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By GREGORY KATZ and DANICA KIRKA LONDON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
40 Comments
Mr Kipling
Great job by the police.... Problem solved and no time and money wasted on trials and prison.
kurisupisu
Islamic terror?
A recurring theme...
Ah_so
Wow - I know the area quite well and have been up and down that road hundreds of times.
This is the second terror attack in the UK by someone recently released from prison. It will definitely lead to further thoughts about whether it is really ever safe to release terrorists.
CrazyJoe
So London Mayor Sadiq Khan says terrorists will never succeed in dividing Londoners and destroying their way of life. Same comments he always makes. And what exactly is your plan Mayor?
Tangerine2000
If someone has been arrested for terrorism related offences and they have dual citizenship, they should have their British citizenship stripped from them and then automatic deportation.
If they only have British citizenship. Prison with no release.
If they have killed people through terrorism. Hanging.
Alfie Noakes
Here it is:
https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/mayors-office-policing-and-crime-mopac/police-and-crime-plan-safer-city-all-londoners
10 years of Tory "austerity" saw police numbers fall by 20,000 from 2010 to 2017. Maybe a better question would be "What is the Tory government planning to do?"
kurisupisu
The problem isn’t lack of police!
It is radicalisation.
Tangerine2000
Agreed. Lack of police did not cause this.
Alfie Noakes
Would that include Thomas Mair, the right-wing fanatic who murdered MP Jo Cox, and the right-wing fanatic Darren Osborne who murdered a Muslim grandfather outside a Finsbury Park mosque? Or does your fantastic plan only apply to Muslims?
starpunk
Some of the terrorism in the UK (and all of Europe) is not Islamic extremism related. There's the IRA and Gaddafi was a menace for decades. Some Libyans who are pissed about the overthrow and death of their 'Brother Leader' may be doing some of it too, and Gaddafi's terrorism had nothing to do with religious fanaticism.
No Business
That part of London has always been very undesirable. Thank goodness the police were allowed to shoot this person dead, without all the usual hand-wringing and crying.
Tangerine2000
Brexit has got nothing to do with this. Advocating sensible policies is seen as far-right by you for some reason.
u_s__reamer
Present conditions in many societies around the world are producing many individuals with mental health issues, walking time-bombs that can detonate for myriad reasons, often triggered by low self-esteem leading to resentment, a thirst for revenge with or without religion or politics as the icing on the (fruit) cake.
Toasted Heretic
Depends. Like any other part of London, there's good and bad. If you're heading towards Mitcham Lane, it used to be well dodgy on a Saturday night. If you're around Streatham Hill, that's pretty much a regular area and the only let down really is lack of a tube station.
It's a shame that the police had to shoot this man.
Toasted Heretic
Yes, Libya supplied the IRA with guns in the 70s and 80s (or tried to in the case of Blaney and Haughey) but that's all over now. As is the IRA, when they decommissioned their arms and disbanded. Incidentally, America was also financing the IRA. (Obviously, when I say Libya and America in this context I mean organizations within the countries and not their governments).
Jimizo
Do you think cutting the number of police when the UK has a problem with radicalisation is a good idea?
Toasted Heretic
The police station is Streatham was shut down and sold off by Boris Johnson, whilst he was Mayor. There were quite a few lost in south London, as far as I'm aware.
Jimizo
That’s true, but we have to be honest and say a disproportionate amount of it is.
Tangerine2000
Jimizo, the terrorist was actually being tailed by police at the time. It is suspected that he knew he was being followed and tried to carry out an attack. Thankfully, because the police were there, the casualities were minimal.
I agree with you that it has been a terrible policy to reduce police numbers and that more is part of the answer.
However, according to the police, there are 23,000 jihadi extremists on their watchlist, with 3,000 of them requiring 24-hour surveillance.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq
It takes on average 8-10 officers to monitor one suspect.
Even with 100,000 more police, this problem isn't going to be stopped. Even with this story, the police knew about the suspect, were on the scene at the time and stopped him as quickly as humanly possible, but two people still became victims.
