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Lesson not learned: Europe unprepared as 2nd virus wave hits

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No surprise here. "What goes around, comes around" has always been the viral mantra, a "Groundhog-Day" reality that can't be wished away or cured with band-aid therapeutics. Only time and best safe practice by society can eradicate a pandemic. The world can only hope that another year of sacrifice will suffice to end this plague of biblical dimensions that will cost blood and treasure and will likely be a game-changer for the world's future socioeconomic structures and practices. Once again it appears that the only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from it. As the old Jewish sages used to say: Man plans, and God laughs.

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No need to worry America. It’s all a fake liberal media news narrative optic in Europe too right? These doctors and nurses are all in on the scam too I guess, pushing their Marxist agenda no doubt. trump declared the virus nothing to worry about, and he’s never wrong!

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Incredulious to blame governments when its each persons own responsibilty to keep social distance, keep contacts low, not do unesseccary travel, wear mask , wash hands etc... but some people just couldnt care less and went to party, holiday and indulge themselves. Then they blame each other. Humans being humans.

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Well, one thing's for sure - can't blame China now.

I think both Governments and their people have to bear the blame. Government response in too many countries has been tardy and chaotic, while too many individuals just don't seem to possess the necessary personal resources or sense of responsibility to others to get through a few months of even partial disruption.

We're really hanging out for a vaccine now, or at least for the medications that can turn this disease from a killer to just another viral nuisance.

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I noticed that the countries mentioned, Belgium, Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Spain and France plus Italy and Czech Republic all have had their populaces in hard lockdowns with mandatory masking seemingly to no avail. No mention of the Nordic countries.

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Hey EU what happened? I remember the flack that Japan took from Europe about Japan's covid 19 policy. Now look at you. What an utter failure. As with the USA, Europe talks how great it is. But in reality, Europe and America are very weak. They don't have the self discipline to weak masks and obey the rules.

This why Japan is beating the virus. We can together as a nation. We sacrificed for the good our nation. The results are for everyone to see. Covid 19 is a test of a country's social cohesion. Japan past the test. The west utterly failed.

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The Czech Republic’s “Farewell Covid” party in June, when thousands of Prague residents dined outdoors at a 500-meter (yard) long table across the Charles Bridge to celebrate their victory over the virus, seems painfully naive now that the country has the highest per-capita infection rate on the continent, at 398 per 100,000 residents.

Czechs were lauded as the model country with their extreme mask wearing rules and travel restrictions.

Now they have the highest rate of cases in Europe.

Turns out that oxygen depravation isn't so good for the immune system after all.

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Good article above. Really happy to see no politics in it.

Here are Sweden's projections for with and without masks. Universal masking and the curve stays flat, no masks and cases will continue to rise.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

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Well, one thing's for sure - can't blame China now.

Huh??

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Nihonview

This why Japan is beating the virus. We can together as a nation. We sacrificed for the good our nation. The results are for everyone to see. Covid 19 is a test of a country's social cohesion. Japan past the test. The west utterly failed.

Japan had no hard lockdown, and the face masks are recommended, not prescribed. Police does not harrass me if I don´t wear them. So yes, if you want to make the point that hard lockdowns and police state like dress codes are not helpful, I agree.

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nandakandamanda

Good article above. Really happy to see no politics in it.

Here are Sweden's projections for with and without masks. Universal masking and the curve stays flat, no masks and cases will continue to rise.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

Your rising curve part is a projection, i.e. phantasy. The actual curve from end of July to now is completely flat. there is NO indication of any rise.

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The key is that, while detected infections are rising, serious cases are not doing the same. Deaths are also basically unchanged. In the UK, about 40-50 people a day die with corona, a far cry from the nearly 1000 per day in April, and also the same rate since July. France? The same, no spike in deaths since spring.

It means the virus is more widespread but less lethal than previously thought. No need to keep people imprisoned in their own homes. or make outrageous hysterical claims like "this is a plague of biblical dimensions". Compared to real pandemics, this is a light case of the sniffles. Spanish flu killed the equivalent of 250 MILLION people based on today's global population.

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No mention of the Nordic countries

Do you mean those straight laced weirdos that actually understand personal responsibility and follow the rules?

Latin countries that ain't.

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Atillathehungry

It means the virus is more widespread but less lethal than previously thought. No need to keep people imprisoned in their own homes. or make outrageous hysterical claims like "this is a plague of biblical dimensions". Compared to real pandemics, this is a light case of the sniffles. Spanish flu killed the equivalent of 250 MILLION people based on today's global population.

It also suggests that the virus has already changed and is less lethal now. Which is the natural course for a virus epidemic. Remember, the Spanish Flue, SARS, MERS, Swine Flue, H1N1 etc etc., they always peter out and disappear. Because while the virulent strains are better at killing people, the less virulent strains are better at spreading, so they are more successful.

Also, while the virus is changing, doctors now understand it better and have better treatment options. This is not the same situation as in January any more; only the press keeps trying to create panic by writing about "infections".

