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4,500 American lives, it was the ultimate sacrifice by our men and women in uniform, I hope regular Americans and others can remember during the holiday season, that our freedom and security has a price, so enjoy a merry merry Christmas but please never forget about those who are putting their lives on the line for both YOU and ME.

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Elbuda.

No disrespect, but I rather remember the soldiers of my country that gave their lives there(in Afghanistan, etc) and did their duty in a war they didn't want to have a part in but were ordered to partake.

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Give me a thumbs up if you thought it was worth the money, lives and the mess we left it in. Remember, Saddam used gas on his own people with Chemical Ali doing the dirty deed.

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100,000 lives VS 4500 lives. wow.just wow

Having 100 acers EMbassy in iraq which is more than CIA headquaters than anything.US is never leaving Iraq at least in near future.atleast until last drop of oil.

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Can anybody think of a better Christmas present for the families of the servicemen and women?

A marked contrast with the previous president, who preferred to send men and women to die for no good reason, sit back and count the profits.

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Got to ask.

Those are I guess the last "fighting" troops and more support personnel are still left behind to dity things up, etc.

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Capt. Mark Askew:

“It depends on what Iraq does after we leave,” he said, speaking ahead of the exit. “I don’t expect them to turn into South Korea or Japan overnight.”

Great quote from that soldier. I'm assuming he will never seek public office once back in the US. Those Americans sorry that we did not actually lose in Iraq would present it as proof that he is 'racist' .

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This war is totally a tragedy from viewpoints of all aspects. It's a classic lesson which tells people not to thoughtlessly start a war.

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Er, "mission accomplished"?

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There never would have been a war if these soldiers did not go fight it. So how am I supposed to support them, respect them, or honor the memories of those that died fighting a war that was so obviously wrong and misguided from the start?

Just following orders? What a load! The opinions that matter most are the opinions of the people of Iraq. And they are not cheering for these volunteer soldiers, so darned if I am going to.

The only reason evil men like G.W.B and Saddam Hussein can make war is because of foolish young men drunk on false ideas of honor that only serve those evil men. Honor would have been to refuse to go fight in Iraq citing the fact there was no provocation. Sadly, only a handful of men had that sort of real honor.

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From The Atlantic:

A November 2011 CNN poll found that 68 percent of Americans oppose the war. And as President Obama oversees a substantial pullout from the country, 71 percent of Americans say bringing our troops home is the right decision.

Despite all that, the Republican Party is attacking President Obama over his withdrawal of troops.

The Republican primary race is full of candidates who supported the war: Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum all favored waging it. Among the viable primary candidates only Ron Paul opposed the Iraq War from the beginning as an ill-conceived mistake. Though his position best represents the American public and arguably corresponds most closely to current Republican opinion, however, he is treated as a zany outlier.

Being for it before being against it is not unusual: the majority of those 68% who now oppose the war didn't initially. The question for the above candidates is how to have gone from supporting the war to supporting its conclusion while opposing the way Obama concluded it, which was in accordance to an agreement made by the Bush administration. Makes a pretzel look straight.

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Laguna, its all explained through absolute party loyalty, one of the ugliest creations known to man. It clearly explains why everything Bush did they hail as gold, and why everything Obama did is hailed as stinking refuse, even if its the exact same thing.

Every time you criticize a Republican on an issue, they think its a personal attack. Most Republicans don't properly understand that issues and opinions are independent of the self. Its a big reason why these discussions get so bitter and go down some very stupid avenues.

Republicans are quick to forgive their own who supported the war. I am not forgiving anyone of either side whether politician or homeless guy. Every person who supported it at any time is on my sheet list until they openly declare their own foolishness and swear to never be such a fool again.

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Being for it before being against it is not unusual: the majority of those 68% who now oppose the war didn't initially.

It's been posted countless times but there is a lengthy compilation on YouTube of nearly all high ranking Dems claiming Hussein had WMDs and needed to be taken out. Gore, Hillary, Harry Reid, take your pick. Obama made Hillary (pro-war) our Sec of State.

You bet opposition to the war grew. In 2003 , even after faced with the enormity of 9-11 , the vast majority of Americans on both left and right knew little if anything about Islam and what a retrograde force it is in the world - - and many on the Left in particular have remained deliberately ignorant on the matter .

It is more accurate to say the majority of Americans are now sensibly opposed to involvements with any hardline Mohammedan nation/populace , and that position should be the new norm.

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Every trace of US troops should be vanished and erased from the Iraq. They already suffered too much.

