London mayor calls for second referendum on Brexit

Needed.

Yes. The whole deal looks like a rush job to me, and I'm an American.

I'm of the opinion, the narrative and logic to the "People's Vote" a three option “preferendum”, is a cynically crude, divisive and toxic attempt to fundamentally reverse, brush aside the result of the first referendum.

German social democrat Martin Schulz, calls for a “United States of Europe”.

Head of the European People’s Party, Manfred Webber, another committed federalist, a key ally of German Chancellor Angela Merkel has announced his candidacy to replace Jean-Claude Juncker president of the powerful executive Commission .

All key EU council appointments will be German lead federalists. The people of the UK, the electorate, have a once in a lifetime opportunity to voice there opposition and reach out globally. Economically and politically the other 27 will punish the UK.

After four decades of integration there is bitter disappointment that a key member state has elected to turned it back on a union that I feel has politically and economically lost its way. It is time to look beyond the EU there is a world out there.

Yeah, and if they still vote to exit, let’s have a third and a fourth until we get a “stay” vote!

Khan blamed the government's handling of the negotiations and said the threat to living standards, the economy and jobs was too great for voters not to have a say

This guy has no place to talk about such matters, given that under his mayoral tenure, London has seen a rise in knife crime of 47%, unemployment by 30% and immigration up by more than 40%.

1.6 million people were clear in their votes to leave the EU and those crying for another vote should accept the outcome and shut up!

This guy has no place to talk about such matters, given that under his mayoral tenure, London has seen a rise in knife crime of 47%, unemployment by 30% and immigration up by more than 40%.

What power does the London mayor have with regards to immigration into the UK?

Anyway, the public voted out. Out it is.

Hi Jimizo, your comment is poignant.

How can the electorate vote for any party that is truly, genuinely, supportive of social equality?

I believe that genuine social equality is the key to political economic success, unfortunately the political will is not in the here and now. .

Bah.

The reality is a bad deal. Or no deal.

This didn’t need to happen. Although I hear posh-boy David Cameron is enjoying his new life - like all the toffee nosed upper class batty boys they won’t be ruined by Brexit. I’m not so sure about everyone else...

A lot of young Londoners who would like to get their foot on the property ladder wouldn't mind a significant drop in house prices. Mark Carney has predicted this will happen with a no-deal Brexit. If 'generation rent' believe him, they might be more inclined to vote 'leave' in a second referendum.

I thought both sides agree to abide by the results of the original referendum.

What if the Russians interfere with the second referendum? They've obviously become very good at interfering with elections in foreign countries, according to some people...

What if the Russians interfere with the second referendum? They've obviously become very good at interfering with elections in foreign countries, according to some people...

According to intelligent people.

"According to intelligent people."

Or, according to people with just one agenda.

"Basically it was the Caucasians who voted for the exit."

Oh, well then, since the first referendum was close, and a slew of non-whites have entered the country and obtained voting rights since then, Brexit would definitely lose a second referendum.

"Their hope is to restrict people of color coming into the country"

I think many U.K. citizens of all colors are concerned about Muslims, who would like to make everyone in the world follow Shariah law, coming into the country.

Oh, well then, since the first referendum was close, and a slew of non-whites have entered the country and obtained voting rights since then, Brexit would definitely lose a second referendum.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to project the ideas of gibbering bobble-heads like Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson when talking about the US on to what’s going on in another country.

Brexit came about for a variety of reasons.

1.6 million people were clear in their votes to leave the EU..........

Only approx. one third of eligible voters voted for Brexit based on what they were being told at the time and some innate racism. However, now that so many people are beginning to realise just how much of a disaster Brexit is going to be, a new vote now that people are better informed of the consequences is necessary. If Brexit is still perceived to be a good thing then it will be reflected in the vote so Brexit supporters should have nothing to worry about.

This guy has no place to talk about such matters, given that under his mayoral tenure, London has seen a rise in knife crime of 47%, unemployment by 30% and immigration up by more than 40%.

Obvious the poster has a problem with a d.....excuse me, someone who doesn't resemble him or her, running the show in his/her beloved London and is using bs figures to make a point...

But you're right on one thing: leave of the EU :)

After four decades of integration there is bitter disappointment that a key member state has elected to turned it back on a union that I feel has politically and economically lost its way. It is time to look beyond the EU there is a world out there.

