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Ford told the Post that Kavanaugh and a friend — both "stumbling drunk," she says — corralled her into a bedroom during a house party in Maryland in the early 1980s when she was around 15 and Kavanaugh was around 17. She says Kavanaugh groped her over her clothes, grinded his body against hers and tried to take off her one-piece swimsuit and the outfit she wore over it.

I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar

Digging up high school shenanigans on a 50 year-old is a witch-hunt.

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 i think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar. 

Of sexual assault? And you dare call this 'confidence'?

I wish things were different now, but no, people are still getting away with sexually assault.

It's only a witch hunt if the accusations aren't true. Anyone who sexually assaulted someone and can't admit it, deserves to be publicly called out.

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I tried to give you a thumbs-up on this one, BB, but it still looks like you've got a zero. There's more to say about the issue, too.

While I agree with you about things being different now than they were when I was in high school (late 60s and early 70s) I must say I didn't try to grope any girls in those days. The ones I dated (and there were a lot of them, thanks to my rock band persona) they either wanted to enjoy the attention of sexual/sensual touching and the 'end result', or they didn't. Many did, and more often than not, they pushed it, not me. And I don't know of any of my classmates or friends who would have pushed themselves on a girl in that way. Yes, the 'sexual revolution' was underway (remember Woodstock?) but the 'revolution' was two-way, not in any way relative to rape or attempted rape. These days, thanks to the media and its propensity to blow many things out of proportion (not this issue, necessarily, but it fits), it seems men can't even say a woman looks nice, or that she has nice legs, or nice hair, or (God forbid) a nice smile, without fear of some form of retribution.

I'm glad I'm slightly over 60, and viewed as simply (perhaps) a wishful old man. Pity the young guys, though.

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it seems men can't even say a woman looks nice, or that she has nice legs, or nice hair, or (God forbid) a nice smile, without fear of some form of retribution.

If men don't know the difference between flirting (by definition a consensual social act) and forcing their attention and bodies on someone who has not expressed interest in them, then the problem is not the media.

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No wonder Trump picked this loser, they are two peas in a pod when it comes to assaulting women.

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He's conservative. Just deny deny deny until it all goes away

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I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar.

Resorting to violence to get what they couldn't otherwise? And you're proud of that?

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I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar.

Then 90% of your friends should have gone to jail. Sexual assault was not put on

the books in 2018.

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I knew this was going to happen.

I knew that the Democrats were going to cook up a last-minute, bogus sex-related allegation against him.

I just knew it. I knew it because Democrats have done this time and time again.

Time and time again, the Dems have waited until the last moment -- before an election, a confirmation, or whatever -- to pull this sort of crap.

Oh, by the way, dozens of other women who know Kavanaugh have signed a letter saying that he never did anything of the sort, and that he always treated them with nothing but respect.

And unlike the "victim," we actually know their names.

Democrats must think we are completely stupid to expect us to fall for this nonsense. Why did they wait until NOW to come out with this? Because it's totally fake, that's way.

There are few things more hateful and vicious than falsely accusing someone of something -- especially something like this.

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I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar.

Digging up high school shenanigans on a 50 year-old is a witch-hunt

Oh, without a doubt!

This is another style Democrat Clarence Thomas lynching pure and simple. By these allegations, most high school boys should be on death row in that case. The Democrats are so mental and desperate and now they’re just delirious. These people will go down to the lowest depths to retake power, thank God 65 women came out in support of Kavanaugh from his high school and beyond to make the counter argument over this one individual.

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I believe her story.

36 yrs late and no real proof that this happened. Not enough to stop anything, unfortunately. She couldn't have known all those years ago that something like this would happen. Too bad.

He will be confirmed.

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What a totally contrived Democratic hit job. First a unsigned accusatory statement, known in July and released in September. Now a 51 year mystery woman appears .. all to derail this nomination hoping they can win the Senate and House. Its so transparent, so deceiptful, otherwise known as so Democratic. Pathetic

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And unlike the "victim," we actually know their names.

Her name is Christine Blasey Ford.

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Ford said she kept silent about the alleged incident until she was in couples' therapy with her husband in 2012. Her husband, Russell Ford, recalled to the Post that she talked during their 2012 sessions about the incident and said she had mentioned Kavanaugh's last name and that he was a federal judge who might be on the Supreme Court eventually.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/christine-blasey-ford-brett-kavanaugh/index.html

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Hey didn’t Ellison and Schneidermann just kinda “go away” (with help from the media).

This accuser doesn’t remember whose house, where it was, why she ended up there and the therapist’s notes had the wrong number of people involved.

But yeah let’s use 35 year old allegations from a registered Democrat to screw a guy that 65 other women said is a great guy. Dems shouldn’t have announced they would do “whatever it takes” to stop this appointment.

He's conservative. Just deny deny deny until it all goes away

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More concerning is Kavanaugh's financials, which indicate a man living beyond his family's means in terms of debt load. The last thing we need is a judiciary that can be "had."

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The Post reviewed the therapist’s notes, which reportedly don’t mention Kavanaugh’s name 

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/406925-kavanaugh-accuser-breaks-silence-about-sexual-misconduct-allegations-detailed

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MariaToday  07:21 am JST

it seems men can't even say a woman looks nice, or that she has nice legs, or nice hair, or (God forbid) a nice smile, without fear of some form of retribution.

If men don't know the difference between flirting (by definition a consensual social act) and forcing their attention and bodies on someone who has not expressed interest in them, then the problem is not the media.

You’re absolutely right, Maria - +1

Fortunately, many of us (real) were properly socialized during our formative years, and enjoyed a healthy relationships with mothers, thereby learning to respect all women.

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Like any of your opinions matter. A Republican won the Whitehouse, the Dems are in a tizzy and Kavanaugh 

will win confirmation. Suck it up already and show up and vote next time around.

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zurcroniumToday  07:38 am JST

No wonder Trump picked this loser, they are two peas in a pod when it comes to assaulting women.

Absolutely right - +1

Another example of what the Dear Leader considers to be the ‘Best of the Best’

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bass4funkToday  08:30 am JST

This is another style Democrat Clarence Thomas lynching pure and simple. 

I find it very interesting that you've confidently asserted three mutually contradictory stances on the issue of guilt and innocence on this site. Sometimes (like when a Republican Senate candidate is accused of pedophilia) you demand we must keep an open mind, not judging a person to have committed a crime until they've been proven to have committed a crime. Other times, you insist you can know someone is guilty of a crime before they've been found guilty in a court (any time the accused supports the Democrats). Now you're insisting that a person can be known to have not committed a crime, indeed that their accusers are the ones to have actually committed a crime by making a false accusation, simply by virtue of it being really convenient for this Trump supporter that we not talk about their alleged crime because you want them approved quickly. It's fascinating to watch you evolve Orwellian double-think into triple-think in real time.

thank God 65 women came out in support of Kavanaugh from his high school

I don't know about you, but when someone needs to keep a list of 65 women they haven't raped as an argument that they haven't tried to rape anyone, that raises my suspicions.

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There are few things more hateful and vicious than falsely accusing someone of something -- especially something like this.

Oh, I can think of a couple more hateful and viscous...

“Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right?" Rep. Kevin McCarthy asked on Fox News. "But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today?”

"The suit filed in federal court by Joel and Mary Rich alleges that Fox News intentionally exploited the death of their son "through lies, misrepresentations, and half-truths" in a May 16, 2017, online story. The story said federal investigators had evidence Seth Rich was in contact with WikiLeaks before his death and could have provided DNC emails that were disseminated during the 2016 presidential campaign. Rich was found shot to death in a northwest Washington neighborhood on July 10, 2016. Police had no suspects in his death but concluded it was a botched robbery attempt."

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This is just sad. No one is a “certified groper”.

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HakmanToday  08:27 am JST

I knew this was going to happen.

There are few things more hateful and vicious than falsely accusing someone of something -- especially something like this.

Please present some evidence that you knew this in advance.

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“He's conservative. Just deny deny deny until it all goes away.”

”I did not have sex with that woman”.....

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theFuToday  08:31 am JST

I believe her story. 

36 yrs late and no real proof that this happened. Not enough to stop anything, unfortunately. She couldn't have known all those years ago that something like this would happen. Too bad.

Sadly, I agree with you -+1

He will be confirmed.

If so, it will be another Trump orchestrated tragedy.

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"Top Senate Democrats, including New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, immediately called for postponement of a Thursday vote by the Senate Judiciary Committee on whether to recommend that the full Senate confirm Kavanaugh to replace retired Justice Anthony Kennedy on the nation's highest court. Republicans gave no indication Sunday that they would do so."

What's the rush?

They've been rushing since he was nominated.

Yet had no problem holding a SCOTUS seat open for almost a year in order to keep an Obama nominee off the court.

