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A new hope, as simple as that.

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Like Trump in the US, BoJo just has to ignore the business leftie elites and get on with the job. The People's will has to come first for a change if democracy is to survive, else democracy will only be in name and the world will be looking to Russia, China etc. for inspiration.

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Boris Johnson UK Premiership is a systemic reaction to UK wide political inertia. The reality might be to make a clean break.

However, the UK will-have to support Ireland, economically, both North and South .....

How that is politically. diplomatically achieved is the diplomatic, political misnomer

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There is every chance that in 2050 ... we will be able to look back on this extraordinary period as the start of a new golden age for our United Kingdom," he said.

There will be no United Kingdom by then. At least, not in its current form.

After the occupied 6 counties are returned to Ireland and Scotland is free, the remaining entity will be part of the USA or whichever superpower is the highest bidder.

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The Brexiters sure want another bite at the apple.

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Sh1mon M4sadaToday  07:21 am JST

Like Trump in the US, BoJo just has to ignore the business leftie elites and get on with the job.

What job? Whatever it is he won't be getting on with anything if Parliament blocks him.

The People's will has to come first for a change if democracy is to survive...

No one's exactly sure what the people's will is though. At the moment the House of Commons, elected by the whole country, represents it a bit better than Boris Johnson does, having been chosen by a hundred thousand or so elderly Conservative Party members.

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Johnson, who took office on Wednesday after winning a Conservative Party leadership contest, has less than 100 days to make good on his promise to deliver Brexit by Oct 31. And Thursday's session of Parliament was the last before a six-week summer break.

So they will have about two month to renegotiate. And that's if the EU agrees to any renegotiation (it shouldn't).

Get ready for a no-deal Brexit !

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Wasn't that said before: no renegotiations!

But Boris is like that other "orange guy": "My way".

He ain't gonna get it!

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@Sh1mon M4sada

Boris is nothing like Trump, and England is nothing like America. The majority of the UK politicians are unelected Lords accountable to noone. Boris was not democratically elected, but appointed by handful of people from his party. Trump was democratically elected, and all senators and representatives are democratically elected. They can also be recalled by citizens at any time, UK politicians cannot.

The fanatical attitude he is showing is irritating me, but that's typical for English politicians. They are like criminal lunatics. They owe money to the EU. Those are money that they themselves agreed to pay in exchange for services that they keep receiving, they pledged the money, but now that they are leaving, they use everything they can in the most disgusting and cunning way possible to get what they want, which is EVERYTHING.

Most Americans watching this saga are probably thinking "they can't be asking to get all the benefits of a club without being In the club. There must be something i am missing", well, there isn't, that's exactly what they are asking for, that's their culture, their mentality, their mindset, and way of thinking, and that's why world leaders are saying they live on another galaxy. They want a special exception just for them.

They were given dozens of special exceptions while they were part of the EU to the point they were barely an actual member. They were simply taking all the benefits, while raging like rabid dogs that they have to accept the negatives too. "How can you possibly want me to PAY to be part of this golf club?!? I am BRITISH, i shouldn't have to pay, i should just GET WHAT I WANT, why are you asking me to pay?" they can't understand.

Here again, they are asking the EU for yet another special exception, because they believe they are special and they deserve special treatment. They want the EU to change their own rules just to please them. They want to have access to the common market, but they don't want to have to abide by their rules. They want the rules to be changed JUST FOR THEM, because they are SPECIAL.

It's like saying, i want to post on this website without making registration. Why won't you let me post without registration? I want to eat at a restaurant without paying. Why do i have to pay? I am special. I want to fly to X country free of charge. I don't understand why are you making me pay for this plane ticket? I am special, i should not have to pay for it. I want to eat without getting flag. Why do i have to get fat? I don't want to get fat, i want to eat but not get fat. That's literally their logic. As hard as it may be to understand, that's literally how they think. They will now try everything they can in the most vicious and fanatical way possible to extort the EU to get what they want. They have no moral principles or any consideration for anything. Pure and simple crude fanaticism. They care about nobody and nothing, all they care about is getting everything they want without giving anything back, i.e. have their cake and eat it too, which is by the way what Boris himself said when he was appointed foreign minister last year. He literally said "our policy is to have our cake and eat it too". Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1889723/boris-johnson-joins-forces-with-liam-foxand-declares-support-for-hard-brexit-which-will-liberate-britain-to-champion-free-trade/

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Like Trump in the US, BoJo just has to ignore the business leftie elites and get on with the job.

