Judge in Trump fraud trial imposes gag order after Trump lashes out at clerk

It would be much more effective to make this a physical gag order.

bass4funk

It would be much more effective to make this a physical gag order.

Funny, I remember a time where liberals championed free speech over everything else, times have changed.

Threats and intimidation aren't free speech. Witness intimidation isn't free speech.

Funny, I remember a time where liberals championed free speech over everything else, times have changed.

Have you never heard of a ‘gag order’ before? It’s a legal term based on long established law, and totally in keeping with the first amendment.

You must know all about the first amendment by now, you’ve been given details here time and time again.

Trump's lawyer Christopher Kise told the court on Monday that his client's valuations were actually too low, and were based on business acumen that let Trump build "one of the most successful real estate empires in the world."

Which was a waste of time because the judge has already determined that Trump has committed fraud. This trial is just to determine the damages.

—stiffing his blue collar contractors etc etc.

Well, he’s right.

Stiffing contractors is so right.

"Her numbers are fraudulent," Trump said. "She's a fraud."

Tell it to the judge.

Trump knows he’s legally screwed. So he thinks the only way to win is in the court of public opinion.

Good luck with that, lol

What's sad is that now that this lady has been outed she'll get the usual racist death threats. It's a big part of the MAGA world.

after the former U.S. president used social media to lash out against the judge's top law clerk.

Great example of the Trump ethos, unwise elder energy of punching down: lashing out at law clerks, stiffing his blue collar contractors etc etc.

That anyone believes Trump is opposing an 'elite' and championing the working man has some serious cognitive deficiencies.

Trump is losing it.

Does anyone think Trump is gagged? He'll be talking his talk regardless. The only way to gag him is to use a real gag.

plasticmonkey

Trump knows he’s legally screwed. So he thinks the only way to win is in the court of public opinion.

Unfortunately, the court of public opinion won't stop the real court from imposing hefty fines and dissolving his businesses in New York.

Funny, I remember a time where liberals championed free speech over everything else, times have changed.

Publicly disparaging officers of the court has never been politically protected free speech. If anyone but Donald Trump did that they would be jailed for contempt of court. I have known attorneys jailed for contempt for saying less offensive things about a court during a trial.

She didn’t look to happy yesterday after the judge had to throw out the majority of her fake charges. Haha

That didn’t happen. Which news channel are you watching?

This is so much easier because it isn't a jury trial, thanks to the incompetence of Trump's lawyers.

Trump referred to the clerk as "Schumer's girlfriend."

Trump is such a putz.

She didn’t look to happy yesterday after the judge had to throw out the majority of her fake charges. Haha

The judge has already directly debunked this assertion. The most basic fact checking would have told you this.

Funny, not one bank filed a complaint.

The law says nothing about lenders or insurance companies having to file a complaint. The law requires official documents to be truthful. Period, full stop.

The banks in fact were somewhat complicit. They package those loans into securities they then sell. They wash their hands of any risk of default and make money off the sale of the securities. Subsequent purchasers of those securities bear the risk.

How can she even be involved with all the videos of her bragging about going after Trump before she was elected.

Videos bragging before being elected? Nah, she was just using locker room talk.

The bully in the school yard.

@bass: Funny, I remember a time where liberals championed free speech over everything else, times have changed.

Once again someone has an idea of what "free speech" ithat differs greatly from what the laws say it is But then the extremists in the far right, their politicians and their media, aiming their messages at the millions of poorly educated US Americans have made greater morons of many born dim bulbs.

a woman that campaigned on the promise of elected to try and take out Trump.

Yeah, who ever would campaign on a promise of locking someone up? How disgraceful, right?

I want to expand a little more on the above. The banks are in effect selling a security for a loan notionally backed by collateral that is not as valuable as stated in the loan documents. They too are engaging to a degree in fraud, much like the liars loans that were packaged into the now infamous mortgage backed securities of the 2008 Great Recession.

