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Cue rabid authoritarians telling us how authoritarian he was.

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Andrews is nothing but a common criminal who should be locked up in solitary for the rest of his life. He turned Victoria into a police state during covid, signed a MoU with the brutal CCP on their Belt & Road Initiative which undermined Australia's foreign policy, and is up to his eyeballs in ALP corruption scandals but never, ever takes responsibility for anything. Always someone else's fault. But he'll walk off scot-free as other crooked politicians have done, and others will have to clean up his mess.

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Good riddance.

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He followed the CCP's strategy to a t.

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Cue rabid authoritarians telling us how authoritarian he was.

Totally.

Hilarious how many posters decry this guy as "anti-democratic" and "authoritarian" - yet any other time idolize leaders such as Mini-me Putin and Chairman Xi!

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Followed the CCP's strategy... Except for the part where Australia actually followed scientific advice and focused in vaccination and shifted to prevention of complications instead of infections when the variants made it unsustainable, so they did not have to suffer huge numbers of preventable deaths when they abandoned the zero covid policy since they did it responsibly.

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Too little, too late. The way he went to radical authoritarians was shocking and inexcusable.

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virusrex

Followed the CCP's strategy... Except for the part where Australia actually followed scientific advice and focused in vaccination and shifted to prevention of complications instead of infections when the variants made it unsustainable,

So how is that different from what the CCP did? They went overboard with the push for vaccination. Andrew followed that.

so they did not have to suffer huge numbers of preventable deaths when they abandoned the zero covid policy since they did it responsibly.

Apples and oranges. As bad as the Australian policy was, they had no "zero Covid" policy and did not actually weld people shut into their apartment blocks. That after lifting the policy suddenly China a wave of deaths is not surprising.... what do your experts say about health effects of locking people into their tiny apartments with little light, little fresh air, government-supplied bad food for months on end?

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So how is that different from what the CCP did? They went overboard with the push for vaccination.

Easy, the CCP did not vaccinate their population, not even the most vulnerable segment, instead it choose to persist in an unsustainable focus on stopping infections when the experts of the world said this was a losing proposition. As a result the CCP had to abandon the policy in a rush when it became impossible to pretend it was working and millions of excess deaths happened in the first two months of doing it.

Apples and oranges

That is the point, both policies have been extremely different. The Australian one congruent with scientific advice, while the Chinese one not.

what do your experts say about health effects of locking people into their tiny apartments with little light, little fresh air, government-supplied bad food for months on end?

That it was not only unnecessary but instead counterproductive and damaging, which is why they heavily criticized China (and not Australia) for not following proper measures after the emergence of the less risky but more easily transmitted variants.

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I feel a bit sorry for a politician in his shoes. He did the wrong thing, but the public was braying for it.

I was totally against lockdowns, and leaned more toward the Swedish model, insisting that it was the responsibility of the vulnerable to lock themselves down, NOT demand the world stopf for trying to protect them, which of course, stopping the world just makes everything worse for everybody, including the vulnerable. People have to eat right and exercise to stay healthy...not depend on isolation and vaccines to do all the work....cause they can't.

My reward for this stance? A CRAPTON of abuse, derision, accusaton, hate and suggestions I should jump off a bridge.

But in typical fashion, society will not blame itself. It will ALWAYS seek a scapegoat. It also will not apologize for being dead wrong either.

Cue rabid authoritarians telling us how authoritarian he was.

This person has a sense of brevity that I do not.

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Jacinda gone, Andrews gone

Hope to never see either of them again

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“He locked us down for longer than any other people in the world. In my opinion, he acted like a tyrant who trampled on basic human rights. We will ensure that he is ultimately held to account for his actions.

 

“This megalomaniac locked down our state for a shocking 262 days and yet excess mortality in Victoria was the second highest in Australia, topped only by Tasmania.

 

“School closures in Victoria had a devastating effect on children. More than 50 per cent suffered a decline in mental health, almost twice the national average

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Nasty misogynist. Good riddance.