Business leftie elite? What on earth does that mean? All business is against Brexit, of course.

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Johnson insisted that while he wanted a deal, it could only happen if the EU budged, especially on an insurance policy for the Irish border that has been rejected by UK lawmakers.

He already said it. Unless EU budged there will be no deal. EU will not do that. So what is he going to do? Threaten to go to war? Do something super annoying?

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The majority of the UK politicians are unelected Lords accountable to noone

Wrong. Please read more.

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A new hope, as simple as that.

... No, The Fat-tum Menace, more like.

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The majority of the UK politicians are unelected Lords accountable to noone.

No they aren't. This is nonsense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom#Composition_and_powers

Boris was not democratically elected, but appointed by handful of people from his party.

More nonsense. Johnson was elected leader of the Conservative Party by its members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_ConservativeParty(UK)_leadership_election

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It doesn't have to be, Toasted Heretic a vision of disunity.

Well agreed ther are politicallyl perceived fundamental differences.

However economically there is a histrionic link, for better or for wors, that reaches back centuries.

Is this not a relationship best preserved, beyond political shenanigans, could not all be combined in a future economic politic first?

Of course, stated from an armchair in Kochi

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The EU will refuse to change their current deal. That is, unless Merkel picks up the phone in September and tell the EU Commission a new deal is needed.

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Didn't the British people vote to leave the EU?

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@Simon Foston

No one's exactly sure what the people's will is though

Of course they know what the will is. To get out of the EU, deal or no deal. The referendum didn't refer to any deal, the people just wanted out. In fact the debate before the referendum was silent on 'any deal' as well.

The big corporates with their vested interests are controlling the exit under May, or shall we phrase it correctly, controlling the 'no exit'.

The world is an unhealthy mess because of globalisation as designed by the big end of town, people everywhere have spoken up. It's time the politicians act on the people's will, or soon we wall all look to authoritarian states for inspiration.

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@Alfie Noakes

Business leftie elite? What on earth does that mean? All business is against Brexit, of course.

The big end of town, the global corporates elites are painting Trump, BoJo as nationalist right wing nut jobs, so they can maintain their monopoly on global movement of capital, jobs, etc., ie what matters to corporate profits, and CEO bonuses.

Notice strangely how in a globalised world, wages are still very much cordoned off at national boundaries? Are you happy that your job can be exported to Poland for half the cost, the product or services imported back and there's nothing you can do about it? The worst part, you can get that product for half the price in Poland, except there's strict distribution rights in place to stop you from buying at the cheaper price.

The EU, with its union wide rules for everything, especially the movement of people, goods and capital, EXCEPT wages.

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@ILoveCoffee

If what you post is representative of the Brits, then why are British people so keen to leave?

EU bureaucrats on the other hand are ALL unelected but rule making dictators.

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Didn't the British people vote to leave the EU?

Depends on which part of the UK you look at.

For example, NI voted to remain within the EU. But a small party called the DUP helped prop up May and her Government initially and then decided that their interests were best served by holding the rest of the UK to ransom.

This tiny, fundamentalist party from the 6 counties have a lot to answer for.

Britain could have left the EU by now but it allowed self serving politicians to dictate to the EU on how that exit would or wouldn't be done. It delayed and delayed.

It's like the cat that keeps scratching at the doors to be let out and when the door is opened, it just stands there uncertainty.

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@Simon Foston

No one's exactly sure what the people's will is though. 

It's crystal clear....

2016 - the British people voted to leave the EU

2017 - general election, in which parties with Brexit manifestos had an increase share of the vote (anti-Brexit parties saw their votes fall).

2019 - European elections - a win by the Brexit Party.

MPs that want to block Brexit, despite the manifestos of the parties they belong to and the promises they made when they stood, represent themselves only and not the wishes of the majority of people.

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For those who are interested:

Because Jeremy Corbyn failed to back a no-confidence motion before parliamentary recess, it is now impossible to hold a general election before October 31st (Brexit day).