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It's sad so many people lost their lives!!!! On both sides! How senless! America has a history of war, first they murder the native Indians, then they drove out and killed the Mexicans and robbed their land! From then on it got only worse! They killed elected people, staged invasions etc.. Read history for a full account! What more shall I say, are they above the law? It's time to bury the "wild west" mentality! There are however many Americans who are peace loving, sincere and good meaning, who do you think are the culprits?

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The vote that authorized President Bush to use force in Iraq passed the Senate by a vote of 77 to 23, with only one Republican amongst those voting nay; and the House by 296 to 133, with only six Republicans joining the 126 Democrats who opposed the measure (against 81 who supported it). And do not forget the fate facing those who opposed this rash Republican rush: opposition was equated easily with traitorship. It was a Republican war, from conception through implementation, and any effort by the historical re-constructionists such as unreconstructed to paint it as bipartisan is a blot on history.

There was one Democrat, though - in fact, the current leader of their party - who was unequivocally and eloquently against the war from the beginning: Obama.

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

You can read the speech in its entirety here: http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm

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Barack Obama: "I would describe our troops as having succeeded in the mission of giving to the Iraqis their country in a way that gives them a chance for a successful future."

Amazing how if Barack Obama had his way back in 2003, with no liberation of Iraq ( in his words, "a dumb war" ) Iraqis would most likely still be under the boots of Saddam Hussein.

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What's he supposed to say, Serrano?! He's the leader of the country & welcoming the troops back home. As the leader it's his job to encourage & thank the troops for a job well done. They (The troops) had no part in the decision to conduct the war. They just did as they were told ......and they did a damned good job. At this time it is Obama's job to convey the thanks & encouragement we all should feel towards our troops. Being polite & a good leader doesn't mean that he was wrong in opposing the war. But I'm sure you knew that before you posted. I wonder how many of the 100,000 Iraqis who lost their lives would rather still be alive even under Sadam's rule? Guess they can't speak & we will never know. I think Obama described the war quite succinctly by saying a "dumb war". That's exactly what it was. Thank god it's over. May we all have learned some good lessons from it. What a waste of time, money, resources & our precious troops.

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Win?

Lose?

The results?

A country devastated, its infrastructure in ruins.

Millions killed, seriously injured and/or traumatized, including elderly, women, children and babies.

American "freedom" crippled by the Patriot Act, saddled with massive debts and public distrust.

Who won?

Difficult to say.

Remind me who the enemy was again.

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What an utter waste of lives, money and time. It just created 104,500 very sad families and countless more relatives and friends. Those numbers are shocking. And for what?

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Being polite & a good leader doesn't mean that he was wrong in opposing the war. But I'm sure you knew that before you posted.

I wonder.

Many Americans obviously have a sixth-grader's level of maturity and wisdom when it comes to issues like the Iraq war. It means that debacles like this are likely to be repeated.

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"What's he supposed to say, Serrano?!"

How about he acknowledge Bush's decision to liberate Iraq led to his being able to say what he said?

"What a waste of time, money, resources and our precious troops"

But, but, Barack Obama himself said this is an extraordinary achievement, what with the Iraqis having a freely elected government, etc.

yabits: "Many Americans obviously have a sixth-grader's level of maturity and wisdom" blah blah blah

Some posters obviously are unable to face facts.

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I'm so glad this debacle is over with. So much suffering. No one except the defense contractors took anything but badness from all of this. There was no honor in this war.

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Amazing how if Barack Obama had his way back in 2003, with no liberation of Iraq ( in his words, "a dumb war" ) Iraqis would most likely still be under the boots of Saddam Hussein.

And a hundred thousand of them (at the very least) would still be alive, the US wouldn't have wasted four thousand lives and a trillion dollars to absolutely no legitimate purpose, and radicalised a generation of young Muslim men.

Oh, and Halliburton wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful a profiteer.

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The Truth matters: "There was no honor in this war"

Barack Obama: "we're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-relient Iraq, wth a representative government that was elected by its people"

Hmmm...

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S.U.P.E.R. America has won a game... well a war. Let's all open a can of coca-cola to celebrate !

100,000 Iraqi

Africa or whatever you call it there is so populated.

4,500 Americans

Dead nobodies. Not one celeb. They are not even New-York bobos. So boring...

The question of whether it was worth it all is yet unanswered.

That depends on one thing : will Standard & Poor's give back the straight A to America?

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The U.S. military has largely departed Iraq, but there are more than 16,000 civilian personnel in various jobs between the sprawling Green Zone in Baghdad and other consulates in the country. There are also some military left behind in training jobs and guards for the U.S. facilities.

The cost of maintaining all this is expected to be at least $3.5 billion a year, which ultimately means it will be more expensive.

Can the State Department adequately oversee such a project? Will Congress provide the funding in years to come?

