Lam says Chinese military could step in if uprising gets bad

Now she's being the bullying dictator and CCP puppet that she really is. Her true colors are shining now and they are UGLY!!!

Here comes the third act of this story. We'll see how far each side is willing to go. Fingers crossed for safety.

so everything happening in HK is not bad so far in her eyes ?? i don't understand what the hell she wants

Sadly its turning out to be true as I suspected after the initial HKG turnover to mainland commie govt HKG as we had known are gone, likely to never return, I hope I am wrong, feel for the people, especially the young who see their way of life not so slowly DISAPPERAING!

How not to fix something that wasn't even broken in the first place. China's rancid fingers have the anti-Midas touch on societies.

Sadly the World would not dare to "fight" (doesn't mean war) for small HK against big China as China is an Important trade partner and would be a very dangerous enemy same like russia when they took over the Krim.

And as sad as it is, everyone knows that HK will "fall" sooner or later.

This is going to get ugly before it gets better.

Sadly the World would not dare to "fight" (doesn't mean war) for small HK against big China as China is an Important trade partner and would be a very dangerous enemy same like russia when they took over the Krim.

And as sad as it is, everyone knows that HK will "fall" sooner or later.

I’m not so sure about that. China could try, but if they do what they did in 1989 the world is a much different and more connected place and with instant media access, the mainland knows it can’t control that and China likes to control everything, it would get out of hand so fast and if they were to take over HK in a violent way, a lot of countries would leave that market and China knows that, this is why they’re holding back. HK will definitely fall, but if it’s going to be now in the foreseeable future....no one knows.

Hong Kong: PRC man, I don't wanna be in your club anymore, sorry.

PRC: WAAAAAH! NO! I will beat you up if you try to leave! (cry)

The comments prove how unreflected people support democracy. Protesting is fine. But the moment you protest with violence, you violate against the very ideals you fight for. In this sense, she is right to use military to suppress violence with violence.

Hong Kong's "One country, two systems" is like Hotel California - You can check out any time you like but you can never leave! I think by now the people of HK have simply had it with Lam's ever worsening room service and Beijing's badass management and so now they would prefer to run the establishment by themselves, as an independent enclave like Singapore. Beijing is signalling that it will only accept a makeover of the premises on their terms, but if they persist in their rough and rude treatment of the local population, Hong Kong will end up like a Chinese Fawlty Towers.

look at that happy face in the photo...

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how surprising is this? even protesters in Hong Kong know that if things get ugly mainland China will get it done. ugly, unfair, irritating, but inevitable. just like one of those never ending games.

But the moment you protest with violence, you violate against the very ideals you fight for.

Incorrect. There are times when the people have no choice but to use violence to fight for democracy or they are trampled upon by the authorities and lose their rights.

when the people have no choice

History has shown countless times that bloodshed causes nothing but more bloodshed.

re from article" She said seeking Chinese intervention was provided for under Hong Kong's constitution but that she cannot reveal under what circumstances she will do so."

It is not up to her but what XI wants done. She is an appointed Chinese puppet nothing more and China is not holding up to the signed agreement of a one-country 2 party system. HK should annex itself as Taiwan. The blame lies solely on China who won't commit to any agreements they have signed. This can easily be escalated down by China removing their puppet and allow an elected member from HK take her place. Aside that the HK people have no choice but to fight for their rights to survive or continue their way of life.

Carrie Lam is certainly a blinkered puppet of the Chinese government.

How can she support a regime that has banned Winnie the Pooh?????

By all means protest, but the police should use all their powers to stop the RIOTING.

One of the very fundamental principles of democracy is the protection of human's dignity. If causing bloodshed is "sometimes necessary" to realize democratic values, then democracy itself should be questioned, as violence also leads to "trampling" on human's dignity.

Starpunk:

How often does national guard get sent in to quell protest and riots? Definitely not a fan of the Chinese govt, but MLK and Ghandi may have been a better model for protesters.

I really would like to know what all of you '' violent riots need to be dealt with, even if that means military interference '' commenters suggest the Hong Kong rioters should do in this case. I would REALLY like to know. Just succumb to China and their laws? Is that it?

