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Macron breaks taboo on possibility of sending Western troops in Ukraine

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In democracies, power is distributed, so we are all pulling the strings in a way.

Perhaps in the good old days UCP , not nowadays.

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Kyiv says that Western military support is inadequate, and two years into resisting the full-scale invasion by its much larger neighbor, Ukraine's troops are outgunned and exhausted.

Now here is something, a sort of challenge!

The Western news goes on and on about the above, several recent articles keep repeating the same thing " human meat wave" by Russia.

Here is where we need to ask how much of the news is fact and what is propaganda.

So we have Ukrainian videos, of tanks attacking, drones, Ukrainian soldiers taking Robotyne last year, we have what are apparently Russians killing POWs, we have thousands of hours of videos but when asked to produce even one showing these "meat wave attacks" suddenly total silence, not one, only "interviews of random Ukrainian soldiers telling someone reporter about it! (I'm sure those Ukrainian soldiers wouldn't lie) (sarcasm off).

We were told last summer, Ukraine would reach Crimea, they didn't even fully breach the first line of 5 in a tiny area.

We keep being tolled stuff only for it later to be false or exaggerated by a lot!

Again I expect to be lied to by Russia and Russian news but the propaganda by western news that anyone can easily find is false needs to stop.

Before talking about sending troops in, perhaps Macron and the rest should first tell us the true situation, the true state or Ukraine's military and the true facts and state of Russia's military.

Nothing anyone in power says anymore can be trusted

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Saying this should not be “taboo”. If Russia takes Ukraine, they will not stop until the old USSR is restored.

Nothing like some good ole neocon style warmongering to keep the military industrial complex profits flowing in. Ukraine was Kremlin's red line, neocons knew that very well before they crossed it.

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A number of countries including Germany, Britain and Spain rushed to say they had no plans to send their soldiers to Ukraine.

Not to mention NATO's Stoltenberg himself dismissing it. Sure, didn't take long for Macron to end with an egg on his face , not even 24 hours.

What does that say, that the Frenchman has more of a spine than the MAGA?

Gees, the MAGA obsessed are back again. Can't let an article go without trying to bring MAGA into it, must be star struck, lol.

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UChosePoorlyToday  09:12 am JST

So there's already a plan

We have plans for everything, Ian. As should you

Lol sounds comical coming from you sorry

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With the pace of Russian executions of Ukrainian POWs increasing (several videos just in the last couple of weeks), one has to wonder if this is Putin trying to send a message?

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The US seems to be pushing toward WWIII. 

Yes, the US is pushing the world toward WWIII, because Macron suggested putting troops in Ukraine. Genius.

At least the leaders of China, NK and Russia are visible

Yes, the leaders of these countries are visibly fueling a war which you claim to hate. You know one is full of it when they're praising the leaders of countries like China, North Korea, and Russia.

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Important to note, have been close to achieving Peace in this conflict several times, only for 1600 to kill it.

Below, recent investigative piece explains the "WHY".

Salon

After two grueling years of bloodshed, it's time for peace in Ukraine

Story by Medea Benjamin & Nicolas J.S. Davies

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To the people who keep saying NATO is there and already have been since 2014. Who cares... so have Russians.

People also keep talking about the possibility of nukes being used. Who knows... maybe it will happen. This is exactly the reason authoritarian governments shouldn't have them. Using the threat of nuclear warfare to advance their goals, as opposed to using the threat of nuclear retaliation purely as a defensive measure. ie: "Do as I say or we'll nuke you" vs "Don't nuke us or we'll nuke you back"

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The point of no return, the prospect of Putin's Russia escalating to save face is a prospect that should be avoided.

There will be no face-saving granted to Putin and Russia. It’s not like that anymore.

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Why is it we are again on the edge off a world war and again it is Europe?

My son in law signed up to defend his country here, he didn't sign up to go fight in Europe.

My cousin's 2 sons back Canada will not be reenlisting again and as of may will be out.

Canada like most NATO countries is not only not able to retain troops but are not even able to meet the minimum in recruiting!

This should be a wakeup call to Macron and the rest, the young men in their countries don't want any part of this mess!

The fact that countries that stopped mandatory military service are now talking about reinstating it, shows how the youth isn't interested abd don't believe the politicians pushing for war!

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So there's already a plan

We have plans for everything, Ian. As should you.

