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The only UFO I believe is the "UFO" rock band..

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worst case is finding out the chinese/russians have tech that the americans dont have

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Dad was a pilot and saw a few UFOs. The rest of the crew also saw them. Together they decided never to mention it, since at the time, it was bad for a career.

I believe in UFOs. I doubt they are visitors from other stars. Math gets in the way. Rather, they are just things we don't understand yet.

Freak events that happen, like when it rains frogs. https://globalnews.ca/news/4371433/calgary-raining-frogs/

A few weeks ago, 60 Minutes, the respected Sunday evening news TV magazine, had a report about the release of these videos and interviewed a number of the people listed in the article. I'm positive that report is on Youtube somewhere. Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY 13 minutes long.

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Yet another “conspiracy theory” later found to be true.

that seems to be quite common these days.

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Considering the size of space to think this little blue speck is the only place with living creatures is pure human ignorance.

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monkey python put it well in the meaning of life.

https://youtu.be/buqtdpuZxvk

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Yet another “conspiracy theory” later found to be true.

that seems to be quite common these days.

It isn't common.

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Yet another “conspiracy theory” later found to be true.

that seems to be quite common these days.

My bet is it is some kind of US technology that US would rather remain unacknowledged. The USAF was flying experimental aircraft with disc shaped wings and blended bodies from 1949-1967. The larger disc aircraft depicted has a 166 foot diameter, about the same as the wingspan of a B-47 so not a small aircraft. It could launch smaller disc drones that could be armed. They reportedly could fly high and fast enough to achieve what could be termed as space flight.

Fighter pilots encountering "UFO"s isn't new either. Former Mercury Seven astronaut and test pilot Gordon Cooper and his squadron-mates attempted to intercept a group of silver saucer shaped craft circa 1951 in the skies over Europe. Flying their F-86 Saber jets at 45,000 feet, they were unable to catch the discs. Gordon Cooper reported that the discs were flying much higher, and traveling far to fast to be intercepted by his F-86. Colonel Cooper recalled that these discs were seen in flying formations of four and sixteen. Past as prolude to the future? I also believe the US doesn't want its very terrestrial adversaries to see the world through the sensors carried on US aircraft and combat ships.

https://thecryptozoologist.webs.com/apps/blog/show/6335018-are-u-s-built-flying-wing-disc-aircraft-an-explanation-for-many-ufo-sightings

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I fat fingered and the larger aircraft was 116 feet diameter. Apologies, no intention to exaggerate.

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I'm not saying it's the Aliens....

...but it's the Aliens...

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Considering the size of space to think this little blue speck is the only place with living creatures is pure human ignorance.

I agree — but considering the size of space, the odds of aliens making it to Earth is so small as to be functionally zero.

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In essence: I think aliens must exist, and I highly doubt that (given our current level of technology) we have or will ever meet any.

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Once again this thing swings round, but at least there are a couple more inventive explanations on top of the familiar older ones.

"What are 'they' hiding from us?" Every few years pressure from the public to reveal whatever is thought to be concealed grows too strong, and the bubble is allowed to burst anew. Lancing the boil. Messy but necessary, even if it does not really get us anywhere.

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 but considering the size of space, the odds of aliens making it to Earth is so small as to be functionally zero

We broadcast our presence to the universe. Consider all the radio and radar emissions coming from Earth. We are like a bright rotating beacon in the RF spectrum, hard to miss.

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 Every few years pressure from the public to reveal whatever is thought to be concealed grows too strong, and the bubble is allowed to burst anew. Lancing the boil. Messy but necessary, even if it does not really get us anywhere.

Sometimes we learn juicy tidbits. When LBJ was running for election against Barry Goldwater he was often accused of not doing enough with regard to national defense. It was during this campaign that in a speech he revealed the existence of the SR-17 Blackbird (the CIA's slightly smaller version the A-12 remained classified a bit longer). Many yeas later during a defense budget fight the USAF was proposing to retire a block of early Global Hawks. The Honorable (cough cough) Congressman from Palmdale was indignant and Congress was going to stop the Chair Force from doing that. It was in this situation that the Air Force brass revealed they had another big long range UAS called RQ-180, but nothing more, they preferred to spend their resources on. You will never find any open source details on this UAS but the USAF admits it exists. We all saw a strange helicopter crashed during the Bin Laden raid but nobody has ever said what it was much less provided any detail about it. And just this past September the USAF revealed it has been testing a prototype new fighter called NGAD for Next Generation Air Dominance and they broke some records with it. Supposedly it is close to production. There are aircraft that have been developed, flown operationally and retired and their replacement developed without ever being revealed to the public.