So, unless there is new statute law put in place, the legal default position is for a WTO Brexit.

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This tiny, fundamentalist party from the 6 counties have a lot to answer for.

A tiny party if you look at the UK as a whole, but certainly not tiny in terms of NI politics where your focus invariably is. They are a major force.

I have no time for this party, but they are democratically elected members of the UK parliament where they make their voices heard, which is better than other elected members from that country who don’t even turn up to have their voices heard.

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Early election methinks.

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"Of course they know what the will is. To get out of the EU, deal or no deal. The referendum didn't refer to any deal, the people just wanted out. In fact the debate before the referendum was silent on 'any deal' as well."

Please, try to a little more truthful.

There was not talk of a deal, as now, that's correct.

However, the plebes were "assured" that the EU would bend over backwards, and Britain would get all the benefits and none of the disadvantages of Brexiting.

Cakeism, easiest deal in history, they need us more..., etc, etc, are all realities you cannot deny even if you try harder. Or paint self in gold.

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Trump was democratically elected, and all senators and representatives are democratically elected. 

More nonsense. The United States has The Electoral College which is a body of electors established by the United States Constitution, that is constituted every four years for the sole purpose of electing the president and vice president of the United States.

Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote but lost the ELectoral College. BUT, she also corrupted the Democratic party to secure the nomination to run. Many Americans believe that Bernie Sanders should have been NOMINATED to represent the party. Note, nominated is very, very different than elected.

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I have no time for this party, but they are democratically elected members of the UK parliament where they make their voices heard, which is better than other elected members from that country who don’t even turn up to have their voices heard.

Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Westminster because, as you well know, that would mean taking an oath to the Queen. A foreign monarch. That is against their principles and they would be rightly abandoned by their voters for doing so.

They do, however, take their seats in the Dail and Stormont (when it was running).

Sinn Fein are an inclusive party who have no time for the biblical hypocrisy displayed by Arlene and co.

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After the occupied 6 counties are returned to Ireland and Scotland is free, the remaining entity will be part of the USA or whichever superpower is the highest bidder.

Anglophobic nonsense.

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A different kind of PM will produce a different kind of UK. Remember, the world is made of east and west, as simple as that.

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"No-deal Brexit would be catastrophic for UK farmers, warns NFU"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/04/no-deal-brexit-would-be-catastrophic-uk-farmers-warns-nfu

Around 90% of the farmers voted leave; just like the auto-workers in Sunderland.

Both fell hook, line and sinker for all the promises of BJ, Farage et al.

They're about to be hardest hit by Brexit.

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Boris was not democratically elected,

actually he was, even though it was done by the the politicians. and if another election is called then the people will have a chance to vote for him or dump him. most important is that you cannot become PM without the majority support or largest voter support of your piers or voting public. America, well you can become President even if your apponent has the popular support of the people. Remind me again which is the proper democracy.

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New British PM Johnson wants to redo Brexit deal

Guy cant even do his hair let alone redo brexit.

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Didn't the British people vote to leave the EU?

yes they did but they thought they could have their cake and eat it also and that the EU would accept the UK cheery picking all the good parts of being in the EU and leave out the undesirable bits. The EU has clearly refused and now the Brexiteers are crying foul. LOL

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Both fell hook, line and sinker for all the promises of BJ, Farage et al.They're about to be hardest hit by Brexit.

that sounds eerily familiar to that other country across the pond.

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That is, unless Merkel picks up the phone in September and tell the EU Commission a new deal is needed.

actually no, all EU member countries have to agree on a deal for it to be passed in the EU parliament. Boris has to convince all EU countries that a new Brexit deal is in their best interests, goodluck , meanwhile businesses and huge capital is moving from the UK to the EU. checkmate MF

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Guy cant even do his hair let alone redo brexit.

Lying Johnson deliberately messes up his hair before public appearances. It's all part of the facade, intended to fool people into thinking he is something other than a power-hungry, philandering elitist.

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Johnson's delivery had an echo of his idol, Winston Churchill...

I saw the picture of Johnson about to enter Number 10,copying Churchill's hand in the pocket move. I'm a big Churchill fan and if Johnson even dreamed he was Churchill,he had better wake up and apologize. He's more akin to that obese dropkick stateside.A phony,untrustworthy lightweight.

