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What can anyone say? We are witnessing the birth pains of a new Russian empire, being brought back together following the collapse of the Soviet Union. It might get messy for a while but the Ukranians -- an estimated 6 million of whom Stalin starved to death in early 1930s -- are going to find themselves on the dark side of a shiny new iron curtain before they know what hit them.

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Hmm - I sense a bit of rage from the "independent conservative" quarter, but that is par for the course. Whatever Obama does is, by definition, incorrect, regardless of results. Syria is turning over its chemical weapons; Libya is coming to terms with different ethnic groups sharing a single nation with no strongman; Iran, under sanctions stronger than even under Bush, is negotiating; and - Benghazi? Ha ha ha! Certainly, things are bad, but they seem not to be getting worse, and Obama has kept Americans out of harms way throughout it all (unlike, say, Reagan or Bush).

Oh, Obama won't not "do anything" if Ukraine cracks down to severely. Just ask Iran.

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"the crisis was ignited by Yanukovych’s decision to ditch a historic European Union agreement in favor of closer ties with Russia."

Maybe Ukranians will vote this guy out in the next election.

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He should just shut his yap. Has an opinion about everything but does nothing about anything.

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Ok, Obama screws up taking out Assad and now he wants to get involved with Ukrainian politics? This is THE most confused, disoriented, unorganized president, I've ever seen. Amazing, the guy is all over the place. What does he want to do, send troops to the Ukraine??? Yeah, that'll work.

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What does he want to do, send troops to the Ukraine??? Yeah, that'll work.

Out of the woodwork Obama bashers crawl. Ukraine (which hosted my ancestors for a few decades before they migrated to the US) is badly split between a Russo-centric east and a Euro-centric west. Russia holds great sway as they provide most of Ukraine's power supplies, particularly natural gas, while the EU holds promise for economic integration. Ukraine is thus in the unenviable position of playing the rope in a tug of war between the EU and Russia - which should not be happening, and would not be happening if Russia were not so intransigent.

Obviously, Bass, Obama will not send troops. There will be no military intervention at all. Obama did not even hint at such. "Consequences" clearly means that the privileges Ukraine enjoys with the EU and the US will be greatly scaled back if the wishes of those in the west are not dealt with constructively.

Do you object to that?

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@bass

Most socialists and communists think that.

Some of the most determined enemies of the old USSR were (and still are) socialists, particularly in Europe. Don't lump us all in together....

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"Most socialists and communists think that. "

This statement shows much ignorance, I think.

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bass4funk: No, I understood the question perfectly, but my point being, let the Ukrainians figure it out as to what that is, I don't particularly know,

Thanks for that. If the US can help the protesters via sanctions on the government, then I'll support that.

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Oh do shut up Obama.

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bass: Personally, I think Obama should keep his mouth shut!

He's the American President. People expect him to make a statement. I'm sure you know that.

I object to what's going on, but Obama will never do anything, so why say something.

So you object to what's going on. Please tell us what you'd like to see done. Stand up and own it. Seriously, even if you say that the US needs to send in clowns I'll have at least some respect for you because you aren't just mentioning how much you hate Obama. But everyone here knows you can't.

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I am so sick of Obama sticking his head into every other countries issues.

I understand how 'some' US politicians actually do wanna police the world to make it a better place, and I am grateful for those people. But, this is an issue for the Ukraine and their people, and Russia and the US need to stay out of it. IF they ask for international support, then it should come from the world as a whole, not just one country.

I am not anti-American, I am just anti-any politician who doesnt help ease a situation and instead inflame it even more, aka Obama and friends

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Ok, so 4 Americans that were murdered don't mean beans to the President, how could they, the whole situation could've derailed his presidency, sor****ry, my bad.

Right, Bass. In 1983, 241 American and 58 French servicemen died in a meaningless show of force in Lebanon to a Hezbollah-linked group; that meant so much to Reagan that his administration later illegally sold weapons to Iran, Hezbollah's sponsor. The GOP's foreign policy record is as abysmal as could be possible - it's almost like they plan to screw up. Really, name me one - Just one! - GOP foreign policy success since Nixon.

You've got no legs to stand on at all.

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Raising my kids, they dreaded my statement of "consequences" when our policies differed to the extent that I felt intervention was required. They didn't fear a slap across the face, of course - in fact, they might have preferred that to the actual consequence of reduced freedom (grounded!) or income (no allowance!) - at least the former would have been over with quickly.

