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Good thinking

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By all means - get your guns. And bring them to campus, in the classrooms, and at every meeting with your colleagues and administration. I'm sure all will go well. On the other hand, this could be natural selection at its best with you all blowing each other away.

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So glad I do not live in that country.

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The president of Liberty University has urged students at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack, saying that “we could end those Muslims before they walked in.”

Yup, that's the Christian way. In fact, I think it is the 11th commandment -- "end all those Muslims before they walk in". How sad and sick that fear, ignorence and prejudice has gripped the "Christian right". Although, it was probably always there. Recent events have just brought it out into the open.

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It IS Jerry Falwell. About par for the course.

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You are far more likely to kill yourself or someone you know, so I support this. It will help to thin the gun nut herd a bit.

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I'm for it.

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Falwell's a religious extremist begging for the apocalypse. Until it comes, he's pushing the gun industry's message to keep fear alive so more people will buy more guns. Religious extremism is a sickness.

“What if just one of those students or one of those faculty members had a concealed permit and was carrying a weapon when the shooter walked into Virginia Tech? Countless lives could have been saved,” he said.

Or more likely, more lives would have been lost.

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It IS Jerry Falwell. About par for the course.

I can't imagine his father saying anything like that honestly. Jerry Falwell Sr even apologized to peaceful and loving Muslims after calling Muhammed a "terrorist" but those were different times.

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Good idea. If the US is going to keep escalating violence and hatred in the ME, then we SHOULD expect the chickens back. But again, some here just want to bully and spread their CNN sponsored talking points by attacking the "gun nuts" instead of looking at the actions of their beloved leader who is causing it.

Ironic, isn't it?

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Another spokesman for the weapons industry.

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How representative is this guy of America? Does he represent the regression of the US back to the 18th century cowboy shoot-em-up country? He is the son of the man who said that 9/11 was caused by the US being soft on us gays. I can't help think what "university" means in "Liberty University" because they can't possibly be teaching how to think.

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Good thinking

Yes, Douglas, I was thinking the EXACT same thing. These right-wing fanatical, delusional freaks at Liberty University can not be trusted, and you DO need a gun to protect yourself. Never know when one might turn on you! You just might find that you have to blow away a few EACH and EVERY day. Americans are just very dangerous--never mind the piddly-widdly ISIS. (So much for the religion of prace, huh?)

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That's what Jesus said, isn't it?

"Blessed are those who carry concealed weapons, ready to open fire at random. He who lives by the gun shall inherit the earth. If someone smite your left cheek, open fire and blow that sumb'tch to hell"

I'm sure I read that in the Bible.

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Also comes in handy against the gays who try to forcibly convert you and the abortionists who want to cash in on your fetal bits. Falwell's hit the trifecta!

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What heat would Jesus pack?

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A 'university' founded by a religious nutcase with all students carrying firearms waiting for the rapture.

When they are raptured, can they take their guns with them?

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These right-wing fanatical, delusional freaks at Liberty University can not be trusted, and you DO need a gun to protect yourself.

So you're saying, they should use pencils or glue to protect themselves?

Never know when one might turn on you! You just might find that you have to blow away a few EACH and EVERY day. Americans are just very dangerous--never mind the piddly-widdly ISIS. (So much for the religion of prace, huh?)

Here we go, so all Americans are dangerous if you want to make that kind of generalization then Obama is the most dangerous out of all of us. Obama probably hasn't realized it, but he probably as well as Hillary have just given the presidency to Trump. Now I'm not a Trump supporter, but Trump called out Obama on this, Obama will not recognize and call out radical Islan for what it really is, Hillary said, she wouldn't change the strategy on the war of Terror. Whether the 2 were part of a larger terror cell or not, is totally irrelevant. The act itself. Security and terrorism is now on the top priority list for Americans, gun sales are up and we have a president that chooses to do nothing but give nothing but excuses. The people are tired and tired of hearing the liberal merry-go-round. In doing so, the Dems effectively have handed the presidency to Trump, he is assuring the people he would do something to stop this as well as the other GOP candidates and the Dems talk about gun control something that the majority of people don't want to hear.

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@Bass If Trump wins, it will because enough half-witted clowns listened to his rabble-rousing. You stated that a lunatic fringe of the GOP is carrying him on his merry way ( I doubt even Trump would be extreme enough for the lunatics at Liberty ). Is that yet another statement you won't stand by? The GOP circus was created by the GOP and nobody else.

