Kyiv says too soon to talk foreign troop numbers in Ukraine

Translation: while there's been some thought-bubble-talk about 'peacekeeping' forces, no EU countries have made a firm commitment and are very reluctant to do so. Despite the previous bluster of Macron and even Keir, this is for a number of reasons: chiefly amongst these is Moscow will not permit it. Secondly is these actors know it will entail biting off more than they can chew and will be get it handed to them. European armies are quite small and not up to the challenge of a confrontation with the Russian armed forces.

Any contingent of foreign forces entering the steppes of the invasion routes into European Russia better stock up on a good supply of body bags. Moscow won't sit on its hands.

Trump is reduced to begging Saudi Arabia to lower oil prices to try to bring russia to the table. Not going to work and he should accept his only path to redeeming his reputation is to continue the Biden policy.

JJEToday  06:51 am JST

European armies are quite small and not up to the challenge of a confrontation with the Russian armed forces.

Given how pathetic russia performed against #30 on the military expenditure list, I would expect many European countries could send the russians back where they came from.

Trump is reduced to begging Saudi Arabia to lower oil prices to try to bring russia to the table.

True and the Saudis are begging us to protect them, a win, win.

Not going to work

The Saudis want to do business with us, it absolutely will work.

and he should accept his only path to redeeming his reputation is to continue the Biden policy.

That won’t happen.

JJE

Any contingent of foreign forces entering the steppes of the invasion routes into European Russia better stock up on a good supply of body bags. Moscow won't sit on its hands.

Ease up on the drama. The peacekeeping forces will be in Ukraine, not Russia.

Problem Zelensky is facing is how to require the EU troops to protect HIM from the Ukrainian population while preserving the illusion that the population that put him in power to restore good relationships with Russia is united behind him, even those who have chosen to reject his government and flee to Europe or Russia.

The peacekeeping forces will be in Ukraine, not Russia.

That's the problem - it's conjecture exactly where a land formerly known as Ukraine's borders actually are since their loss of sovereignty in 2014.

Russia has signalled that it would immediately declare a ceasefire once Kyiv begins withdrawing from what Moscow views as Russian territory, including the Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, and Zaporozhye regions. This would allow negotiations to begin on the other regions which haven't decided their status, leading to a demarcated, observed border and an eventual peace.

Having a foreign army on any of the above territory would hinder that natural process in the short term but not the long term, not to mention be very detrimental for that hypothetical force/s.

Burgerland

he should accept his only path to redeeming his reputation is to continue the Biden policy.

Nah, pro- war Biden camp supporters wishes are not gonna happen. Trump will not do a Biden and ask for 18 year old Ukrainian teenagers to be mobilized and sent to the front.

Whoops:

US President-elect Donald Trump intends to push Ukraine to lower its age of conscription to 18 in an effort to stabilise the country’s front lines ahead of direct negotiations with Russia.

https://www.afr.com/world/europe/trump-to-urge-zelensky-to-lower-ukraine-s-conscription-age-to-18-20250113-p5l3yc

JJE

The peacekeeping forces will be in Ukraine, not Russia.

That's the problem - it's conjecture exactly where a land formerly known as Ukraine's borders actually are since their loss of sovereignty in 2014.

There is no conjecture. There was no loss of sovereignty in 2014.

Russia has signalled that it would immediately declare a ceasefire once Kyiv begins withdrawing from what Moscow views as Russian territory, including the Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, and Zaporozhye regions.

Yes. A non-starter. Which goes to show that Putin isn't serious about peace.

If there was no conjecture, there would be a consensus on the former-Ukraine border question but there simply isn't.

Realistically moving forward, Moscow won't allow the rump state of Ukraine to be anything but strictly neutral, which means zero NATO. And it won't allow it to be snuck in the backdoor under the guise of a foreign 'peacekeeping force', particularly on its front porch.

Indeed, such a proposition will inevitably lead to a wider conflict, possibly between Russia and NATO directly. That is why it is not just a hindrance to peace, but a graver threat that could suck in the wider region.

Burgerland

US President-elect Donald Trump intends to push Ukraine to lower its age of conscription to 18 in an effort to stabilise the country’s front lines ahead of direct negotiations with Russia.

Nah, Donald is just using that threat as a negotiating technique to get his deal done ,

How is this a negotiating technique? That doesn't make sense. If he asks Ukraine to send 18 year olds, how does that have anything to do with peace talks?

along with reducing arms flow to Ukraine,

He hasn't done that either.

Biden on the other hand fully intended to send the 18 year old Ukrainian kids to the frontline

And so did Trump.

And BTW

Do you know what the mobilization age is in Russia? 18.

Do you know what the requirement age to join the military in the US? 17.

It's not controversial, and nobody is saying that they should be sent to the front line.

Biden admin were warmongers , Trump prefers peace. Not even close.