Calling Democrats "Marxists" doesn't help. I'm a Socialist, old Labour Party in Britain. The Dems are not left-wing enough. Calling them Marxists is an insult to true left-wingers.

Attacking the people around the actual person he hates the most. Real manly guy here!

Trump is and always has been a bully, and finally he is getting his comeuppance!

bass4funk

To a large extent. Remember, it’s a civil case.

Yesterday you claimed it wasn't a civil case.

When that’s pretty much your only mission to getting into politics, yes.

Maybe she wants to drain the swamp.

He doesn’t think he’s screwed, that’s why he pushed for cameras in the courtroom, that helps him. Brilliant move.

You mean Trump won’t lose the case and his business in New York because there are cameras in the courtroom?

bass4funkToday  07:44 am JST

it’s who she is as a political opportunist, a woman that campaigned on the promise of elected to try and take out Trump

It got her elected, didn't it? Isn't that kind of like representing constituents? I thought you were all into that kind of thing.

bass4funkToday  08:03 am JST

It got her elected, didn't it? Isn't that kind of like representing constituents?

You mean, getting elected out of political hatred,...

No, I mean people voted for it.

a woman that campaigned on the promise of elected to try and take out Trump.

You do understand the Trump is campaigning on going after his rivals using the DOJ, right?

Every DA runs on a platform of putting criminal in jail. Nobody whines if a DA says they are going to put this or that gang out of business, or prosecute corrupt politicians or polluting businesses. That is protected political speech. Subsequently prosecuting those parties doesn't indicate bias for most but is seen as the DA keeping their promise to the voters. But say you are going to prosecute Donald Trump and oh lordy you poke the rhetorical hornets nest and are called all kinds of things, never mind what a provable crook he is.

It's chilling that Trump released her name, including middle initial. He wants her to be found.

Threatening the court is never a good idea. I would expect nothing less from this man with a record of mistake after mistake for 40 years.

The Dems did the same thing when they outed conservative Supreme Court Justices, .

What a comparison. "Outing" a supreme court justice. You really should find a better example.

Bass: do you think these people will go after roughly 50,000 other businessmen that have allegedly done similar things

What's your alternative? Allowing anyone to lie on financial forms? No thanks. Go ahead and do that yourself and let us know how that works out for ya.

Engoron spoke after Trump shared a social media post of the clerk, who was identified by name, posing with Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer of New York, who is not involved in the case. Trump referred to the clerk as "Schumer's girlfriend."

DAMN, what a sassybrat! Has he even matured beyond the 5th grade? Didn't he ever get told that gossipy talk and rumors and teasing is grossly immature? And downright uncouth?

Trump wore his familiar blue suit, red tie and American flag pin.

He IS NOT worthy to wear that US flag pin on his lapel. He's a traitor, a sputnik sellout to Putin. Therefore, he is not an American.

bass4funk

You mean Trump won’t lose the case and his business in New York because there are cameras in the courtroom?

To a large extent. Remember, it’s a civil case.

Remember, they are only working out the penalty here. The judge has already confirmed that Trump committed fraud.

Trump almost certainly loses his businesses in New York.

Remember, they are only working out the penalty here. The judge has already confirmed that Trump committed fraud.

There is more to this trial. Remaining charges to be tried include falsification of official records, tax fraud and insurance fraud.

You do understand the Trump is campaigning on going after his rivals using the DOJ, right?

And he wants the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff executed for calling his Chinese counterpart to assure them that the US wasn't about to launch a nuclear attack on China, something the Chinese were genuinely worried about at the time.

people can see what a farce this thing is.

A fringe minority think it’s a farce.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter what you or your kind think about the case. The judge will decide. That’s the law, and Trump and his MAGA cultists will just have to suck it up.

BTW, why didn’t Trump’s crack legal team turn in the paperwork to request a jury trial? Are they playing 4D chess?

Don the GOB is gagged.

—She already has the big judgement. Better than trying, she's succeeding.

I’m not so sure about that one.

You’re confusing judicial outcomes with MAGA public opinion. Or perhaps you didn’t think before posting.