Stop making childish excuses.

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@Bass he Dems talk about gun control something that the majority of people don't want to hear.

Once again I'll ask for your source. Or was this just another wild idea you had after sniffing gunpowder?

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You'd think with all the macho posturing, this school wuld be a sports powerhouse. Does this school recruit only white folks?

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If Trump wins, it will because enough half-witted clowns listened to his rabble-rousing.

That would be the the vast growing majority of the country, but hey, I felt the same in 2008 when people went to the that we now have ruining the country.

You stated that a lunatic fringe of the GOP is carrying him on his merry way ( I doubt even Trump would be extreme enough for the lunatics at Liberty ).

Pretty much, since Obama already has done and screwed up our civil liberties in big part, the man has failed and I believe intentionally to recognize and listen to what the people want.

Is that yet another statement you won't stand by?

What are you talking about? I know it's early Sunday morning, but.....

The GOP circus was created by the GOP and nobody else.

As well as the DNC circus that sadly they're having difficulties filling the tents.

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PTownsend, It's mean of you to keep harping on at Bass for sources. He's a busy man you know (I know coz he told me, he works and drives and posts on JT using Siri, all at the same time) it's not his fault it takes one whole click to find the info he surely must be quoting from.

So I did it for him.

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

"In general, do you think laws covering the sale of guns should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?"

(Oct 2015) (All) More strict 58%: Less strict 8%: Kept as they are 31%: No answer 3%.

(Republicans) More strict 41%: Less strict 14%: Kept as they are 45%: No answer 1%.

(Democrats) More strict 79%: Less strict 2%: Kept as they are 15%: No answer 3%.

(Independent) More strict 53%: Less strict 8%: Kept as they are 36%: No answer 4%.

From this I think we need to understand that when Bass says 'the majority of people' he means Republicans. Or maybe he just doesn't recognise people on the opposite political spectrum to himself as 'people'.

So you're saying, they should use pencils or glue to protect themselves?

The pen is mightier than the sword?

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Obviously the president of Liberty knew that this statement would make news because anything related to Liberty that is the least bit controversial gets picked up by news organization because of the Falwell name.

One wonders if he did this as a preemptive measure. If one believes that there are ISIS-inspired lone wolf terrorists in the U.S. looking for soft targets to attack, wouldn't a university that is one of if not the world's largest Christian university make a tempting target? If one believed that, wouldn't one want to discourage any would-be lone wolf terrorists from targeting that university. And could one possible way to do so would be to advance the idea that the university is not a gun-free zone?

I am not defending his statement or his stance per se, just considering possible motivations.

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"Pretty much, since Obama already has done and screwed up our civil liberties in big part, the man has failed and I believe intentionally to recognize and listen to what the people want." Should people be allowed to buy whatever guns they want?

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Jesus packed an assault rifle. And rode dinosaurs. While combatting homo sin.

Vote Republican.

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Although, I don't see the need to carry a gun;I do see the need for some type of personal protection.The police carry tasers and why is it that in some countries they are classed as firearms? Had the people in San Bernadino and London and Paris been equipped with them it is possible deaths could have been prevented. It is not acceptable that we should await the arrival of the police while we suffer and die.A non lethal defence should be a right for a people if they are free of criminal convictions and of sound mind. Governments cannot protect us against these sporadic attacks-we have to protect ourselves.

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The best self-defense is a college degree.

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He's a busy man you know (I know coz he told me, he works and drives and posts on JT using Siri, all at the same time)

And a good morning to you, Cleo! Uhh, not all the time particularly during the day.

it's not his fault it takes one whole click to find the info he surely must be quoting from.

No, it's not my fault, you are definitely right about that.

So I did it for him.

So nice of you.

From this I think we need to understand that when Bass says 'the majority of people' he means Republicans.

It's not only Republicans. California for example, my home state is swamped with guns, mostly registered and yes, a lot of unregistered, California the largest Blue State with a Democrat majority population, there are a lot of libs with guns and as we know or actually many people don't always understand how polling works, there are a lot of variables and demographics and depending on the location, which community, Black, Latin, White.... it all depends where you go, how many people, it's not an exact science, you can get a sort of calculated assessment, but not something to definitively concrete to say, this is the exact reason and if you want to go squarely by that, then you can easily obtain that information, anyone can.