Even though they both have the same policy for 18 year conscription in Ukraine. You can't make this up.

Burgerland

"A non-starter. Which goes to show that Putin isn't serious about peace."

That Russia will keep most the territory it took as part of the peace deal is obvious to most.

Putin had it as a requirement for peace talks to start. And Ukraine will not renounce their sovereignty to that territory. Ever.

JJE

If there was no conjecture, there would be a consensus on the former-Ukraine border question but there simply isn't.

There is.

Realistically moving forward, Moscow won't allow the rump state of Ukraine to be anything but strictly neutral, which means zero NATO. And it won't allow it to be snuck in the backdoor under the guise of a foreign 'peacekeeping force', particularly on its front porch.

Well then Putin won't get peace. Simple as that. We can eat popcorn while his country implodes.

Indeed, such a proposition will inevitably lead to a wider conflict, possibly between Russia and NATO directly.

Nonsense. NATO is a defensive alliance. They pose no threat.

We can eat popcorn while his country implodes.

And what of beloved Ukraine during that time?

Blacklabel

We can eat popcorn while his country implodes.

And what of beloved Ukraine during that time?

They can let Russia gain 0.7% of their country per year, for the cost of 430,000 Russian troops. Which is Russia's result for 2024.

That result was with foreign money and weapons.

especially from Biden who gave billions every time they met even when it was only a few days before.

how about without any of that? Total collapse.

Blacklabel

That result was with foreign money and weapons.

Oh, they will still have foreign money and weapons.

Trump will just call it a loan.

I see? So your entire premise is now based on Donald Trump giving money to Ukraine.

uh oh.

Burgerland

" Ukraine will not renounce their sovereignty to that territory. Ever."

How do you imagine Ukraine will get all its territory it lost including Crimea, with its vastly ethnically Russian and pro Moscow population back?

I didn't say that they would get it back. I said that they will not renounce their sovereignty to that territory.

Burgerland

"NATO is a defensive alliance. They pose no threat."

Nonsense. Warsaw Pact used to say the same but they were the threat and enemy no. 1 to the West. Same as NATO for Russia. Look at it from their point of view.

We aren't in the cold war. NATO = Defensive alliance.

Burgerland

Doesn't matter how much lipstick you try putting on it Biden/Harris vs Trump's policies on Ukraine are vastly different. Biden was pro war

Biden is anti-war. His record speaks for itself.

Trump prefers peace. Simples.

We don't know Trump's policy.

Russia is fighting a war against collective NATO supplied and supported UAF. They see NATO as a threat No.1.

You claimed Putin was ‘lured’ into invading by people that you have never been able to identify.

You also believe that people defending Ukraine are ‘warmongers’ but the people who are actually invading aren’t.

This isn’t the logic of a serious person.

Burgerland

And what of beloved Ukraine during that time?......They can let Russia gain 0.7% of their country per year, for the cost of 430,000 Russian troops. Which is Russia's result for 2024.

Ukrainian casualties and destruction don't seem to matter to certain quarters as long as Russia is taking losses. "Until the last Ukrainian" as long as they do the dying and NATO only provides weapons, it is a great deal for the West as the NATO proponents have stated on here many times. Unbelievable.

Don't be ridiculous. We all want peace. It's Putin who doesn't want peace.

We aren't in the cold war. NATO = Defensive alliance."

Russia is fighting a war against collective NATO supplied and supported UAF.

No, they aren't. They are invading Ukraine. NATO is not fighting in Ukraine.

They see NATO as a threat No.1.

No, they don't.

Putin even said that he didn't care that Finlan joined NATO, even though they share a long border.

wait

Ukraine prevails aka winning in conflict and Russia is not prevailing aka loosing in conflict.

sow ahet for some peacekeepers are needed.

heroi will march soon on RedSquare as Vovka just ran out of stock with shovels.

Burgerland

Personally I think there have been too many casualties already and peace talks need to happen asap.

And yet you fail to condemn Putin for starting the war.

Trump is preparing a new weapons shipment for Ukraine.

2020hindsights

time to pack and go to UA,experts of your level are desperately needed there mate.

udachi.

Blacklabel

I see? So your entire premise is now based on Donald Trump giving money to Ukraine.

No.

Trump says Zelenskyy is ready to negotiate but Putin cannot be found. Apologists must trust what their hero Trump says.

Putin did start the war indeed. After numerous warnings to the West to de-escalate the Ukraine situation and not push Ukraine into NATO. His warnings were purposely ignored by NATO.

its FACT many wont talk about.

Putin did start the war indeed. After numerous warnings to the West to de-escalate the Ukraine situation and not push Ukraine into NATO. 

Lol, Kremlin logic. Deescalate the situation by invading Ukraine again.

its FACT many wont talk about.