Many continentals are not bitter at all that the UK is leaving and the UK will be the underlying party of any deal. The € 10 billion net contribution is no problem for the 27 remaining members and the UK will have to pay € 50 billion as leave fee anyway ..

Hundreds of companies from the UK arrived already on continental soil from fin tech, traders, banks as well as European HQs for non-European companies.

In my hometown we've problems housing the high educated newcomers and international schools have capacity problems.

Within 2 yrs after the 29th of March 2019 border control will be reinstalled and may lead to, for example, less lades and lassies trashing continental inner cities.

There always be trade between the EU and the UK but there will be different price tags.

And what the world 'beyond the EU' concerns, the EU made already excellent deals with a.o. Japan, South Korea, South Africa, implemented CETA with Canada, and is busy with Mexico and the Mercasur...

With Theresa May insistent that leaving the EU will involve exiting the customs union and the bloc’s external commercial policy, the announcement from Brussels opens up the possibility that the EU could enjoy better terms with the two Commonwealth nations { Australia & New Zealand ] after Brexit than the UK will.

The Guardian- May 22, 2018

The Brits have made some tours and are thinking about joining in TPP..

Is the island on drift? :)

Hi Netgrump, The power of legislative authority is the sole responsibility of the European Council there's no minutes taken, any discussion, debate, every policy decision is made in secret.

The EU parliament is a farce, an illusion. A yes/no talking shop where yes means maybe, and maybe morphs into never.

Look, an example is Government of Hungry, Prime Minister Viktor Orban, the triggering of so called Article 7 mechanism.

Humbly the UK gross contribution is the real deal-breaker, game changer, deducting the rebate is a red herring …...The number inclusive of GNI,VAT, and customs contributions

The UK's contribution to the EU budget

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7886

My sincere apologies to the people of Hungary.

Hungry, frankly is a trip to Mos Burger. Please forgive me

May is Remainer, and she is in charge of the Brexit negotiations, while other leaders of the ruling class, like Carney, are also Remainers, who, incidentally, is now strategically coming out with doom and gloom comments. That is a big part of the problem.

The power of legislative authority is the sole responsibility of the European Council there's no minutes taken, any discussion, debate, every policy decision is made in secret.

Based on what knowledge? :)

The EU parliament is a farce, an illusion. A yes/no talking shop where yes means maybe, and maybe morphs into never.

The problems with the EU parliament are based on cultural differences and inequality between the economies and the level of the MPs. With every new generation the communication get's better, produce better educated MPs and growing economies in the Eastern territories. The challenge belongs to this adventure. The Union will be one of nation states and no a USE but with the benefits of integrated defence, intelligence, labor and social conditions etc etc.

Look, an example is Government of Hungry, Prime Minister Viktor Orban, the triggering of so called Article 7 mechanism.

Given your silly apology to the Hungarian people I presume that your an admirer of the little fascist Orban :)

Humbly the UK gross contribution is the real deal-breaker, game changer, deducting the rebate is a red herring …...The number inclusive of GNI,VAT, and customs contributions

Like most Trumpists many Brexiteers have limited knowledge about math and stats ..

The current situation in British parliament and the Conservative Party particularly shows who's in charge with March 2019 in sight. Brexiteers always exaggerated their contribution. Per capita my home country contributes 4 times as much as the Brits. Some businesses on the continent will definitely be hurt by the Brexit but the UK will be hurt more. The EU has way more alternatives.

Who owns your industry for example? Who owns the City? :)

Well Netgrump, let review the the European Ombudsman, Emily O'Reilly recommendations......

Ombudsman says Member States must open up their opaque negotiations on EU laws

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/press-release/en/89685

Please excuse my silly apology, put it down to my English sense of humour. excuse me if it irritates

As a hafu, the English half sometimes displays a satirical absurdity.

History dictates that Eastern European states were unlikely candidates for centralist liberal policies of the European Union.

Politically “one reaps what they sow”.

Actually Prime Minister Viktor Orban, is not a fascist, however that doesn't excuse Viktor Orban fragment disregard for democratic freedoms and fundamental human rights.

Honestly, Netgrump we are not going to agree are we​?