Or maybe he just doesn't recognise people on the opposite political spectrum to himself as 'people'.

Or maybe, I understand how the polling process works.

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An already crazy nation is getting ridiculous. I feel fortunate not to live there now.

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I live in America. It is a great country. Enough of the anti-American idiocy.

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I don't really agree with the masses in schools to be packing lead ...however......I understand. Why not focus on the entrances to the school instead.

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I live in America. It is a great country. Enough of the anti-American idiocy.

America is a great country, but we need to find a better way to fix this problem than making everyone paranoid and then arming them.

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we need to find a better way

Vote liberal Democrat.

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I think all Americans who love guns should gather in remote fields and have it out. Let it be done with, and don't involve any people with common sense enough to know that guns are only for killing.

But yes, until then, by all means arm your students. I can just see a college drinking party scuffle turn into a massacre instead of a simple punch or two; I can just see what happens when a college professor hands a desperate student a failing mark. I can imagine that when another student sees someone's gun they panic, pull out there's, and start shooting. Someone sees that and shoots the student. Someone sees that and shoots them, and so on.

Americans prove time and again they are too stupid and will never learn. So, again, let the nutters have at it in some field somewhere, because they are all guilty of the mass shootings by supporting guns and allowing others to be armed and do what they did. The people in the latest shootings all had their guns legally and were not bad people until they did what they did.

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@Black Sabbath - on it. Registered and anxiously awaiting the primaries.

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"The best self-defense is a college degree."

A college degree from Liberty is a danger. There are reports of dinosaur bones labelled as 3,000 years old.

I'm not sure if giving these people guns is a good idea. They might find it difficult to work out where the bullet exits after Jesus performed the miracle of turning powder into the roar of the Holy Spirit.

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@Cleo good info. I was expecting him or one of the gunbangers to get info from impeachobama.org, the NRAuberalles, or breitbart, one of their usual sources to show that they are the majority. A reality is they might be the majority. Polls can be skewed so many ways.

I have friends in the US who are vehemently opposed to the NRA's policies and the power that the gun industry has over elected officials. They have told me how concerned they are that more civilians are buying weapons and even forming vigilante militia.

Who knows what percent of the population my friends are, though. If the majority of US Americans are in fact supportive of the NRA's extremist policies, I fear for my friends. In my opinion John Adams, Mill, de Tocqueville, etal were right in warning us of the tyranny of the majority. Especially if those in the majority are armed with military grade weapons.

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This fool falwell, one of MANY in his clan, is a perfect example of religion gone wrong, utterly insane! Arming everyone on campus.....WTF..... does us all a favour & keep YOUR APOCOLIPSE to yourselves on YOUR campus if you ever go down this road of pure isanity!

Leave the rest of us out of it!

I admire yanks, but the last few decades the number brutally ignorant people has been skyrocketing, and the US is clearly got some VERY serious gun issues, the NRA is clearly a terrorist organization............

It always makes me cringe when I hear yanks saying how "great" the US is............sorry you've all got it WRONG, the is STRONG militarily I will give you that but as far as the best country on earth.............sorry a great many of you have become clearly delusional!!!!

With all the guns the US could well turn into the scariest place on earth ala MAD MAX!!!

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Some worshipers of the guy who told people to respond to violence by turning the other cheek are telling their flock to preemptively arm up.

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I can just see what happens when a college professor hands a desperate student a failing mark. I can imagine that when another student sees someone's gun they panic, pull out there's, and start shooting. Someone sees that and shoots the student. Someone sees that and shoots them, and so on.

OK......Perhaps you can show where and when this has happened in the USA, not necessarily in a school or due to a failing grade but when someone armed with a firearm, panics, starts shooting, and then someone sees that and starts shooting and then someone else sees that and starts shooting and so on and so on...

They have told me how concerned they are that more civilians are buying weapons and even forming vigilante militia.

Yeah they are overstating the threat.

“we could end those Muslims before they walked in.”

Oh jesus christ.....

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Yes, they should! Republicans voted against banning terrorists and mentally ill from buying guns.

So then how about destroying the Democratic Party? The very party that would sacrifice and allow Americans to die just to be politically correct.

Vote liberal Democrat.