It’s certainly something you shouldn’t say to people you know. They’ll think you are insane.

Burgerland

Putin did start the war indeed.

That's not a condemnation

After numerous warnings to the West to de-escalate the Ukraine situation and not push Ukraine into NATO.

There wasn't a Ukraine situation. Ukraine was not a member of NATO and they weren't talking about joining NATO.

His warnings were purposely ignored by NATO.

No they weren't as stated above. Putin came up with some pretexts, like de-Nazifying Ukraine, which was ridiculous.

But it seems like you are OK with Putin invading a sovereign nation because they decalred a wish to join a defensive alliance. That is pro-war.

You and some others say you are pro-peace and yet continue to support sending ever more weapons

For Ukraine to defend itself. If we didn't send weapons more Ukrainians will die.

and mobilization of 18 year olds in Ukraine

Same as Russia.

( despite the Ukrainian public being against lowering mobilization age and pro ceasefire talks )

I am for peace talks.

to prolong the war, resulting in more casualties.

I would sue for peace tomorrow. But you have to get Putin to agree. So while Putin isn't interested, we have to supply weapons so that there are less Ukrainian deaths.

That is not pro-peace.

It is.

It is much easier for them to call for other people's children to go fight and die, from the comfort of a chair half the world away.

What Russian battalion are you serving in?

dobre vam zajebava

Putin did start the war indeed. After numerous warnings to the West to de-escalate the Ukraine situation and not push Ukraine into NATO. His warnings were purposely ignored by NATO.

its FACT many wont talk about.

It's not a fact at all. But even if it was, it doesn't warrant a war of aggression against Ukraine.

Putin didn't invade Ukraine in 2022 because he feared NATO. He invaded because he believed that NATO was weak, that his efforts to regain control of Ukraine by other means had failed, and that installing a pro-Russian government in Kyiv would be safe and easy. His aim was not to defend Russia against some non-existent threat but rather to expand Russia's power, eradicate Ukraine's statehood, and destroy NATO, goals he still pursues.

Nuclear-armed Putin has never feared NATO. He invaded Ukraine because he believed it belonged to Russia.

Burgerland

What Russian battalion are you serving in?"

I,m consistently calling for peace, you support continuing the war. Why haven't you shipped out to join the UAF foreign legion at the front yet?

Because we are calling for peace too.

But, unlike you, we acknowledge that Putin to blame for this war. He should be condemned. All the death and destruction is the fault of Putin.

wallace

Nuclear-armed Putin has never feared NATO. He invaded Ukraine because he believed it belonged to Russia.

Exactly! He has written about this.

Because we are calling for peace too.

but under unrealistic terms and conditions that don’t support any ability to create any actual peace agreement.

invading a sovereign nation

What kind of sovereignty of Ukraine are you talking about??? At least since 2014, Ukraine has not been a sovereign state (and maybe even earlier). This is no longer a state, but a project! How can any territory be sovereign if none of the decisions are made independently by the head of the project. For any movement or activity, he has to call Washington or London! All military activities are paid for from abroad, the project has no money or they are simply stolen as they arrive. There is no history, culture, or language in your supposedly sovereign state. Everything is destroyed! They abandoned everything! The lands, resources and all remnants of industry are sold to the owners from over the "puddle". And the rest of the territory itself is being called and considered just a military training ground.

Burgerland

 If we didn't send weapons more Ukrainians will die."

Nonsense. Ceasefire documents were ready to be signed in Istanbul until BoJo flew in to sabotage the talks.

Yes, because the Russian deal was not a serious deal:

According to Zelensky, the ultimatum also demanded Ukraine recognize Russian occupation authorities in Donbas, change its constitution to commit to "neutrality," shrink its army to 50,000 troops, give up much of its weapon arsenal, and recognize Russian as an official language of Ukraine.

Russia wanted to install pro-Kremlin oligarch Viktor Medvedchuk as Ukraine's president after forcing President Volodymyr Zelensky to step down, the Ukrainian head of state said on Jan. 22, citing a Kremlin ultimatum he received in the early days of the full-scale war.

Putin is not serious about peace. So while he isn't, we send weapons.

Primusinter

invading a sovereign nation

What kind of sovereignty of Ukraine are you talking about??? At least since 2014, Ukraine has not been a sovereign state (and maybe even earlier).

It most certainly is a state.

This is no longer a state, but a project! How can any territory be sovereign if none of the decisions are made independently by the head of the project. For any movement or activity, he has to call Washington or London! All military activities are paid for from abroad, the project has no money or they are simply stolen as they arrive. There is no history, culture, or language in your supposedly sovereign state. Everything is destroyed! They abandoned everything! The lands, resources and all remnants of industry are sold to the owners from over the "puddle". And the rest of the territory itself is being called and considered just a military training ground.

Wow, what a wild conspiracy theory. Wild.