Certainly not on the issues surrounding the UK leaving the European Union.

The financial institutions associated to the City of London, banking, brokerage, insurance, trading, employs over one point three million people but its history and diversity is remarkable. Ownership? That politics …....Don't you think?

The City of London’s strange history......

https://www.ft.com/content/7c8f24fa-3aa5-11e4-bd08-00144feabdc0

The flaws in the legislative procedures are laid bare in this note, again from the commissions own ombudsman.....

Commission should develop new procedure for appointing its Secretary-General

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/press-release/en/102716

However what power politically does the European Ombudsman process other than to boo from the gallery.

@ itsonlyrocknroll

 let review the the European Ombudsman, Emily O'Reilly recommendations...... 

Ombudsman says Member States must open up their opaque negotiations on EU laws

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/press-release/en/89685

The Ombudsman brought up legitimate concerns that should be addressed....

Heard of her but never saw her page so the link is going straight into my EU file, thx.

...but to say that there 'no minutes' taken all the time and that all processes lack transparency is not true ..

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/minutes.html

Please excuse my silly apology, put it down to my English sense of humour. excuse me if it irritates

Not at all as I'll take your English sense of humour ..actually sumimasen for not recognising you directly as we had another 'session' on another thread. I would have approached you differently, so next time I will say, if necessary, gomen nasai :)

As a hafu, the English half sometimes displays a satirical absurdity.

Is that so, interesting... :)

History dictates that Eastern European states were unlikely candidates for centralist liberal policies of the European Union.

Politically “one reaps what they sow”.

Agree but there were probably geopolitical drivers who prevailed..

*Actually Prime Minister Viktor Orban, is not a fascist, however that doesn't excuse Viktor Orban fragment disregard for democratic freedoms and fundamental human rights**.*

True, he's elected democratically, but I called him a 'little fascist' for the reasons you pointed out above...

Yesterday I saw some footage on TV about Hungarians interviewed in the streets what the thought about the Art. 7 measurement. Some hailed the EU report as they see the issues on human rights and democracy disturbing their lives. Others said that not Orban but the people voted against refugees / immigrants and that the Europeans loved them except for those in Brussels. There's not much to argue about other Europeans supporting the stand of the Hungarians against immigration.

*H*onestly, Netgrump we are not going to agree are we​?

Certainly not on the issues surrounding the UK leaving the European Union.

We can agree that there are issues about transparency and decision making in the EU but with every new generation we get better MPs, better communication.

Like many others in the North we wished that the Eurozone would have been smaller in the first place and that the acceptance of new members should be based on strict rules and on shown economic and financial performance. The silent entrance of Bulgaria is a joke.

Exaggerating the Brexit 'thingy' is partly banter from my side as I really don't care how things will turn out at the end.

It's not like that the Atlantic Wall will be reinstalled in the future.

But yes, we always can agree to disagree concerning the UK leaving the EU :)

The financial institutions associated to the City of London, banking, brokerage, insurance, trading, employs over one point three million people but its history and diversity is remarkable. Ownership? That politics …....Don't you think?

Sure, the City will remain playing an important role globally as you can't replace all the expertise and, not unimportantly, the mentality that belongs to the financial business, embedded in many Anglo Saxons :)

However what power politically does the European Ombudsman process other than to boo from the gallery.

More or less like the National Ombudsman, media coverage but not always followed up and addressed by our elected MPs..

I mentioned my English and Japanese heritage to also emphasize when moving and taking up citizenship in another country a person loses every day cultural nuances one takes for granted.

With this in mind, a country or state integrating over a period of decades, economically and politically, the break or loss is much more profound. Which could explain why both the UK and the 27 will find a compromise or fudge, context and wording.

Good luck Netgrump

I mentioned my English and Japanese heritage to also emphasize when moving and taking up citizenship in another country a person loses every day cultural nuances one takes for granted.

You can be part of a larger framework without losing the cultural heritage of a single nation state. Keep in mind that 'culture' is always changing by time and that the differences between the EU tribes can make life interesting as well. As a half you should know that :)

As a connoisseur of classic and contemporary J filmmaking I love to hear J actresses or actors with English diction...Cheers.

https://youtu.be/T5yIAoTUHgM

hafu **