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Lying Johnson keeps saying he wants to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement, but I haven't heard any detail at all about what he wants to do, other than make the backstop magically disappear. He has had years to come up with detailed plans and ideas, but all we get is empty rhetoric.

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Parliament is in summer recess. Less than 100 days to come up with a new deal, agreed by all the 27 EU countries. Ain't going to happen.

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I love how so many posters on here KNOW what the "UK people" thought when they ticked the exit box.

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Boris Johnson UK Premiership is a systemic reaction to UK wide political inertia.

Nah, it was just another internal Tory coup.

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MPs that want to block Brexit, despite the manifestos of the parties they belong to and the promises they made when they stood, represent themselves only and not the wishes of the majority of people.

The Tory manifesto promised a deal with the EU.

de Pfeffel Johnson's rejection of the existing deal coupled with his do-or-die October 31st commitment ensures that he will break this manifesto pledge.

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Like Trump in the US, BoJo just has to ignore the business leftie elites and get on with the job.

Theresa May's deal was resoundingly defeated 3 times in Parliament. Johnson comes into the job widely disliked - and thanks to his habitual lying, lack of loyalty to others, laziness, and disregard for detail - even more widely distrusted. And that's by his own party.

He has to achieve in 3 months what May couldn't in 3 years: get a deal through Parliament. And if his own bluster is to be believed, it has to be a new deal, renegotiated with the EU.

And he has to achieve this with a razor-thin majority: as with Theresa May, he can't rely on supine party-line voting from his Conservative colleagues.

So your idea that's it's all down to hammering his vision through, over the objections of a few lefties isn't just simplistic. It's deluded.

And I know what you're going to say: go for a no-deal. He won't get that without a fight either - it'll be no easier than May trying to get her deal through Parliament.

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The Brexit is the effect of the worse political situation in the history of the country. The cause are all the political parties which have reduced their rhetorics more to personal attacks against each other than debating what policies which are best for the country and the majority of people.

The British political situation is at the lowest levels ever. I don't think Bozo will change the life of the majority. He will line the pockets of the rich and big business. He will spend money and increase the national debt borrowing.

In some ways, Boris is like Trump. Both are disrupters without any head for the details.

The difference between remain and leave was very narrow.

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wtfjapanToday  11:03 am JST

Boris was not democratically elected,

actually he was, even though it was done by the the politicians.

Not really. He was elected by about a hundred thousand Conservative Party ordinary members, mostly elderly but some not actually old enough to vote in a proper election.

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Just me, but if the pm resigns, I think there should be new general elections.

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Concerning deDonald's, oh, sorry, deBoris' ambitions, here is the latest response:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-labour-rejects-early-bid-095321042.html

Guess he won't get it his way.

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PM Bozo stated yesterday the will be a general election after Brexit. Probably first half of next year.

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Donny: What happens when ignorance prevails at the poll. Brexit: See above explanation.

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 I wonder if it would lead to Ireland re-unifying too putting England in a bizarre situation of not being an island, but being surrounded by Europe.

Partition is a hundred years old, there will be renewed interest in unity for Ireland. As long as it doesn't threaten the peace process and as long as unity is inclusive of all traditions.

The problem is with the hardliners, the paramilitaries. Those who are impatient for a 32 county Republic and those who will defend the union by any means. The latter groups - the loyalists operated often in collusion with the crown forces. Which, in turn, made Republican paramilitaries justify their campaign against said forces. And on and on it went.

We must not return to the dark days.

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Anglophobic nonsense.

Hardly. A lot of people are worried about US and Russian interference in the UK. Coming out of the EU will make the UK even more vulnerable to such meddling.

Trump's comments the other month on the NHS caused alarm. But it seems everything is up for grabs, post-Brexit.

But the choice has been made & one must respect it.

Just as one must respect the choice of Scotland and NI leaving the UK.

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@Jimizo

The majority of the UK politicians are unelected Lords accountable to noone

Wrong. Please read more.

Actually, he is right.

There are;

777 seats in the House of Lords, and

650 seats in the House of Commons, therefore a significant majority (in political terms) are unelected.

