Judge: Trump likely committed crimes related to election

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more likely than not

Well that’s a new legal standard.

Yep that’s called a fishing expedition. You get to look at things only for the intention of finding a yet unknown crime while looking.

Ok, you got him on these new charges.

Exactly, based on these so-called charges they should be able to arrest him easy, so what are they waiting for? Arrest him and get it over with unless you.

So let’s lock him up! But why do the goalposts keep shifting? What about Russia? Then there’s the Muller Report? When’s he gonna go to jail for that stuff? But wait, isn’t he supposed to be in jail for a quid pro quo with Ukraine? When is it going to end and you just bring him up on charges?

In other words, the crimes are just to insignificant to file charges against him….again.

Anyway the Doooooony will be president in 2024, more chaos and drama to the soap opera..

Well that’s a new legal standard.

No it isn't. There's a difference in standards between a criminal court, civil court, and evidentiary standards. But it isn't new.

“Let’s see all the evidence! A day in court!” changed to “Nothing to see here! Fishing witch-hunt!”

Trying to overturn an election with forged electoral votes is sailing pretty close to the wind on the legal front.

And that was exactly what Eastman proposed.

No it isn't. There's a difference in standards between a criminal court, civil court, and evidentiary standards. But it isn't new.

That's not the case here. This is related to evidence in a Congressional investigation. Mr. Eastman is claiming attorney client privilege for all of his e-mail correspondence. However attorney client privilege does not apply to communication that is a criminal conspiracy. The judge is ruling on whether or not Mr. Eastman has to release all of his correspondence including voluminous e-mails regarding the effort to overturn the election. The judges ruling makes it harder, basically impossible, for Mr. Eastman to argue further that his correspondence is privileged and instead the correspondence regards unprotected criminal activity.

Mr. Noidall: Ok, you got him on these new charges.

What I gathered from the article is that it's not about new charges, but forcing one of Trump's lawyers to hand over communication documents. Ultimately the DOJ will decide what happens.

What evidence is the judge basing it on? Probably the sum of the communications they already have, especially one where they try to convince Pence to refuse to certify.

Then there’s the Muller Report? When’s he gonna go to jail for that stuff?

The Mueller Report was clear that if they could exonerate Trump they would, but based on the evidence they could not. They also pointed out over 10 cases of Trump interfering with the investigation. Muller said it's not his job to prosecute and handed the information to the DOJ, then the Senate Republicans voted to let him off the hook. Guilty wasn't an option for them because of politics, not lack of evidence.

But wait, isn’t he supposed to be in jail for a quid pro quo with Ukraine? 

Was this ever a criminal case that would have put him in jail?

As for Trump himself, a lot of his crimes are white collar where a fine is the sentence. For example, his two charges of discrimination in housing, or the time he used people's donations to his charity for his own business, or his Trump University scam.

He may have won more than he's lost in the past but I'm curious to see all of the evidence from January 6. Trump has been proven to be both a scammer and a liar and should not be handled as such.

Ah_so: forged electoral votes

Curious here....how so? I know one of the big things the GOP pushed for was to just throw out the official electoral votes and replace them with Trump's name. Is that the forgery?

You get to look at things only for the intention of finding a yet unknown crime while looking.

You’re gonna flip when you discover what an “investigation” is.

In other words, the crimes are just to insignificant to file charges against him….again.

“If I don’t think crimes are important, or if I like the criminal, they don’t matter” - the party of law and order

In other news, water is wet.

It's amazing what Trump has already gotten away with and continues to this day to get away with. It's a miracle that the U.S. hasn't had a president until now who has attempted to become a dictator and overthrow the government the way Trump has done.

It’s not a miracle. Previous candidates accepted the will of the people.

The fact is that much of politics is agreed on by “gentlemen’s rules”. The GOP abandoned those long ago.

The GOP does not regard the election of anyone of the Democratic Party, to any office, as legitimate.

"Nobody is above the law" is a joke that more and more Americans are not finding funny. Biden, the DOJ and right-wing establishment Dems with their inaction and "Braggs for Trump" are allowing the clock to run out to safeguard their "Deep State". Nobody needs a law degree to understand that Trump and his family and WH entourage & enablers in Congress, Senate and SCOTUS taking full advantage of the immunity and impunity as members of Amerika's untouchable elite have been flouting the law for years. The growing cynicism and disaffection of the divided gaslit nation has become a threat to America's already disenchanted democracy.

Of course he is guilty of felonies. It was as clear as day as the whole thing unfolded he was lying.

Trump and his family have always been crooks. While not jailed, he has lost nearly every time he goes to court and pays millions every time to pull himself out.

What I gathered from the article is that it's not about new charges, but forcing one of Trump's lawyers to hand over communication documents. Ultimately the DOJ will decide what happens.

As of now, probably nothing will come of it. The Dems know this will be the 4th lose for them

What evidence is the judge basing it on? Probably the sum of the communications they already have, especially one where they try to convince Pence to refuse to certify. 

Ok and then?

