Judges to consider barring Musk's DOGE team from several government agencies

DOGE is now auditing the IRS.

President Donald Trump on Thursday threw his support behind the Department of Government Efficiency investigation into alleged fraud and waste at the Internal Revenue Service.

Trump has long railed against the IRS, repeatedly claiming on the 2024 campaign trail that the office improperly targets conservatives for political reasons. After entering office in January, the president proposed closing down the IRS and replacing it with a new External Revenue Office. The president and his allies claim that revenue coming in from new Trump-era tariffs would sufficiently offset the loss of federal income taxes.

https://gazette.com/news/wex/trump-signs-off-on-doge-audit-of-irs/article_71b454df-bb78-5f85-bed1-1045169cc65d.html

Arizona congressman Eli Crane announced that he’s filing articles of impeachment against Manhattan-based Judge Paul A. Engelmayer (a Obama appointed judge) for blocking Elon Musk and DOGE from accessing Treasury Department payment systems. Judge Paul Engelmayer, is married to Emily Mandestam, who works for "The New York Association For New Americans" - an NGO that's swimming in USAID cash! Hmmm, Pam Bondi should immediately gather a grand jury and seek an indictment against Judge Paul Engelmayer, and al the Dem attorneys who brought forth the blatant unconstitutional case for the sole purpose of a presidential coup. Article III, Sec 3 now.

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Arizona congressman Eli Crane announced that he’s filing articles of impeachment against Manhattan-based Judge Paul A. Engelmayer (a Obama appointed judge) for blocking Elon Musk and DOGE from accessing Treasury Department payment systems.

What a loser.

Two federal judges will consider on Friday whether Elon Musk's government cost-cutting team known as DOGE will have access to Treasury Department payment systems and potentially sensitive data at U.S. health, consumer protection and labor agencies.

Yeah, keep the unelected South African out of the US's Treasury systems. He has no right to see that data and / or access those systems.

If you want to audit US government spending, payment systems are useless. They pay what Congress has voted to spend. Altering what is being paid is highly illegal.

Congress controls the budget. Not Trump. And certainly not Musk.

What a loser.

Well, that’s why I said what I said.

Pam Bondi should immediately gather a grand jury and seek an indictment against Judge Paul Engelmayer, and al the Dem attorneys who brought forth the blatant unconstitutional case for the sole purpose of a presidential coup. 

This is your brain on drugs.

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What a loser.

Well, that’s why I said what I said.

Yup, Arizona congressman Eli Crane is a loser.

DOGE - Dimwits, Oafs, Grifters, and Egomaniacs...

Yup, Arizona congressman Eli Crane is a loser

That is not what I said, don’t distort my words, don’t be dishonest. I was very clear and was talking about the judge.

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Yup, Arizona congressman Eli Crane is a loser

That is not what I said, don’t distort my words, don’t be dishonest. I was very clear and was talking about the judge.

I didn't say it was what you said.

But you distorted my words, so I had the need to clarify.

Both of these judges have been found to be biased with conflicts of interest. What is it with liberal judges and how their daughters make money?

sooner or later they will have to reverse course just like the federal employee buyout judge did, (no article about that huge win?)

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Both of these judges have been found to be biased with conflicts of interest. What is it with liberal judges and how their daughters make money?

No, they don't. Their daughters jobs are irrelevant.

But if you are worried about conflicts of interest, Musk is a walking conflict of interest.

Trump has long railed against the IRS, repeatedly claiming on the 2024 campaign trail that the office improperly targets conservatives for political reasons.

No, not the IRS. That, along with my passport, are the only connections I have left with being an expat American citizen. I've filed every year since I've been in Japan and there is all my personal information on the 1040 and 2555 forms I fill in. If DOGE investigates the IRS, a bunch of teens will have access to my personal information.

Their daughter’s jobs are irrelevant.

not when they get paid by an organization that Daddy is ruling to keep spending money on his daughter.

against the will of the people and our President:

Both of these judges have been found to be biased with conflicts of interest. 