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We broadcast our presence to the universe. Consider all the radio and radar emissions coming from Earth. We are like a bright rotating beacon in the RF spectrum, hard to miss.

The very first radiowaves could have gone about 200 lightyears from Earth. Our galaxy alone is over 52,000 lightyears in diameter. Most radiowaves, especially early ones, would have been distorted by our ionosphere, and will be weak where they are now. Radiowaves are also caused by a number of natural phenomena in the cosmos.

It's just not feasible that aliens will have discovered our signals, especially given how rare intelligent life appears to be in the universe (to our knowledge, it only exists on Earth). Space is really just that big. this article (https://www.planetary.org/articles/3390) shows a small blue dot. It's not the Earth, it's the extent our radiowaves have gone in the last century. It's barely worth considering in terms of galactic distance.

I do believe that aliens must exist. I don't think we will ever meet any. To quote the wisest sentence on the enormity of the universe:

"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-boggling big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. Listen; when you're thinking big, think bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real 'wow, that's big', time. It's just so big that by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here."

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In my opinion, UFOs are either natural phenomena, misidentification, or classified prototypes.

The “flying wing” and “rocketship” UFOs of the 50’s and 60’s bearing a striking resemblance to stealth aircraft and high speed reconnaissance aircraft is no coincidence.

The govt is playing along with the UFO explanation to draw attention away from its top secret projects that we’ll probably see in 20 or 30 years.

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Like this is a shocking news revelation. LOL

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@theFu I believe in UFOs.

other life forms are highly likely, but they won’t be a warped human like species in round flying metal tin cans.

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"The Day After Roswell" by Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso. It's a very interesting book. The military has been feigning ignorance for a very long time on the issue of UFOs and ETs.

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I do believe that aliens must exist. I don't think we will ever meet any.

I'm not so pessimistic. Someday a space probe from Earth will burn through an alien atmosphere, blow open a parachute and with rockets gently settle to the surface of a distant alien planet. It might be many hours or even years later that Earthlings know it landed. This probe will unfold its solar panels to generate energy from the light of a distant star, perhaps a star other than our Sun. It will raise its camera and take the first pictures of its surroundings and off in the near distance will be a lander from a civilization unknown to Earth. The alien spacecraft might even have some sort of drone or rover that comes over to inspect the spacecraft from Earth. And when the pictures of this encounter arrive on Earth it will be pandemonium. I can't wait for the day !

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The very first radiowaves could have gone about 200 lightyears from Earth. Our galaxy alone is over 52,000 lightyears in diameter

How about modern high powered radio waves? How about something like the big radars used for tracking satellites and incoming ICBMs? The closest stars to our solar system are on the order of just over 4 light years away and there are 63 stars and 53 stellar systems within 5.0 parasecs, or 16.3 light years from our Sun. An advanced civilization with probes in place in multiple stellar systems, or maybe even colonies, could very well be aware of Earth's radio emissions, might even understand what some are.

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Someday a space probe from Earth will burn through an alien atmosphere, blow open a parachute and with rockets gently settle to the surface of a distant alien planet.

Well, this has happened. We've landed probes on Mars and Venus. If by "distant" you mean in another solar system, I mean, possibly. But the nearest star to us is four lightyears away. That is, if you could move at the speed of light (which is impossible) it would take four years to get there. We're nowhere close to the speed of light. And we know that Alpha Centuari doesn't have planets capable of supporting life.

It might be many hours or even years later that Earthlings know it landed. 

It'll be years. Again, if we were to land a probe on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri, it would take four years to send a signal the probe could react to.

This probe will unfold its solar panels to generate energy from the light of a distant star, perhaps a star other than our Sun. 

Well, it would have to be a star other than our sun. We can't draw solar energy from the stars in the sky (AFAIK), and you wouldn't be able to draw it from the sun if you were in a different solar system. Like, the sun doesn't come with the probe.

It will raise its camera and take the first pictures of its surroundings and off in the near distance will be a lander from a civilization unknown to Earth. The alien spacecraft might even have some sort of drone or rover that comes over to inspect the spacecraft from Earth. 

This will not happen. Any alien civilization would be unlikely to shoot a probe to a random planet within our stellar neighbourhood, just at random, and it randomly picks the same planet as we do, and it randomly picks the same place to land on that planet despite coming from a completely different direction.

And when the pictures of this encounter arrive on Earth it will be pandemonium. I can't wait for the day !

I assure you that you can.

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How about modern high powered radio waves? How about something like the big radars used for tracking satellites and incoming ICBMs? 

These are far more recent, and therefore have an even smaller range than our earliest man-made radio signals. You cannot exceed the speed of light.

The closest stars to our solar system are on the order of just over 4 light years away and there are 63 stars and 53 stellar systems within 5.0 parasecs, or 16.3 light years from our Sun.