@Serrano

Didn't the British people vote to leave the EU?

The English and Welsh did, the Scottish and Irish did not. In the case of Scotland by a majority of 24%. The UK is compromised of 4 nations.

The referendum, however, was merely advisory and not legally binding.

There are two immediately problems with it;

Firstly, no one actually knew what they were voting for (which "deal"?), and,

Secondly, the Leave group actually broke electorial law (on the top of usual lying, impossible promises, and misrepresenting most politicians get up to, and, in this case, Boris Johnson fronted up).

Where there was a margin of less than 3.78%, that is concerning, hence a widespread call for a second referendum on the specific deal if or what it is finalized.

And, as with the recent American election, there was also found to be foreign interference.

What those who are bleating "end of democracy" if it is carried out are really say is, "we want to get away with cheating to win".

Like Boris Johnson and the Leave group promising to spend £350 million a week more on the NHS universal healthcare if the UK left EU.

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Donny: What happens when ignorance prevails at the poll. Brexit: See above explanation.

What some people say when they don't agree with others' opinions.

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

What some people say when they don't agree with others' opinions.

Do you think Varadakar is wrong? Is his job to defend the backstop made easier with Johnson seeming hell-bent on jettisoning the backstop?

The opinions of Irish people, north and south of the Border seem not to matter to Brexiteers. Such arrogance and age-old prejudice towards the country have been amplified since June 23rd, 2016.

Was ignorance not on display having clueless Karen Bradley as Secretary of State for NI, or Rees-Mogg saying he didn't need to visit communities along the Border, of Johnson comparing the crisis to congestion in Camden?

I'm not sure why some would make excuses for these charlatans.

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Just as one must respect the choice of Scotland and NI leaving the UK.

Just as one must respect the choice of Scotland and NI if they wish to continue to be part of the UK.

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The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland voted in a referendum majority to leave the EU. There's no division of countries. The result is in.

Not a decision I would have supported by my vote, had it and other Brit expats not had their voting rights cancelled.

I support the majority decision to leave and no second referendum.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland survived for many thousands of years prior to the EU, and will do so again after leaving.

I and many other Brits do not not support an unelected House of Lords but then the President of America isn't elected by the people but by the Electoral College which also has the power to go against the wishes of the voters.

House of Lords by division

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/composition-of-the-lords/

The UK is compromised of 4 nations.

No it is not. The United Kingdom is third nations, England, Wales and Scotland.

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Just as one must respect the choice of Scotland and NI if they wish to continue to be part of the UK.

I will, reluctantly.

But sadly, in the case of NI, there are those who will continue to fight for their freedoms. As long as Partition remains, this will be the case. Some will always resort to violence.

I hope for peaceful unification.

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Hate to use the Wikipedia as a lazy reference but read the sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_of_the_United_Kingdom

It's 4.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland only came about in 1922.

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The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland only came about in 1922.

Partition, mate.

6 counties in Ulster were made into an artificial statelet. Which forms the basis for modern day Republicanism, as we know it.

Of course, before that you had the IRB and Fenian associated radicals in the 19th century, and centuries of oppression and uprisings beforehand.

It's complicated and utterly depressing.

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UK = Great Britain (England + Scotland + Wales) + Northern Ireland

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The United Kingdom is made up of four countries: ScotlandWalesEngland, and Northern Ireland. However, these four countries are sometimes not recognized as true countries, as they do not have individual representatives in international organizations such as the United Nations. While England, Wales, and Scotland have been independent countries in the past, Northern Ireland has never been a sovereign country. No legal definition explicitly states whether North Ireland is a state, country, or province. Furthermore, the list of countries provided by the International Organization for Standardization does not recognize Northern Ireland as a country.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-northern-ireland-a-country.html

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In 1920, the Irish War of Independence was raging. The British government had almost completely lost control of the country, and the Provisional Government under Sinn Fein was the de facto government in most of the southern 26 counties. In a panic, the British enacted a new law, the Government of Ireland Act of 1920. The law was ridiculously ambitious and unrealistic. The idea was to split the island into two separate political entities, each with its own parliament, but both still firmly under British oversight. 

