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It is amusing to see the zurcroniums of the world repeatedly and desperately try and deny reality

Secret documents in Tripoli seen by the Guardian reveal the desperate attempts made by the Libyan government in its final months to influence US and world opinion. It approached key international opinion formers from the US president Barack Obama downwards. The regime tried to persuade the Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich - a well-known rebel who voted against Nato military action in Libya, and opposed the Iraq war - to visit Tripoli as part of a hastily arranged "peace mission".

The above is not from Fox News, but from the Guardian UK

Obama ! Kucinich !

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/25/libya-letters-gaddafi-nato-obama

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Super,

Heh, give him a few years Mickey Rourke will almost be a Ghadaffi double.

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Correction. It was the Sky News reporter.

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Group of us headed to Tripoli for the summer vacation. The proceeds to be split evenly. Any takers?

PS In those huge ammo dumps, almost 100% of the ammunition, anti-personnel and anti-tank mines, rockets, etc, that they are finding were made in Russia, according to the Al Jazeera reporter covering the attack on Sirte.

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"Pro-Gadhafi snipers"

Their days are numbered. I give them another week at most.

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Those who want to get this bounty should make action as swiftly as possible, otherwise the value of dollar would plummet in the near future.

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...his citizens...

Asagao, a main point in this whole matter is that a majority of "his citizens" did not want to be "his" anymore but were left with no choice but rebellion to bring the point home. They are no longer "his" citizens; they are now Libyan citizens - there is a world of difference.

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Asago: I hope North Korea and Iran are watching. An important message is being sent. Destroy any insurgents and stockpile chemical weapons and nukes.

You are weird.

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I think Mickey Rourke should play him in the movie.

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If Gaddaffi hadn't trusted the West, his civilians would all be alive.

Well, at least the ones who did as he told them

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I agree with your second point WilliB that Gaddaffi had in fact met The Wests requests and totally changed. And was he rewarded(he was a great role model for change)...his citizens are bombed and killied, and a minority tribe from the western border has looted the country. I hope North Korea and Iran are watching. An important message is being sent. Destroy any insurgents and stockpile chemical weapons and nukes. I Gaddaffi hadn't of trusted the West, his civilians would all be alive.

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"a memorial to the 1986 U.S. airstrikes on the compound in retaliation for a bombing at a German disco frequented by U.S. servicemen"

A claim which the US quietly later admitted he was not responsible for.

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If the French in 1776 had chosen to free American colonists suffering under the tyranny of King George by an all-out invasion, their support might not now be so kindly remembered; as it happened, their political, financial and limited military support probably tipped the balance. There are parallels to be drawn here.

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Readers, the U.S. invasion of Iraq is not relevant to this discussion.

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Fact is: All the arguments presented in favour of Sarkozy/Obamas illegal Libya intervention apply also to GWBs Iraq intervention, and then some. To be against one and then support the other is pure hypocrisy.

No. The justification for the Iraq invasion was simply that Iraq had WMDs (remember them?) which directly threatened western interests, combined with a suspicion in the minds of the intelectually-challenged that somehow Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.

The justification for the Libya attacks was simply to avoid a massacre of civilians who had risen up against a dictator.

And funnily enough, Mr. Bush's crazy, lie-based adventure has gone all wrong whereas the Libya intervention appears to have worked out nicely. Maybe there's a moral in there somewhere?

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Asagao:

" Nb. The Iraq invasion by Bush was not legal. Nb2. Gadaffi caused mayhem all across Africa in his early years, bringing terror and stability "

Nbb: GWB´s Iraq invasion was definitely LEGAL. Ill-advised and wrong, but LEGAL. Read the ceasefire conditions. And GWB actually went to UN to present his case -- Obama and Sarkozy just started bombing.

Nbb: Gaddafi in his later years actually met all the conditions that the West could hope for: He closed the terrorist training camps, and he closed down his nuclear program. Now all that is open again -- wait for the glorious, Al Quaeda supported rebels to decide those matters.

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Laguna:

" This revolution in Libya was organic. It was instigated and carried out by Libyan people themselves, "

The uprising against Saddam by the Kurds (against which Saddam used chemical weapons) and the Shiite marsh Arabs was also "organic". To make this distinction is ludicrious.

Fact is: All the arguments presented in favour of Sarkozy/Obamas illegal Libya intervention apply also to GWBs Iraq intervention, and then some.

To be against one and then support the other is pure hypocrisy.

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williB:

Did you support Bushes Iraq intervention too?

This revolution in Libya was organic. It was instigated and carried out by Libyan people themselves, and they would, no question, have been systematically exterminated without NATO help, no question. If such a case had also occurred in Iraq, I would have supported a similar, restricted intervention. To compare the two is simply silly.

I harbor no fantasies about the kind heartedness of the rebels as I do to no group; as any democrat, I put my faith in institutions, not any man. Gaddafi was a "big man" who resisted these institutions. It is better that he is gone, and it was right for NATO to aid in his departure.

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Brietbart/Willb

Obama met Gaddafi at a G8 summit, he didnt go to Libya to sell US arms as your neocon heros did. If they did achieve their goal then US arms would be targeting US pilots potentially. That is the neocon policy strategy for you. Suck up to dictators that you like by giving them WMDs until you do not like them. Like Rumsfeld kissing up to Saddam years ago and providing weapons he used on his own people. Ouch right back at you.

Hope the neocons learn their lessons on the right way, the Obama way, to wage a war to remove a dictator, not the way it was done in Iraq which destroyed the country, cost trillions and killed thousands of American lives. Ouch, that one really must hurt. Truth does that.