Vote Conservative!

But yes, until then, by all means arm your students. I can just see a college drinking party scuffle turn into a massacre instead of a simple punch or two; I can just see what happens when a college professor hands a desperate student a failing mark. I can imagine that when another student sees someone's gun they panic, pull out there's, and start shooting. Someone sees that and shoots the student. Someone sees that and shoots them, and so on.

What?

Americans prove time and again they are too stupid and will never learn.

So then how why the Europeans don't learn. The Brits, the French and especially the Germans, taking in millions of refugees blindly and for years having thousands of radicals hijacking their countries. Smart move? Get real! I'll tell you what, that wouldn't happen in the States, especially in the South.

So, again, let the nutters have at it in some field somewhere, because they are all guilty of the mass shootings by supporting guns and allowing others to be armed and do what they did.

But NOT the culprits that pulled the trigger? This is exactly why the far left progressive unicorn paisley, vegan crowds are entirely off the chart deranged.

The people in the latest shootings all had their guns legally and were not bad people until they did what they did.

Wait a fricken minute! These people weren't bad!??? Pipe bombs. IEDs, GoPro cameras, guns up the wazzo, remote detonators, 1200 rounds of ammunition and that's just the tip of the iceberg. So are you trying to laughably say that, something like this is what a normal disgruntled employee would do? Take all this gear just to have a friendly work office dispute?

I'm not sure if giving these people guns is a good idea.

It's a very good idea.

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The police chief in Detroit and several other law enforcement officials have recently said similar things. If you legally can carry, then do so!

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If we're going to live in a society with hundreds of millions of guns then we're going to have a lot of mass shootings. There's not much more to debate than that.

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Liberty University requires its students to attend political events, one recently by Ted Cruz.

"Students were mandated to be in attendance or they would be fined," McIntosh told Chris Hayes on MSNBC on March 24, 2015. "Not as much as they would be fined for possessing R-rated movies or practicing witchcraft, but still, they had to pay money if they didn’t want to see him."

I would guess that even that hothead Cruz would blanch at attending a rally with 13,000 students packing heat. I’d also guess packing students would have to check their guns before meeting Falwell or those of his rank. Hypocrisy.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/25/jess-mcintosh/liberty-u-students-faced-fine-if-they-skipped-cruz/

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We had some pretty strange kids at college in the US. Is he really advising everyone to carry a gun? Hope they have a shooting range and proper instructors, then. I guess the campus cops will have new orders and powers too.

For the USA arming all and sundry seems to be the logic of the times, the way the US and surrounding world are set up right now. The US constitution guarantees the right of citizens to carry arms. The world contains vicious elements who deliberately choose soft targets. Put these together and bingo.

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The police chief in Detroit and several other law enforcement officials have recently said similar things. If you legally can carry, then do so.

The police see the world not as we like it to be, but as a reality. Since Obama and Holder have demonized the police to such an extent that they are afraid to give a parking ticket, you have reached critical mass. The police feel powerless and many now don't want to risk losing their jobs for being called every other name in the book, but that crime is rising in all the big cities and if the cops don't try to prevent it, they are seen as NOT doing their job or not caring about their community, while hordes of thugs jump in their faces and taunt the cops and will try anything to incite some sort of response. Therefore, the only logical step would be is to have people arm themselves, that way, the police can be absolved of any wrongdoing by the public.

This is what the libs wanted and now that it's all coming back to bite them in a way they never anticipated.

If we're going to live in a society with hundreds of millions of guns then we're going to have a lot of mass shootings. There's not much more to debate than that.

If that were true, we would ALL be dead and we would be living like "Escape from New York" hasn't happened yet and won't happen. This is not a Clint Eastood movie. This is where all the fear mongering is coming from, the far-lonely left.

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"If we're going to live in a society with hundreds of millions of guns then we're going to have a lot of mass shootings. There's not much more to debate than that."

"If that were true, we would ALL be dead and we would be living like "Escape from New York" hasn't happened yet and won't happen. This is not a Clint Eastood movie. This is where all the fear mongering is coming from, the far-lonely left."

That's just delirious. One of the most lucid statements you'll read about guns is greeted with a baffling, babbling rant about movies and the left. Love can induce madness.

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" to have people arm themselves" To what end? What maximum firepower should a US resident be allowed to possess according to the constitution?