And we know that none of them have planets around them capable of supporting life.

An advanced civilization with probes in place in multiple stellar systems, or maybe even colonies, could very well be aware of Earth's radio emissions, might even understand what some are.

Such probes do not exist. If they did, there would be tell-tale signs that astrophysicists could see that would reveal that they are artificial, and are sending out signals of their own, the way our probes do. 16 light years is an impassable distance for people, at our current level of technology. Our most distant probe, Voyager 1, launched in 1977, is currently about 23 billion km from the Earth. One light year - just one - is about 9.5 trillion km.

However, we would be able to detect the signals from such probes if they existed, even if they were 16 years out of date. But we haven't. Because they don't exist.

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It s well known to all us X-Files fans that aliens have already made their plans of colonizing earth by creating alien-human hybrids. Experiments on genetic manipulation have been going on for years. The US government is in cahoots with the aliens because they know that there is no stopping the technologically advanced extra terrestrial life forms capable of shifting shapes, so might as well collaborate with them and secure safe passage for the family members of top government officials like the Cigarette Smoking Man and the Syndicate, who have for years been the power behind the throne of all US administrations.

Fox Mulder was right all along. The truth is out there. Trust no one.

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Huge, if true.

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I can't see intelligent life wanting to communicate with our destructive virus of a species. Unless they are coming to take over.

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The US government is in cahoots with the aliens because they know that there is no stopping the technologically advanced extra terrestrial life forms capable of shifting shapes, so might as well collaborate with them and secure safe passage for the family members of top government officials like the Cigarette Smoking Man and the Syndicate, who have for years been the power behind the throne of all US administrations.

It still sounds more reasonable the QANon

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The UFOs are searching for intelligent life on the Earth, but have not found any yet.

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UFOs can be man-made, just.................... Unidentified

The very first radiowaves could have gone about 200 lightyears from Earth.

How about modern high powered radio waves? How about something like the big radars used for tracking satellites and incoming ICBMs? The closest stars to our solar system are on the order of just over 4 light years away and there are 63 stars and 53 stellar systems within 5.0 parasecs, or 16.3 light years from our Sun. An advanced civilization with probes in place in multiple stellar systems, or maybe even colonies, could very well be aware of Earth's radio emissions, might even understand what some are.

That's the thing - it's not just a matter of distance, but also a matter of what stage in their evolution those possible sentient aliens are

They may not be as advanced as we are and don't do radio waves yet. Or so advanced that they already died out long ago, and their radio waves had already passed us by before we learned the ability to detect it. Etc.

Distance and stage have to align

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Folks don't get how huge space is.

There is no known way for peoples from other stars to get to Earth within hundreds of years. That means any trip would need generational ships. Those would need to be massive, excluding any engine or fuel size requirements. They wouldn't be hidden.

I have no doubt there is life on other worlds. None. Life is probably everywhere.

I have a tiny amount of doubt that life on other worlds is technologically advanced. But space is huge. There have to be millions of technologically advanced beings out there among the billions of stars.

Travel to different star systems is the real cut-off point. It cannot be common.

As others have said, radio travels at the speed of light with power received as a 1/r^2 law. They get weak, fast. RF signals have only left Earth since 1880 when first experiments began. Only stars, with planets, with beings able to receive weak RF transmissions, within the 141 LYR range of Earth would even know about us. It will spend the next 170,000+ years moving across the galaxy. So, let's say we get lucky and another civilization is within 1,000 lightyears who can even hear the signals. What percentage of those civilizations would

a) care to do anything,

b) have the ability for interstellar space travel,

c) decide NOT to attempt RF communications first,

d) decide to actually send a mission to Earth?

It wouldn't be a trivial undertaking. Wouldn't they try radio communication first? Perhaps laser communication? Maybe 1/1,000,000 would bother. So - now we looking at 1/1,000,000,000,000 chances. Let's stick with "not likely." Pigs would be flying in frozen hell first.

I suppose we could be an experiment for some white mice and they could have been watching our growth for the last 100,000 yrs. ;)

It is surprising how otherwise smart people get confused by all the scifi in the world that doesn't have any real bearing on what is actually possible. There is no faster-than-light travel or communications. It doesn't exist.

Space is huge.

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But space is huge. There have to be millions of technologically advanced beings out there among the billions of stars.

correction: billions of stars in each galaxy. There are billions of galaxies.

If we stick to only civilizations within 1,000 light years of Sol, there might be 2-3 that are technologically advanced enough to have interstellar travel. Probably less.

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FarmboyToday  08:00 pm JST

The UFOs are searching for intelligent life on the Earth, but have not found any yet.