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CrazyJoeToday  08:44 am JST

More concerning is Kavanaugh's financials, which indicate a man living beyond his family's means in terms of debt load.

Couldn’t agree more - +1

The last thing we need is a judiciary that can be "had."

Assuming, of course, that ship hasn’t already sailed.

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katsu78Today  08:59 am JST

bass4funkToday  08:30 am JST

This is another style Democrat Clarence Thomas lynching pure and simple. 

I find it very interesting that you've confidently asserted three mutually contradictory stances on the issue of guilt and innocence on this site. Sometimes (like when a Republican Senate candidate is accused of pedophilia) you demand we must keep an open mind, not judging a person to have committed a crime until they've been proven to have committed a crime. Other times, you insist you can know someone is guilty of a crime before they've been found guilty in a court (any time the accused supports the Democrats). Now you're insisting that a person can be known to have not committed a crime, indeed that their accusers are the ones to have actually committed a crime by making a false accusation, simply by virtue of it being really convenient for this Trump supporter that we not talk about their alleged crime because you want them approved quickly. It's fascinating to watch you evolve Orwellian double-think into triple-think in real time.

Beautifully put, Katsu, as always - +1

thank God 65 women came out in support of Kavanaugh from his high school

I don't know about you, but when someone needs to keep a list of 65 women they haven't raped as an argument that they haven't tried to rape anyone, that raises my suspicions.

And, I would suggest, a lot of other people’s.

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Any man - even at age 17 - who doesn't understand the difference between seduction (fun!) and attempted rape (criminal!) needs to do some serious rethinking. This is particularly true for a SCOTUS nominee - particularly the aspect that he is potentially lying.

The timing of this revelation was brilliant. The GOP wants to rush through Kavanaugh before the mid-terms, just in case. Now, in the run-up to these delicate elections, Repubs will be forced to defend the above two assertions. Good luck with that; even if they manage to succeed, Kavanaugh will forever be damaged goods.

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More concerning is Kavanaugh's financials, which indicate a man living beyond his family's means in terms of debt load. The last thing we need is a judiciary that can be "had."

Now how would you know that and what difference does it make on what debt he owes? Will that in some strange liberal way impact his decision making on the courts? The last thing we need are idiotic Democrats that in the most sneakiest way try to once again usurp this process and they do it every single time with a conservative nominee, they did with Bork, they did it with Thomas and now with Kavanaugh, why don't they follow their own rules and use the Ginsburg rule or do they not want to play by their own games?

I find it very interesting that you've confidently asserted three mutually contradictory stances on the issue of guilt and innocence on this site. Sometimes (like when a Republican Senate candidate is accused of pedophilia) you demand we must keep an open mind,

I do, but let's not kid ourselves with Moore as in with Kavanaugh's case the liberals went way out to do a hit piece on both these men, the left never once in either cases gave these men the benefit of a doubt, they just confidently and maliciously said, yes, they are guilty of an alleged crime and that was the end or Moore and now they are trying to do the same thing to Kavanaugh and we all know why, this is not about what Kavanaugh allegedly did, this is about the fear the left has of having a conservative SC and the left doing everything and I mean, everything in their power to thwart the process, we all know that, so the left making fabricated concern that they have for this woman and the rule of law and past transgressions is a complete farce.

not judging a person to have committed a crime until they've been proven to have committed a crime. Other times, you insist you can know someone is guilty of a crime before they've been found guilty in a court (any time the accused supports the Democrats).

That is absolutely not true unless there is physical and tangible evidence as in the case of Al Franken's situation where you had photos of him physically and inappropriately groping a woman, so yes, I did say he was guilty of that, however, I also thought it was an overreach and his accuser forgave him and he should have fought the charges since they were so long ago anyway. I never liked the guy or his politics and what he stood for, but I do believe in the presumption of innocence and if I were him, I would have fought to keep my seat.

Now you're insisting that a person can be known to have not committed a crime, indeed that their accusers are the ones to have actually committed a crime by making a false accusation, simply by virtue of it being really convenient for this Trump supporter that we not talk about their alleged crime because you want them approved quickly. It's fascinating to watch you evolve Orwellian double-think into triple-think in real time.

What I am saying is, Feinstein is a piece of work to put it friendly, she sat on the information since June, she had more than enough time to turn it over and share it with the committee and turn it over to the FBI as well as allowed Kavanaugh to know who his alleged accuser is, he has that absolute right and then now the woman brings out this information right after the hearing, but not during where they could have asked him all the allegations in detail? She didn't, Feinstein knows full well that Kavanaugh is more than qualified to sit on the bench, the guy is squeaky clean, so what do they do? These people go way back to 1983 where he is still a kid, remember...a kid, a child and pushed himself on a woman and now because of that the Dems want to delay the process? It's evident and clear as day what these people are trying to do. The process is going through, the Dems can scream and cry all they want, but the man will be confirmed, the left is just stalling and hoping for some intervention of some kind, but it won't stop the inevitable.

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When I was a young teenager,groping and being groped was part of growing up.

At seventeen I had a more adult perspective on life.

Some of us mature a little later in life...

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he is still a kid, remember...a kid, a child and pushed himself on a woman

No. He was a seventeen-year-old, who forced himself onto a fifteen-year-old child and molested her.

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Suck it up already and show up and vote next time around.

That's the line the victims always get. Well she ain't 'sucking it up' anymore, she's telling the truth to the world - Kavanaugh is an egotistical creep with a history of attempted sexual assault. Trump stands by him because they are so much alike it ain't funny. Donnydouchebag brags about his sexual harassing like a middle school kid and he supports Kavanaugh whole-heartedly. KAVANAUGH IS NOT WORTHY TO BE A SCOTUS JUSTICE AND NEITHER IS CLARENCE THOMAS.

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These people go way back to 1983 where he is still a kid, remember...a kid, a child and pushed himself on a woman

He's 53 and she's 51. How is it he was a child and she a woman?

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bass4funkToday  08:30 am JST

I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar. 

Digging up high school shenanigans on a 50 year-old is a witch-hunt

Oh, without a doubt!

This is another style Democrat Clarence Thomas lynching pure and simple.

Oh, I doubt that!

By these allegations, most high school boys should be on death row in that case.

Wow, when did attempted sexual assault become a crime punishable by execution?

...thank God 65 women came out in support of Kavanaugh from his high school and beyond to make the counter argument over this one individual

So, you think only weight of numbers equals credibility?

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kurisupisuToday  09:52 am JST

When I was a young teenager,groping and being groped was part of growing up.

At seventeen I had a more adult perspective on life.

Some of us mature a little later in life...

Agreed - +1

But, sadly, some never achieve an adult, or socially acceptable, prespective on life or attitude towards females of any age. I’m sure I don’t need to name names.

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burning bush:

I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar

90% of the boys in your school tried to rape a girl? Jesus, I'm sure glad I didn't go to your school. That is sick.

kurispu:

When I was a young teenager,groping and being groped was part of growing up.

I'd say this was more than groping.

What is it with Trump's swamp creatures. Paedophiles, molesters, philanderers, racists, misogynists, liars.

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Innocent until proven guilty.

Evil if guilty. Evil accusation if not guilty. She should go to the authorities, but probably impossible to prove now.

Therefore there will be no effect on the nomination.

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"The therapist's notes say four boys were involved, but Ford says that was an error by the therapist."

Maybe her whole story is an error. It's her word against his. And how come she waits for 36 years to accuse him specifically of this attack?

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That's the line the victims always get. Well she ain't 'sucking it up' anymore, she's telling the truth to the world - Kavanaugh is an egotistical creep with a history of attempted sexual assault. Trump stands by him because they are so much alike it ain't funny. Donnydouchebag brags about his sexual harassing like a middle school kid and he supports Kavanaugh whole-heartedly. KAVANAUGH IS NOT WORTHY TO BE A SCOTUS JUSTICE AND NEITHER IS CLARENCE THOMAS.

So let me guess, Ginsberg and Breyer deserve being on the court, right? lol

Oh, I doubt that!

No, that's exactly what it is and nothing more.

So, you think only weight of numbers equals credibility?

I never said that.

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One news source says "sexual assult", another says "attempted rape", and yet another says "groping". These seem to be rather different in degree (I'm not a native English speaker). What is going on here?

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Maria:

No. He was a seventeen-year-old, who forced himself onto a fifteen-year-old child and molested her.

I hope you don't mind me saying so, but accusations of sexual assault are very serious. We must presume him innocent until proven guilty.

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I don't know about you, but when someone needs to keep a list of 65 women they haven't raped as an argument that they haven't tried to rape anyone, that raises my suspicions.

I feel when someone keeps a list of some alleged crime that has allegedly taken place supposedly back in the early 80's and a liberal senator on the top of the ranking intelligence committee having access to information from way back in June, sits on it until the very last minute when all the hearings are done and just a few days before the votes come to bring out this information raises suspicions in my eyes, not to mention that even the FBI refuses to touch it. Dems, take it all in, it's going to happen.