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Does he represent the regression of the US back to the 18th century cowboy shoot-em-up country?

Gun control was far stricter in the19th Century "Wild West" actually. While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying firearms in public.

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California the largest Blue State with a Democrat majority population, there are a lot of libs with guns

Nothing to do with polling, so much as human nature. It's quite normal for the individual (who is convinced of his own sense of responsibility, being able to see inside his own head) to think it's perfectly OK for him to engage in some activity he does not think the general public should be engaging in. We all know the type who sees nothing wrong with having one more for the road before driving home, yet spits blood on hearing news of yet another fatal road accident caused by a drunken driver. Gun owners seem to think they know what they (the individual) are doing when it comes to guns, but don't trust others to be equally responsible - if they were, how come all these gun deaths clogging up the news?

actually many people don't always understand how polling works, there are a lot of variables and demographics and depending on the location, which community, Black, Latin, White.... it all depends where you go, how many people, it's not an exact science

The community for all the polls on that page is 'registered voters, nationwide'...

I understand why you might think the results are skewed, though. They asked Democrats, as well as 'people'. :-)

I understand how the polling process works.

Yes I know you do, the inclusion of the opinions of people who disagree with you messes up the results.

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That's just delirious.

Now you understand how many Americans feel, since gun sales have gone up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/gun-sales-up/

One of the most lucid statements you'll read about guns is greeted with a baffling, babbling rant about movies and the left. Love can induce madness.

I see...so that's it, that's the best liberals can do? Make more excuses as to why they should believe in liberal pathetic policies that would disarm them and but with the know how and the connections allow groups like the jihadis to purchase whatever they want from the black market because for all the hatred you guys spew invective rhetoric towards the NRA, you can't make pipe bombs or IEDs or do you want to male a frivolous excuse that the GOP is responsible for this as well? Good luck with that. You're not even American, so it doesn't affect you. Don't worry.

if they were, how come all these gun deaths clogging up the news?

Actually, it's the terrorist attacks that is making news. The liberals and Democrats are making the issue about guns. And they're trying their best and from the looks of gun sales, their bloviating for all its worth is falling on deaf ears.

I understand why you might think the results are skewed, though. They asked Democrats, as well as 'people

That's often the problem with certain polls and depending what the issue is and which state primarily. In Californa, I know for a fact, there are many that want strict gun control (CA Already has very stringent gun laws) a large segment of Californians have guns, but many won't admit to it and they don't have to. It can't be stopped and it shouldn't IMHO.

Yes I know you do, the inclusion of the opinions of people who disagree with you messes up the results.

And the same goes for you as well.

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"That's just delirious."

"Now you understand how many Americans feel, since gun sales have gone up."

I see. The people buying guns are delirious. Delirious people with guns. Scary.

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Now you understand how many Americans feel, since gun sales have gone up.

Gun sales have indeed risen, but they are now more concentrated in a declining number of households - in fact, the number of households with no gun owners is now lower than it has been since the 1970s.

http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822

Households with guns continue to suffer from proportionately higher gun death rates, as can be seen from the following graphs. As gun-owning households are disproportionally white and as they suffer from higher death rates, support for meaningful gun control is simply a demographic question of time.In the meantime, though, the dead-enders will continue to allow no end of havoc.

http://qz.com/437015/mapped-the-us-states-with-the-most-gun-owners-and-most-gun-deaths/

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@Bass In Californa, I know for a fact, there are many that want strict gun control (CA Already has very stringent gun laws) a large segment of Californians have guns, but many won't admit to it and they don't have to. It can't be stopped and it shouldn't IMHO.

Curious why a Californian spends so much time on this site. Doesn't the John Birch Society have an online publication for you to spew your rants?

Moderator: If post another insult like this, you will be leaving us. You owe that reader an apology.

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I see. The people buying guns are delirious. Delirious people with guns. Scary.

Ok, so that kind of answer? That's something, I would expect from most progressive liberals.

@laguna

Not buying that, if that were the case, California would be a complete wasteland. Even in cities like Compton and N.Long Beach, gun deaths are not an epidemic, now Chicago, Barack Hussein's hometown it's a different story. But will he speak out about the reason for the daily continued homicide rates, No, he will not, that's too embarrassing, but he will lecture the country about guns, but blaming actual perpetrators is not his style.