Defending yourself is considered hateful now? What? Huh?

Read the story. He’s attacking a clerk. That’s not “defending himself”.

When will the Marxist dems realize

Tell us more!

Wonder if they’ll go after the other 50,000 business leaders that have done the same thing as Trump and took out billions in loans

If there were truly a Marxist Dem deep state that would do this and enact wealth distribution it would be glorious!

Of course the Marxist far left deep state of MAGA is a fantasy.

What seems to motivate a degree of Donald Trump's ire in this particular matter is being exposed as not having as much wealth as he has publicly claimed. He is not as far up the Forbes list as he long claimed.

Wonder if they’ll go after the other 50,000 business leaders that have done the same thing as Trump and took out billions in loans

It is a daily occurrence. Read the news. DAs prosecute firms for fraud as a matter of routine. Here are some examples on a Federal level and for New York State.

https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/safety-resources/scams-and-safety/common-scams-and-crimes/business-and-investment-fraud

https://www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-felony-prosecutions-for-falsifying-business-records/

—You mean Trump won’t lose the case and his business in New York because there are cameras in the courtroom?

To a large extent. Remember, it’s a civil case

FYI, a civil case doesn’t mean it’s decided by a TV audience.

More of the "Art of Losing"...

First insult the judge that you picked to determine your case...

Then make elementary school taunts against the clerk...

Continue to whine, whimper, and cry like a baby about a "witch-hunt"....

Then pay your lawyers millions grifted from your flock when you lose...

That sure is working out real well for him....just ask E. Jean Carroll....

Yeah, the grinning judge, ok…

Isn’t grinning covered by the 1st Amendment?

Democrats??

I already answered that. Scroll up.

If it was anybody else, they would’ve been locked by now.

Maybe Trump is above the law.

bass4funk

Threats and intimidation aren't free speech. Witness intimidation isn't free speech.

No one was threatened and while we are talking about threats

They absolutely were threatened. When Trump posts disparaging things about an innocent clerk, his base of rabid supporters will go after that person. Despicable bully behaviour.

Bass: The Dems did the same thing when they outed conservative Supreme Court Justices

Yes, they outed 9 of the most famous people in America.

They absolutely were threatened. When Trump posts disparaging things about an innocent clerk, his base of rabid supporters will go after that person. Despicable bully behaviour.

Just like the vote counters in Georgia.

Calling Democrats "Marxists" doesn't help. I'm a Socialist, old Labour Party in Britain. The Dems are not left-wing enough. Calling them Marxists is an insult to true left-wingers.

The idiots calling members of the Democratic Party "Marxists" probably never read the Communist Manifesto to know what Marxism is. There is nothing even a teeny little bit Marxist in the Democratic Party. Nothing. They are not even socialist. Read the Communist Manifesto sometime. It is shorter than the instruction book that comes with most cars and easier to read. It's a load of hooey but at least read it so you can make informed comments and not look stupid.

Bass: desperately trying to nail on another frivolous case.

She already has the big judgement. Better then trying, she's succeeding.

Trump doing what he does best - incriminating himself....

Donald Trump kicked off the second day of his fraud trial in New York on Tuesday by essentially admitting to the crimes.

New York Attorney General Letitia James sued Trump in September 2022 for fraud, accusing him and his associates of gaining more than $100 million by fraudulently inflating the value of their real estate assets. State Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron issued a partial summary judgment last week, ruling that Trump committed business fraud and ordering all his New York business certificates to be canceled, a move that could effectively kill the Trump Organization as it exists today. The trial, which began Monday, is to determine how much Trump and his co-defendants owe in damages.

Trump insisted Tuesday that his organization’s financial documents were not the least bit fraudulent—but even if they were, he couldn’t be held responsible because it was up to the lenders and insurers to fact-check that.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/blabbering-donald-trump-essentially-admits-184253566.html

So Trump is saying that even if you lie, cheat, and fraudulently inflate your assets, it's not your fault - even if you sign at the bottom certifying that it's all true...