The unspoken objective was to ensure that Northern Ireland was as large, as economically viable, and as populous as possible, while also ensuring that the population was majority Protestant. This was a significant concern for all sorts of reasons, going back a thousand years, and far too complicated to be repeated here. Suffice to say that Protestants and Catholics in Ireland don't have the best track record in terms of not murdering each other. 

The boundary between "Northern Ireland" and "Southern Ireland" was stipulated in the law:

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 going back a thousand years, and far too complicated to be repeated here.

More like 800 years but yeah, a long time.

Suffice to say that Protestants and Catholics in Ireland don't have the best track record in terms of not murdering each other.

Yes and no. There are many Protestants (Church of Ireland) in the south. And many Protestant Irishmen and women fought in uprisings and in parliament - Wolfe Tone, Charles Stewart Parnell etc.

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 The People's will has to come first for a change if democracy 

Since when have big-shot pols ever taken into account "the will of the people" unless threatened by massive demonstrations and violent overthrow?

PM Bozo stated yesterday the will be a general election after Brexit. 

The de Pfeffel parliamentary "Punch and Judy" show will end with the Brexit noose around Boris's own neck and not around that of the British people because the majority of MPs will never allow Boris to blunder into the nation's china shop and, after rampaging and wrecking it, brexit through the Tories' unicorn gift shop.

The referendum result is not legally binding and the demographics have changed in the meantime, so one may presume that the the ever fickle "people's will" looks quite different in 2019. Brexit is the chimera, Remain is the reality.

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Just as one must respect the choice of Scotland and NI if they wish to continue to be part of the UK.

I will, reluctantly.

That’s the point. If NI wants to go, good. If they don’t, good. The wishes of the majority need to be respected and accepted.

You seem to be going round in circles on this one.

Let’s deal with it if and when the time comes. In the meantime, there are other issues to be discussed.

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That’s the point. If NI wants to go, good. If they don’t, good. The wishes of the majority need to be respected and accepted.

The majority of Irish people were not respected when Partition was imposed on the country a hundred years back.

You seem not to comprehend this is one of the reasons that has led to where we are.

Let’s deal with it if and when the time comes. In the meantime, there are other issues to be discussed.

Sorry, guv. I forgot that British wishes are the most important thing here.

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That’s the point. If NI wants to go, good. If they don’t, good. The wishes of the majority need to be respected and accepted.

The majority of Irish people were not respected when Partition was imposed on the country a hundred years back.

True.

The point is what the people of NI want in the here and now. Again, if they want out, good. If they don’t, good. We we can keep dancing around this, but it is what matters and if they decide to go, I’ll be the first to wish them the best of luck.

As for ‘British’ wishes, as you know, citizens of NI have the right to identify as ‘British’.

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We we can keep dancing around this, but it is what matters and if they decide to go, I’ll be the first to wish them the best of luck.

Gawd bless ya, guvnor!

As for ‘British’ wishes, as you know, citizens of NI have the right to identify as ‘British’.

Aye and the majority of NI citizens (who identify as either, or both) voted to remain in the EU.

Which is kinda why I keep bringing up the nuances and quirks of the relationship between these two islands.

Anyhow, I feel pessimistic with Johnson at the helm, given his downright ignorance when it comes to Ireland.

But there's few Prime Ministers who have shown regard in that area.

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We we can keep dancing around this, but it is what matters and if they decide to go, I’ll be the first to wish them the best of luck.

Gawd bless ya, guvnor!

Cockney talk.

I’m a Scouser with a mother from the Republic of Ireland. Don’t stereotype the English and think I’m looking down on the Irish.

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If one looks at the structure of and control system of EU based upon the Euro, to re-establish membership will take away the "independence" and "liberty" of the people within the union. So Brexit made sense for Britain. It may make sense for others.

The problem is the "deal", where EU basically is "fining" Britain and "demanding" compensation for exiting the EU because it reduces their power to control Europe. In essense they are theatening Britain of economic sanctions and rights in trades if Britaion were not to "pay" the amount set by EU. All without any explanation that we know or made aware of as to who, where, when and how such funds will benefit the emebers of EU.