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blaming actual perpetrators is not his style

Like catching a cold and blaming the symptoms?

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Oh the "bible belt", when will you cease to amaze us with your crazy heretical podium thumpin, burn in hell spoutin' evangelistical freakiness?

Guess we know where the next "school shooting" is going to take place.

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"now Chicago, Barack Hussein's hometown" I thought you said it was Kenya

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" The call was met with rousing applause from students, but some said Falwell went too far when he appeared to be referring specifically to Muslims, the News & Advance reported. "

Ah, the political correctness kicks in with predictable reliability. So when is the last time, the News & Advance reporter has heard about about Buddhist jihadis shoot up a place to shouts of "Buddha is great"?? But saying the name of Lord Voldemort is apparently not allowed.

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I live in America. It is a great country. Enough of the anti-American idiocy.

I don't doubt the feeling of greatness is inflated by the knowledge one in three Americans owns a lethal weapon. Really reassuring. Makes you feel safe. Seriously.

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SuperLib: If we're going to live in a society with hundreds of millions of guns then we're going to have a lot of mass shootings. There's not much more to debate than that.

bass: If that were true, we would ALL be dead and we would be living like "Escape from New York" hasn't happened yet and won't happen.

I really have no idea what that means. All I'm saying is that if we're going to live in a society with hundreds of millions of guns, we're going to have a lot of mass shootings.

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With guns on campus there will be a lot of dead Christians before any Islamic terrorists visit Liberty University. It is within the realm of possibility that Falwell could get blown away by a fellow bible beater.

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The name of the person says it all. Let's hope these ''educated'' people actually use their brains and not heed his call.

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NoLiving: "OK......Perhaps you can show where and when this has happened in the USA, not necessarily in a school or due to a failing grade but when someone armed with a firearm, panics, starts shooting, and then someone sees that and starts shooting and then someone else sees that and starts shooting and so on and so on..."

Something like this happened at a Walmart not long ago, I believe. Just looked for it online so I could give you a link, but alas it keeps directing me to ANOTHER Walmart shooting that happened just three days ago, as if my point needed more proving. And why did it happen? An argument gone wrong. Now, tell me that shooting would have happened if they did not have guns -- I dare you. And as for my example, mark my words, it will most certainly happen if everyone is armed. And the morons and gun nutters WANT it to happen so they can buy 12 more guns to keep themselves "safe". Anyone who owns guns, let alone 24 or so, is a fool, plain and simple.

bass4funk: "Actually, it's the terrorist attacks that is making news."

The terrorists armed by you and yours, you mean? like the "no more baby parts" shooter last week?

"Wait a fricken minute! These people weren't bad!??? "

So, you claim they were bad before the shootings but defend their right to buy the weapons that they committed the massacre with? And you think the US doesn't have a problem??

"So then how why the Europeans don't learn."

Give us the deaths by gun per year by comparison, please. I bet you could combine the entire world, excluding war zones, and you would still only have a fraction of the US gun deaths. But please, do give us the number. I can certainly tell you that's why a rampage is NEWS in other nations, and just daily reporting in the US.

"It's a very good idea."

As is asking them all to make a big circle in a park somewhere and have a big shootout and get it over with. Let the people with a modicum of common sense and sanity live in a world without guns.

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I don't doubt the feeling of greatness is inflated by the knowledge one in three Americans owns a lethal weapon. Really reassuring. Makes you feel safe. Seriously.

So what's the problem. I own a few myself. And actually, I do feel a lot safer.

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Upon consideration, I have come to think that Falwell's idea is brilliant. If 13,000 hormone-fueled, test-stressed young adults can handle being a finger-twitch away from taking another's life, well, we all should be expected to! I'd say that Falwell should mandate gun ownership on his campus - and keep statistics, preferably over a decade. At any rate, it would help cull the herd.

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In point of fact, since you have to be 21 yo to obtain a concealed carry permit, few students would qualify. Thank God.

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anotherexpat: "In point of fact, since you have to be 21 yo to obtain a concealed carry permit, few students would qualify. Thank God."

I have no doubt the NRA, as sponsors of terrorism, would say that there should be no required age to have guns. Same as they don't require anything else except money and a wink.

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Yes; you all busy your head in the sand...oh, and don't worry about riding the Tube in London.