Why is it that some inevitably equate consequences with violence?

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@bass - I remember several times during the 2012 election you trying to warn us about the current POTUS. I get the feeling, even though I do not know you personally, that you aren't the type to say, "I told you so !". bass, you tried to warn us, you told us so !

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I remember several times during the 2012 election you trying to warn us about the current POTUS. I get the feeling, even though I do not know you personally, that you aren't the type to say, "I told you so !". bass, you tried to warn us, you told us so !

Look how this guy turned out to be? It seems like each day he is getting more and more radical.

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If the US protesters were armed and violent like the ones in Kiev, I wonder what Obama's response would be. Would he show restraint?

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@laguna

Hmm - I sense a bit of rage from the "independent conservative" quarter, but that is par for the course. Whatever Obama does is, by definition, incorrect, regardless of results.

"Whatever Obama does?" I'm sorry, perhaps I'm missing something here, but what has he done except for complicate matters in Syria, Afghanistan, Snowden, Russia, China and now, he wants to get involved in Kiev? Wanna bet his threats are hollowed and empty? His narrative is always the "Red Line" and then what? The guy is a joke!

Syria is turning over its chemical weapons;

You mean, the ones that they want YOU to see them give up

Libya is coming to terms with different ethnic groups sharing a single nation with no strongman;

That's all good and dandy, you just forgot to mention many of the foreign fighters in Syria fighting for the opposition army against Assad are from Libya, nice.

Iran, under sanctions stronger than even under Bush, is negotiating;

And you think the sanctions are stopping them from completely building a weapon, they are slowing down, but not stopping. Sure, I give him props for trying, but a full containment of the Iranian nuclear program, hardly.

and - Benghazi? Ha ha ha! Certainly, things are bad, but they seem not to be getting worse, and Obama has kept Americans out of harms way throughout it all (unlike, say, Reagan or Bush).

Ok, so 4 Americans that were murdered don't mean beans to the President, how could they, the whole situation could've derailed his presidency, sorry, my bad. Of course, it's NO big deal, the families of the 4 slain should just give up and forget about it. The White House doesn't feel like they owe the families an explanation, so who gives a fig what they think.

Oh, Obama won't not "do anything" if Ukraine cracks down to severely. Just ask Iran.

The man is biting off more than he can chew. the man has no experience about ANYTHING let alone govern and now he wants to play John Wayne with the Ukraine? Heaven help us all. This man...

@super

He's the American President. People expect him to make a statement. I'm sure you know that.

But of course, that's just about the only thing he's good at-giving speeches, personally, I wouldn't expect anything else from him.

So you object to what's going on. Please tell us what you'd like to see done.

At this point and time with everything else he's screwed up, best bet would be for us to stay out of Kiev, because I already know what the result will be. This president is very predictable.

Stand up and own it. Seriously, even if you say that the US needs to send in clowns I'll have at least some respect for you because you aren't just mentioning how much you hate Obama. But everyone here knows you can't.

I admit, I don't like the man. I never said, I did. And trust me, it has nothing to do with him being a Democrat, I could care less. The man is a narcissist and has an ego the size of Texas. He is vendictive and has a very thin skin, holds a grudge and it's always about him. I don't trust him with our troops and if he's so trigger happy, he should do what he does best or the only thing is to send in drones. That's an Obama response.

@jooji

Remember Reagan's "Evil Empire Speech" in Berlin many years ago ? The real "evil empire" was not the USSR, it was, and still is, the good old US of A.

Most socialists and communists think that.

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bass: At this point and time with everything else he's screwed up, best bet would be for us to stay out of Kiev, because I already know what the result will be. This president is very predictable.

I don't think you understood my question. I was asking what you would like to see the US do if you could create policy. Instead of telling me that Obama can't do anything, tell me what he should be doing.

The man is a narcissist and has an ego the size of Texas. He is vendictive and has a very thin skin, holds a grudge and it's always about him.

This isn't a radio show where you have a microphone in front of you and have a one-sided narrative. It's a discussion. I know you personally hate the man because I've read hundreds of posts that you've written telling me that. Adding more "zingers" doesn't add anything, especially when we're talking about the specifics of policy making.