I wonder what made them think that Roswell, New Mexico was a good place to start?

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@theFu - today you may have been reading in the Science Press sections that Einsteins Theory of Relativity may actually be proven wrong by the discovery of Dark matter. Were that to be the case, then Physics changes quite a bit, as too the FTL restriction.

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The report thats going to be issued will acknowledge that they dont know what they saw, but that they have evidence that they saw something which wasnt a technical glitch.....

Exciting stuff....

meh

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Considering the size of space to think this little blue speck is the only place with living creatures is pure human ignorance.

Not entirely, I think. While space is massive, we still don't know how life on earth actually came about, and so we don't know how unlikely an event it was. We can wonder whether its unlikeness on the small side matches the size of space on the large side, and so there might just be us.

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well... human beings have existed in a mere blip of time on this planet - 200,000 years, in Comparison, Dinosaurs existed for about 165 MILLION years.

Who knows, we may just simply be an intergalactic experiment...

So far, we've possibly done pretty well so far... though we remain forever in the threat of killing ourselves off, one way or another... a bit like a Mental Patient could be viewed. So I guess, if we ARE an experiment, and we DO blow ourselves out of existence, then those who are the experimenters will try something else... maybe these beings within the "UFO's" are our "Gods"...?

Who knows... anyway, small down to earth matters are more important than Sci-Fi stories at present.

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unlikeness 

I guess I meant "unlikeliness", but is that even a word?

(Sorry, it's Friday. )

today you may have been reading in the Science Press sections that Einsteins Theory of Relativity may actually be proven wrong

And so should we consider that these UFO sightings are not objects from a distant alien culture but from our own planet's future? (Please not that I'm not promoting this idea. Einstein's theories are massive in a sense and simple in another. I don't think most of us have taken in the consequences of relativity. I'm still trying.)

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This will not happen. Any alien civilization would be unlikely to shoot a probe to a random planet within our stellar neighbourhood, just at random, and it randomly picks the same planet as we do, and it randomly picks the same place to land on that planet despite coming from a completely different direction

Considering that our scientists choose the landing sites for our probes based on their scientific value, it makes perfect sense to me that another civilization exploring the same planet would be interested in placing a lander on the same sites as Earthlings choose, seeking to answer the same questions. Your hypothesis only makes sense if the choice of landing sites is purely random, however that is never the case at least for NASA probes.

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The govt is playing along with the UFO explanation to draw attention away from its top secret projects that we’ll probably see in 20 or 30 years.

Probably true, but there is more to it. The military is grounded in realism. Regardless of a nations politics the laws of physics and chemistry are the same everywhere. Winning a military engagement doesn't often depend on the ideology of the adversaries. It depends on knowable physical attributes of equipment, the tactics used to employ them, the level of training of your forces and the resources (logistics) available to sustain a fight. So military people tend to be very grounded in what is knowable and doable and not often prone to believing wild stories that cannot be proven. As an officer saying something is a UFO from an alien civilization and in the process being seen as a kook isn't, to use our old term, "career enhancing". Most military people will avert their gaze from someone who talks about UFOs, Roswell and little green men. The conversation will end with something like "ok, let's get back to reality here" while the skipper quietly orders a psyche review of the member going off about UFOs. It is not a conspiracy of silence to hide something as much as most people in the military don't buy the wild rumors about Roswell, discount stories about UFOs and even when they see something they can't explain tend to question themselves about what they think they saw. There is a strong tendency to attribute it to something terrestrial and explainable.

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@theFu - today you may have been reading in the Science Press sections that Einsteins Theory of Relativity may actually be proven wrong by the discovery of Dark matter. 

Not necessarily. For one thing dark matter is essential for the theory of relativity to be valid. Without dark matter the theory falls apart. Read how the distribution of dark matter inferred. It has not been observed directly but inferred from estimates of gravity based on light from distant galaxies being bent. There is no shortage of possible errors in measurements and calculations.

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Considering that our scientists choose the landing sites for our probes based on their scientific value, it makes perfect sense to me that another civilization exploring the same planet would be interested in placing a lander on the same sites as Earthlings choose, seeking to answer the same questions. Your hypothesis only makes sense if the choice of landing sites is purely random, however that is never the case at least for NASA probes.

It would pretty much have to be, at the distances we’re talking about. You can’t adjust or make choices about where to land on the fly: it takes four years for an instruction to arrive at the nearest star to our sun.

Yoir hypothesis only makes sense, I’m afraid to say, if aliens have magic technology that breaks the laws of all known physics, and they are incredibly close to us on a galactic scale (which we know is impossible, because we’ve checked our neighbourhood extensively) and they happen to have the same interest in the same planet at the same place.

Space is just too big for us to make any contact with aliens.

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