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Now how would you know that and what difference does it make on what debt he owes? Will that in some strange liberal way impact his decision making on the courts? The last thing we need are idiotic Democrats that in the most sneakiest way try to once again usurp this process and they do it every single time with a conservative nominee, they did with Bork, they did it with Thomas and now with Kavanaugh, why don't they follow their own rules and use the Ginsburg rule or do they not want to play by their own games?

Says the guy who supported subverting the Constitution and our democracy by failing to give Merrick Garland a vote...

I do, but let's not kid ourselves with Moore as in with Kavanaugh's case the liberals went way out to do a hit piece on both these men, the left never once in either cases gave these men the benefit of a doubt, they just confidently and maliciously said, yes, they are guilty of an alleged crime and that was the end or Moore and now they are trying to do the same thing to Kavanaugh and we all know why, this is not about what Kavanaugh allegedly did, this is about the fear the left has of having a conservative SC and the left doing everything and I mean, everything in their power to thwart the process, we all know that, so the left making fabricated concern that they have for this woman and the rule of law and past transgressions is a complete farce.

"..everything in their power to thwart the process" Yes, see above. And you know your argument is weak when you are forced to defend a known sexual predator...

That is absolutely not true unless there is physical and tangible evidence as in the case of Al Franken's situation where you had photos of him physically and inappropriately groping a woman, so yes, I did say he was guilty of that, however, I also thought it was an overreach and his accuser forgave him and he should have fought the charges since they were so long ago anyway. I never liked the guy or his politics and what he stood for, but I do believe in the presumption of innocence and if I were him, I would have fought to keep my seat.

You misunderstand criminal versus non-criminal matters. Kavanaugh is not being prosecuted in a criminal court - if he was, then evidentiary proof required to convict would be "without a doubt". He's being reviewed by a Senate Panel to determine his worthiness to be a Supreme Court Justice. Any information pertinent to that selection should be heard, reviewed and assessed.    

What I am saying is, Feinstein is a piece of work to put it friendly, she sat on the information since June, she had more than enough time to turn it over and share it with the committee and turn it over to the FBI as well as allowed Kavanaugh to know who his alleged accuser is, he has that absolute right and then now the woman brings out this information right after the hearing, but not during where they could have asked him all the allegations in detail? She didn't, Feinstein knows full well that Kavanaugh is more than qualified to sit on the bench, the guy is squeaky clean, so what do they do? These people go way back to 1983 where he is still a kid, remember...a kid, a child and pushed himself on a woman and now because of that the Dems want to delay the process? It's evident and clear as day what these people are trying to do. 

Victims have rights - she wanted to remain silent.

The process is going through, the Dems can scream and cry all they want, but the man will be confirmed, the left is just stalling and hoping for some intervention of some kind, but it won't stop the inevitable.

Yes, and like the Access Hollywood Tape, Stormy Daniels, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, and now this, communicates to women everywhere what the Republican Party really thinks of them...

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You can’t judge a judge.

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MariaToday  09:54 am JST

he is still a kid, remember...a kid, a child and pushed himself on a woman

No. He was a seventeen-year-old, who forced himself onto a fifteen-year-old child and molested her

Agreed - +1

Keep punching Maria.

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@Concerned Citizen:

accusations of sexual assault are very serious. We must presume him innocent until proven guilty.

I agree that these accusations are serious, and should therefore be taken seriously.

The assumption that the person making the accusations, is lying, is an assumption kept especially for victims of sexual assault. In what other crime is the victim immediately accused of lying?

If her word is to be immediately doubted, then so is his. If she is possibly a liar, then so is he. The number of actual sexual assaults outnumber false accusations by an enormous margin.

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Sixty-five women who knew Kavanagh in high school defended him in another letter, circulated by Senate Judiciary Committee Republicans, as someone who "always treated women with decency and respect."

Christine Blasey Ford's questionable memories smell like three-day-old diapers. Her current story doesn't even match the story she had told her therapist. How convenient of her to come forward at this particular time in order to aid her favorite political party (a Democrat).

It obviously doesn't matter who the Republicans would have nominated, they would all have received this muck-raking, mud-slinging, trash-talk from Hillary supporters.

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Says the guy who supported subverting the Constitution and our democracy by failing to give Merrick Garland a vote...

No, it's also the constitutional right of the GOP to hold hearings on the candidate of their choosing. Garland wasn't a candidate the GOP felt was conservative to be put on the bench given a few alarms they found on his voting record which doesn't align with traditional conservative values and that's why he was passed up, also Biden and Reid said, they don't have to hold any hearings on Bush nominees, so if the Dems can have that standard, so can the conservatives.

"..everything in their power to thwart the process" Yes, see above.

That is exactly what the left are doing and all their endeavors and efforts won't help them to derail this candidate.

And you know your argument is weak when you are forced to defend a known sexual predator...

How would you know that? Wait, are you prematurely accusing this man without knowing the facts? if you go by that and as I have said before, most men his age would be in prison, there would be an overcrowding of prisons throughout the country.

He's being reviewed by a Senate Panel to determine his worthiness to be a Supreme Court Justice. Any information pertinent to that selection should be heard, reviewed and assessed.

But with the info Feinstein sat on since May, she couldn't have brought it to the attention of the of the committee back then knowing what she knew? If she were so concerned, she would have brought it to the committees attention and would have grilled him and justifiably so during the hearings, but she waits until after the hearings. This is a bunch of crock of.... you know what.....

Victims have rights - she wanted to remain silent.

Until now and right up until the voting process begins? Yeah, sure...

Yes, and like the Access Hollywood Tape, Stormy Daniels, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, and now this, communicates to women everywhere what the Republican Party really thinks of them...

Oh, dear lord.

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@bas4 Dems, take it all in, it's going to happen.

Unfortunately I agree.

And after this latest political debacle the world has clear evidence that the Trump administration and his enablers in the Republican Party are the most unethical, im- (maybe a-) moral politicians the US has seen in modern times. Even worse than Nixon and Reagan.

Trump and the Republicans: maintaining the wealth and power of the US elite by any means possible, while helping their fellow .01% around the globe.

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Concerned CitizenToday  10:19 am JST

Maria:

No. He was a seventeen-year-old, who forced himself onto a fifteen-year-old child and molested her.

I hope you don't mind me saying so, but accusations of sexual assault are very serious.

Agreed - +1

We must presume him innocent until proven guilty.

Agreed, but why are you posting your comments against Maria’s instead of those made by all of the commenters attacking the woman making these accusations?

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One news source says "sexual assult", another says "attempted rape", and yet another says "groping". These seem to be rather different in degree (I'm not a native English speaker). What is going on here?

Sexual assault is a legal term referring to an assault of a sexual nature - both groping and rape would fit into this. Attempted rape is another legal term, that would mean he tried to rape her, but didn't succeed. Groping is a non-legal word, that means using ones hands to grab places they shouldn't be grabbing. The difference in meaning isn't in degree, rather a difference in how/where they are used.

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Haaa NemuiToday  09:55 am JST

These people go way back to 1983 where he is still a kid, remember...a kid, a child and pushed himself on a woman

He's 53 and she's 51. How is it he was a child and she a woman?

Excellent question - +1

Don’t hold your breath for an answer though.

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PTownsend, I'm not so sure. The GOP gambit was to rush through Kavanaugh's nomination before anyone noticed; most people don't pay attention to these things. There is still a possibility that this could happen, but it is far less than before. And the longer he remains hanging out in the wind, the more will notice his stench. This particular story meshes with other concerns about his commitment to women's rights. And, as one poster wrote above, there is the mystery of how his substantial debts suddenly vanished. Like their tax law, the GOP has taken something they thought was a sure winner and turned it into merde.

Above all, it has given several GOP senators who had reservations about the nomination an excuse to vote no - or at least an excuse to drag this out.

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No, it's also the constitutional right of the GOP to hold hearings on the candidate of their choosing. Garland wasn't a candidate the GOP felt was conservative to be put on the bench given a few alarms they found on his voting record which doesn't align with traditional conservative values and that's why he was passed up, also Biden and Reid said, they don't have to hold any hearings on Bush nominees, so if the Dems can have that standard, so can the conservatives.

Wrong - he wasn't given a vote - if they felt he wasn't suitable, the they should have voted - if a majority had agreed, then he wouldn't have been confirmed.  McConnell subverted the Constitution by not even allowing vote - and even Trump supporter Alan Derschowitz has called it shameful and a travesty...

That is exactly what the left are doing and all their endeavors and efforts won't help them to derail this candidate.

Merrick Garland...

 How would you know that? Wait, are you prematurely accusing this man without knowing the facts? if you go by that and as I have said before, most men his age would be in prison, there would be an overcrowding of prisons throughout the country.