Oh, you care about conflicts of interest? OK, how about a guy who get dozens of billions in government contracts now working inside the government without any accountability? Or an anti-vaccine cook who get money from people suing vaccine companies working as health secretary? I have a lot more if you want. It's pretty egregious!

Are any of them judges, ruling by partisan politics and against the Constitution?

and against the agenda of a duly elected President in our democracy?

if so, go ahead!

OK, how about a guy who get dozens of billions in government contracts now working inside the government without any accountability?

Excellent point. Why is Musk allowed access to sensitive material and information even though his company SpaceX gets funding from the government, Tesla also gets help from the government, and he hasn't cleared any security protocols, background checks, and proper vetting. There is a definite conflict of interest there, as well as lack of following the rules.

Let's not forget that Musk himself said that the country doesn't want "an unelected bureaucracy " running the country. Gee, Musk is correct. Americans don't want unelected officials running government. Is he implying that he was elected by Americans?

Also, can we actually believe what Musk says? He stated on X that an example of the fraud he mentioned was that 50 million dollars worth of condoms were sent to Gaza. He said this without providing any evidence for this. Can we really believe that is true? Really?

Musk is doing a great job.

Even Democrats are advising that their party go along with what Musk is trying to do instead of complaining, whining, screaming.

I still am a bit baffled though, why Trump let DOGE attack organizations like USAID, which only spends a mere fraction of a percentage point in money spent, but Republicans released their budget plan which calls for a 4.5 trillion increase in the debt limit which would offset the 4.5 trillions of dollars in tax cuts.

He wants to cut spending for Americans' healthcare, social services, and the flow of energy. Of course, the amount of money he tries to save, he wants to use to increase on defense spending and fund his military to carry out more deportations. In the meantime, DOGE is his hounds who he has made to carry out some of his orders to physically move their agenda forward.

Organizations like USAID actually did a lot of good. By providing healthcare, food, and other essential products to poor nations, it helped build America's "soft power" around the world. It helps in diplomacy when other nations look at you as doing good around the world.

By the way, DOGE and Musk have not provided a shred of evidence of fraud within any of the agencies and organizations they have been investigating. They claimed that a woman (who they did not and could not name) suddenly made 30 million dollars and questioned how she could've done it on a Federal salary. Gee, anybody could make up a story like that without any documents, facts, witness accounts, or actual names. Yet, they expect the American public to buy it.

Also, if you watched the video of the interview of Trump and Elon (with his kid), Elon clearly admits that he made up that whole story about 50 million dollars worth of condoms to Gaza. Yeah, he admits it on camera that he made it all up. I'm sure it's not the only thing he made up.

Receipts:

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6368719165112

In case you want to see and read:

https://gazette.com/news/wex/doge-brought-receipts-leavitt-s-list-of-waste-found-by-musk-and-team/

this “there isn’t a shred of evidence!” narrative is misinformation.

This just in, Trump and the government is set to buy 400 million dollars worth of armored Teslas.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-slammed-state-department-reveals-053821508.html

If that is not an example of a conflict of interest, then I don't know what is.

DOGE has TONS of evidence, though they're not tipping off fraudsters in the media. So many politicians, who've worked with DOGE are speaking out about tremendous amount of waste, fraud and abuse being uncovered.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-team-digs-in-finds-millions-wasted-dollars-epa-hud-doge-help

20 billion.

DOGE will result in far greater US Govt. downsizing and efficiencies gained than anyone thought possible, bringing down the US Govt. deficit by an expected 'whisper' number 1TRILLION dollars for FY 2026.

Nobody can believe how inept and corrupt the US Treasury Dept. Payment systems are being run, scary.

Isn’t it a legitimate question for let’s say the IRS to investigate?

a person whose only employer has ever been the US government at $170,000 per year, how can they have 30 million dollars in assets?

let’s see some tax returns.

Ah yes, nothing more credible in this world than links to... Fox News articles. The TV channel that had to pay close to 800 million dollars in a settlement for knowingly lying to its viewers.

a person whose only employer has ever been the US government at $170,000 per year, how can they have 30 million dollars in assets?

let’s see some tax returns.

