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© Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Writer tells jury in lawsuit trial: 'Donald Trump raped me'
By JENNIFER PELTZ and MICHAEL R. SISAK NEW YORK©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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lillibet
It's not a rape trial. It's a defamation trial.
bass4funk
You just summed up the liberal playbook, now I have even more confidence that this is all a farce
Translation: these cases are going nowhere.
lillibet
What i do not understand is that if this is a rape trial how can the accused deny giving a DNA sample.
EFD
And the other one trying to gas light us into not remembering what we all heard Trump say over and over again, while trying to twist the meaning to something it clearly is not and implying - more or less stating - that any woman that does not actively resist sexual assault consents to it, well, it is worthy of contempt rather than discussion.
EFD
And there it is. After the "and?" part where it gives away the game about having no functional argument, It projects.
It is a worn-out weak rhetorical device that lays bare the absense of any kind of real subsitive argument because it knows that it is defending the indefensible in a serial rapist.
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Blacklabel
No it isn't.
That part I agree with.
It was this part that was wrong:
Blacklabel
it is. Democrat donor Reid Hoffman publicly announced he funded the lawsuit.
lincolnman
Is that what Trump told her as he pushed her into the dressing room?
Or did he say, "Woops. I'm sorry, i thought you were Marla"...
https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/trump-confused-photo-of-rape-accuser-e-jean-carroll-for-his-ex-wife-marla-maples-during-deposition/
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Blacklabel
Isn't the main thrust of the case about defamation
Which is why this case has gone to trial.
No it isn't.
Which is irrelevant.
Sure. The jury can decide based on the evidence.
Blacklabel
yes, which isnt defamation if Trump is telling the truth that its a made up con job funded by Democrats.
the funded by Dems part is already proven true.
no one has defamed her if this actually never happened and she is lying.
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Blacklabel
Isn't the main thrust of the case about defamation, which isn't 30 years old, it was while Trump was president:
agondocz
And then we wonder why women hesitate reporting that they were raped.
Blacklabel
yeah all the truth I am dropping is just super inconvenient to your desire to just "get Trump" isnt it?
no evidence at all, almost 30 years later. her weird "I like it" CNN interview. her claim another famous person did the same thing to her in a public place?
THIS is your "gonna get him this time!" moment? because she supposedly told 2 friends.
How sad.
but enjoy your moment while it lasts.
Bob Fosse
You should just stop now.
bass4funk
So nothing then?
So anecdotal evidence?
She kept it all those years?
That is pretty much the liberal ideology in a nutshell.
Blacklabel
You file a police report for theft of your car. not 3 decades later, by the way.
You file a police report for assault. right after it happens.
You call a witness (for example a worker at the store), show them what has just happened while the person who did it is still there, then you file a police report for sexual assault.
If you dont do these things, then yes you LET it happen to you.
Blacklabel
but nothing I said was untrue.
how odd.
Bob Fosse
If someone steals your car can they claim you ‘let’ them do it and did nothing to stop them?
If I walk up to someone in the street and punch them can I claim they ‘let’ me do it and did nothing to stop me?
If someone sexually assaults a person who freezes and doesn’t fight back can the perpetrator claim ‘they let me do it’?
Blacklabel
she is also claiming some TV executive did the same thing to her in a public elevator. in "the mid 1990s"
and some unnamed dentist did something as well.
and she calls her own husband an "ape" for some reason, the judge wont allow it to be heard in court because....there is a mixed race jury and that might prejudice them against her. huh?
the credibility is already stretching reallllllly thin.
which is totally and completely different from when someone LETS you do something.
thats consent and agreement.
Trump didnt say "they wanted it" he said "they let you do it" in his infamous comments.
Bob Fosse
Despicable. What a perpetrator of sexual assault fantasizes the victim is feeling is in now way an indication that it is consensual.
’they wanted it’ is a common ‘excuse’ used by rapists.
Blacklabel
no he was clearly saying they LET you do it.
thats not unwanted and is not assault. if you let someone do something that means you are in agreement that it is ok to be done.
that would be you twisting the words.
why do these standards you make up not apply to Tara or Juanita?
Blacklabel
answered your own "question".
they cant consent due to their age.
If I LET you borrow my car, can I then call the police and claim you stole it?
EFD
This one means "I got nothing left."
