Labour predicted to rout Sunak's Conservatives as Britain goes to polls

HELLO Labour, GoodBye Consrv.

14 years is way more than enough.

Japan NEXT!!? , time for new idea's, new faces, FRESH start.

Maybe they will abolish the monarchy,the British have always been dysfunction

Some polls showing the Tories might do slightly better than what people thought about a week ago with them gaining a bit at Reform’s expense.

The worst polls for Sunak show a possibility of the LibDems being the largest opposition party.

Maybe they will abolish the monarchy

Very unlikely you see.

Billionaires never make good national leaders as they are too busy counting their gains and profits.

Well, golly gosh gee.... a day or so before the right wing boosters on this forum were cheering the "rebirth " of the far right in Euro countries.

{Remains to be seen actually }

Well, what happened.

UK people voting for a normal, decent outcome, not scared of migrants and their own shadows

Voting on the 4th of July, the British obviously knew this date ,set the stage for the crumbling of the British empire,they do not even teach this in their school Google 4 of July In Britain

Keir Starmer is predicted UK today, to become the next Prime Minster, with what has been reported an unprecedented historic super majority.  

The respected independent institute of fiscal studies has been scathing of both Tories and Labour on a conspiracy of silence.

Labour Party manifesto: an initial response

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/labour-party-manifesto-initial-response

Yes, growth could surprise on the upside – and if it does, then the fiscal arithmetic would be easier. But if it doesn’t – and it hasn’t tended to in recent years – then either we will get those cuts, or the fiscal targets will be fudged, or taxes will rise.

The top-ups of £5 billion or so to day-to-day spending in the manifesto mostly pay for additional promises for the NHS and schools, rather than significantly reducing the scale of implied cuts to spending on unprotected public services.

Like the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats, Labour continues in a conspiracy of silence on the difficulties they would face. These challenges are already perfectly clear. The books are open.

A post-election routine of shock-and-horror at the state of the public finances will not cut it.

On taxation, on any future EU relationship, on the costs NHS reforms, on the costs of elderly social caret, on their pensions.

Silence on the costs of education school classroom improvement, on transport, the cost of car ownership for families that are dependent on ferrying elderly relatives to hospital appointments.

On essential reforms of agricultural subsidies for family own farming communities.  

Nothing just a constant stream of waffle.

Today the UK electorate will, for the first time take part in a political form of ballot box Russian roulette.

Some predicting the largest amount of tactical voting in any UK election.

Quite a few big Tory names could go here.

I’d love to see Rees-Mogg go.

Mordaunt, Hunt, Badenoch, Truss and even Sunak himself have been targeted. Can’t see them all losing their seats. Hunt and Mordaunt look the most vulnerable.

Would be very entertaining to watch but if that happens, who’d be left to lead them?

The "economic recovery" that Sunak speaks of is an economic forecast to grow at a 0.5% rate by the IMF.

Labour government would hike taxes, hamper economic recovery

When there are really only 2 sides to choose from, is it truly a democracy or just the best of two bad choices!?

My only concern is my UK family farming business that is essential to the local community.

Also the people, families from across Europe and beyond, a workforce that built the Brighton business.

Many became UK citizens, brought into the UK way of life, purchased homes, are now face facing the serious financial aftermath of a devastating Pandemic.

Any additional taxation, especially local taxation will be the last straw that broke the camel's back.

That grin on Starmer's face will be wiped off when he gets what he lusts after and when Karma demands its pound of his flesh during his years in office. A person with a vile record in public office that has been airbrushed out by the PR spin-doctors who have successfully pulled the wool over the eyes of millions. Another fine mess awaits the weary British people.

Today the UK electorate will, for the first time take part in a political form of ballot box Russian roulette.

Every election as far as I can remember.

The last one had people in the north of England gambling on Boris Johnson’s promise of ‘leveling up’.

A majority played Russian Roulette with Brexit and blew their brains out.

Elections, eh?

The number of immigrants crossing in boats across the English Channel is less than 10% of the total. Immigrants are needed for farmer workers and other vacancies like care workers in old people's homes.

The drum of the Tory death roll is banging louder, and louder. Sunak is a dead man walking.

SanjinosebleedToday  09:35 am JST

When there are really only 2 sides to choose from, is it truly a democracy or just the best of two bad choices!?

It would be properly democratic if there were just two parties in every constituency, as was originally the case, as the winner would have a majority of the votes. First-past-the-post ceases to be democratic when there's a lot of small parties and the winner no longer needs 51% of the votes. It's a pity people voted against replacing FPTP with the AV system a few years ago.

People want change, Jimizo, well that's is the message I seem to be hearing from every quarter.

Any change.

However Europe is in a political vortex possibly moving in another direction.

The US could follow.

UK, could have had, if managed in a smart stealthy wait and see, non combative, new approach to the methodology behind withdrawal from the EU.

The whole sorry sage degenerated into sovereignty driven, boat people/immigrants lunacy.

Both political and economic.

The negotiation were left to factions associated with Beavis and Butt-Head.

