans. Then and now.) involved war and lots of killing.

Don't forget saving your butts from the Germans.

I'd rather the UK didn't follow your example, thanks.

Sure, go ahead and become vassals of the new German Empire, er, the EU.

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I'd rather the UK didn't follow your example, thanks.

Sure, go ahead and become vassals of the new German Empire, er, the EU.

How can Johnson possibly negotiate a good trade deal with America-first, stable-genius Trump playing 426D chess? This is a genius with a killer instinct for cash. He robs from his own charities for covfefe’s sake.

The UK will surely be taken to the cleaners.

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Born in England myself, I'd be really sad to see them go.

We won't be going anywhere, Cleo. Same place as before.

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We won't be going anywhere, Cleo. Same place as before.

Surely you’d be generous enough to push your border south a bit though.

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How can Johnson possibly negotiate a good trade deal with America-first, stable-genius Trump playing 426D chess? The UK will surely be taken to the cleaners.

Do you hear Canada and Mexico complaining about USMCA? No, it's good for all three countries.

Hey, back in the 1860s the Republicans ended slavery as the Democrats were kicking and screaming - to the benefit of the nation as a whole.

What's that got to do with any of this?

Sometimes dragging someone kicking and screaming is good for everyone.

When the UK starts prospering from their independent trade deals with other countries like they did for centuries up until 1973, the Scot leavers will quiet down.

Say, are the anti-Johnsoners here against his proposal to abolish the BBC license fee?

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Don't forget saving your butts from the Germans.

Then as now US policy was America First. You sat sucking your thumbs until Pearl Harbor. When you did decide to join in you did your bit well enough, but you didn't single-handedly save anyone's butt. And you made a very pretty penny out of the UK, who was in hock to the US until 2006, eventually paying back double the aid received from America during the war.

go ahead and become vassals of the new German Empire

Piffle.

Sometimes dragging someone kicking and screaming is good for everyone.

lol - like The Chosen One is going to be dragged to impeachment? He's already doing plenty of kicking and screaming. That'll be good for everyone.

When the UK starts prospering from their independent trade deals with other countries....

We can all ride our sparkly pink unicorns onto the sunlit uplands and have a picnic.

are the anti-Johnsoners here against his proposal to abolish the BBC license fee?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I am. Don't try to fix something that ain't broke. I would willingly pay the BBC license fee to get a bit of decent telly.

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Part of the problem that gave rise to Brexit, was the lack of Social Integration within the Country. The UK has become multi-polarized into various pockets of diverse communities which is breaking down the British Identity and irking the Natives.

What's troubling is that when you talk about the Jewish religious groups - which are most self-isolationist, you start to hit the Anti-Semitic clause... which makes many people back off. This is wrong. All religious groups should be treated as equal upon the same level playing field, with the same rights being applied to each, equally. However, Anti-diversification laws should be in place. If a Sub-Community wishes to isolate itself from the rest of the population, then it should go somewhere else in the interest of the general population...otherwise, how else can you negate such them & us opinions ?

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The SNP in particular really dropped the ball holding their independence referendum before the Brexit referendum. Unlucky Scotland!

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 I would willingly pay the BBC license fee to get a bit of decent telly.

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LOL

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Johnson is a clown who will prove himself as moronic as Trump. Meanwhile good-by Great Britain and hello independent Scotland and Northern Ireland. RIP the United Kingdom that drowned in its own snot.

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Johnson is a clown who will prove himself as moronic as Trump.

Har! Compared to Corbyn, Boris is a statesman. And watch "moronic" Trump continue with keeping promises made and win 2020 in a landslide.

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jeancolmar:

Johnson is a clown who will prove himself as moronic as Trump.

Seeing that Trump is successful and is at least trying to meet his campaign promises, I take that as a compliment.

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