Whao! You better tell the judge because he is allowing their testimony and Hearsay is not admissible in a court of law! Proving once again that you know next to nothing about the law, civil, criminal or elctoral.
Facts according to? Do you mean like DNA or blood stains?
This part is jibberish and no matter how you try to gaslight it, they have rather a lot on what amounts to a serial sex predator.
EFD
This is a nominee for the dumbest thing you have ever written (and that is a tough bar to clear). Unwanted sexual contact is sexual assault BY DEFINITION. Failure to resist in not consent.
And in this case, her own testimony says that she did resist.
I have heard a lot of mysoginistic things in my life, but twisting the words of a man bragging about getting away with multiple counts of sexual assault into somehow being consenting behavior, well......
Yeah, that's not going to age well.
bass4funk
And?
Ok, so more hearsay.
Facts according to? Do you mean like DNA or blood stains?
Ok, so they really don't have anything on the guy.....again.
EFD
Actually, it's one of the only times someone was stupid enough to say it out loud, when he knew that he had a microphone attached. Stable genius indeed!
And an established pattern of behavior as well as the testimony of women experiencing the same type of unprovoked and unwanted sexual assaults AND the testimony of women that Carrolle told at the time.
No, there are facts and evidence. Besides, this is one of your weakest cop-outs "Well, I believe otherwise. Well, there are different opinions"
There are different opinions one which is the better movie: The Big Sleep or The Big Lebowski (Lebowski). There are opinions about the best flavor of ice cream. Here we have patterns of established behavior, witness testimony and evidence.
Blacklabel
they LET you do it.
consent.
lincolnman
This shows you just how stupid Trump is....
"The judge overseeing the trial of a New York author’s civil sexual assault suit against Donald Trump criticized the former president over a new post on social media disparaging his accuser and her lawyer, saying it “seems entirely inappropriate.”
The post on Trump’s Truth Social platform calls E. Jean Carroll’s rape allegation a “made up SCAM” and accuses her attorney, Roberta Kaplan, of being a “political operative.” Kaplan complained about the post at the start of the trial’s second day on Wednesday, before the jury was brought in.
Trump’s lawyer Joe Tacopina said it was the first he had heard of the post.
“What you’re trying to do is get away from a statement by your client that seems entirely inappropriate,”
“I will ask him to refrain from any other posts about this case,” Tacopina said. “I will do the best I can do, your honor.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-social-media-post-rape-154518341.html
So Trump is doing his best to lose his case and throw his lawyer under the bus....
Keep it up Don - it will just add zeros to the check you'll have to write...
What an imbecile...
bass4funk
To libs, it seems like it was the first time that was ever said by a man in human history.
Based on what? An accusation.
Well, there are many different opinions on that one
This trial is, lucky for Trump he has deep pockets.
EFD
Again, proving that you know very little about the law.
As this is a civil and not a criminal case, it is very unlikely to get dismissed once a trial has started. If there was insufficient evidence to conduct a trial, motions to dismiss would have been made and granted in the pre-trial phase.
Cheeto Jesus's "lawyers" (for them, the term demands air quotes) made several motions to dismiss and/or delay, all rudely swatted aside by the Judge. This case is going to trial for the full term. No dismissal.
She is not going to settle. For her the money is not the issue per say. While it would be nice to be awarded compensation for her injuries (even nicer to collect but it's Trump, so.....), her primary motivation is a judgment that finds that the rape happened and that Trump did it.
So she is not settling.
Blacklabel
actually no, as the word sarcastic means:
then what does irony mean?
signifies the OPPOSITE of what was said.
oops.
EFD
We have all heard what Don said about "grabbing women by the P".
There is no intimation that the women want this to happen to them nor that they consented to it. Therefore, it is an admission of sexual assault.
And I gotta say that attempting to parse words to read in meaning, when we have all heard what he said is almost, ALMOST as stupid as trying to argue that January 6th wasn't really the attempted overthrow of American government that we all saw.
It's just clueless, almost beyond belief.
Blacklabel
he actually bragged that "they let you" do things.
Not that you non consensually do anything.
which we know to be true of other famous people being allowed by most women to do things that others arent allowed to do.
But dont let the actual words stop you.
Seems highly unlikely this ever happened. But even if it did, the court in 2023 isnt a place for some regrets from 1995 or 1996 (she didnt even know what year until today)
bass4funk
It will either be dismissed for lack of evidence or a small settlement or nothing at all.