They should ask that of Melania. Also, that fake person they made up has not been proven yet. There is no name, and no information about such a person. Musk has already proven that he makes stuff up on X, so why should we believe in him on this one?

In any case, I have a question. Isn't it illegal to buy votes for an election? If so, then why was Musk allowed to give out million dollar checks to potential voters when he was campaigning for Trump? Why is Musk allowed to benefit from a 400 million contract for Tesla trucks from the Department of State, while he is serving in a position of power within the government? It's just too convenient that Trump and DOGE goes after any entity, person, or competitor who could stand in Musk's way to receive such a contract.

It’s super transparent with documents, updated several time a day :

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1890258919521677614

that’s a lot of “shreds (of evidence)” huh?

Ah yes, nothing more credible in this world than links to... Fox News articles.

its a video. Of the Press Secretary speaking.

and just for you, I posted documents for you to see and read for yourself. The ones that she had in her hand.

Ah yes, nothing more credible in this world than links to... the twitter account of DOGE itself. Why shouldn't we believe everything they post? I mean sure, there's no third party checking anything, they could be completely making everything up, no way of knowing or verifying anything, but hey, the important thing is: liberal tears. Nothing else.

Only an act of Congress can legally create a department in the executive branch and The Appointments Clause of the Constitution provides that those principal “officers” not expressly mentioned in the Constitution (i.e., individuals who exercise significant authority and report directly to the President), but “established by law,” must be appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.  Congress has not even proposed legislation to create a Department of Government Efficiency and Elon Musk has never been confirmed by the Senate as it's head. It would be very hard, almost laughable, to argue he does not exercise significant authority within the Executive Branch.

I recall what happened the last time Jupiter was Pres and he tried to circumvent the Senate with a recess appointment. The courts ruled that everything his recess appointee did was illegal and void. I don't remember the department involved but I do remember the outcome.

I suspect one or more judges are going to rule that DOGE as currently organized is not a legal entity since Congress did not create it as the Constitution requires and because their leading members were not vetted and confirmed by the Senate.

It's just too convenient that Trump and DOGE goes after any entity, person, or competitor who could stand in Musk's way to receive such a contract.

who did they “go after” so that Elon could get a Cybertruck contract?

somebody else makes those?

Isn't it also convenient that Trump fired the USDA inspector general, whose agency had investigated Elon Musk's start-up company Neuralink back in 2022, because there were accusations that they had mistreated test monkeys?

And of course, the list of people and organizations who've done Trump and Musk wrong are targeted for their excuse that they are saving lots of money, even though they themselves plan to increase the national debt by trillions of dollars.

Well, as long as you are a billionaire, then you may not have to worry, but the middle and lower classes will have to worry.

that they are saving lots of money, even though they themselves plan to increase the national debt by trillions of dollars.

maybe they plan to take all the money they save and apply it to the national debt?

then it won’t increase as much as expected, or at all.

Isn’t it a legitimate question for let’s say the IRS to investigate?

a person whose only employer has ever been the US government at $170,000 per year, how can they have 30 million dollars in assets?

let’s see some tax returns.

Way ahead of you. Musk responded to a post on X claiming former USAID chief Samantha Power earned $23 million between 2020 and 2024. Power received a salary of $183,100 while working as administrator of USAID, according to federal records, and there’s no evidence suggesting she benefitted from her position to the tune of millions of dollars. In 2020, Power disclosed royalties and sales from her books, none of which exceeded $1,000, in addition to positions in several exchange-traded funds and mutual funds, including some holdings with Vanguard valued up to $1 million. In 2024, Power disclosed a retirement fund valued at up to $1 million and other assets held in ETFs and mutual funds. Over four years, some of Power’s assets rose in value, but many of them were mutual funds that track broad stock market indexes and there isn’t any evidence that growth had anything to do with her job at USAID.

A career civil servant ought to be able to save a lot more than $1 million in the Thrift Savings Plan, which works like a 401k. She probably, like me had a home and some money she inherited from her parents that she invested. I bought rental properties with my inheritance to supplement my retirement income. That doesn't make me corrupt. Elon Musk is just lying about things, as increasingly seems to be his habit.