Therefore it is very difficut to "swallow" a deal with no real benefits described for Britain or especially for EU. For all we lnow it may go into the pockets of the EU's leadning countries or their "corporate" cofferes. It is not open and clear with rules and procedures not fully explained to those who voted for the exit, which makes it not clean.

Brits wanted a "clean" exit. So exit on time without a deal.

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The previous "Brexit deal" was no deal, it was a surrender document.

Boris must enact a real Brexit, and he knows that.

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The infighting among the global liberals puts a smile on my face.

An own agenda and policy has yet to be presented.

When you don´t have the right stuff, that wil be an impossible mission.

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The EU is not fining the UK for leaving its requiring the UK to pay what it already agreed to pay before leaving. When you leave your hotel you pay your bill on the way out.

Boris will not achieve anything in 100 days what May couldn't achieve in 3 years.

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BoJo's gonna get bupkis for all his bluster. He can say he'll go to the EU with a new deal, and they're gonna say "Nope."

BoJo and the Brexiters made their bed, now they're going to have to lie in it. Plain and simple.

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The EU is not fining the UK for leaving its requiring the UK to pay what it already agreed to pay before leaving

Subject to it being ratified by parliament. BUT, it has been knocked down 3 times. So divorce or not, no BILL in a legal sense. It was always as a goodwill gesture payment anyway, a contribution to the single market administration so as to achieve a fair Brexit. But since as the EU played hardball all the way, the EU doesn't deserve any payment. BoJo is the only politician with the balls to call a spade a spade in this situation.

In any case it was calculated as payment for UK's contribution to the running of the EU up to 2020 (despite it no longer being a member), BUT since as there is no Brexit, the BILL is reducing each day that the UK stay in the EU until 2020 when the BILL will be £0.

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Brits wanted a "clean" exit.

No. Once again a Brexit supporter wildly exaggerates the outcome.

The result was a very slim victory for Brexit, with 51.89% voting to leave, and 48.11 percent voting to remain. That is not "Brits wanted" anything, it is a split vote, with non-resident registered voters not even consulted.

The referendum gives no information about what kind of departure was desired: the question was this only: "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

And a no-deal Brexit is a no-deal Brexit, not a clean Brexit. It was not offered to the electorate, it was not demanded by the electorate, and there is no accuracy in calling it clean. It's simply a failure to reach agreement, the full consequences are unknown, but the indications are that it would be a disaster, as it's effectively an assault on stability.

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EU countries export to the UK was more than the UK export to the EU countries. I doubt the German Government and the French Government would like to see no deal exit because the German and the France Companies will hit harder than the UK. The UK trade deficit with the EU was 93 Billion pounds. Most of trade deficit comes from trade with Germany and the France.

Donald Tusk refusal to renegotiation for Brexit with the UK Government will be eventually go silent by pressure from the German Government and the French Government.

Good luck Boris.

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@Sh1mon M4sada

Because they were promised a lot of lies, such as 300 million pounds a week, which my friend Nigel Farage laughingly said was not true the day after the vote. Also, big part of England, roughly 30-40% hate immigrants and foreigners, and thought leaving EU would mean less immigrants. That was another lie, because most foreigners in England are from non-EU countries, in fact, only a tiny percent of foreigners living in England are from the EU. They were also told that Turkey would join the EU and sent 80 million Turks to England. Another lie. Pretty much what they want is for them to be able to freely travel into Europe, but for Europeans not to be able to freely travel to England. By the way, fun fact, the day after the vote, Google UK announced that the most searched question on Google UK was "What is the EU?". That says a lot. People there are incredibly easily brainwashed and manipulated by their media.

Also, English people consistently rank as the most ignorant and illiterate on how the EU works, which is probably why you think EU bureaucrats are unelected. You most likely have heard that from an Englishman who himself is either ignorant or purposefully deceitful, or both. All member states vote on EU elections. They sent national representatives to the EU parliament, which then form European parties, and the party with the most seats elects a minister. So it is the democratically elected representatives of each member state that vote and elect the EU representatives. It's similar to parliamentary system, and is more democratic than the UK government whose is majority unelected Lords. By the way, Brussels has 40,000 bureaucrats. The UK civil service has 400,000.