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At least the leaders of China, NK and Russia are visible! I wonder who is pulling the strings in the US? It certainly isn't Biden.

In democracies, power is distributed, so we are all pulling the strings in a way.

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Ukraine 10year civil war cannot be undone. Those many millions that achieve their legal independence from Ukraine, now Russian Federation Citizens, will never be Ukrainian again. Toothpaste not going back in the tube!

Above makes fighting utterly pointless, but unelected special interest globalists running 1600 are dead set on destroy Putin agenda, so logic & WW III matter not.

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The battle field is thawed,meaning tank and top heavy equipment will get mirred in the mud

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FYI some French officials walked Macron's statement back. Claimed personnel would be in theory for non-battlefield support. Especially de-mining, domestic weapons production, etc.

French & NATO Members now providing much non-battlefield support, requires NATO Member personnel!

Again, Macron must know how bad things are in Ukraine, this all strikes of desperation, no coordination with other NATO Members, unprofessional.

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socrateos

Today 07:57 am JST

[T]he French leader refused to rule out the dispatch of Western troops to Ukraine as Russia's invasion stretches into its third year and Kyiv's military campaign appears to be faltering.

> "We will do whatever it takes to ensure that Russia cannot win this war," Macron said.

> Well said. I support it 100%.

So you and all the rest going "rah rah rah Macron" and support sending western troops in are all going to volunteer to be on the front line? If you support it 100% as you say, then instead of someone else's kid being drafted into to this mess all the people that "agree" from behind their keyboards should now be signing up to go.

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Ukraine's in TOTAL CHAOS, on battlefield, Kiev's Leadership credibility & abroad with growing descension and division amongst its proxy partner supports.

Zelensky's recent comments about 31K KIA and threatening to shut of grain shipments = next level lies, nobody's buying it, especially those in Ukraine.

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Ukraine fell themselves like every country and have the nerve to blame others for being corrupt,they could of least tried to win the war against corruption

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Nato, troops, soldiers, airman, ground forces tasked to support Ukraine on the ground is a pandora's box awaiting the lid to just pop off.

The risk of all out confrontation on an unimageable scale could become inevitable.

The point of no return, the prospect of Putin's Russia escalating to save face is a prospect that should be avoided.

The EU could be the diplomatic route to provided a means to deescalate and find a resolution.

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Berlin has poured cold water on the Macron plan. They full well realize the Bundeswehr is in no position to enter a war zone. There are some pragmatic signs they are looking to extricate themselves from the mess they tied themselves into. Plus, they know that Putin speaks German so they can cut an independent deal down the track. US cutting off LNG exports and the whole pipeline sabotage has left a bad taste in their mouth. 1.4% of the population there are Ukrainian refugees and doubtful they want to go down this track now the economy is in recession.

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Maybe Macron is hoping he can help Zelensky do another one of his Spring offensives .

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Yes, of course there is already a plan. Now they admit it.

Interestingly enough, Poland, which has been predicted to jump at the chance to enter west Ukraine, has voiced disapproval of the Macron plan - at least for the time being. Important to note relations between Warsaw and Kyiv, despite the reset of Tusk, have been splintering again with both at loggerheads over grain exports and more. Mass protests of farmers and truckers has been occurring on the border with grain trains emptied by protestors, roads blocked and ugly insults flying between the authorities.

Suspect Warsaw is waiting for when the time is ripe to move in - I.E. when Kyiv is even weaker. And it probably doesn't want the French involved and has their own agenda or "plan".

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For me, Macron's idiot comments, clear signal there's panic in Kiev, as RAF storms the Donbas.

Lots of news on heavy UA losses and RAF advances in East and South after all.

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What does that say, that the Frenchman has more of a spine than the MAGA?

So Trump is the current POTUS?

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Pres. Scholz of Germany shut down this talk immediately as did other EU Nato members, Macron's an outlier.

No Taurus missiles either, Germany's clearly not into the US unelected special interest Globalist's WW III "PLAN".

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A European military source said that European allies had been studying the plan for several weeks and the United States supported the idea.

So there's already a plan

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbEwrMiMBbY

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The US seems to be pushing toward WWIII. A hopeless war that they have absolutely no chance of winning. It will make a large dent in world population however and maybe that's the plan.