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Easy, the CCP did not vaccinate their population, not even the most vulnerable segment, instead it choose to persist in an unsustainable focus on stopping infections when the experts of the world said this was a losing proposition. As a result the CCP had to abandon the policy in a rush when it became impossible to pretend it was working and millions of excess deaths happened in the first two months of doing it.

By June 11th 2021 more than 600 million (40% of the population) people in China had been vaccinated, so this is a lie or misinformation. We also see that in places like Beijin and Shanghai 88.5% and 79% of the populations were vaccinated as of 2021.

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Keepyer Internetpoints

I was totally against lockdowns, and leaned more toward the Swedish model, insisting that it was the responsibility of the vulnerable to lock themselves down, NOT demand the world stopf for trying to protect them, which of course, stopping the world just makes everything worse for everybody, including the vulnerable.

Sweden wasn't that much different to the rest of the world with regard to lockdowns, school or workplace closures, etc. Certainly for the first year and a half of the pandemic they were more stringent than New Zealand.

People have to eat right and exercise to stay healthy...not depend on isolation and vaccines to do all the work....cause they can't.

That's just plain unscientific. Vaccines reduced the mortality of Covid. One interesting fact is that before vaccines deaths of conservatives and liberals in the US were similar, but after vaccines were rolled out, conservatives death rate was appreciably higher than liberals. You could conclude that this was due to vaccine disinformation that conservatives mostly fell for.

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That's just plain unscientific. Vaccines reduced the mortality of Covid.

If that’s true than why have more vaccinated people died from Covid than unvaccinated people?

One interesting fact is that before vaccines deaths of conservatives and liberals in the US were similar, but after vaccines were rolled out, conservatives death rate was appreciably higher than liberals.

This is due to age, not vaccine skepticism. Older people tend to be much more conservative and older people also have the highest likelihood of dying from Covid. Younger people tend to lean liberal and younger people have less of a chance of dying from Covid

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By June 11th 2021 more than 600 million (40% of the population) people in China had been vaccinated

Compare that with the percentage of population vaccinated in Australia and you will have your answer, not to mention the chinese vaccine ended up being much inferior, which is exactly what explains the millions of unnecessary deaths product of the CCP not listening to scientific advice. 40% is definetely a poorly vaccinated population for diseases like covid.

If that’s true than why have more vaccinated people died from Covid than unvaccinated people?

Because vaccines do not protect against every single cause of death? what do you expect if you have most of the population already vaccinated? that they become immortal?

The actual important comparison is in rates of death, and vaccinated people have much lower rates of death compared with unvaccinated people.

 is due to age, not vaccine skepticism

False, comparing populations of the same age still give higher rates of death for those that choose not to be vaccinated.

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The actual important comparison is in rates of death, and vaccinated people have much lower rates of death compared with unvaccinated people.

Are you sure? Do you have a source?

Because the UK official data shows the opposite. Dr John Campbell and Dr Drew each just went over the data on their respective YouTube channels.

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That's just plain unscientific. Vaccines reduced the mortality of Covid.

If that’s true than why have more vaccinated people died from Covid than unvaccinated people?

Vaccines might slightly reduce covid deaths. But when one looks at overall mortality, it is indeed higher for the vaccinated, even after age stratification.

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Are you sure? Do you have a source?

Of what? vaccines preventing death? are you seriously questioning every medical science institution on the planet that clearly support this conclusion? there are limits about what can be credibly be claimed as being ignored.

Because the UK official data shows the opposite

No it does not.

Dr John Campbell and Dr Drew each just went over the data on their respective YouTube channels.

Jhon Campbell have demonstrated to be way over his level of preparation by repeatedly being mistaken in his videos, and not only about covid.

https://fullfact.org/health/john-campbell-youtube-singapore-children/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/conspiracy-theories-about-monkeypox/

He is not a realiable source, specially when he insist on claims already disproved.

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Vaccines might slightly reduce covid deaths

No, importantly,

But when one looks at overall mortality, it is indeed higher for the vaccinated, even after age stratification.

That would make as much sense as looking at the number of marriages, and hirings, and births, because obviously if the vast majority of the people are vaccinated that will mean everythying will be more numerous in this much higher percentage of the population.