Try that next time you need a loan - tell the bank on your application that your house is worth $4 million not the $250K it's actually worth...

See if they don't sue you for fraud...

Better get the credit cards out MAGA-friends - Trump will soon "need your support" - as in your money to pay off his judgment and lawyers...

TaiwanIsNotChinaToday  06:49 am JST

It would be much more effective to make this a physical gag order.

Yes. He just *can't ***shut up. He **doesn't know how to shut up. Everytime he opens his yap, self-praising narcisstic hateful violent bullying crap comes out. He needs to be placed in prison, solitary confinement. No access to communication to the outside. He can scream and beat the walls and throw tantrums all he wants. That's the ONLY way to deal with this evil loudmouth cretin.

> Gene HennighToday  06:57 am JST

Does anyone think Trump is gagged? He'll be talking his talk regardless. The only way to gag him is to use a real gag.

And bring into the courtroom this way, cuffs on his hands. Then he can just nod his head 'yes' or shake it 'no' to the judge's questions. He doesn't know how to behave himself otherwise.

the people that are out to get him. Like the grinning woman

Another infantile comment.

If you have a problem with the charges, so be it. Just stop already with the absurd “the Dems are all out to get him” conspiracy theory.

how millions of us feel about the Democrat Party.

Yawn.

bass4funk

Wonder if they’ll go after the other 50,000 business leaders that have done the same thing as Trump and took out billions in loans.

Trump isn't getting fined for taking out loans. He is getting fined for committing fraud.

Wonder if they’ll go after the other 50,000 business leaders that have done the same thing as Trump and took out billions in loans.

Most of us in business are not claiming our office or residence has three times the square footage that it actually has. Just saying ...........

Every private employer I have worked for cheated on something. They were either cheating their customers, their employees, their suppliers, various regulatory agencies, the tax man or some combination of all of these. I can say I have only worked for two honest private businesses in my life. Some cheat a little and some cheated a lot. One employer is in jail now and another I put out of business reporting them to the tax man after cheating me. There is an old saying from NASCAR:

Rule number one - never get behind in your cheating

Rule number two - never get ahead in your cheating

Jupiter (orange colored gas giant) got way ahead in his cheating. Now he pays the price. Whah.

Desert Tortoise: What seems to motivate a degree of Donald Trump's ire in this particular matter is being exposed as not having as much wealth as he has publicly claimed. He is not as far up the Forbes list as he long claimed.

I think an even bigger threat to him is the loss of his properties. He's a game show host without them.

BTW, why didn’t Trump’s crack legal team turn in the paperwork to request a jury trial? Are they playing 4D chess?

A funny aspect of juries in civil trials is that the party requesting the jury has to pay for it. A jury is only a right in a criminal trial. For civil trials they are not required and if one party to the trial wants a jury they have to pay for it.

Yes, they outed 9 of the most famous people in America.

Some of those nine now qualify as infamous. One now understands why the Roberts court has been steadily declaring public corruption laws as unconstitutional. They are so corrupt themselves what we see as corruption they see as normal government business.

Bass: I see, so let’s just go after one guy, the guy who’s Joe Biden’s leading political foe, sure.

I'm guessing not many people value their residence at 4,500% above market value or overstate the square footage of another property by 300%. Let's say that puts Trump at the top of the list in my book. No one forced him to lie.

Do you feel the same about Hunter Biden's gun charge? Lots of people have bought guns on drugs. Why focus on this one guy who just happens to be the President's son? Yadda yadda yadda.

It’s ironic that Trump did all this to bloat his ego on the Forbes 400 list. And he’s didn’t make the list again. Gag order on that.

Trump just keeps on whining!

Just to let you know, I fixed your post for you!

The amount of corruption the lefts pushes is unreal!!

You’re half right. ‘Unreal’ as in you imagine it.

Great for that judge! It's about time!

A dysfunctional government reaches ludicrous-level dysfunction. Another day in Washington.

I am surprise the US is still dealing with this guy!

He should be in jail and out the news.