See previous post, criminal vs non-criminal.  I'm not saying he should be indicted, I just said he's a pervert who scouts high school girls...

But with the info Feinstein sat on since May, she couldn't have brought it to the attention of the of the committee back then knowing what she knew? If she were so concerned, she would have brought it to the committees attention and would have grilled him and justifiably so during the hearings, but she waits until after the hearings. This is a bunch of crock of.... you know what.....

Victims have rights, especially women victims...

Until now and right up until the voting process begins? Yeah, sure...

?????

Yes, and like the Access Hollywood Tape, Stormy Daniels, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, and now this, communicates to women everywhere what the Republican Party really thinks of them...

Oh, dear lord.....ROFL!

Ducked that one too I see.  But you may have latched on to something.  I imagine there are more than a few evangelicals who have a problem with the way the Republican Party disrespects women.

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lol the Democrats will do absolutely anything to delay.

They found this woman did they? How much money has exchanged hands? Some hush, hush crypto payments perhaps? So easy to do.

30 plus years ago and she comes forward now? Well, of course.

So patently transparent what is at play.

The Republicans need to get this selection over and done with and if Pence has provide the final vote so be it.

There is nothing wrong with Kavanaugh. He is 100% qualified and out of the all the likely candidate the Republicans could have picked, he is the best option from the Democrats point of view.

Get it done.

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Trump and the Republicans: maintaining the wealth and power of the US elite by any means possible, while helping their fellow .01% around the globe.

Interesting, the 01% of elites in corporate America are all liberals, so you are sayin Trump wants to keep them in power? Well, you should be happy then.

Party are the most unethical, im- (maybe a-) moral politicians the US has seen in modern times. Even worse than Nixon and Reagan.

I know you didn't say that with a straight face. From Schumer to Shiff, Harris, Booker and Kerry, Durbin, during the hearings, the witch hunt and so many other situations this year alone the Democrats and their MSM hit squad men surrogates have been staging a political Jihad on this President unlike anything we have seen since they lost the civil war and even then they were off the rails, but now....

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I wonder how many of those in support of Kavanaugh have daughters or granddaughters which they would not support if an accusation like was to come from them.

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@bass4funk

My question:

So, you think only weight of numbers equals credibility?

Your reply:

I never said that.

As you can see, I never wrote that you said anything - I asked you a simple question.

To make it easy for you, I will accept a simple YES or NO in answer to my question.

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I wonder how many of those in support of Kavanaugh have daughters or granddaughters which they would not support if an accusation like was to come from them.

I would tell my daughters and grand daughters to go to the police ASAP, not wait 30 plus years.

Its telling that a 60 plus women signed a letter vouching for Kavanaugh's integrity.

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I would tell my daughters and grand daughters to go to the police ASAP, not wait 30 plus years. 

Its telling that a 60 plus women signed a letter vouching for Kavanaugh's integrity.

There could be many reasons she didn't do it at the time. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it but the accusation needs to be taken seriously regardless of when it happened. That you wouldn't support your daughter even after 30 years is even more telling.

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matt hartwell:

I would tell my daughters and grand daughters to go to the police ASAP, not wait 30 plus years.

I'm guessing you were never molested or raped. So you know what goes on in a victim's head? Don't tell me, you're a psychiatrist.

You would tell your daughters and grand-duaghters to go to the police ASAP? And what if they didn't tell you until 30 years later? Rape victims don't like to brag that they're victims.

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lincolnmanToday  11:04 am JST

No, it's also the constitutional right of the GOP to hold hearings on the candidate of their choosing. Garland wasn't a candidate the GOP felt was conservative to be put on the bench given a few alarms they found on his voting record which doesn't align with traditional conservative values and that's why he was passed up, also Biden and Reid said, they don't have to hold any hearings on Bush nominees, so if the Dems can have that standard, so can the conservatives.

Wrong - he wasn't given a vote - if they felt he wasn't suitable, the they should have voted - if a majority had agreed, then he wouldn't have been confirmed. McConnell subverted the Constitution by not even allowing vote - and even Trump supporter Alan Derschowitz has called it shameful and a travesty...

That is exactly what the left are doing and all their endeavors and efforts won't help them to derail this candidate.

Merrick Garland...

 How would you know that? Wait, are you prematurely accusing this man without knowing the facts? if you go by that and as I have said before, most men his age would be in prison, there would be an overcrowding of prisons throughout the country.

See previous post, criminal vs non-criminal. I'm not saying he should be indicted, I just said he's a pervert who scouts high school girls...

But with the info Feinstein sat on since May, she couldn't have brought it to the attention of the of the committee back then knowing what she knew? If she were so concerned, she would have brought it to the committees attention and would have grilled him and justifiably so during the hearings, but she waits until after the hearings. This is a bunch of crock of.... you know what.....

Victims have rights, especially women victims...

Until now and right up until the voting process begins? Yeah, sure...

?????

Yes, and like the Access Hollywood Tape, Stormy Daniels, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, and now this, communicates to women everywhere what the Republican Party really thinks of them...

Oh, dear lord.

Ducked that one too I see. But you may have latched on to something.  I imagine there are more than a few evangelicals who have a problem with the way the Republican Party disrespects women.

Good job lincolnman - +1

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Really, after 35 years a registered democrat has flashbacks to an event in High School? Just now...

Really?

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Matt HartwellToday  11:21 am JST

I wonder how many of those in support of Kavanaugh have daughters or granddaughters which they would not support if an accusation like was to come from them.

I would tell my daughters and grand daughters to go to the police ASAP, not wait 30 plus years. 

But if they were too scared, or scarred by the experience, to tell you...?

Its telling that a 60 plus women signed a letter vouching for Kavanaugh's integrity.

Yes, it is...

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Haaa NemuiToday  11:26 am JST

I would tell my daughters and grand daughters to go to the police ASAP, not wait 30 plus years. 

Its telling that a 60 plus women signed a letter vouching for Kavanaugh's integrity.

There could be many reasons she didn't do it at the time. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it but the accusation needs to be taken seriously regardless of when it happened. That you wouldn't support your daughter even after 30 years is even more telling.

My thoughts exactly - +1

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Pukey2Today  11:27 am JST

matt hartwell:

I would tell my daughters and grand daughters to go to the police ASAP, not wait 30 plus years.

I'm guessing you were never molested or raped. So you know what goes on in a victim's head? Don't tell me, you're a psychiatrist.

You would tell your daughters and grand-duaghters to go to the police ASAP? And what if they didn't tell you until 30 years later? Rape victims don't like to brag that they're victims.

Well put Pukey2 - +1

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Wrong - he wasn't given a vote

Yes.

- if they felt he wasn't suitable, the they should have voted - if a majority had agreed,

But they didn't and according to their constitutional beliefs and authority, they didn't have to give him a hearing the same way as Biden and Reid didn't want to hold hearings on Bush nominees.

then he wouldn't have been confirmed. McConnell subverted the Constitution by not even allowing vote - and even Trump supporter Alan Derschowitz has called it shameful and a travesty...*

And upheld their constitutional right for wanting to not do so.

Victims have rights, especially women victims...

And equally, the woman that bring forth counter arguments, there statements should be equally respected and acknowledged.

Ducked that one too I see. But you may have latched on to something.  I imagine there are more than a few evangelicals who have a problem with the way the Republican Party disrespects women.

Funny how the left want to safeguard the rights of women, but when it comes to the rights of conservative women or hearing their rights, the left doesn't seem that interested.

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Seriously? All a woman needs to do now a days is say he or she touched me in High school and that still flies 35 years later, High school no doubt girls are just as frisky as the guys! My BS meter is pegged!

So real question where was this woman at when he was being confirmed for his current FEDERAL Position as a JUDGE?

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Haaa NemuiToday  11:16 am JST

I wonder how many of those in support of Kavanaugh have daughters or granddaughters which they would not support if an accusation like was to come from them.

That must be rhetorical question, surely.

If not, go back through the posts here and count them - you won’t even need a pencil and paper.

+1

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Due to the shame that sexual assault victims feel and the fact that we're talking about a justice for the U.S. Supreme Court, then there should be a delay to investigate this matter further.

The people should have faith in who their Supreme Court justices are.

Haste makes waste, especially in a potential sexual assault case involving such a highly respected position for the Supreme Court.

We waited for over a year before, so what's a few weeks compared to that?

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There could be many reasons she didn't do it at the time

Well unfortunately If you feel you have been raped or sexually assaulted, you need to report it.

We cannot go around guestimating somebodies guilt 30 plus years after something maybe occurred, particularly when we have no physical evidence. Its not reasonable or fair and it will make a mockery of the justice system and lead to witch hunts, which we have already seen.

That you wouldn't support your daughter even after 30 years is even more telling.

