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If the Tories do not replace the hapless Sunak soon, they will be annihilated by Labour in the general election. He is barely as popular as Liz Truss was.

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Fighto!Today  09:35 am JST

If the Tories do not replace the hapless Sunak soon, they will be annihilated by Labour in the general election. He is barely as popular as Liz Truss was.

They seem to be forming a consensus that getting rid of Sunak now will make them look even more divided and useless, and lead to an even bigger drubbing than they're already going to get.

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If the Tories do not replace the hapless Sunak soon, they will be annihilated by Labour in the general election

Replace him with whom? Not too much talent left on the bench.

I can’t imagine a fourth PM in a matter of a few years will give the impression of a stable or competent government.

I think they just need to be in opposition now. They’ve had a disastrous time since winning in 2019. Time for a change.

The London mayoral election result, when Labour's Sadiq Khan is expected to win a record third term, is also due then.

Speculation that the Khan camp are worried about this result. Low turnout.

Have to wait and see.

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JimizoToday  10:00 am JST

"If the Tories do not replace the hapless Sunak soon, they will be annihilated by Labour in the general election"

Replace him with whom? Not too much talent left on the bench.

There was speculation about Penny Mordaunt but that idea's been pretty much ridiculed, not least because she might lose her seat too.

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There was speculation about Penny Mordaunt but that idea's been pretty much ridiculed, not least because she might lose her seat too.

Yes. I would imagine hugely motivated tactical voting to see a Prime Minister lose her seat.

Some even saying being Johnson back. He got himself back in the news for not bringing any photo ID to vote.

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JimizoToday  10:48 am JST

Some even saying being Johnson back. 

I imagine those people have probably been reading too much of the stuff written by his gammon chums at The Daily Mail. He'd need to get re-elected first and I wouldn't be too surprised if he ran for a seat, even a safe Tory one, and lost.

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Replace him with whom? Not too much talent left on the bench.

David Cameron? I know he's in the Lords, but there is precedent I think. Safer pair of hands.

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Fighto!Today  11:47 am JST

"Replace him with whom? Not too much talent left on the bench."

David Cameron? I know he's in the Lords, but there is precedent I think.

Indeed there is but I don't see the Tories bucking the general trend, especially not in this case.

Safer pair of hands.

He took a huge gamble with the referendum to shut up the Tory Europhobes and lost, inflicting the UK with Brexit, and then he quit rather than try to deal with the mess he'd made. Not sure many will agree he's a safe pair of hands.

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Cameron caused Brexit.

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David Cameron? I know he's in the Lords, but there is precedent I think. Safer pair of hands.

Yesterday’s man. Bolted out of Downing Street after granting a referendum he didn’t want to lose.

If only the Tories had a dynamic character like Taro Aso, eh? The man you described as the envy of western democracies could salvage something here.

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JimizoToday  12:01 pm JST

If only the Tories had a dynamic character like Taro Aso, eh? The man you described as the envy of western democracies could salvage something here.

The envy of western politicians, I think. I bet they all wish they had opponents like him in their own countries to run against. Even Sunak could probably manage it.

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Cameron was hauled back in because they’d already been through the A, B, C, and even D-listers left on the benches.

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JimizoToday  12:16 pm JST

Cameron was hauled back in because they’d already been through the A, B, C, and even D-listers left on the benches.

Which benches? I don't think he exactly got into the Lords on merit.

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No surprises for the conservatives.

Prime Minster Rishi Sunak leadership, the fact that his own grass roots party failed to be convinced that he is fit for high office, reflected in these local elections.

The warning signs were present through Sunak term as Chancellor when he systematically failed to carry out due diligence when a pandemic struck. the subsequent tax rises in budgets was significant, total Covid spending topped £400b.

Sunak government losing 461 seats, are on course for a unprecedented local election beasting.

Call Boris Johnson all the names under the sun, however with all his faults he knew how to win elections.

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Simon Foston, there is one saving grace, the polls, are wildly out of kilter when comparisons are made with turn out rates, its the spread across labour holds/gains, need to wait until all the seats are declared.

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Call Boris Johnson all the names under the sun, however with all his faults he knew how to win elections.

Obviously knew how to appeal to certain types of voters but that show is over. Nadine Dorries is still a cheerleader which tells you a lot.

Collapsed under the weight of its own dishonesty, corruption and incompetence.

Good riddance to it.

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Cameron caused Brexit.

Brexit was the dumbest move I've ever seen the UK make (and was supported, generally, by the uneducated there) but without putting it to referendum, the pro-Brexit forces would have kept agitating - and possibly grown bigger out of resentment.

If Cameron had denied the referendum, Brexit would have become an even bigger cause célèbre and made the buffoon Farage even bigger.

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Boris was a liar a cheat and a failed PM, just like all the others in recent times. Five since Cameron.

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Jimizo, Boris Johnson politically is unpredictable, I wonder if the electorate has seen the last of that blond buffoon.

Fighto!, will never be in UK interests joined to a federal European superstate. Not economically or politically.