Trump just keeps on winning! The Supreme Court ruled that states can’t remove him from the ballots.

No they did not. The Supreme Court made a narrow ruling on standing. The individual who sued to remove Mr. Trump from the ballot was a minor candidate who admitted was not actively campaigning for President, just making some videos, and was not himself trying to get on the ballot in every state. Because of this the court ruled he had no standing to sue. The court has not addressed the merits of the applicability of the 14th Amendment yet. There are state lawsuits coming their way including one by the California Attorney General that under the US Constitution must be heard by the US Supreme Court. That suit is where the matter will be decisively settled.

‘That guy is that guy’s girlfriend’

That is ‘lashing out’ ?

Hilarious!

You’re confusing judicial outcomes with MAGA public opinion. Or perhaps you didn’t think before posting.

I am always sure before I post, always.

Read the story. He’s attacking a clerk. That’s not “defending himself”.

You mean, he stood up and smacked her across the face??

Another infantile comment. 

Because it's true, that is what she did and the judge as well, nothing infantile, that is what happened.

If you have a problem with the charges, so be it. Just stop already with the absurd “the Dems are all out to get him” conspiracy theory.

Ah, you don't get to tell me what I can or cannot say, you have your opinions and so do I.

Because you’re utterly off your rocker.

Ditto.

It’s ironic that Trump did all this to bloat his ego on the Forbes 400 list. And he’s didn’t make the list again. Gag order on that.

I think only liberals care about that, they talk non-stop about this.

Just like the vote counters in Georgia.

Ok, so both are wrong, we can agree on that one.

She already has the big judgement. Better than trying, she's succeeding.

I’m not so sure about that one.

DAMN, what a sassybrat! Has he even matured beyond the 5th grade? Didn't he ever get told that gossipy talk and rumors and teasing is grossly immature? And downright uncouth? 

See, now you understand how millions of us feel about the Democrat Party.

He IS NOT worthy to wear that US flag pin on his lapel. He's a traitor,

Sorry, you don't get to determine that, no one can, he is worthy and then some, especially when he could easily walk away from this and doesn't. definitely mad respect. Boo yaa.

a sputnik sellout to Putin. Therefore, he is not an American

Yes, he is American, born and raised in NYC, a once great city.

They absolutely were threatened.

Libs did the same thing

When Trump posts disparaging things about an innocent clerk, his base of rabid supporters will go after that person. Despicable bully behaviour.

Yes, despicable.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/12/01/democrat-senators-are-threatening-supreme-court-justices-again-n2599861

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/democrats-need-to-call-off-targeting-supreme-court-justices-after-armed-assassin-arrested-at-kavanaughs-house/

What's your alternative? Allowing anyone to lie on financial forms? No thanks.

I see, so let’s just go after one guy, the guy who’s Joe Biden’s leading political foe, sure.

Go ahead and do that yourself and let us know how that works out for ya.

I just think it’s hilarious how Dems lie to make it looks like they’re after false and shady business practices and the rule of law, remember now, we are talking about NYC. Lol

Yesterday you claimed it wasn't a civil case.

Yes

Trump isn't getting fined for taking out loans. He is getting fined for committing fraud.

Pretty much semantics, but seriously, do you think these people will go after roughly 50,000 other businessmen that have allegedly done similar things, if you want to frame it as a crime?

Isn’t grinning covered by the 1st Amendment?

I thought the trial and accusations were serious, at least that’s what they left want us to believe, so if that is the case, why grin?

FYI, a civil case doesn’t mean it’s decided by a TV audience

But people can see what a farce this thing is.

The court has not addressed the merits of the applicability of the 14th Amendment yet. There are state lawsuits coming their way including one by the California Attorney General that under the US Constitution must be heard by the US Supreme Court. That suit is where the matter will be decisively settled.

They will lose on that endeavor.

It's chilling that Trump released her name, including middle initial. He wants her to be found.

The Dems did the same thing when they outed conservative Supreme Court Justices, spare the fake outrage.