Any daughter I had would not wait 30 years to tell me because they would be raised to have the mental strength to do what is necessary and seek justice. I would also tell them I cannot make judgements about the actions of a man 30 odd years ago without strong physical evidence and she should not expect me too.

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I for one am uncomfortable with a president nominating a SCOTUS justice who might well rule on issues regarding the president. Let's make a new rule: no president under an investigation which may involve a Supreme Court ruling shall be eligible to nominate a justice.

Heck, why not. It's more logical than McConnell's rule.

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Maria:

The assumption that the person making the accusations, is lying, is an assumption kept especially for victims of sexual assault. In what other crime is the victim immediately accused of lying?

It must be terribly frustrating for genuine victims of sexual assault to have such a hard time proving the crime. So, the anger about this is understandable.

However, we the general public, cannot conclude anything about either party. Accusing him of lying is just as bad as accusing her of it. In both cases a life might be unjustly wrecked. Let the courts decide.

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Any daughter I had would not wait 30 years to tell me because they would be raised to have the mental strength to do what is necessary and seek justice. I would also tell them I cannot make judgements about the actions of a man 30 odd years ago without strong physical evidence and she should not expect me to.

Do you think the accusation is serious enough to be looked into further or not? Not making judgements about it but actually looking further into it. I do think it's too late to make it a criminal thing but definitely not too late to make a character call.

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I for one am uncomfortable with a president nominating a SCOTUS justice who might well rule on issues regarding the president.

Why?

Let's make a new rule: no president under an investigation which may involve a Supreme Court ruling shall be eligible to nominate a justice.

You will change the rule?

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Impeccable. That's the quality we're looking for in SCOTUS justices.

As with Anita Hill, when an individual has been nominated for a Supreme Court justice, there shouldn't be any doubt whatsoever about their character.

Yes, IMO, Clarence Thomas should have never even been considered for justice due to the dark cloud over his head regarding sexual harassment and the spotless reputation of Anita Hill. She also didn't come out until she was discovered through the course of investigations and interviews.

Personally speaking, Trump could have made a much worse nomination than Kavanaugh, but it's important for the public to have complete faith in the selection, nomination and confirmation proceedings of who their US Supreme Court justices are going to be.

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Gremlin.Gaijin:

Agreed, but why are you posting your comments against Maria’s instead of those made by all of the commenters attacking the woman making these accusations?

I agree that accusations of her being a liar are also wrong.

Most of this discussion is therefore pointless. Let the courts decide.

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This creates quite a conundrum for Canada's government controlled mouthpiece, the CBC. They swept sexual misconduct allegations against Trudeau under the rug by saying "it happened 18 years ago," forget it. Now they will want to go after this guy even though the allegations are even older.

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Ford had contacted the Post through a tip line in early July after it had become clear that Kavanaugh was on Trump's shortlist to fill a vacancy but before the Republican president nominated him, the newspaper said.

Victims of sexual assault should always be urged to speak up (in an ideal world, asap) regardless of who the assaulter is i.e. status, work etc. Why wait for Kavanaugh to be on Trump's shortlist then? Does that make it (i.e. the alleged crime) worse?

I completely understand that victims may not want/be able to come forward sooner but they/we shouldn't 'link' speaking up/not with offenders' new social/political/$ status. Should be all about the victim & crime, not about political character assassination (which are all too common in us politics).

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bass4funkToday  12:16 pm JST

I for one am uncomfortable with a president nominating a SCOTUS justice who might well rule on issues regarding the president. 

Why?

Instead of asking us why we feel so uncomfortable about this situation, how about you giving us some assurances that will make us feel less uncomfortable, how about it?

Let's make a new rule: no president under an investigation which may involve a Supreme Court ruling shall be eligible to nominate a justice.

You will change the rule?

Given half a chance, you betcha!

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The cynically transparent motivations of those who are prepared to destroy anyone who stands in the way of maintaining and extending their power are on full display and this is an object lesson to any American who is in doubt that their country is being assailed by these dark forces. These people will stop at nothing in pursuit of their goals, Orwellian implications be damned.

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stormcrowToday  11:49 am JST

Due to the shame that sexual assault victims feel and the fact that we're talking about a justice for the U.S. Supreme Court, then there should be a delay to investigate this matter further.

The people should have faith in who their Supreme Court justices are. 

Haste makes waste, especially in a potential sexual assault case involving such a highly respected position for the Supreme Court.

We waited for over a year before, so what's a few weeks compared to that?

Good point stormcrow - +1

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Concerned CitizenToday  12:18 pm JST

Gremlin.Gaijin:

Agreed, but why are you posting your comments against Maria’s instead of those made by all of the commenters attacking the woman making these accusations?

I agree that accusations of her being a liar are also wrong. 

Thank you.

Now, how about addressing the question I asked.

Most of this discussion is therefore pointless.

I don’t believe that A lot of people on this thread would agree with you.

Let the courts decide.

Well, let’s hope it will get that far.

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Roy Moore-lite.

Our Russsian contributors were up early ... all of ‘em!

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Wrong - he wasn't given a vote

Yes.

Yes?  I'll take that as you agree with me McConnell prevented a vote on his confirmation. 

But they didn't and according to their constitutional beliefs and authority, they didn't have to give him a hearing the same way as Biden and Reid didn't want to hold hearings on Bush nominees.

Obama was elected President and had a year left on his four year term - ne nominated Garlick and McConnell refused to provide a vote.  Disgraceful and undemocratic.

*And upheld their constitutional right for wanting to not do so

The right thing to do was offer it to a vote - if Republicans had a majority to defeat him, then case closed.  But they lacked the guts or democratic ideals to even offer a vote, and left the seat vacant for one year - and have the gall to now say its critical the seat be filled quickly?  H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.

And equally, the woman that bring forth counter arguments, there statements should be equally respected and acknowledged.

True, but they're character witnesses, not victims...

Ducked that one too I see. But you may have latched on to something.  I imagine there are more than a few evangelicals who have a problem with the way the Republican Party disrespects women.

Funny how the left want to safeguard the rights of women, but when it comes to the rights of conservative women or hearing their rights, the left doesn't seem that interested.

Duck X 2.  The subject was Access Hollywood, Stormy, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, Duncan Hunter, and what that says about Republican views on women.  What's it say Bass?

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I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar

This is relevant how? It does nothing but demonstrate the environment in which you were raised.

By these allegations, most high school boys should be on death row in that case. 

Where did you two go to high school?! Apparently, conservative high schools are full of sexual predators.

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Why is everyone wasting their breath? Conservatives have shown they'll go so far as to change the rules to steal SCOTUS seats and confirm candidates. They flyer two seats Prepare for the fallout when Democrats are back.

Repugnant conservatives have no concern for the institutions that underpin our democratic republic.

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Any man - even at age 17 - who doesn't understand the difference between seduction (fun!) and attempted rape (criminal!) needs to do some serious rethinking. 

“Attempted rape”? Before you all drag Kavanaugh out of his cell and lynch him, you’d best give him due process.

I propose a solution to this ongoing “problem”: have the FBI vet EVERY candidate and nominee for federal office. Furthermore, have the FBI investigate the background of EVERY sitting member of Congress and all federal judges. I’m sure you’ll find offenses even more horrible that the one Kavanaugh is rumored to have committed.

To ensure a fair process put Bill Clinton in charge.

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I propose a solution to this ongoing “problem”: have the FBI vet EVERY candidate and nominee for federal office

It's done.

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Ike-in-Tokyo-from-89Today  02:24 pm JST

Any man - even at age 17 - who doesn't understand the difference between seduction (fun!) and attempted rape (criminal!) needs to do some serious rethinking. 

“Attempted rape”? Before you all drag Kavanaugh out of his cell and lynch him, you’d best give him due process.

Getting ahead of yourself Ike.

We need to get him into a cell first.

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Chip StarToday  02:08 pm JST

Why is everyone wasting their breath? Conservatives have shown they'll go so far as to change the rules to steal SCOTUS seats and confirm candidates. They flyer two seats Prepare for the fallout when Democrats are back.

Repugnant conservatives have no concern for the institutions that underpin our democratic republic.

I agree with you, but would add that the repugnant conservatives have RESPECT for those institutions - +1

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lincolnmanToday  01:42 pm JST

Nice work lincolnman, but I doubt that you'll get a straight answer in response to your final question - +1

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Chip StarToday  01:46 pm JST

I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar

This is relevant how? It does nothing but demonstrate the environment in which you were raised.

By these allegations, most high school boys should be on death row in that case. 

Where did you two go to high school?! Apparently, conservative high schools are full of sexual predators.

Well said Chip - +1

BTW I think your vote + button may be frozen.

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PTownsendToday  10:49 am JST

@bas4 Dems, take it all in, it's going to happen.

Unfortunately I agree.