There will be political blood spilled today at the ballot box.

Farage will possibly win his first seat in Clacton.

If so, he better rise to the occasion, or face the consequences.

So much for the Putinist dream of a right wing wave.

WoodyLeeToday  08:45 am JST

Japan NEXT!!?

No, sadly

, time for new idea's, new faces, FRESH start..

True, but no other party in Japan has as much history, name recognition, funding or grassroots support as the LDP. That means no other party can field enough candidates to get anything like the majority Labour is expected to win.

I would like to see Reform pick up some seats, but worry that their votes may be spread too thinly across the population rather than concentrated in certain seats, which would increase their chances. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but in any case the utter contempt the Tories had for the public has condemned the country to at least 5 years of Labor rule.

A person with a vile record in public office that has been airbrushed out by the PR spin-doctors

Often you are a poster to be listened to, u_s__reamer, but can you elaborate here? I'd hate to think we had lost you down a rabbit hole. You are talking about Starmer, right? I mean, what could he have done that would trump the totally inept Tories?

"We have developed the most incredible culture and civilization. The rest of the world is very jealous of what we are, of who are are, of what we achieved."

That's a direct quote of Nigel Farage, speaking to a UK audience yesterday. If you believe the above about the United Kingdom, please upvote this comment. If you don't, please downvote it. I am especially interested how "very jealous" those of you from "the rest of the world" are.

Here's a YouGov poll, saying that a full 5% of people intending to vote Labour "agree with their policies". 61% either want to "get the Tories out" or think "the country needs a change", both of which are judgements of the current government. In its campaign Labour has actually moved all of its policies toward those of this government. Unlike Obama, it is not even offering a lip-service slogan version of "change".

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1808458226142196083

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kohakuebisu

Nigel Farage offers an a political "pied piper" rhetorical world of illusion that simply does not exist.

Farage is a skilled public speaker .

However populism has a long way to go to offer sustainable policies for working families, for small businesses, for a future beyond the blame game of everybody else fault that will never offer solutions.

'Our culture is directly under THREAT' Nigel Farage SLAMS mass immigration to ROARING crowd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4XEwb2WXd0

Nigel Farage has convinced himself, he will be the "opposition" to Labour in office.

How many reform candidates can you name?

It is a fair question.

I am especially interested how "very jealous" those of you from "the rest of the world" are.

Not sure how many people from the rest of the world you will get on a pretty niche article about the politics of a small and increasingly irrelevant country, kohakuebisu. I am sure there will be plenty of patriotic Brits though, living in the past, imagining the Spitfire and the Beatles. And they will downvote this comment too.

Well, golly gosh gee.... a day or so before the right wing boosters on this forum were cheering the "rebirth " of the far right in Euro countries.

You misunderstand. Sunak and his party are not conservatives. The Tory party ceased being conservative quite some time ago. I hope they are absolutely obliterated in the election.

That grin on Starmer's face will be wiped off when he gets what he lusts after and when Karma demands its pound of his flesh during his years in office. A person with a vile record in public office that has been airbrushed out by the PR spin-doctors who have successfully pulled the wool over the eyes of millions. Another fine mess awaits the weary British people.

Agreed.

I would like to see Reform pick up some seats

You were saying they were likely to be the main opposition party the other day.

Who told you that?

Farage looks like he’s got a good chance in Clacton and Labour/Conservative/Reform 30p Lee might do okay. A few others have a shot.

Some Reform candidates dropped out due to what they described as rampant racism and homophobia in the party. A recent appalling comment about autistic people from a Reform member didn’t go down well either. Farage’s comments about Putin’s invasion were at best ill-advised.

Not the best run-in to the election from them.

 In its campaign Labour has actually moved all of its policies toward those of this government. Unlike Obama, it is not even offering a lip-service slogan version of "change".

Fair criticism.

Labour have said they’ll basically stick to Tory spending controls and the ‘changes’ aren’t going to amount to much.

A less corrupt, incompetent and stable administration is the ‘change’?

Hardly inspiring.

no matter who win the election, the time you choosed the brexit in 2016, that was the ending time already

Nigel Farage, UKIP elected to European Parliament from 1994 to spend his time hissing and booing instead of using his MEP status to reform the establishment.

Farage could have built a coalition of like minded, to separate the political, economic, the over reaching CAP regulatory budgetary (common agricultural policy) frame work, to hold back expansion.

Farage instead wanted to dismantle the whole European Union.

It was a fools errand.

Now 2024, Farage UK, is again like a politically weather vane bent/stuck in one direction, unable to compromise, to bring forward smart alternatives.

Tony Blair influence to this new labour government is in the here and now.

Blair has the political skin of a velociraptor, and the cunning political predatory stealth skills to match.

Trust me you will never sense Tony Blair coming, until it is to late.

King Tony is only a matter of time.