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I have no doubt the NRA, as sponsors of terrorism,

But not people that commit crimes using firearms? So if I shot someone in self-defense, saving someone's life (including my own) am I a terrorist for using that firearm?

would say that there should be no required age to have guns.

Utter nonesense.

Same as they don't require anything else except money and a wink

That part liberals have that down pat. Remember when Jessie Jackson Jr. tried to sell Obama's Senate seat?

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"Remember when Jessie Jackson Jr. tried to sell Obama's Senate seat?" Is this a crime?

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"Remember when Jessie Jackson Jr. tried to sell Obama's Senate seat?" Is this a crime?

The terrorists armed by you and yours, you mean?

No, I didn't sell anyone anything and even if I were a licensed gun shop owner, you would never make me feel guilty if another person is irresponsible for committing a crime. So if you flunk in school and the teacher gives you all the necessary tools and you can't make it, it's not the fault of the student. If you get lung cancer from smoking, you going to blame the tobacco industry for a personal choice? If someone gets HIV from having unprotected sex, you going to blame the condom company? If crash your car through the windshield and destroy it because you made a personal decision not to wear your seatbelt, you are going to hold the car company responsible.

When...oh, when will liberals EVER decide to take responsibilities into their own hands, but hey, Obama doesn't, so why should other Dems and libs do it?

like the "no more baby parts" shooter last week?

That was an act of terrorism, so what's your point?

"Wait a fricken minute! These people weren't bad!??? "

Of course what the guy did was bad and the majority of Americans felt bad about it. Libs don't have a problem calling that guy psycho and a terrorist which he was. Two Muslims shoot up and armed to the teeth, I might add, it's now all of a sudden a re-diagnosed case of workplace violence? Give me a break!

That would depend on how you feel about Chicago politics, if your a Kool aid drinker or not.

Jackson’s resignation ended a once-promising political career that was also tarnished by unproven allegations that he was involved in discussions to raise campaign funds for imprisoned former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich in exchange for an appointment to President Barack Obama’s vacated U.S. Senate seat. Jackson has denied the allegations

The main point is, the man went to prison, good!

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But not people that commit crimes using firearms? So if I shot someone in self-defense, saving someone's life (including my own) am I a terrorist for using that firearm?

Are the two mutually exclusive?

No, but the chances of you using a gun in self-defense are statistically insignificant.

That part liberals have that down pat. Remember when Jessie Jackson Jr. tried to sell Obama's Senate seat?

No, mainly because it didn't happen. It couldn't. Only the governor of Illinois has that right.

The mere fact you wrote that without any sort of fact check makes me wonder what other "facts" you didn't bother checking.

Nice try. Tut tut.

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bass: So what's the problem. I own a few myself. And actually, I do feel a lot safer.

And some people feel safer in cars than in airplanes, but that doesn't change the statistics,

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So are gun companies offering any kickbacks for promoting sales? 10% back when your students use the code, SHOOTME?

I remember, years ago, after some airline hijacking, people were joking about arming all the passengers for safety. Back then, people still thought the idea was funny. Now not so much.

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"Remember when Jessie Jackson Jr. tried to sell Obama's Senate seat?" Is this a crime?

That would depend on how you feel about Chicago politics, if your a Kool aid drinker or not.

The main point is, the man went to prison, good.

The terrorists armed by you and yours, you mean?

No, I didn't sell anyone anything and even if I were a licensed gun shop owner, you would never make me feel guilty if another person is irresponsible for committing a crime. So if you flunk in school and the teacher gives you all the necessary tools and you can't make it, it's not the fault of the student. If you get lung cancer from smoking, you going to blame the tobacco industry for a personal choice? If someone gets HIV from having unprotected sex, you going to blame the condom company? If crash your car through the windshield and destroy it because you made a personal decision not to wear your seatbelt, you are going to hold the car company responsible.

When...oh, when will liberals EVER decide to take responsibilities into their own hands, but hey, Obama doesn't, so why should other Dems and libs do it?

like the "no more baby parts" shooter last week?

That was an act of terrorism, so what's your point?

"Wait a fricken minute! These people weren't bad!??? "

Of course what the guy did was bad and the majority of Americans felt bad about it. Libs don't have a problem calling that guy psycho and a terrorist which he was. Two Muslims shoot up and armed to the teeth, I might add, it's now all of a sudden a re-diagnosed case of workplace violence? Give me a break!