And after this latest political debacle the world has clear evidence that the Trump administration and his enablers in the Republican Party are the most unethical, im- (maybe a-) moral politicians the US has seen in modern times. Even worse than Nixon and Reagan.

Yes indeed PT - +1

But this shouldn't come as much of a surprise - the Dear Leader has insisted, ad nauseam, that he does everything better than anyone else.

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CORRECTION to an earlier post:

Chip StarToday  02:08 pm JST

Why is everyone wasting their breath? Conservatives have shown they'll go so far as to change the rules to steal SCOTUS seats and confirm candidates. They flyer two seats Prepare for the fallout when Democrats are back.

Repugnant conservatives have no concern for the institutions that underpin our democratic republic.

I agree with you, but would add that the repugnant conservatives have ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for those institutions - +1

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Here’s what the Kavnaugh/Trump supporters here fail to grasp. No one here is suggesting that Kavanugh be arrested, indicted, and brought to trial on this allegation, at least I’m not. This is not a criminal matter, unless the victim files a formal criminal complaint, which she has not done.. 

This is an allegation of sexual assault that is being reviewed and assessed as part of his confirmation process to the Supreme Court. It’s a valid line of inquiry, as it goes to his judgment and respect for women. You may believe him that the allegation is untrue, similar to Trump’s claim that the 20 women who have made allegations against him of sexual harassment and assault are untruthful. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list

Unless other supporting evidence is uncovered, it will likely boil down to a “he said, she said” situation – then, it’s who do you believe has more credibility.

But as someone who will likely decide on Roe vs Wade, this allegation of improper conduct toward a woman should be taken seriously and given the appropriate review, no matter how long it takes.

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Pukey2Today  10:11 am JST

burning bush:

I think 90% of the boys in my high school were guilty of something similar

90% of the boys in your school tried to rape a girl? Jesus, I'm sure glad I didn't go to your school. That is sick.

kurispu:

When I was a young teenager,groping and being groped was part of growing up.

I'd say this was more than groping.

What is it with Trump's swamp creatures. Paedophiles, molesters, philanderers, racists, misogynists, liars.

Yeah Pukey, that list is a good start to describing some of them, but by no means is it exhaustive - +1

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Gremlin.Gaijin:

Now, how about addressing the question I asked.

What do you mean? I thought I did address your question by agreeing that accusation of her lying are also wrong. It's there where everyone can read.

But perhaps I misunderstood you?

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Trump will never learn that you sleep in the bed you made - he never has, simply skipping town to other financers - but some things in Washington can't be evaded. For example, kavanaugh must pass a Judicial Committee review to proceed to a full vote; the council numbers 11 GOP to 10 Dem. And one member is Jeff Flake (R, former McCain state), who is retiring, and that there is no love lost between the two is an understatement.

And he is saying, "Whoa!" Which is exactly against the GOP plans. Kavanaugh might never even make it out of committee. This is because Trump is a jerk who makes enemies freely and why the general GOP will be turning against him soon - his stupidity is counterproductive to their cause.

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LagunaToday  03:44 pm JST

Trump will never learn that you sleep in the bed you made - he never has, simply skipping town to other financers - but some things in Washington can't be evaded. For example, kavanaugh must pass a Judicial Committee review to proceed to a full vote; the council numbers 11 GOP to 10 Dem. And one member is Jeff Flake (R, former McCain state), who is retiring, and that there is no love lost between the two is an understatement.

And he is saying, "Whoa!" Which is exactly against the GOP plans. Kavanaugh might never even make it out of committee. This is because Trump is a jerk who makes enemies freely and why the general GOP will be turning against him soon - his stupidity is counterproductive to their cause.

Excellent points Laguna - +1

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"But as someone who will likely decide on Roe vs Wade, this allegation of improper conduct toward a woman should be taken seriously and given the appropriate review, no matter how long it takes."

Good grief, putting aside the fact that this woman didn't make this allegation against Kavanaugh for 36 years, until just before he is to be confirmed as a Supreme Court justice, making it doubtful she is telling the truth, even if he did what she said she did, he was 17 years old, a minor. The guy is 53 now and eminently qualified for the job. He said he didn't do what she claims. I'll take his word over hers.

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Yes? I'll take that as you agree with me McConnell prevented a vote on his confirmation. 

Which has nothing to do with going with a nominee.

The right thing to do was offer it to a vote -

I know, but they didn’t want to go with this nominee, so why waste his time in their time?

if Republicans had a majority to defeat him, then case closed. But they lacked the guts or democratic ideals to even offer a vote, and left the seat vacant for one year - and have the gall to now say its critical the seat be filled quickly? H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.

Yes, well they Half the constitutional right to not proceed with the vote if they do not choose, they would rather prefer a true and strong conservative that leaves their values and they have every right to do that.

Duck X 2. The subject was Access Hollywood, Stormy, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, Duncan Hunter, and what that says about Republican views on women. What's it say Bass?

I don’t know, that is a one sided opinion, because we could see everything about people like Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey and so many other liberals that have shown disrespect towards women.

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lincolnmanToday  03:29 pm JST

Here’s what the Kavnaugh/Trump supporters here fail to grasp. No one here is suggesting that Kavanugh be arrested, indicted, and brought to trial on this allegation, at least I’m not. This is not a criminal matter, unless the victim files a formal criminal complaint, which she has not done.. 

This is an allegation of sexual assault that is being reviewed and assessed as part of his confirmation process to the Supreme Court. It’s a valid line of inquiry, as it goes to his judgment and respect for women. You may believe him that the allegation is untrue, similar to Trump’s claim that the 20 women who have made allegations against him of sexual harassment and assault are untruthful. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list

Unless other supporting evidence is uncovered, it will likely boil down to a “he said, she said” situation – then, it’s who do you believe has more credibility.

But as someone who will likely decide on Roe vs Wade, this allegation of improper conduct toward a woman should be taken seriously and given the appropriate review, no matter how long it takes.

Once again, excellent analysis lincolnman - +1

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Where did you two go to high school?! Apparently, conservative high schools are full of sexual predators.

No, I went to a private high school so I wouldn’t know anything about that. I was making an example.

Here’s what the Kavnaugh/Trump supporters here fail to grasp. No one here is suggesting that Kavanugh be arrested, indicted, and brought to trial on this allegation, at least I’m not. This is not a criminal matter, unless the victim files a formal criminal complaint, which she has not done.. 

Because she know she would have an uphill battle, even the FBI didn’t want to take the case that tells you something right there that this whole thing smells fishy.

This is an allegation of sexual assault that is being reviewed and assessed as part of his confirmation process to the Supreme Court. 

Possible and allegedly. Something that took place at is high school where 17 do have the tendency to be wild.

It’s a valid line of inquiry,

So then why sit on it at this stage why not before the hearings why not in June when Diane Feinstein got this information? Look, I know the leftist trying to spin, trying to stall and trying to do whatever they can to usurp the process but it’s not going to help.

as it goes to his judgment and respect for women. 

You don’t know that, give me a break. The man has over 65 statements from other women that he personally knows that had given a counter argument to that, so if we go by that then I will believe these women over this one woman’s allegations easily.

You may believe him that the allegation is untrue, similar to Trump’s claim that the 20 women who have made allegations against him of sexual harassment and assault are untruthful. 

Yup.

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The GOP hate nothing worse than when the Dems play by the GOP rule book.

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No, I went to a private high school so I wouldn’t know anything about that. I was making an example.

Private high schools have sexual predators.

You claimed that your friends in high school sexually assaulted women not becausebitbwas true, but to make a point?

Because she know she would have an uphill battle, even the FBI didn’t want to take the case that tells you something right there that this whole thing smells fishy.

The FBI is corrupt, correct?

Possible and allegedly. Something that took place at is high school where 17 do have the tendency to be wild

Being 17 and "wild" does not excuse the crime of sexual assault. Funny how Trump supporters constantly make excuses for crimes.

You don’t know that, give me a break. The man has over 65 statements from other women that he personally knows that had given a counter argument to that, so if we go by that then I will believe these women over this one woman’s allegations easily

This is not how credibility is determined.

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The GOP hate nothing worse than when the Dems play by the GOP rule book

Hmmmm....can’t seem to recall when conservatives tried to derail a Democrat nominee....oh, they didn’t because if if they did the Democrats would have done everything to crush them and rightfully so.

Trump will never learn that you sleep in the bed you made - he never has, simply skipping town to other financers - but some things in Washington can't be evaded.

The left knows a thing or two....or three about that. Lol

For example, kavanaugh must pass a Judicial Committee review to proceed to a full vote; the council numbers 11 GOP to 10 Dem. And one member is Jeff Flake (R, former McCain state), who is retiring, and that there is no love lost between the two is an understatement. 

Yes, thank God.

And he is saying, "Whoa!" Which is exactly against the GOP plans. Kavanaugh might never even make it out of committee.