Tangerine2000
Toasted, what on earth!?
The man had been arrested for 13 terror offences, boasted about wanting to carry out a knife or acid terror attack, tried to kill people, wounded two and was wearing a hoax suicide bomb vest.
Toasted Heretic
It's a shame they had to shoot and kill the man.
I'd rather have seen him in a secure mental health facility. Odd how some people want hangings and other medieval solutions.
Radicalization is a problem. But then, so is the constant, daily bigotry that Muslims face from the British press and online. Perhaps such bigotry makes weaker people snap and give in to the propaganda of terrorism. Perhaps they see the UK in cahoots with the US, when it comes to attacks on Middle Eastern countries.
There's always more to it, than meets the eye.
None of which justifies this incident, obviously.
Jimizo
I know. It’s an enormous problem. I’m not saying it’s possible to monitor everyone, but cutting the number of police in the face of this is at best rank stupidity.
Toasted Heretic
Presumably, those wanting to re-introduce the barbaric death penalty, will be fine applying it to the white supremacists who have killed other British people and the British soldiers who murdered 13 Irish people 48 years ago in the Bogside?
Didn't think so.
starpunk
ISIL has committed terrorism in the UK because that's within its reach. But the UK was also within Gadhafi's reach during the 70s - 2011 and they did some numbers there themselves. After Gadhafi was deposed and killed there were some 'lone wolf' Libyans who terrorized within Gadhafi's 'range', even without their 'boss'. It's just because.
Gadhafi did not tolerate any opposition in Libya, and that included Muslim fanatics. Since he was overthrown and killed it's been a free-for-all for Islamic fanatics there too and the new (but weak) democratic government of Libya is trying to halt the problems they create, with great difficulty.
Tangerine2000
Death penalty would apply to all who warrant it.
starpunk
The cops knew about this person and his track record. If shooting this man is what it takes to protect the public so be it. But killing should only be as a last resort. The US needs to relearn this. You do what you gotta do, to protect the public. But if you can subdue the suspect in any other way, the better.
starpunk
Besides, if it appears that if the suspect does have a bomb, do ya want to take a chance? Public safety is supposed to be #1.
Jimizo
Just on a practical level, I don’t think the death penalty would deter Jihadis.
Paradise awaits.
Tangerine2000
@Jimizo
Yes, I would agree with that.
However, the death penatly would serve three practical purposes.
First, money wouldn't be spend on them as it would for decades in prison. The money saved could instead be used to hire multiple extra police officers. Thus, the country becomes a little bit safer.
Second, even if it deters 1% of other potential terrorists, it's a postive. That will save innocent lives.
Third, the public will feel that justice has been done.
mrtinjp
Would that include Thomas Mair, the right-wing fanatic who murdered MP Jo Cox, and the right-wing fanatic Darren Osborne who murdered a Muslim grandfather outside a Finsbury Park mosque? Or does your fantastic plan only apply to Muslims?
This should apply to any fanatic, jihadi, right-wing, warmonger etc..
bass4funk
I disagree.
WilliB
starpunk:
He was not just "overthrown" out of nowhere. It was the US government under Obama/Clinton and the EU which acted as airforce for the Jihadist rebels. Let us not forget that. That was state-sponsored terrorism. Many of us objected to this murderous policy.
Ah_so
Quite untue. It was originally a very desirable upper-middle class suburb. It has a lot of vast houses that remain very desirable. It is probably best described as a mixed area.
Tangerine2000
Inmates? Maintain?
They would be executed within hours of the crime. Very little cost.
Chip Star
A very high cost to society if the convicted’s due process is violated or it was a mistaken conviction.
ulysses
You have. Westerners are not the only ones targeted by these terrorists.
To a muddled mind, maybe, but it is exposing a narrow minded thinking for what it is!!
Tangerine2000
There is no need for due process if a terrorist has killed people and there's immutable evidence like today's events.
A high cost to society is when a terrorist is afforded a court case with a barrister and a bed, food, water, heating etc.
Tangerine2000
Terrorists aren't civilised.