Blacklabel
as usual the damage here is in the (false) accusation.
The prominent Dem donor who is funding this has admitted he is paying the bills for the lawsuit but the judge wont allow them to hear this information in the court room.
if Trump wins the case, Dems will just pay for someone else to sue him
if trump loses the case, then its just another example of our two tiered justice system.
creating that martyr, the lead in the polls just keeps getting bigger as Joe fumbles and stumbles around the world.
EFD
Regardless of what one calls them, they ARE going to testify. The Judge has already ruled on this. The jury IS going to consider their testimony.
Why is it that the people who are ignorant of basic facts, instead getting obsessive about minor points are always the Trump supporters?
Bob Fosse
You’re wrong reply guy. Let it go.
Roxy Music
I must say this writer--she does tell a story.
Blacklabel
better than that "earwitness" nonsense you misunderstood yesterday.
you know the part that you have to be there to hear it, not that someone just told you about it later.
Bob Fosse
Please please use the “to have a short relationship with a girl one year older made me a star/hero/cool guy. Same for women maybe?” line in court.
2 people here at least seem to think it’ll work.
I’m sure it’ll be an epiphany for any women jurors.
Blacklabel
oh now she kinda knows when it supposedly happened, thats new.
The state of New York passed a brand new law entirely to allow this lawsuit to be filed in the first place.
EFD
Victim-shaming. "The wench had it coming!" Defense, eh?
I am sure that will play well with the jury....
Bob Fosse
You should forward this to Tacopina. It could form the backbone of his defense and would be sure to sway the minds of even the most hard hearted jury.
bass4funk
True, some people can’t figure that out. They’re so much in a bloodlust to see the guy swing they’ll believe and say anything.
UChosePoorly
Rodney - this happened in 1996. He wasn't POTUS then.
Rodney
Some people may want a short relationship with the most powerful man in the world. His mating is with supermodels and top porn stars. It’s like when I was a kid, to have a short relationship with a girl one year older made me a star/hero/cool guy. Same for women maybe?
Bob Fosse
I don’t know the difference. Please explain.
lincolnman
So Trump is a disgusting pervert...Gee, learn something new every day...
It's not like 25 other women have accused him of sexual assault...
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12
Or he openly bragged about his status as a "star" lets him assault women...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYqKx1GuZGg&ab_channel=NBCNews
Or that he has admitted to walking in on undressed beauty pageant contestants, some teenagers...
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300551-report-trump-walked-into-teen-beauty-pageant-changing/
Or has affairs with porn stars and Playboy Bunnies, while his wife is at home with their 10 month old son...
Yep, he sure is a good Christian...
EFD
We all know that Trump is the accused rapist.
If he is found liable, the GQP will have a man found liable, essentially a convicted rapist, no longer accused, running for president.
Yeah, THATS a great look.
Anonymous
It’s not odd that you, BF, only want to talk about “accused rapist” rather than “man accused of rape”. I wager heavily that you know the difference.
EFD
Based on her testimony, his own words and the testimony of contemporaneous witnesses she told at the time.
The jury will likely find it persuasive, as will the roughly 1 in 6 women voters who’ve been raped.
bass4funk
Based on…
Bob Fosse
I knew victim blaming would come up and exactly who it would come from.
I knew ‘whattabout’ would come up and exactly who it would come from.
How odd neither of you want to talk about the accused rapist.
Sven Asai
I just don’t believe that they hadn’t any police or jurisdictional system at the time when it happened, if it happened. It’s very hard to believe that there was no possibility at all to tell all the decades time in between, also not before the first two election campaigns, but just telling now the public and just propaganda fitting when there’s soon another election campaign. Do they distribute those allegations, so that they every four years have some cases available? Well, obviously it’s exactly that.
stormcrow
*You can grab 'em by the p***y and they won't do anything because you're a star.*
Yeah, Trump more than likely raped her, and he probably did it without any guilt and with mucho gusto.
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bass4funk
While it wouldn't surprise me at all if Trump did rape her -
He's a known predator. There are many more allegations like this. He also openly talked about grabbing women by their ....
bass4funk
Based on what? Feeling? A hunch? More liberal speculation?
Ah_so
While it wouldn't surprise me at all if Trump did rape her - it works hardly be surprising behaviour from a self-entitled malignant narcissist - what has the jury got to go on other than their competing claims?