He will as sneaky and as low as the Dems have gotten, he’ll make it through.

This is because Trump is a jerk who makes enemies freely and why the general GOP will be turning against him soon - his stupidity is counterproductive to their cause.

Ask if the GOP or the neocons love Trump from the beginning, what you’re saying is there anything new, he’s more of a populist president and not a true Republican in the sense of the word and yes, he should be a jerk considering what he has to deal with both parties acting like idiots, he has every right to act and be like a jerk, I don’t blame him one bit! Ask if the GOP or the neocons love Trump from the beginning, what you’re saying is not anything new, he’s more of a populist president and not a true Republican in the sense of the word and yes, he should be a jerk considering what he has to deal with both parties acting like idiots, he has every right to act and be like a jerk, I don’t blame him one bit!

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Which has nothing to do with going with a nominee.

?????

The right thing to do was offer it to a vote -

I know, but they didn’t want to go with this nominee, so why waste his time in their time?

Come on - McConnell held it because he was likely to be confirmed - there were more than enough Republican senators that would have voted for him. McConnell took the coward's way out and wouldn't even allow a vote. Disgraceful. 

Yes, well they Half the constitutional right to not proceed with the vote if they do not choose, they would rather prefer a true and strong conservative that leaves their values and they have every right to do that.

Duck X 3 - they left it open for a year and are now say it has to be voted on quickly. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y..

Duck X 2. The subject was Access Hollywood, Stormy, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, Duncan Hunter, and what that says about Republican views on women. What's it say Bass?

I don’t know, that is a one sided opinion, because we could see everything about people like Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey and so many other liberals that have shown disrespect towards women.

Duck X 4 - "what about".... I asked about Stormy, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, Duncan Hunter, and what that says about Republican views on women. If you can't answer that, just say so...

Because she know she would have an uphill battle, even the FBI didn’t want to take the case that tells you something right there that this whole thing smells fishy.

Re-read the post - this is not a criminal matter.

Possible and allegedly. Something that took place at is high school where 17 do have the tendency to be wild.

Uh, yea, that's what "allegation" means..

It’s a valid line of inquiry,

So then why sit on it at this stage why not before the hearings why not in June when Diane Feinstein got this information? Look, I know the leftist trying to spin, trying to stall and trying to do whatever they can to usurp the process but it’s not going to help.

Once more, victim's rights....

as it goes to his judgment and respect for women. 

You don’t know that, give me a break. The man has over 65 statements from other women that he personally knows that had given a counter argument to that, so if we go by that then I will believe these women over this one woman’s allegations easily.

I don't know that a sexual assault allegation shows someone's judgment and respect for women? That could only come from a Trumpster...(who has 20 sexual assault allegations and counting...)

You may believe him that the allegation is untrue, similar to Trump’s claim that the 20 women who have made allegations against him of sexual harassment and assault are untruthful. 

Yup.

Wow, is that a surprise....

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Ask if the GOP or the neocons love Trump from the beginning, what you’re saying is there anything new, he’s more of a populist president and not a true Republican in the sense of the word and yes, he should be a jerk considering what he has to deal with both parties acting like idiots, he has every right to act and be like a jerk, I don’t blame him one bit! Ask if the GOP or the neocons love Trump from the beginning, what you’re saying is not anything new, he’s more of a populist president and not a true Republican in the sense of the word and yes, he should be a jerk considering what he has to deal with both parties acting like idiots, he has every right to act and be like a jerk, I don’t blame him one bit!

That's four "Trump acts like a jerk" in one paragraph - I couldn't agree more...

Throw in race-baiter, errant, adversarial, petty, a Fifth Grader, and a danger to the Republic and I'll give you a thumbs up...

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Hmmmm....can’t seem to recall when conservatives tried to derail a Democrat nominee....oh, they didn’t because if if they did the Democrats would have done everything to crush them and rightfully so

Garland.

The left knows a thing or two....or three about that. Lol

The right would know a thing or three about Trump being a con if they were literate.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-grassley-scrambles-hold-calls-224931974.html

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Come on - McConnell held it because he was likely to be confirmed - there were more than enough Republican senators that would have voted for him. 

Actually that is not true, the majority of Republicans that at the very least were concerned about his voting record on issues that are extremely important to conservatives, they felt he was too much of a gamble and passed him up. I understand and if liberals think McConnell snubbed Garland, he probably did....oh, well...

- "what about".... I asked about Stormy, Playboy Bunnies, Rob Porter, Roy Moore, Duncan Hunter, and what that says about Republican views on women. If you can't answer that, just say so...

I did give me an answer and the answer is I don’t think so, I don’t think that the GOP have any less promise with women in the Democrats do. But if you want to go down that road and take a body count than the Liberals come way ahead of having questionable views towards women.

Once more, victim's rights....

Feinstein didn’t have to sit on all of the information for a month right up until the voting procedure starts of this nominee, how stupid do liberals think everyone is? This is even a new low for Democrats, petty and pathetic!

I don't know that a sexual assault allegation shows someone's judgment and respect for women? That could only come from a Trumpster...(who has 20 sexual assault allegations and counting...)

And as you said, these are allegations and nothing more, more Trumpsters understand there is a process and unlike liberals want to hear the facts and not jump into anything without seeing the bottom first.

That's four "Trump acts like a jerk" in one paragraph - I couldn't agree more...

As he should.

Throw in race-baiter, errant, adversarial, petty, a Fifth Grader, and a danger to the Republic and I'll give you a thumbs up...

No, I’ll leave that to the liberals, they seem to be doing that part just fine with it.

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Actually that is not true, the majority of Republicans that at the very least were concerned about his voting record on issues that are extremely important to conservatives, they felt he was too much of a gamble and passed him up

If this were true, they should have put it to a vote and not confirmed Garland. Instead, true to form, the republicans decided to sneak around actually doing their job.

But if you want to go down that road and take a body count than the Liberals come way ahead of having questionable views towards women.

It wasn't a liberal on tape talking about grabbing women by their genitals. You're going to need to give us some examples if you expect us to believe you.

Feinstein didn’t have to sit on all of the information for a month right up until the voting procedure starts of this nominee, how stupid do liberals think everyone is? This is even a new low for Democrats, petty and pathetic!

You should do a little research on victim's rights before posting something that makes you look as stupid as you are accusing liberals of being.

And as you said, these are allegations and nothing more, more Trumpsters understand there is a process and unlike liberals want to hear the facts and not jump into anything without seeing the bottom first.

Hahahahahaha! Is that why you guys keep disparaging Mueller and callingvfor him to wrap up how investigstion BEFORE you hear the facts of see the bottom? You write your own material? It's hilarious!

No, I’ll leave that to the liberals, they seem to be doing that part just fine with it.

Yes, we are doing just fine pointing out the facts that Trump is a race baiter, etc. Conservatives are too intellectually dishonest to admit it. ROFL.

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Actually that is not true, the majority of Republicans that at the very least were concerned about his voting record on issues that are extremely important to conservatives, they felt he was too much of a gamble and passed him up. I understand and if liberals think McConnell snubbed Garland, he probably did....oh, well...

Actually it is true. "Widely regarded as a moderate, Garland had been praised in the past by many Republicans, including influential senators such as Orrin Hatch of Utah."

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/29/624467256/what-happened-with-merrick-garland-in-2016-and-why-it-matters-now

I did give me an answer and the answer is I don’t think so, I don’t think that the GOP have any less promise with women in the Democrats do. But if you want to go down that road and take a body count than the Liberals come way ahead of having questionable views towards women.

That's just laughable...Republicans, irrespective of their Great Orange Adulterer's record of indecency, want to take away a women's right to choose. Yea, they love you guys...

Feinstein didn’t have to sit on all of the information for a month right up until the voting procedure starts of this nominee, how stupid do liberals think everyone is? This is even a new low for Democrats, petty and pathetic!

Victim's rights - and we actually think you're pretty stupid...

And as you said, these are allegations and nothing more, more Trumpsters understand there is a process and unlike liberals want to hear the facts and not jump into anything without seeing the bottom first.

Access Hollywood tape....

That's four "Trump acts like a jerk" in one paragraph - I couldn't agree more...

As he should.

As he is...

Throw in race-baiter, errant, adversarial, petty, a Fifth Grader, and a danger to the Republic and I'll give you a thumbs up...

No, I’ll leave that to the liberals, they seem to be doing that part just fine with it

Yea, all those Liberals Trump picked for his senior team - like John "he's an idiot" Kelly, Jim "he's has the understanding of a Fifth Grader" Mattis, and we can't leave out Jeff "he's a danger to the Republic" Sessions. What a bunch of Liberals...

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If this were true, they should have put it to a vote and not confirmed Garland. Instead, true to form, the republicans decided to sneak around actually doing their job.