The Mueller Report was clear that if they could exonerate Trump they would, but based on the evidence they could not. They also pointed out over 10 cases of Trump interfering with the investigation. Muller said it's not his job to prosecute and handed the information to the DOJ, then the Senate Republicans voted to let him off the hook. Guilty wasn't an option for them because of politics, not lack of evidence.

In other words, you’re saying they’re reaching and the DOJ are scrambling to find anything they can to try and bring charges on the former President if at all possible.

Was this ever a criminal case that would have put him in jail?

None

As for Trump himself, a lot of his crimes are white collar where a fine is the sentence. For example, his two charges of discrimination in housing, or the time he used people's donations to his charity for his own business, or his Trump University scam.

I agree. I think what possible could come out of this would be a huge fine, the RNC already said that they would cover half of Trump’s legal and possible penalty fees should it come to that.

He may have won more than he's lost in the past but I'm curious to see all of the evidence from January 6. Trump has been proven to be both a scammer and a liar and should not be handled as such.

We shall see, but given the clock running out on the Democrats that doesn’t seem like time is on their side.

how convenient. Mr. Eastman is in fact his attorney.

So just claim "criminal conspiracy" to negate that.

So that you can then look at things to try to find the criminal conspiracy that you, with no evidence, claim.

Yep this is totally fair and honest.

You’re gonna flip when you discover what an “investigation” is.

there has to be a basis to start an investigation.

if they dont have it without looking in someone's attorney's emails. then you dont have it.

can the police just come in your house and look at everything then find a crime? nope.

they have to suspect you of something specific, not just come in your house and arrest you when they find you illegally downloaded a movie and burned it to CD back in 2005.

thats basically what they are doing, look until they can find a crime, any crime.

is is totally fair and honest.

Lol it's both actually. Attorney client privilege isn't absolute. It doesn't apply to the commission of a crime.

The judge has already ruled a crime probably happened, which is why they're getting access to documents from Eastman.

there has to be a basis to start an investigation.

There is, which is why the committee is getting access to the documents.

Attorney client privilege isn't absolute. It doesn't apply to the commission of a crime.

what crime was committed that would allow revocation of attorney/client privilege?

Why isnt this done in every case, just claim without evidence that something happened?

there has to be a basis to start an investigation.

January 6, 2021 did happen. Pretty good basis.

Trump was recorded trying to pressure the Georgia officials to invent votes for him. Pretty good basis.

I know that you think your master is the ideal of perfection. But please consider facts, instead.

Because facts don't care about your feelings.

cant have him running for election again, because he will win.

He did run for election again, in 2020. He lost.

Lol it's both actually. Attorney client privilege isn't absolute. 

…or depending on the person that is being accused of a crime.

The judge has already ruled a crime probably happened, which is why they're getting access to documents from Eastman. 

Which doesn’t necessarily mean that a crime was committed just because a judge decides to personally opine on an alleged so-called crime.

There is, which is why the committee is getting access to the documents.

Good luck with that.

Which doesn’t necessarily mean that a crime was committed just because a judge decides to personally opine on an alleged so-called crime.

"Judges don't know anything about the law" - the party of law and order.

Isnt that also voter suppression when I am not allowed to vote for the candidate I want because he is blocked from the ballot?

Clearly you don’t understand what voter suppression means, or apparently the entire voting system.

cant have him running for election again, because he will win. 

He lost last time. How many times in US history has a President had 2 non consecutive terms? When did it last happen?

when in US history was there a President worse than the one there now?

You know good and well Trump wins if he is allowed to run, thats why all this willingness to bend every rule or law or procedure to "get" him before then. Its very clear and obvious.

I bet the crackhead son gets attorney/client privilege in his cases. right?

when in US history was there a President worse than the one there now?

Jan 20, 2017 to Jan 20, 2021.

You know good and well Trump wins if he is allowed to run, thats why all this willingness to bend every rule or law or procedure to "get" him before then. Its very clear and obvious.

He lost the last time he ran. He lost so decisively that he incited a riot at the Capitol to try and overthrow democracy.

I bet the crackhead son gets attorney/client privilege in his cases. right?

What cases?

blacklabel: what crime was committed that would allow revocation of attorney/client privilege?

They're investigating January 6. If you read the judge's comments you will see detailed explanations: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840.260.0.pdf

Why isnt this done in every case

Your question isn't relevant because of course no one can walk in and make a claim without evidence to break the privilege. Common sense alone should tell you that.

more likely than not

Black: Well that’s a new legal standard.

No, it's not. At all.

judges jobs are not to speculate that "more like than not" something happened

In this case, it's exactly that. This isn't an indictment or a sentence or charges, it's a judge deciding if Trump's communications should be hidden. Based on the evidence amassed by the investigators, the judge felt giving the documents to the investigators.

just claim without evidence that something happened?

That works on Trump fans and election results but not judges.

Here's a good article debunking your claims and explaining in detail how you are wrong legally: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/28/heres-how-federal-judge-believes-trump-likely-broke-law/

Black, FYI the judge in this case was appointed by Clinton. Seeing as you aren't doing so well debating the legal process, just chalk it up to another Liberal judge conspiracy and leave it at that.