The vaccine protects importantly against covid disease, complications and deaths, making up spurious relationships with obviously unrelated health problems do not prove the vaccines come with risks for them, it just mean you are trying to fish for obviously invalid problems and pretend the vaccines are somehow responsible for that.

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But when one looks at overall mortality, it is indeed higher for the vaccinated, even after age stratification.

That would make as much sense as looking at the number of marriages, and hirings, and births, because obviously if the vast majority of the people are vaccinated that will mean everythying will be more numerous in this much higher percentage of the population.

Oh dear, so you actually think they just took the absolute numbers? You should actually watch the videos instead of automatically dismissing them. It's based on the official data, they looked at different age groups, and they did not just take the absolute number.

And at least they provide the source and the data. You haven't yet.

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Oh dear, so you actually think they just took the absolute numbers? 

That is the claim you are making, and since you are clearly avoiding bringing a source (understandable since you have been found to misrepresent what the source actually shows) that is the only thing being discussed.

One telling detail is that instead of actual scientific reports your are trying to use videos as primary sources, this is clear evidence of shoddy methodologies, anybody can say something without presenting actual data in an easy to examine way, but a clear methodology report that can be checked for veracity? that is much more difficult.

And at least they provide the source and the data. You haven't yet

They who? no data to prove a claim has been provided here, I on the other hand clearly provided a source that prove John Campbell has been seriously wrong in his videos which is why they are not considered reliable.

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Followed the CCP's strategy... Except for the part where Australia actually followed scientific advice and focused in vaccination and shifted to prevention of complications instead of infections when the variants made it unsustainable, so they did not have to suffer huge numbers of preventable deaths when they abandoned the zero covid policy since they did it responsibly.

Yep--China also did the same after ending their lockdown. Like it is said, Australia followed China'a strategy.

And Australia also had the highest infection rate in the world shortly after ending its lockdown, according to every medical and scientific organization in the world.

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Yep--China also did the same after ending their lockdown. Like it is said, Australia followed China'a strategy.

That is completely mistaken, the CCP was heavily criticized for their unsustainable prolonging of the policy long after Australia discarded it by scientific advice. That is precisely the reason why millions of excess deaths happened.

And Australia also had the highest infection rate in the world shortly after ending its lockdown, according to every medical and scientific organization in the world.

But unlike China their vaccination efforts let them have infection without having uncountable deaths, that is the whole purpose of vaccines, to let people be exposed to the disease without the extra risks. Again thanks to Australia being in line with the best science available.

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And at least they provide the source and the data. You haven't yet.

He refuses to ever post a source for any of his claims. I asked him for a source to his claims like 5 times in a thread last night and he refused to provide one. He won’t post a source because his claims are false and he’s afraid of being found out

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I have not refused to provide any source in this topic. How about addressing the arguments that refuted your claim in the previous comment instead of accusing other commenters of something that did not happen?

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Readers, no more bickering please.

Gotta respect Virusrex for continually addressing the points and logical fallacy made by the anti-vaxxers.

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Daniel Andrews, the premier of Australia's Victoria state who oversaw one of the longest pandemic lockdowns in the world, said on Tuesday he would resign after about nine years in office.

He won't be missed. Australia's overall response was a mess. Slow rollout of vaccines, not enough, and conflicting advice from the government and medical authorities.

Our PM telling us AstraZeneca is available while the AMA said no, not for those under age 40.

Thankfully I was not subject to Melbourne's infamous lockdowns. I think that Victoria was subject to the same number of days as some cities in China. Poor folks.

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I am of course ecstatic to see this.

Take a look around - many of the fiercest quarantine warriors from the Covid-19 era are dropping like flies: Daniel Andrews of Victoria, New Zealand's Jacinda Ardern, Japan's Suga Yoshihide, the UK's Boris Johnson, America's Anthony Fauci. All of them have been criticized for their handling of Covid and all of their careers are over.

Justin Trudeau and Joe Biden are next up. In the end, Covid will not be remembered as an era in which "science prevailed", but one in what political incompetence doomed many. People understand this and that's why leaders are being held responsible.

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