At least the leaders of China, NK and Russia are visible! I wonder who is pulling the strings in the US? It certainly isn't Biden.

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No wonder Macron is having a panic attack. Reports indicate loss of territory almost hourly and ongoing UAF casualties. Big and ongoing strikes over the last few days on rear airfields and infrastructure.

RAF are attacking in 8 separate points on the contact line. Aside from the 4 pushes west in the Donetsk city sector. Right at the north there is a push west from Lyman into Kharkiv. Between these there is a parallel push west at Bakhmut-Kreminna west leaving the salient open. Then there is increasing activity on the Zaporizhzhia front at the Robotyne salient.

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This has gone way too far now.

It went "way too far" the moment the Russian troops entered Ukraine in 2014 and seized Crimea. Nobody cared all that much back then, and now after two years of the Russian invasion of the rest of the country, and all the needless suffering and death, folks are just starting to say it's "gone way too far?"

Yeah right...

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Those troops that used to be positioned in Central Asia, can be used to be in Ukraine.

Of course anything can be nice for politician, until face of one or more from those troops being showed by Russian TV under captivity.

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[T]he French leader refused to rule out the dispatch of Western troops to Ukraine as Russia's invasion stretches into its third year and Kyiv's military campaign appears to be faltering.

"We will do whatever it takes to ensure that Russia cannot win this war," Macron said.

Well said. I support it 100%.

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Getting spicy now!

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Macron is channeling Napoleon.

Still, France has large numbers of suburbs where the population needs gainful employment.

What can Macron be thinking?

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French Military expert says

"This is a verbal escalation...'an arm wrestling match....a poker game "

This war on language must stop now

The risk to metaphors is too great !

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"We will do whatever it takes to ensure that Russia cannot win this war,"

Saying this should not be “taboo”. If Russia takes Ukraine, they will not stop until the old USSR is restored.

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Macron is particularly angry for three reasons. Firstly, the pear-shaped future facing Kyiv. Secondly, the recent loss of French personnel in that land. Thirdly, the loss of French colonialist influence in the Sahel region of Africa, which he blames on Moscow.

This announcement is basically Macron blowing more hot smoke. No other European country jumped behind his thought bubble. On the contrary, almost every country of significance has distanced themselves from it, as the article makes clear. Even Stoltenberg was a non-starter on the idea.

This is precisely one reason why Moscow had to launch the SMO in the first place: to prevent that land being turned into a NATO launchpad of aggression, while protecting the Donbass.

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What does that say, that the Frenchman has more of a spine than the MAGA?

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French President Emmanuel Macron has succumbed to one of his Macmental moments.

All hat no cattle.

While Macron did not provide any details, the French foreign ministry said the idea did not foresee French troops directly fighting against Russian forces in Ukraine.

A number of countries including Germany, Britain and Spain rushed to say they had no plans to send their soldiers to Ukraine.

The Kremlin on Tuesday grimly warned Europe against even entertaining such an idea, saying that the appearance of NATO troops in Ukraine would make a direct confrontation with Russia not only possible but inevitable.

I sometimes wonder what lurks between Emmanuel Macron ears, and how thought processes descend cascade from his head to sputter out of his mouth.

The thought of any scenario training or otherwise, NATO troops coming into direct contact with Russian ground forces is truly deranged unhinged insane.

What could possibly go wrong?

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@chubba: This has gone way too far now.

I gree it's long passed time for the Russian Federation to pull all its troops and proxy fighters back across the border, out of the sovereign territory of Ukraine, back into actual Russian sovereign territory. If Russia pulled its various fighters back into Russia many of them that have been seriously wounded might be able to get medical treatment in Mother Russia, and not have to be treated on the battlefields Putin created.

Putin's War has gone on too long. It's long passed time for Putin to use his ill gotten gains skimmed from Russian people to pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine. Make Putin pay for the damages he caused, before he uses his money to buy property in the US from his failed US political pal, who's got to sell off his ill-gotten gains because of his disregard for US laws and systems..

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This has gone way too far now.

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It's really a cope mechanism now that he is realizing that his bet on Kyiv has backfired. They are panicking that they are losing.

Russia is no stranger to French aggression. The Grand Armee of Napoleon assaulted from these very same lands and any new French expeditionary force will meet the same fate. Doubtful what forces they could provide anyway.

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