Black, FYI the judge in this case was appointed by Clinton. Seeing as you aren't doing so well debating the legal process, just chalk it up to another Liberal judge conspiracy and leave it at that.

Body blow.

Then there’s the Muller Report? When’s he gonna go to jail for that stuff?

easy to find the people that havent evenread the Mueller report or those indicted, here the breakdown

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2018/interactive_mueller-indictments-russia-cohen-manafort/

what crime was committed that would allow revocation of attorney/client privilege?

Criminal conspiracy to commit fraud wrt to the fake electors and attempting to obstruct Congress.

Why don't you want your favourite president's name cleared of all allegations?

I'll call these Trump apologists' bluff. Although it may not rise to the level of full conscious awareness, deep down they know that he's guilty as sin and that he's a con artist. But he's their con artist who's so good at "owning the libs". Trump fans simply don't care about democracy or rule of law. And they've invested too much of their souls in Cult 45 to turn back now.

I'll call these Trump apologists' bluff. Although it may not rise to the level of full conscious awareness, deep down they know that he's guilty as sin and that he's a con artist. But he's their con artist who's so good at "owning the libs". Trump fans simply don't care about democracy or rule of law. And they've invested too much of their souls in Cult 45 to turn back now.

Lie percentage: 0%.

Why isnt this done in every case, just claim without evidence that something happened?

The difference is that the January 6th Committee has evidence from the testimony of prior witnesses and from the e-mail, documentary and telephone records they have already collected. That evidence is what convinced the judge that it is likely that Mr. Trump and the attorney Mr. Eastman among others were involved in a criminal conspiracy. It doesn't yet prove the conspiracy but there is enough evidence already in the hands of the committee to create enough probable cause a crime was committed to require Mr. Eastman to submit his records to the committee. This isn't a fishing expedition. There is a high likelihood based on evidence already collected that this attorney was himself engaged in a crime. There is no attorney client privilege when the attorney and client are engaged in crime.

I'll call these Trump apologists' bluff. Although it may not rise to the level of full conscious awareness, deep down they know that he's guilty as sin

No, that’s not how we think, really, but we know the haters do so…

and that he's a con artist.

And what about the politicians running Washington? Con artistry is an art and trait that most politicians and business people possess.

But he's their con artist who's so good at "owning the libs". Trump fans simply don't care about democracy or rule of law.

If we didn’t then we wouldn’t be conservatives invoking the constitution all day 24/7

The sheer desperation to get this man for something, anything and the frustration in the inability to do so makes me smile on the inside.

I notice no one screaming “stormy Daniels” any more, why is that?

what crime was committed that would allow revocation of attorney/client privilege?

Obstruction of justice. If you read the article, thee judge ruled that Trump and his lawyer likely committed obstruction of Justice, which nullified attorney client privilege.

The sheer desperation to get this man for something, anything

The sheer desperation to deny that Trump is clearly guilty of a whole string of crimes against the American public.

The sheer desperation to deny that Trump is clearly guilty of a whole string of crimes against the American public.

Yeah, for almost 6 years the left have been trying in vain to make that argument and nothing ever came out of it. Just like with the election of you can’t prove anything beyond the shadow of a doubt you have nothing.

Trump and his lawyer likely 

btw “more likely than not” (which judge said) and “likely” (the headline and you) are not the same thing.

"More likely than not means evidence reasonably tending to support the conclusion. Evidence that is competent, relevant, and material, and which to a rational and impartial mind naturally leads, or involuntarily leads to conclusion for which there is valid, just and reasonable substantiation."

It's a legal standard, along the same lines of preponderance of the evidence.

Just give up the legal angle. You have been incorrect on nearly everything.

It's a legal standard, along the same lines of preponderance of the evidence.

Just give up the legal angle. You have been incorrect on nearly everything.

Doesn't seem so, the Dems trying to get Trump and knock him out is just not working for the left. Not at all.

the Dems trying to get Trump and knock him out is just not working for the left. 

Trump evades justice because that's been his MO his entire life. He cheats on everything, and you know it. You people seem to think that "winning" equals justice.

Just like with the election of you can’t prove anything beyond the shadow of a doubt you have nothing.

Trump and his people had NO evidence for widespread voter irregularities in 2020 and yet they wanted the entire election result overturned. Which they openly admit wanting to do and continue to call for.

There are mountains of evidence that Trump and his henchmen attempted to do what they have openly admitted to wanting to do. And Cult 45ers scream "witch hunt".

Trump evades justice

What are you talking about? Evading what? The guy was not convicted on any heinous crime. If you want to hold Trump to that standard then there are a lot of people at the top in fact that you could rightfully say, they’re evading justice.

because that's been his MO his entire life.

Uh-huh….

He cheats on everything, and you know it.

Yeah, sadly, the left are the very last people that can accuse anyone of cheating.

You people seem to think that "winning" equals justice

No, the other party thinks that.