I have only one statement which is from New Hampshire's state motto and I really like this, "Live free or die".

Rot10: What do you do when you disagree with some of your governments laws? So you riot and attack the police and bystanders? Do you vandalise public and private buildings and attack journalists?

Cliffy:  "Live free or die". Living free does not mean that everyone can do as they please. No nation in the world interprets living free as the right of every individual to ignore the law. Living free also has responsibilities.

Of course the government in China isn't interested in resolving this in a way that benefits Democracy and makes both sides happy, they want to crush all freedom in Hong Kong PERIOD. The people of Hong Kong should continue protesting against the unfair system that is slowly taking hold in Hong Kong and the rest of mainland China should stand with them to protest against the corrupt leadership in Beijing as well as the removal of tyrant Xi Jinping and his puppet Carrie Lam.

Freedom of speech, freedom of thoughts, freedom of protest, freedom to voice your objection against the governments, not self imposed censorship. Perhaps, if I reply with South Park's quote would be more liking to the wu mao, "Like the NBA, we welcome the Chinese censors into our homes and into our hearts. We too love money more than freedom and democracy. Xi doesn’t look just like Winnie the Pooh at all. Tune into our 300th episode this Wednesday at 10! Long live the Great Communist Party of China! May this autumn’s sorghum harvest be bountiful! We good now China?"

The HK problems are from within. The violent unlawful people are few. They are so provocative because they have support from powerful organizations and govt itself. The HK govt is too weak, so divided, they can't tell the difference between wrong and right, they can't make up mind and cut the cancer tissues off the govt body. No one should above the laws, people should go to jail for criminal acts. Rule of law is democracy, democracy isn't against laws. Without laws there would be no democracy. The govt is law enforcer, and if you fail to do that, you fail to protect people and you fail to protect the true democracy.

Before the law, everyone should be the same. No age difference, no gender difference, no poor or rich, no officials or citizens. If you are a legislator, you will be arrested for breaking laws, if you are a reporter, you will be arrested for breaking laws, if you are a judge, you will be arrested for breaking laws, if you are a teacher, you will be arrested for breaking laws.

"freedom of protest, freedom to voice your objection against the governments,".

What about freedom to riot, destroy public and private infrastructure, assault police.

If you feel your government is not doing enough to support HK, why not start rioting as your advocating?

History has shown countless times that bloodshed causes nothing but more bloodshed.

The Chinese KMT fighting against Imperial Japan caused bloodshed. But it was for the good of mankind as it helped slow the spread of an evil system that held countless of people hostage to slavery and brutality.

The Allies landing in Normandy to destroy Nazi Germany caused a lot of death, pain and bloodshed. But it ultimately stopped the systematic extermination and victimization of innocent people who's only crime to the world was being different.

Look, i'm not saying you're necessarily wrong about some countries being worse off from escalating violence on both sides. But sometimes violence is necessary as it's the only way to resist against dictators and the Chinese Communist party.

Cliffy, the freedom of 1.4 billion people is the mother of all freedoms on this planet, as simple as that.

Cliffy, the freedom of 1.4 billion people is the mother of all freedoms on this planet, as simple as that.

Why not give them the freedom to vote for leaders of their choice?

Carrie Lam can solve this today.

The central committee-elected, Beijing approved, installed leaders of Hong Kong need to step down.

Simple.

There is a reason that national military people aren't used inside their own countries.

Jimizo, do I have to answer your question ? If yes, then check the support and voice of 1.4 billion people, published on more than 200 different publications. They will definitely don't support your leaders.

Jimizo: "Why not give them the freedom to vote for leaders of their choice?"

Some nations have a "college" voting system where the majority of the voters still don't get the leader the they vote for.

Jimizo, do I have to answer your question ? If yes, then check the support and voice of 1.4 billion people, published on more than 200 different publications.

So why not give them the freedom to vote for leaders of their choice?

I’d hazard a guess that the Uighurs for a start may not be in that chorus of approval.

The democracy concept seems too abstract for some people.

Not worth an argument!

Open Minded: "The democracy concept seems too abstract for some people."

Your right; too many people thing that democracy is just the right to vote and forget. They think that just voting and then giving their government cart blanche is democracy - vote and forget mentality.

the freedom of 1.4 billion....