Considering what Feinsten just did, the Democrats have a lot of Gaul to call conservatives sneaky. If I have to choose a woman who said Kavanaugh groped her “allegedly” or 65 women that went to school with him and independently wrote letters of recommendations to the judicial committee, guess who I’m believing?

You're going to need to give us some examples if you expect us to believe you.

I did and I’m not expecting anything...really.

You should do a little research on victim's rights before posting something that makes you look as stupid as you are accusing liberals of being.

You guys should equally research the rights of the accused. Try it, please.

Yes, we are doing just fine pointing out the facts that Trump is a race baiter, etc. Conservatives are too intellectually dishonest to admit it. ROFL

As are Democrats.

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Actually it is true. "Widely regarded as a moderate, Garland had been praised in the past by many Republicans, including influential senators such as Orrin Hatch of Utah."

But the majority didn’t think he was conservative enough

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/articles/2016-03-16/republicans-are-right-not-to-take-up-obamas-nomination-of-merrick-garland

Anyway, it all doesn’t matter, Kavanagh will be confirmed, you guys need to get used to that.

That's just laughable...Republicans, irrespective of their Great Orange Adulterer's record of indecency, want to take away a women's right to choose. Yea, they love you guys...

But if you don’t want to bake a cake for someone because your moral and beliefs are different from the people that want to buy your cake, you HAVE to be bullied and threatened to do that? Please don’t tell me liberals respect the lives of people, they do as long as they follow their way, or when they accuse someone of a crime and not even allowing the accused to have their say, if you speak out you are considered a racist or whatever euphemism fits that day.

As he is...

Thank God.

Yea, all those Liberals Trump picked for his senior team

I wasn’t talking about his senior team, I was talking about the dysfunctional Democrat party and the loose canons they have in their midsts.

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Considering what Feinsten just did, the Democrats have a lot of Gaul to call conservatives sneaky. If I have to choose a woman who said Kavanaugh groped her “allegedly” or 65 women that went to school with him and independently wrote letters of recommendations to the judicial committee, guess who I’m believing?

This has zero to do with repugnant republicans sneaking around failing to hold a confirmation. Vote on Garland. Nice attemp at obfuscating.

I did and I’m not expecting anything...really

No, you didn't. Stay focused for half a second. Keep up.

You guys should equally research the rights of the accused. Try it, please.

We know the rights of the accused and the victims. Try again. Thanks for playing.

Yes, we are doing just fine pointing out the facts that Trump is a race baiter, etc. Conservatives are too intellectually dishonest to admit it. ROFL

As are Democrats.

Again, yes, Democrats are doing just fine pointing out that Trump is a mysogynistic, racist man baby. Again, because conservatives don't have the mental capacity to recognize it. Lol! Smh.

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But the majority didn’t think he was conservative enought

Didn't need to be a majority, just a few to join the Democrats - but McConnell didn't have the courage to allow a vote - coward...

Anyway, it all doesn’t matter, Kavanagh will be confirmed, you guys need to get used to that.

Disregarding a victim's sexual assault allegation - par for the course for Trumpsters....(20 and counting...)

But if you don’t want to bake a cake for someone because your moral and beliefs are different from the people that want to buy your cake, you HAVE to be bullied and threatened to do that? Please don’t tell me liberals respect the lives of people, they do as long as they follow their way, or when they accuse someone of a crime and not even allowing the accused to have their say, if you speak out you are considered a racist or whatever euphemism fits that day.

Dodge - we're talking about women's right to control their bodies - sure, they love Republicans for taking that right away...

As he is...

Thank God.

Bass just called Trump a jerk (x4) - then said "Thank God" - I think we have to re-name him Bass "Trump is a Jerk" 4Funk...

Yea, all those Liberals Trump picked for his senior team

I wasn’t talking about his senior team, I was talking about the dysfunctional Democrat party and the loose canons they have in their midsts

I'm sure I'll have to repeat this another six times, but "errant, adversarial, petty, understands at the Fifth Grade Level, and is a danger to the Republic" are all attributable to Trump's hand-picked Republican team...you know, all those in "Crazytown"...

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We know the rights of the accused

If you do, then don’t prejudge the nominee.

Again, yes, Democrats are doing just fine pointing out that Trump is a mysogynistic, racist man baby. Again, because conservatives don't have the mental capacity to recognize it. Lol! Smh.

As well as not their own, sad.

Didn't need to be a majority, just a few to join the Democrats - but McConnell didn't have the courage to allow a vote - coward...

But he did get Gorsuch and soon Kavanaugh, so if he’s a coward, he’s the greatest coward!

Dodge - we're talking about women's right to control their bodies - sure, they love Republicans for taking that right away...

How do men always get in these arguments speaking on behalf of women and their reproductive rights. I could never get that....

I'm sure I'll have to repeat this another six times, but "errant, adversarial, petty, understands at the Fifth Grade Level, and is a danger to the Republic" are all attributable to Trump's hand-picked Republican team...you know, all those in "Crazytown"...

After 63 and counting accomplishments (and soon added one more with Kavanaugh) and the way the economy is going and the GDP through the roof, I’m loving the danger. Good for my pocket.

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Considering what Feinsten just did, the Democrats have a lot of Gaul to call conservatives sneaky.

Nope, you guys started it. Considering what you did with Garland, Feinstein needs to be as sneaky as she can, indeed the entire Democratic party needs to be as sneaky as they can, to show Republicans that if you are going to live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Man you guys whine a lot about lying in that bed you went and done made yourselves.

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Nope, you guys started it. Considering what you did with Garland, Feinstein needs to be as sneaky as she can,

And it won’t help one bit to derail the process.

indeed the entire Democratic party needs to be as sneaky as they can, to show Republicans that if you are going to live by the sword, you die by the sword.

And the GOP thankfully is playing their own beat as well.

Man you guys whine a lot about lying in that bed you went and done made yourselves.

No, because I’m fine with Kavanaugh sitting on the bench and even a slim sneak attack from Feinstein ain’t going to work. Again, the Dems and liberals across America need to sit back and take it all in the inevitable will happen, they’re dusting off the seat and getting his name plate ready.

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So let’s just justify trying to ruin a man’s life with likely false allegations cause we are butthurt cause Obama couldnt get his pick a vote.

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You do know if Kavanaugh gets screwed on this nonsense we just pick another one, right? There are many who are much more conservative then Kavanaugh.

Then once Kavanaugh is cleared he takes the next one. Elections have consequences.

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But he did get Gorsuch and soon Kavanaugh, so if he’s a coward, he’s the greatest coward!

He certainly is - a despicable, unAmerican, coward. Let's see, you and I agree Trump is a jerk and McConnell is a coward - we're making progress...

How do men always get in these arguments speaking on behalf of women and their reproductive rights. I could never get that....

We understand - conservatives will never get that...

I'm sure I'll have to repeat this another six times, but "errant, adversarial, petty, understands at the Fifth Grade Level, and is a danger to the Republic" are all attributable to Trump's hand-picked Republican team...you know, all those in "Crazytown"...

After 63 and counting accomplishments (and soon added one more with Kavanaugh) and the way the economy is going and the GDP through the roof, I’m loving the danger. Good for my pocket.

And we add one more - you agree that he is a danger to the Republic but don't mind as long as it is good for your pocket...

Let's sum up - you think McConnell is a coward, Trump's a jerk, and also a danger to the republic. You're really waking up Bass...

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Obama couldnt get his pick a vote

Yeah. Kinda funny how that worked out. Repubs killed Obama's Garland nomination and then went nuclear on the Gorsuch. The GOP has blown up whatever rules there were, and there is zero sympathy to what happens with Kavanaugh - and even less now. Considering recent history, I would challenge any GOPer on this site to say that the Dems are not playing fair as determined by the rules Repubs have set.

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Let me get this straight - ( assuming Ford is not lying )

A 17 year old boy made a sexual advance at a girl at a party!? And he was unsuccessful? Omg! And he didn't rape her, and it wasnt classified as a sexual assault? You mean it was a regular old strikeout? Omg better burn him at the stake 36 years later. ...

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Woman accusing Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct comes forward - Headline

Cry me a river. If this was assault, she certainly had half a century to file a complaint. I suspect she is being paid to do this. Why does she need a lawyer and who is paying for this lawyer? She should be held to testify under oath and if that happens will undoubtedly take the fifth. All except the obstructionist Democrats and Never-Trumps see through the farce and charade.

The only "witness" of this manufactured charge, Mark Judge, named as the third person in the room, states the allegations were "absolutely nuts". Their peers in high school denounce the allegations in support of the judge.

Judge Brett Kavanaugh will be Supreme Court Associate Justice Kavanaugh, one of the brightest legal stars of our era, as scheduled and without delay.

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Black: allegations from a registered Democrat 

What does her party affiliation have to do with it? Is a Democrat less believable? More likely to ”lie for the team”?

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