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If Cameron had denied the referendum, Brexit would have become an even bigger cause célèbre and made the buffoon Farage even bigger.

Farage is a soulmate of Trump, a man you also described as the envy of western democracies. They are on the same page on most issues - Trump was a vocal supporter of Brexit.

Anyway, there has been some pressure on Starmer to campaign on rejoining the EU given how public opinion is increasingly seeing Brexit as the disaster it is. If Labour were behind in the polls, they might have had a punt on that.

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Fighto!, will never be in UK interests joined to a federal European superstate. Not economically or politically.

Politically, maybe.

Economically the UK is sinking since Brexit and will continue to do so. They are desperately trying to sign piecemeal deals all over the place - including one which bizarrely pretends that they are now part of the Asia-Pacific!

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Fighto!, will never be in UK interests joined to a federal European superstate. Not economically or politically.

Public opinion seems to be growing that leaving the EU was a huge mistake.

The defenders of leaving are finding the answer to ‘what have been the benefits of Brexit?’ increasingly difficult to answer.

Even Farage is fumbling around on that one and he’s a pretty good shyster.

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Fighto! I think an economic partnership of sorts in future is feasible. Its the rules based treaty obligations stipulations of EU member states/parliament/commission that well need convincing.

Also global political/economic powerbases keep shifting.

These UK local elections results so far are indicative the electorate wants change.

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I think if Labour wins it's only because no one wants the Tories anymore.

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I think if Labour wins it's only because no one wants the Tories anymore

Yes, Starmer isn’t exactly inspiring and the policy platform as far as we know is hardly transformational.

Then again, he deserves some credit for uniting the party and he cones across as pretty competent.

That would be a welcome change.

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The timing of an election could also depend on the health of the King Charles. Today, it was reported he is more seriously ill than what is being said. Was he diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer, and given 2 years to live?

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itsonlyrocknrollToday  01:51 pm JST

Simon Foston, there is one saving grace, the polls, are wildly out of kilter when comparisons are made with turn out rates, its the spread across labour holds/gains, need to wait until all the seats are declared.

...?

I was talking about David Cameron, if Sunak might get toppled and if so who might replace him. I haven't commented on polls, turn out rates or how well Labour has performed.

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wallaceToday  02:41 pm JST

I think if Labour wins it's only because no one wants the Tories anymore. 

That's often the way it is. Opposition parties can't really do much without any power, so elections are pretty much ruling parties' to lose.

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itsonlyrocknrollToday  01:39 pm JST

Call Boris Johnson all the names under the sun, however with all his faults he knew how to win elections.

He was just lucky to have Jeremy Corbyn as his opponent in 2019.

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“The Conservatives were on track to lose around half the nearly 1,000 seats they were defending.”

Well deserved too.

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Simon Foston

I jumped the gun, unless Rishi Sunak personally decides to stand down, in all likelihood he will lead the conservative party into the next General election.

My thoughts are focused on the results from these local elections in comparison to published data from the pollsters. the random sampling error

Boris Johnson may have been fortunate in respect to labours Jeremy Corbyn.

However when Theresa May/Jeremy Corbyn 2017 there is a similar pre/post analysis statistic margin of error.

Enough to predict the 2024 election results in a hung parliament.

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itsonlyrocknrollToday  03:21 pm JST

Boris Johnson may have been fortunate in respect to labours Jeremy Corbyn.

However when Theresa May/Jeremy Corbyn 2017 there is a similar pre/post analysis statistic margin of error.

Very different situation. Theresa May was a bit of an uninspiring character who didn't make the best of a difficult job. People still hadn't gone off Corbyn like they would later.

Enough to predict the 2024 election results in a hung parliament.

The Tories weren't as widely loathed in 2017 and they'd only been in power for seven years, and Keir Starmer has been more effective than Jeremy Corbyn.

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after making huge gains in English polls

Have the gains for Labour been so huge? Current numbers in the council elections (from 102 out of 107 councils) show the Tories have lost 448 seats while Labour has gained 173. Other big gains - LibDems: 101, Greens: 65, Independents: 92.

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Bob FosseToday  03:05 pm JST

“The Conservatives were on track to lose around half the nearly 1,000 seats they were defending.”

Well deserved too.

Well, it looks a bit like local councillors are taking the fall for the parliamentary party's screw-ups.

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Apologies if the numbers I posted above are wrong. I took them from the BBC, but I just noticed different numbers on the Guardian's web site.

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Well, it looks a bit like local councillors are taking the fall for the parliamentary party's screw-ups.

Too bad. Choose better friends.

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Bob FosseMay 4  08:07 pm JST

"Well, it looks a bit like local councillors are taking the fall for the parliamentary party's screw-ups."

Too bad. Choose better friends.

Hard to argue with that, not that I feel at all inclined to. It's a pity a few of the MPs weren't also getting kicked out though.

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The Mayor of London Sadiq Khan won his election for a historical third time, defeating conservative candidate Susan Hall.

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