Total world population is 7.53 billion (2017). So, 1.4 is only about 18%. Besides, no one is stopping them for having their own freedom. They can have their own version of freedom and the rest of the world can have its own idea of freedom. Differences makes things colorful and interesting.

Jimizo: "there are no perfect systems". Neither is HK a perfect system.

"even that system is better than having no vote at all." The citizens of HK do have a vote - check.

SekkenisgoodToday 06:18 pm JST

when the people have no choice

History has shown countless times that bloodshed causes nothing but more bloodshed.

History actually shows that it has always been the only solution to get back democracy from the hands of tyranny.

rlperez@hotmail.com.auToday 10:45 pm JST

"even that system is better than having no vote at all." The citizens of HK do have a vote - check.

Could you remind us how the chief executive is elected?

Eppee: Google or lookup the voting system in HK, they do have one. As I said and as Jimizo said, " there are no perfect systems, but even that system is better than having no vote at all."

Can anyone denies that a significant portion of the Hong Kong people are not happy with the current political situation in Hong Kong?

So what is she threatening. Military intervention, Internet controls, a future police state with no real democracy. Not exactly very appealing. No wonder they want to protest.

Free Hong Kong. America has pledged to defend Taiwan from chinese aggression, it should also defend Hong Kong in its hour of need. China is an appalling country, the world would be so much better if they didn't exist.

Carrie Lam needs to stop lying. The HK administration aren't interested in solving this themselves. They are allowing the triads to attack protesters. They are allowing the the brutalisation of Hong Kongers by the Chinese PLA who are posing as police officers.

She is nothing more than a puppet for the CCP!

KariHaruka: "the police brutality that is being inflicted onto the Hong Kongers!"

And the brutality of HKs RIOTERS on police officers, bystanders, and journalists.

The only thing PCC does not want to see is peaceful protests because it could propagate into China mainland.

This is why I am quite convinced most of the peaceful marches requests are rejected and a minimum of mess has to be maintained to serves the CCTV narrative.

Difference is Taiwan has people, a military and government (and various allies) willing to defend's it's democracy.

Despite what some people have said, Hong Kongers have been pretty peaceful considering how they've been treated. Besides, they have every right to be violent towards the police. What else would you do if hundreds of people were using pepper spray, shooting rubber bullets/live rounds at you?

I have only one statement which is from New Hampshire's state motto and I really like this, "Live free or die".

@Cliffy - I highly doubt if you and your loved ones were given the choice: Live in China (Vietnam, Cuba, etc) or die, that you would choose death for all.

It's much easier to be a keyboard warrior.

China is an appalling country, the world would be so much better if they didn't exist.

This comment ranks right up there in dumbness. I hope you mean the CCP and not China (a civilization having a few thousand years of history). If China didn't exists, almost all of the people populating present day HK, Taiwan, Macau, Singapore, etc wouldn't exist. Same for ethnic Chinese people in Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam, Peru, US, Indonesia, etc.

Why not give them the freedom to vote for leaders of their choice?

Did you also posted this question during all those years of British rule (aka Hong Kongers weren't allowed to vote for their governors)?

And by 'the Chinese military could step in', she means the Chinese military can take off the Hong Kong police uniforms they've been wearing. Anyone who believes that they aren't already there is deluding themselves.

 i don't understand what the hell she wants

She wants what all Socialist forms of government want from the people. Compliance.

Now I know why star trek has the prime directive. Leaving another country alone would never happen in the real world. It's fun to pretend.

The Chinese Government should have been stepped in a month ago. The demonstrators are more and more using violent and destructive behavior every day. The only peoples who economically lost are Hong Kong peoples. They know there's no freedom or independence from the China and Hong Kong is territory of China. There's no point to use violent and destructive behavior to get freedom from China.

Did you also posted this question during all those years of British rule (aka Hong Kongers weren't allowed to vote for their governors)?

No, because the Internet wasn't widely available to the public then.

She wants what all Socialist forms of government want from the people. Compliance.

Someone isn't aware of the freedoms enjoyed by socialist countries in Europe.