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@zaphod

You claimed the other day that the rising number of infections was simply due to more widespread testing.

Why are deaths rising?

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oharaToday 01:22 pm JST

Well, one thing's for sure - can't blame China now.

Huh??

Perhaps look at the headline again.

Lesson not learned: Europe unprepared as 2nd virus wave hits

The virus has been in Europe and the rest of the world for most of the year now. Governments and people know from experience what works to contain the virus and what doesn't, or at least they ought to. They also know what spreads the virus. Or at least, they should do.

If you know what works and doesn't work, and you either do nothing or do the opposite, then you have only yourself to blame for the continuation of the problem. Still blaming China for everything after all this time is just a cop-out.

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@Nihonview

Hey EU what happened? I remember the flack that Japan took from Europe about Japan's covid 19 policy. Now look at you. What an utter failure. As with the USA, Europe talks how great it is. But in reality, Europe and America are very weak. They don't have the self discipline to weak masks and obey the rules.

This why Japan is beating the virus. We can together as a nation. We sacrificed for the good our nation. The results are for everyone to see. Covid 19 is a test of a country's social cohesion. Japan past the test. The west utterly failed.

Different cultures, different everything. Your "Japan good, the West not so good" pov is very amusing, though.

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You claimed the other day that the rising number of infections was simply due to more widespread testing.

Why are deaths rising?

The cases have gone up a lot recently. Although the deaths have increased slightly, they are much lower than in April.

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Japan had no hard lockdown, and the face masks are recommended, not prescribed. Police does not harrass me if I don´t wear them. So yes, if you want to make the point that hard lockdowns and police state like dress codes are not helpful, I agree.

The point, which was painfully obvious, was that the vast majority of people in Japan did the correct thing when asked. This resulted in fewer cases and deaths.

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You claimed the other day that the rising number of infections was simply due to more widespread testing.

Why are deaths rising?

The cases have gone up a lot recently. Although the deaths have increased slightly, they are much lower than in April.

Yes, I know.

I was asking why deaths are rising in response to the claim that the increasing number of infections was simply due to more widespread testing.

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Jimizo

Why are deaths rising?

Where do you see that deaths are rising?

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Why are deaths rising?

Where do you see that deaths are rising?

Spain, France, UK most clearly. Other European countries are edging up at a slower rate, and as you know, there will be a lag between the number of new cases and the number of deaths.

You said the number of new cases was a simply a reflection of increased testing.

So, where are these increasing numbers of deaths coming from?

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Jimizo

Spain, France, UK most clearly. Other European countries are edging up at a slower rate, and as you know, there will be a lag between the number of new cases and the number of deaths.

No, I do not accept that there is a link between "number of new cases" and "deaths".

Where are your numbers that show that deaths are increasing?

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Where are your numbers that show that deaths are increasing?

Johns Hopkins, NHS UK are the two I’m looking at right now.

Is this fake news? You can just say yes and we can end it there. There would be nowhere to go.

Are you saying there is no increase in the death figures?

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JimizoToday  06:59 pm JST

Johns Hopkins, NHS UK are the two I’m looking at right now.

Is this fake news? You can just say yes and we can end it there. There would be nowhere to go.

Are you saying there is no increase in the death figures?

Got a link for that? The statistics I am looking at show a flat curve for deaths. "Cases" are irrelevant, you can not draw a direct line from "cases" to deaths.

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A recent report in the UK showed that a full 3/4 of positive covid cases failed to self isolate correctly. Is the increase in cases a surprise? Hardly.

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I agree that we should not focus on cases, it's quite meaningless. Instead, we should focus on deaths.

The deaths have gone up slightly in France, rather flat in Italy, Belgium,...

Deaths are so much lower than in April. In April, the cases were lower but the deaths were much higher.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

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Focusing on deaths is misguided. The focus needs to be on the hospitalizations because there are a finite number of beds.

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P. Smith

Focusing on deaths is misguided. The focus needs to be on the hospitalizations because there are a finite number of beds.

I have not seen any statistics on hospitalizations, or any medical blogs and vlogs that mention that as a problem.

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I have not seen any statistics on hospitalizations, or any medical blogs and vlogs that mention that as a problem.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-54151281

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/madrid-hospitals-begin-to-overflow-amid-covid-19-surge/1977119

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/16/europe/france-bordeaux-coronavirus-hospitals-intl/index.html

https://www.thedacare.org/News-and-Events/Company-News/local-hospitals-near-capacity-levels-due-to-covid-19.aspx

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/hospitals-in-covid-19-hot-spots-are-filling-up-11594860223

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/kentucky-hospital-reaches-capacity-because-of-covid-19.html

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PSmith:

You quote some newspaper articles about individual hospitals, not statistics. Besides, most of the places mentioned in your articles (Marseille, Madrid, Bordeux) have lockdowns already, so how does a lockdown help?

And how do you want to improve the hospital bed situation if the economy is destroyed because of the lockdowns?

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