A bit of bingo is good fun:

https://x.com/janeygodley/status/1808532643350253902?s=46&t=2cgM68useCIAD0Jdcn4nkQ

Starmer is campaigning on "change", but what sort of change? Sucking up his Tory-lite snake-oil will leave a bitter after-taste when the punters are rudely awakened to find themselves once again between a rock and a hard place experiencing post-election tristesse and a whopping hangover from the false hope of their "democratic" Hobson's choice. Blue Austerity Redux is waiting under Starmer's pink cloak provided by his donors.

MoonrakerToday  12:01 pm JST

I am sure there will be plenty of patriotic Brits though, living in the past, imagining the Spitfire and the Beatles. And they will downvote this comment too.

I think the idea was to downvote if you disagree with Nigel Farage and those kinds of people probably wouldn't

u_s__reamer

The government Keir Starmer in on course to govern, is not totally of his own "mirror mirror on the wall who is premier of them all".

There are some miscreant "women" in the back ground soon to rain on Keirs parade make adjustments to labours behavioural patterns in government.

I see what you mean u_s__reamer. And largely agree. His "change" seems almost imperceptible. I thought you might have had more juicy to add on Starmer's "vile record in public office."

I think the idea was to downvote if you disagree with Nigel Farage and those kinds of people probably wouldn't

And, Simon, I was saying these patriotic Brits would downvote my post. As is proving to be the case. I understand what they should do on kohakuebisu's post.

Recent polls show the main reason people are voting Labour is "to boot tories out"... I mean what a powerful platform to launch the next labour government from /s

You were saying they were likely to be the main opposition party the other day. 

Who told you that? 

I said could be. Nobody knows until the results come in.

> Some Reform candidates dropped out due to what they described as rampant racism and homophobia in the party. A recent appalling comment about autistic people from a Reform member didn’t go down well either. Farage’s comments about Putin’s invasion were at best ill-advised.

Reform has cleaned out a few loose cannons, and the Tories seem to have gotten to a few candidates who weren't that committed to Reform after all. Maybe they fell for that scam Channel 4 tried to pull last week by getting an actor to say some unsavoury things in an attempt to discredit the party.

Bad HaircutToday  03:31 pm JST

Maybe they fell for that scam Channel 4 tried to pull last week by getting an actor to say some unsavoury things in an attempt to discredit the party.

Who says it was a scam pulled by Channel 4? Oh yes - Reform UK. Must be right then.

You were saying they were likely to be the main opposition party the other day. 

Who told you that? 

I said could be. Nobody knows until the results come in.

You said likely to.

Who told you that?

You said likely to.

Show me. If I did, then I did. No big deal.

I head my right-wing podcasters talking about it. Ya know, the ones you condescendingly sneer at with no justification whatsoever.

Who says it was a scam pulled by Channel 4

People outside Reform, but obviously its supporters, have been digging into the background of the actor involved.

You said likely to.

Show me. If I did, then I did. No big deal

Okay. You posted:

Reform are emerging as the likely main opposition party in the next Parliament

Who told you this?

I head my right-wing podcasters talking about it.

Sounds about right.

Sounds about right.

Sounds like that sneer again. Thing is, how you yo manage to sneer upwards from your lofty position in the gutter?

Sounds about right.

Sounds like that sneer again

I’m just asking who told you Reform are likely to form the main opposition to Labour in the next parliament.

Just share the link. I really want to understand the reasoning behind this prediction.

It’s a very unusual one.

Bad HaircutToday  05:05 pm JST

People outside Reform, but obviously its supporters, have been digging into the background of the actor involved.

Ofcom have also looked into this and found no grounds for launching an investigation into Channel 4.

Maybe they will abolish the monarchy

Are you high? There will always be at least five kings in Europe: The king of Hearts, The King of Spades, The King of Clubs, The King of Diamonds and The King of The United Kingdom - dysfunction has served us well for a fair long time.

Ofcom have also looked into this and found no grounds for launching an investigation into Channel 4.

Oh dear! What does Forage have to say about that? Won't it just be the establishment out to get him? I mean, we have heard all that kind of paranoia before from many populists. It's part of the arsenal and appeal - outsiders against the system on behalf of the people whom they secretly despise.

YrralToday  09:21 am JST

Voting on the 4th of July, the British obviously knew this date ,set the stage for the crumbling of the British empire

The British Empire was larger and more powerful in 1876 than it was in 1776. What crumbling?

,they do not even teach this in their school

You think they don't teach anything about a war Britain fought in? Wow. I remember all those history classes all wrong.

Google 4 of July In Britain

Have you?

People outside Reform, but obviously its supporters, have been digging into the background of the actor involved.

Ofcom have also looked into this and found no grounds for launching an investigation into Channel 4.

Ofcom, like the BBC, are ivory tower left-wing types who despise Reform, so it's a foregone conclusion that they would dismiss it.

Bad HaircutJuly 4  09:17 pm JS

Ofcom, like the BBC, are ivory tower left-wing types who despise Reform, so it's a foregone conclusion that they would dismiss it.

Are they now. Who exactly are they, do you know?

@itsonlytockandroll

Farage instead wanted to dismantle the whole European Union.

.

Got a link for that?