So, in conclusion, English people want to be able to be able to freely travel to Europe whenever they want, but they don't want Europeans to be able to do the same with England. UK government is undemocratic and incredibly bureaucratic, while the EU government is more democratic than the UK government and less bureaucratic.

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IloveCoffeeToday  07:21 am JST

...the UK government whose is majority unelected Lords.

Still repeating that rubbish?

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EU countries export to the UK was more than the UK export to the EU countries. I doubt the German Government and the French Government would like to see no deal exit because the German and the France Companies will hit harder than the UK.

The implications of no deal are far wider than just a crude import-export equation, but let's pretend otherwise. For German and French companies to be "hit harder", they'd have to be more reliant on exports to the UK (alone) than a British company would be on exports to the EU (any country).

If no deal is reached, once new rules are applied British companies exporting to other EU countries could lose any competitive edge they have, and need to look elsewhere for markets. EU companies can still trade within the EU, even if they lose the British market, and they can compete with British companies in other markets that the British already export to. On top of that, Britain will (not might, but will, under any form of Brexit) lose the preferential access it has to some markets as part of EU trade agreements, such as the recent deal with Japan, and will have to attempt to get new trade agreements with every such country in order to get back what it already had.

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@Simon Foston

...the UK government whose is majority unelected Lords.

Still repeating that rubbish?

As posted above, strictly speaking he is right.

777 seats in the House of Lords, and

650 seats in the House of Commons.

He is also right that the average English person is thick and has not clue about how the EU works, what it does, what it does that is in their interest, and primarily "voted against foreigners".

One of greatest ironies is, the demographic that is most Conservative and voted against foreigners were the retired who are going to die soon and leave the mess they created for the young ... who voted primarily in favor of remaining in Europe.

I'm sure some posts have gone missing again.

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He is also right that the average English person is thick and has not clue about how the EU works, what it does, what it does that is in their interest, and primarily "voted against foreigners".

Not in my family. There are more than 10 nationalities. 7 if the British ones are excluded. 3 from other EU countries.

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10 million foreigners live in the UK. About 14% of the population. 4 million EU. 6 million non EU.

Even after leaving the EU the rights of the EU people living in Britain are guaranteed. One million have registered to stay.

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Johnson trying to play chicken against 27. Unfortunately that's not winnable.

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zichi:

Boris will not achieve anything in 100 days what May couldn't achieve in 3 years.

Come again? What May (the determined remainer) tried in 3 years was to torpedo the Brexit and and remain under EU dictate. What Boris promises is a real Brexit, which something that May never tried.

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@zichi

He is also right that the average English person is thick and has not clue about how the EU works, what it does, what it does that is in their interest, and primarily "voted against foreigners".

Not in my family. There are more than 10 nationalities. 7 if the British ones are excluded. 3 from other EU countries.

Does that mean you are an English person with Scottish, Irish and Welsh blood in you? Hence your "British" or unionist stance? Presumably you're extending family to those who married into it now?

It's true many immigrants to England also voted for Brexit on the basis that by excluding Europeans, they would be able to immigrate more from their own homeland. I am talking about Muslim Bengalis large here.

Which is another big irony.

The Brexit votes was won by people who don't like foreigners, and foreigners they dislike even more, voting to bring in other kinds foreigners they would want even less.

In generally, your average British Nationalist would take a Pole before a Pakistani, yet will end up with fewer Poles and more Pakistanis and Nigerians.

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He is a disappointment already.

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pacificwestJuly 27  01:03 pm JST

@Simon Foston

...the UK government whose is majority unelected Lords.

Still repeating that rubbish?

As posted above, strictly speaking he is right.

777 seats in the House of Lords, and

650 seats in the House of Commons.

Except that the Commons is much more powerful and most of those Lords don't do a whole lot. They certainly never get any major Cabinet positions. And strictly speaking, Parliament isn't really the government.

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The infighting among the global liberals puts a smile on my face.

An own agenda and policy has yet to be presented.

When you don´t have the right stuff, that wil be an impossible mission.

Which is why anyone even remotely informed has little faith in Johnson. His bumbling as foreign minister and mayor of London, his unfortunate habits of not telling the truth and his ability to shirk a direct question do not endear him to all.

And hiring the disgraced Pritti Patel is jaw dropping stuff.

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