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Nb. The Iraq invasion by Bush was not legal. Nb2. Gadaffi caused mayhem all across Africa in his early years, bringing terror and stability from Liberia to DRC Congo. Saddam only kept a firm control of his mixed nation to prevent to horrid instability and civil war that America caused.

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@WilliB

Any argument that you use to support Natos illegal Libya intervention can also be used to support GWBs Iraq intervention. With the little difference that a) The Iraq intervention was actually legal and b) that Saddam was exponentially worse than Gaddafi ever was.

I suggest that you go back and read my post. I did not argue to support NATOS intervention. I was trying to do a well balanced post without taking sides, pointing to the difficulties that lay ahead.

I think any dictator deserves to be overthrown, I did not say that they should be overthrown with the help of NATO. In fact I think it would have been a lot better if he was overthrown without NATOS help/interference.

I think that all people deserve a vote and to have access to information thru free press, freedom of expression etc. And then they can decide to vote for change or sit on their asses and watch, as people do in most democracies.

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"the rebuilding of Libya"

Can they do that on their own? If not, can the Chinese or the Russians help out?

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zurconium:

2 years ago three neo-con senators were in Libya kissing up. LIberman was one of them. "

willib

"Google, and you can find pictures of Obama and all your liberal heroes kissing up to Gaddafi too. Pot-kettle-black."

Ouch.

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SquidBert:

Any argument that you use to support Natos illegal Libya intervention can also be used to support GWBs Iraq intervention. With the little difference that a) The Iraq intervention was actually legal and b) that Saddam was exponentially worse than Gaddafi ever was.

This Western cheering for yet another misguided military misadventure in an Arab country has a bizarre tinge to it. I wonder how many who now cheers the Libya war were against the Iraq war?

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The audacity of these terrorist to put a price on the head of the people's leader. The insurgents from the east should be imprisoned for their acts of terrorism and the murder and torture of civilians. They have stolen the oil...Libya's oil is Blood Oil. Where is the UN? Anybody who haddles this stolen oil by the terrorist should be arrested.

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Why do you guys think Libya is a poor country? Is it out of ignorance? Do some research. Living standard was far ahead of many many countries even though they had a dictator. Before the war, how many Libyans did you see crossing the Mediterranean?

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Laguna:

" the alternative was not palatable: the tribes supporting the rebellion would have been systematically decimated while the West just looked on "

You have bought into the party propaganda. Fact: Of course, the Gaddafi regime was oppressive. Of course he killed his opponents. But the "systematically decimated" is pure phantasy. And so is the idea that the Bengazi tribes are any different and any more more humane than Gaddafis southern tribes.

And the idea that this is somehow is about "freedom" is ludicrious You have seen the results of removing a brutal, but relatively secular dictator in Iraq. (With the same arguments, by the way. Which makes me wonder: Did you support Bushes Iraq intervention too?)

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Muammar Qaddafi is a soldier. I believe he will fight to the end, and die fighting if he has to. He means it when he says he will never surrender.

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Lets face it Gaddafi was a dictator, and as any dictator he deserved to be overthrown.

Lets also face, that the west & US has supported who ever in the middle east they thought would give them access to cheap oil.

Lets face that we don't really know how many percent of the Libyan people are behind either side. But it seems to me (from what I agree is limited information) that the rebels are supported by the majority.

Love and peace is not going to break out in Libya tomorrow, in fact they will have a long difficult road ahead of them. The best case scenario is that they will arrive at a well working democracy. But judging from earlier (pre arab spring) revolutions in the Arab world, I am not going to hold my breath for this.

The one thing that this generations revolutions has going for them, is that they have trough the internet, better contact with the surrounding world than they ever had before.

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WilliB, the alternative was not palatable: the tribes supporting the rebellion would have been systematically decimated while the West just looked on. That would not have sent a particularly salubrious message to other nations hoping to free themselves from decades-long dictatorships. NATO's response was appropriate, I think: reducing the infrastructure of the military regime but not providing ground troops. This leaves the rebels as the leading players and with them and only them with skin in the game.

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I know where he is!

My boss look like him. All he needs is the uniform.

Put him in jail and give me the money. Yay!

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zurconium:

" 2 years ago three neo-con senators were in Libya kissing up. LIberman was one of them. "

Google, and you can find pictures of Obama and all your liberal heroes kissing up to Gaddafi too. Pot-kettle-black.

In any case, this story is not over. Sarkozy, Cameron, and Obama thought they can get some quick brownie points by helping some "Arab spring" along, but these things have a way of backfiring.

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2 years ago three neo-con senators were in Libya kissing up. LIberman was one of them.

Lieberman called Libya an important ally in the war on terrorism, noting that common enemies sometimes make better friends.

This is from a wikileaks memo which is online. Maybe McCain, Lieberman and Graham should contribute to the bounty, each chip in another million or so. They were clearing the path for Libya to get US weapons.

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I am pretty amazed about that money too and i don't think that it comes from the pirates.

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"A defiant Gadhafi vowed from hiding to fight on “until victory or martyrdom,” in an audio message early Wednesday."

Why do these guys always shout such rubbish and then go into hiding? This guy will be squealing another tune when he gets caught.

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What?!!! Rebels have 2 mil? I thought they where struggling? Why ask for UN’s and US help then? Why citizens are dying of poverty when they have 2 mil to through around. Lying bastards.

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paulinusa:

Wait and see. If you believe the naive tale that "the people" have overthrown the evil dictator, and now love and peace will break out in Libya, you are in for a rude awakening.

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Remember how he was going to fight to the death? Now he's nowhere to be seen. What he really means is that EVERYONE ELSE should die fighting for him.

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