Never fear, though, because the U.S. will maintain the logisitics etc. in Kuwait to quickly reenter Iraq when/if deemed necessary to combat Iran.

What a colossal waste of life and money the U.S. war in Iraq has been.

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How about he acknowledge Bush's decision to liberate Iraq led

That's not fair to select that detail in the long history of the US screwing Iraq. I don't like Bush Junior, but don't put everything on his shoulders. We could start even before, but the shame of America started at the time of the Iran hostages, no ? I find it surprising that Americans that keep such a vivid memory of Pearl Harbor seem to have totally forgotten the old times when the American super-heroes from Hollywood were considering Saddam as their puppet, coaching and supplying his army with the latest high-tech gadgets only to p... Iran ?

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Being for it before being against it is not unusual: the majority of those 68% who now oppose the war didn't initially.

Please kindly exclude me from the 68%. I never approved the Iraq war from the beginning. This was a Bush's war and it has never been justified. Well, US left Iraq without any Peace, Security agreement with Iraq, so we never have to go back there to defend them as we did with Japan. Yay!!

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The mission cost nearly 4,500 American and well more than 100,000 Iraqi lives and $800 billion from the U.S. Treasury. The question of whether it was worth it all is yet unanswered.

So in other words, the Iraq war was not another Vietnam as John Kerry and his ilk insisted it would be. Also, the war did not cause a huge amount of debt as Democrats insist it did; the $800 billion for a 10 year war is only half of the debt that President Obama has created in an average year of his presidency. Less than his failed 'stimulus' in 2009. In exchange, Iraq is a free country with the right to vote (if they can keep it). Neighboring counties seeing Iraqi's voting provided an example of a democracy in the region where it was previously thought impossible. It is no accident that after decades of brutal dictatorships, when Iraq became free the people in nearly all countries in the region what the same for themselves. The same effect was seen when Poland threw off communism in Eastern Europe.

Plenty of Democrats voted in favor of the war in Iraq and then later tried to withdraw support from the war once the military was fighting and dying based on their votes. Hillary Clinton stated on the Senate floor that she didn't take George Bush's word for it but instead went back to the experts from her husbands administration for advice. As a result, she voted for war. Bush and the military made mistakes but never gave up on the goal and handed the war over to his successor that was essentially won. All BO had to do is not blow it. Thankfully, he didn't just give and and go home on the day he took office. He continued what he called "a dumb war" and made it his own. I give BO credit for following through with the end of war policy that Bush and the Iraqi government agreed to before he took office. The only possible mistake he made is not to come up with a status of forces agreement that would have provided stability for the young government. It we are lucky, Iraq will be able to handle the security situation for themselves and this oversight will not come back to bite Obama.

Whether you agree with the wars in Afghasistan and Iraq, at least after 10 long years of struggle the people of the Middle East have a chance at a better future that did not exist before 2001. With Syria on the verge of seeing it's dictatorship fall, that leaves Iran more isolated than ever in the region.

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Also, the war did not cause a huge amount of debt as Democrats insist it did; the $800 billion for a 10 year war is only half of the debt that President Obama has created in an average year of his presidency.

Wolfpack, what planet are you on? USA, Japan, Iraq?

Check thecongressional records in history. Bush went to Iraq with credit cards (visa, master card, American Express).

Iraq is a free country with the right to vote (if they can keep it).

Thanks to USA. It was not so before. Sadaam Hussein was a dictator.

Neighboring counties seeing Iraqi's voting provided an example of a democracy in the region where it was previously thought impossible.

Hello, Hello. Are you there? Bad connection, I cannot seem to understand what you are saying, Walfpack.

The only possible mistake he made is not to come up with a status of forces agreement that would have provided stability for the young government

US was smart not to go with the forces agreement.

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From Mr Cheney's perspectivem Mr Obama's move was definately a cowardice and a show of defeat to the world! Sooner later he will showup in TV blashings and mumbling!

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just-a-guy: Mr Cheney, who had five chances to serve his country in wartime but wangled a deferment from each one, is in no position to lecture anyone on cowardice.

In any case, he'll be busy until after Christmas swimming in his pool filled with gold coins.

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"What a colossal waste of life and money the U.S. war in Iraq has been"

Barack Obama: "we're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people"

Hmmm...

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Not exactly the Saigon scenario last helcopter off the top of the embassy that people told me was the only outcome possible for Vietnam 2 oops I means Iraq. I feel like such an idiot for believing my ThinkProgress and DKos friends.

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Only time will tell, will the new government succeed or fail? The whole mess started when Iraq invaded Kuwait. So if people are looking for a primary to blame they need to blame Husein.

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