If there were truly a Marxist Dem deep state that would do this and enact wealth distribution it would be glorious!

Ok, so it has nothing to do with politics, I agree.

Of course the Marxist far left deep state of MAGA is a fantasy.

Keep trying, losing that edge there….

No, I mean people voted for it.

They also voted and take pride being a sanctuary state, now all of a sudden they’re in a panic because they’re being overrun by illegals and thugs, so yes, they voted for it, they also voted to turn a once great state with a rich history into a third world pariah.

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A fringe minority think it’s a farce. 

Not a fringe.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter what you or your kind think about the case.

We vote, so it does

The judge will decide. That’s the law, and Trump and his MAGA cultists will just have to suck it up. 

When the Dems lose the presidency hope you will follow the same ethics you preach. Lol

BTW, why didn’t Trump’s crack legal team turn in the paperwork to request a jury trial? Are they playing 4D chess?

Not sure, ask his legal counsel.

I'm guessing not many people value their residence at 4,500% above market value or overstate the square footage of another property by 300%. Let's say that puts Trump at the top of the list in my book. No one forced him to lie.

Funny, the only people that are complaining are the people that are out to get him. Like the grinning woman desperately trying to nail on another frivolous case.

Do you feel the same about Hunter Biden's gun charge?

I’m more focused on the possible play for play that seems to be connecting his father to foreign leaders trying to profit off these connections possibly

Lots of people have bought guns on drugs.

True, but we are talking about the son of the current president while in office

Dude, you try so hard.

Once again someone has an idea of what "free speech" ithat differs greatly from what the laws say it is But then the extremists in the far right, their politicians and their media, aiming their messages at the millions of poorly educated US Americans have made greater morons of many born dim bulbs.

Democrats??

You mean Trump won’t lose the case and his business in New York because there are cameras in the courtroom?

To a large extent. Remember, it’s a civil case.

Yeah, who ever would campaign on a promise of locking someone up? How disgraceful, right?

When that’s pretty much your only mission to getting into politics, yes.

It got her elected, didn't it? Isn't that kind of like representing constituents?

You mean, getting elected out of political hatred, that’s the lefts litmus test, I remember a time years ago when the Republicans did the same thing when they went after Bill Clinton, I thought it wrong then and feel the same now. If a real crime were committed, that’s a different story, Clinton did lie to a grand jury, I definitely thought he should have been disbarred, but destroyed? No.

I thought you were all into that kind of thing

No, not a vindictive guy.

Remember, they are only working out the penalty here. The judge has already confirmed that Trump committed fraud.

Yeah, the grinning judge, ok…

Trump almost certainly loses his businesses in New York.

Wonder if they’ll go after the other 50,000 business leaders that have done the same thing as Trump and took out billions in loans.

Threats and intimidation aren't free speech. Witness intimidation isn't free speech.

No one was threatened and while we are talking about threats, it’s funny when people threaten the former president, the president speaks out about it, not allowed and the left, complete silence. Now if it’s the other way around the ACLU would be all over it.

What's sad is that now that this lady has been outed she'll get the usual racist death threats. It's a big part of the MAGA world.

No, it’s not about her race, it’s who she is as a political opportunist, a woman that campaigned on the promise of elected to try and take out Trump. Smiling and grinning in court, yeah, a charlatan true to power.

Stiffing contractors is so right. 

Funny, not one bank filed a complaint.

Tell it to the judge. 

Well, he’s spot on again.

Trump knows he’s legally screwed. So he thinks the only way to win is in the court of public opinion. 

He doesn’t think he’s screwed, that’s why he pushed for cameras in the courtroom, that helps him. Brilliant move.

It would be much more effective to make this a physical gag order.

Funny, I remember a time where liberals championed free speech over everything else, times have changed.

Great example of the Trump ethos, unwise elder energy of punching down: lashing out at law clerks, stiffing his blue collar contractors etc etc.

Well, he’s right.

That anyone believes Trump is opposing an 'elite' and championing the working man has some serious cognitive deficiencies.

Too funny.