No, but the chances of you using a gun in self-defense are statistically insignificant.

In other words, probability and hypotheticals is not something important. So why even take a look?

No, mainly because it didn't happen. It couldn't. Only the governor of Illinois has that right.

As I said, they couldn't prove it, they really couldn't prove OJ killed Nicole and Ron, but we all know the truth, that is, the people that want to accept the truth. But regardless, Jackson Jr. Spent over $750,000 in campaign funds, which he did do and thankfully served time for.

The mere fact you wrote that without any sort of fact check makes me wonder what other "facts" you didn't bother checking.

What on Earth are you talking about?

But yeah, Nice try. .

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Stop calling Liberty a university.

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“Let’s teach them a lesson if they ever show up here,” President Jerry Falwell Jr. told students Friday

Falwell is a well known nut. Liberty isn't a "University". Jerry wants eighteen year olds walking around with guns that's one very good reason to transfer out of the brain washing program at Liberty.

Typical paranoids. Just wait till one of Jerry's kids starts shooting, what a mess that will be. Completely irresponsible statement from a far right religious instigator of hate in the name of false religion. The NRA has a friend in Jerry.

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paranoids. Just wait till one of Jerry's kids starts shooting, what a mess that will be.

What if they don't?

Completely irresponsible statement from a far right religious instigator of hate in the name of false religion.

How so?

The NRA has a friend in Jerry.

Great news!

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Since semi autos are used the most in mass shootings their days of legal ownership could be numbered (or strict registration for people who really want them)

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If I were living in certain place in US and then I'll carry gun 24/7 and wear light armor vest under the clothes.

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And LU should gift every one of the students with a p226 and extra clip or two.

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What would Jesus do? These "christians" at Liberty University don't care. They should just rename themselves Pharisee University.

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Gun sales have indeed risen, but they are now more concentrated in a declining number of households - in fact, the number of households with no gun owners is now lower than it has been since the 1970s.

@Laguna - Important to note that although the gun owning household numbers as a percent of the total population maybe declining the total number of gun owners is actually increasing, at 32% with today's population equals around ~77 million gun owners while using the 50% with the population of the 1970's gives you around ~70 million gun owners.

This occurs when the population is growing faster than the gun owning house hold rate is declining. In fact that occurs with anything in general, if the population is growing faster than the declining ownership rate of something than the grand total owners of anything will grow.

Households with guns continue to suffer from proportionately higher gun death rates, as can be seen from the following graphs. As gun-owning households are disproportionally white and as they suffer from higher death rates, support for meaningful gun control is simply a demographic question of time.In the meantime, though, the dead-enders will continue to allow no end of havoc.

@Laguna - Which begs the question: What is the point? Is the point that because they suffer from proportionately higher death rates means they should not own firearms? In other words is the argument being made that because something increases the risk or odds of you being injured or killed by owning a product or engaging a service mean that you should not own those products or engage in those services or participate in an activity? If the answer is yes than that means pretty much everything should not be owned or engaged in.

As for the demographics well unfortunately it is whites that have the highest voting participation and it is elderly that vote the most and if we take a look at the death rate you are talking hundredths of one percent differences between the demographics, which means it is not killing them fast enough in order to sway the voting results.

Something like this happened at a Walmart not long ago, I believe. Just looked for it online so I could give you a link, but alas it keeps directing me to ANOTHER Walmart shooting that happened just three days ago, as if my point needed more proving.

@Smith - No something like this has not happened where a chain reaction shooting takes place among those who are legally carrying either openly or concealed.

Now, tell me that shooting would have happened if they did not have guns -- I dare you.

@Smith - If they did not have guns then yes it is highly unlikely there would have been shooting with items that can launch projectiles, like bows/crossbows, slingshots, etc. But it is irrelevant if a shooting would have taken place as violence still would have been used by the participants and injuries still would have happened and in some cases a death.

Anyone who owns guns, let alone 24 or so, is a fool, plain and simple.

@Smith - So the Harvard University shooting team is a bunch of fools? The Yale University shooting team are a bunch of fools? Why is it foolish to own a product that on an annual basis results in hundredths of one percent increase of injury or death?

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how utterly ridiculous. Give exam exhausted mentally tenuous students shotguns while you're at it. Groovy

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