The Chinese Government should have been stepped in a month ago. The demonstrators are more and more using violent and destructive behavior every day. The only peoples who economically lost are Hong Kong peoples. They know there's no freedom or independence from the China and Hong Kong is territory of China. There's no point to use violent and destructive behavior to get freedom from China.

There you have it folks. Posters pushing for the oppression of the people of HK, and the denial of their freedoms that the poster enjoys himself, living in Australia.

Fight people of HK! 1.4 billion Chinese people whose voices have been silenced are standing with you. Winnie the Xi knows it, and he's scared. Between America destroying their economy, and the HKs destroying their semblance of control, they are scared. This is how the Soviet Union collapsed - too much instability that the government couldn't control.

If the Chinese are lucky, the CCP will collapse, and not just the people of HK, but ALL Chinese people can gain freedom from the oppressive CCP, and Winnie the Xi, the dictator overlord for life.

Nowegianbpyee:

But the KMT was weakened by fighting the imperial Japanese Army therefore paving the way for the communist Chinese army to push them out to Taiwan, and to institute communism in China, become the successor to the empire of China by UK to receive hong kong...and here we are.

Also, had the US not involved itself in the European theatre in ww2, there would be much more incentive to create the EU into a federation like the US and canada (Germany would have still lost just by shere iziocy).

By all means protest, but the police should use all their powers to stop the RIOTING.

No. The police should cross over and help the protesters. They all live in Hong Kong too.

Lam needs to go.

If this website were hosted in mainland China, how many of these comments would have been mandated to be removed by govt censors?

Hint: all of them. The story would have been removed.

China just had its 70th anniversary of Communist rule. Did you see the disgusting photo of those lady soldiers goose-stepping, carrying gats and marching under a portrait of Mao - the evil scumbag responsible for the deaths of millions of Chinese? Now they may be setting their sights on quashing this HK 'embarrassment'.

I hope I'm wrong in this.

HK people are aware of the unspoken that allot of the world knows little about. The boot on your neck oppressive uniquely Asian fascist authority that crushes all individualism.

It appears they will upset everything they have built over the past 100 years to keep that boot away.

Cant blame them, and I respect them much.

No, because the Internet wasn't widely available to the public then.

Never said did you posted online.

The CCP will sadly accelerate the assimilation of HK under the pretense of these uprisings. One has to wonder if it was all preplanned, as it has been pretty much predictable todate.

Supports starting..

https://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s23e02-band-in-china

The CCP will sadly accelerate the assimilation of HK under the pretense of these uprisings.

We know that, but the HK people, seem ready to have some "live free or die" spirit in them, so the harder the CCP comes with the crush, the more the HK people resist.

We Americans used to be like that, but we have let our own kind become the CCP....lol...well it aint that bad yet but....many would love it to be that way.

Everybody here seems to forget that the people of Hong Kong didn't have democracy under British rule, it was introduced when the colony was returned to China.

maglev101Oct. 9 12:48 am JSTChina is an appalling country, the world would be so much better if they didn't exist.

This comment ranks right up there in dumbness. I hope you mean the CCP and not China (a civilization having a few thousand years of history). If China didn't exists, almost all of the people populating present day HK, Taiwan, Macau, Singapore, etc wouldn't exist. Same for ethnic Chinese people in Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam, Peru, US, Indonesia, etc.

If China didn't exist would there be all the great inventions the Chinese gave humanity like ice cream, banking, gunpowder, rockets, clocks, silk trade, paper, printing, the astronomical discoveries they made, a cure for smallpox, compasses and other things? Use your noodle.

Everybody here seems to forget that the people of Hong Kong didn't have democracy under British rule, it was introduced when the colony was returned to China.

That's comedy gold right there. So the protestors are fighting against democracy. Sure. Chinese democracy, where your 'elected' leader appoints himself president-for-life. That's not much of a democracy...

That's comedy gold right there. So the protestors are fighting against democracy. Sure. Chinese democracy, where your 'elected' leader appoints himself president-for-life. That's not much of a democracy...

Someone need some reading comprehension lesson.

Use your noodle.

Read my 2nd paragraph. You're basically agreeing with me. I was arguing against the post that said China shouldn't have existed.