You refuse to take any kind of stand or give any recommendations or discuss what you think should be done, instead you brush all that aside and start another "worst President ever" monologue. I asked you to give some Republican successes and the first thing you say is, "Obama has." I think you're genuinely befuddled by the notion that someone might actually want to hear something other than yet another personal attack on the President. So I'll ask again: If you were in charge, what would you do about the Ukraine?

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OBAMA word WARN mean "NOTHING" When he speaks the world laughs hahaha!!

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" we’re going to be watching closely and we expect the Ukrainian government to show restraint, to not resort to violence in dealing with peaceful protesters,” Obama said.

So will he also show such restraint against peaceful protesters marching on DC?

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@laguna

Obviously, Bass, Obama will not send troops. There will be no military intervention at all. Obama did not even hint at such. "Consequences" clearly means that the privileges Ukraine enjoys with the EU and the US will be greatly scaled back if the wishes of those in the west are not dealt with constructively.

Do you object to that?

Personally, I think Obama should keep his mouth shut! What did he say about the RED LINE in Syria? What did he do about Benghazi? How's the situation with Iran going? Liibya? Snowden? And on and on, this guy is the biggest joke! All bark, No bite! Obama is pure all talk, all BS and ZERO action. The same thing will happen, he'll just spout off, so that he can look like he's an assertive and not a weak-knee president. Problem is, it's not working. Of course, I object to what's going on, but Obama will never do anything, so why say something. This guy is THE biggest embarrassment to the country.

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Obama should chuck a few missles in there and kill a few thousand -that is what the Americans know how to do best!

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@super

You do that, but knowing how Obama handles international affairs! I'm not in slightest hopeful! Not even a smidgen.

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" Whatever Obama does is, by definition, incorrect"

Yup, that pretty well sums it up!

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Remember Reagan's "Evil Empire Speech" in Berlin many years ago ? The real "evil empire" was not the USSR, it was, and still is, the good old US of A.

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@super

I don't think you understood my question. I was asking what you would like to see the US do if you could create policy. Instead of telling me that Obama can't do anything, tell me what he should be doing.

No, I understood the question perfectly, but my point being, let the Ukrainians figure it out as to what that is, I don't particularly know, but I do know if Obamagets mixed up in it, from his history, things will turn out far worse.

This isn't a radio show where you have a microphone in front of you and have a one-sided narrative. It's a discussion.

So then why do you liberals always act like it is???

I know you personally hate the man because I've read hundreds of posts that you've written telling me that. Adding more "zingers" doesn't add anything, especially when we're talking about the specifics of policy making.

I hate his policies more than the man himself. I know there are thousands of Americans that are thinking to themselves in this point and time "what have I done."

You refuse to take any kind of stand or give any recommendations or discuss what you think should be done, instead you brush all that aside and start another "worst President ever" monologue.

Sorry, super! NOT going to work. You Obamabots can't handle it that someone calls Obama on his screw ups, you want to deflect throw out metaphors and like so many other liberals use ad hominem attacks to insult and demonize people that don't cow tow to this president. It's not going to work. As with most liberals, had it been Bush in this situation, you guys wouldn't want him near the Kiev. You know it and I know it, but suddenly that it's the anointed one, we have to trust him? Really? You keep doing that, the rest of the NON-Kool aid drinkers will move on.

I asked you to give some Republican successes and the first thing you say is, "Obama has." I think you're genuinely befuddled by the notion that someone might actually want to hear something other than yet another personal attack on the President. So I'll ask again: If you were in charge, what would you do about the Ukraine?

Oh, please, disagreeing with you over foreign is now all of a sudden an ad hom attack?? You guys are something else. ROFL. I'm going to answer the question by saying, We shouldn't get involved, I don't care. Let the Ukrainians Handle it. That's my answer and my solution. I wish them all the best.

@laguna

In 1983, 241 American and 58 French servicemen died in a meaningless show of force in Lebanon to a Hezbollah-linked group. You've got no legs to stand on at all.

Sure, I do.

http://www.cfr.org/world/globalization-politics-american-foreign-policy-new-century/p6330

Too much to go over. I got an answer for that, because it's not only easy, but too lengthy, but I know once that happens the Mods will jump in, so I'm not going to veer off topic.

@bruinfan

"Most socialists and communists think that. "

This statement shows much ignorance, I think.

I think some people just don't want to accept the truth.

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Can't understand why everyone here got the thumbs-down, so I put you each up a notch.

Obama. 'Consequences'? I doubt he can spell it!

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