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Masked shooters kill 4 people and injure 3 at outdoor party in California

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I am so surprised.

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Rival drug gang. Fine people.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

Wash-rinse-repeat! Just another day in the good old USA!

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How is it that a country like Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership, but one of the lowest homicide rates in the world?

Maybe those "guns don't kill people, people kill people" folks really know what they're talking about.

Guns could be entirely eradicated in America, and America would still have a large number of homicidal maniacs.

After all, the USA has been the home of most of the world's most notorious serial killers in recent history -- and very few of them used guns to kill their victims.

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Guns could be entirely eradicated in America, and America would still have a large number of homicidal maniacs.

But far less homicides. And none involving guns.

I'm not sure you are going to convince anyone that guns are great by proving that they aren't.

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How is it that a country like Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership, but one of the lowest homicide rates in the world?

Good question. Strict ownership requirements, including strict mental health evaluation, background checks, compulsory military service and training. Safe storage laws, permit requirements for firearm and ammunition purchases, local gun registration, responsible gun ownership and gun culture, social cohesion, respect for other people and the law etc?

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^and still a relatively low gun ownership rate when compared to the US?

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After all, the USA has been the home of most of the world's most notorious serial killers in recent history -- and very few of them used guns to kill their victims.

And a whole lot of mass killers who did use guns.

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Shooting that happens somewhere seems just another day. No one can stop random shootings. It seems to me America is cursed by guns. It is reported that thousands of people are killed by guns every year.

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Quo Primum: "Guns could be entirely eradicated in America, and America would still have a large number of homicidal maniacs."

Yeah, because they clearly could have done the same thing from within their silver car with... say... toaster ovens, or brass doorknobs!

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 America would still have a large number of homicidal maniacs.

I've heard something about why there are a lot of maniacs/psychopaths in America. A long long time ago, before the Independence of America, European countries used to send so many criminals to the Continent (North America). Those criminals' DNA have been inherited from generation to generation for hundreds of years until today. That's why America has a large number of homicidal maniacs. Is that true?

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Not likely a drug/gang related incident, the masks and them getting out of the car to take up shooting stances is a completely different dynamic.

The dynamic it does fit is altright violence against non Whites. I can't say for sure, but I believe that the area's demographics skews significantly in the direction of people who the altright hates

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Last month it was NYC, now it's California.

That's what happens when you put obstacles in front of law abiding citizens who wish to own firearms for the sole purpose of defending themselves and their families.

You end up with criminals owning firearms and law abiding people running for cover in sitting duck zones.

-7 ( +3 / -10 )

Another day, another massacre … the deadly gun culture continues … enough already!

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How is it that a country like Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership, but one of the lowest homicide rates in the world?

The reason is largely a demographic one, and one that the media does not want to report (honestly) on.

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Quo PrimumMar. 4 08:58 pm JST

After all, the USA has been the home of most of the world's most notorious serial killers in recent history -- and very few of them used guns to kill their victims.

Not sure what you are banging on about with the serial killers, but yeah, you aren't going to want a weapon that announces your presence loudly if you are out to kill a few targeted people.

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kwattMar. 4 10:35 pm JST

 America would still have a large number of homicidal maniacs.

I've heard something about why there are a lot of maniacs/psychopaths in America. A long long time ago, before the Independence of America, European countries used to send so many criminals to the Continent (North America). Those criminals' DNA have been inherited from generation to generation for hundreds of years until today. That's why America has a large number of homicidal maniacs. Is that true?

I think Australia would like a word with you if that is your theory.

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JacoboToday 12:23 am JST

US statistics show that firearms are the third leading cause of death each year.

Knives second and bare hands first.

It is exactly the opposite of the order you listed for homicides:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

In fact firearms are 5x more than the other two.

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Sad but not surprised when hand guns are sold for under $350.00.

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More young black men shooting other young black men. But we are not allowed mention the real problem so a real solution will not be found.

I think you’re safe to mention the real problem on this comment board. What is it, exactly?

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How is it that a country like Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership, but one of the lowest homicide rates in the world?

Because most guns in Switzerland belong to the Swiss Army, issued to all adult males of a certain age for their required military service and subsequent status as reservists. The use of these guns is very strictly regulated by the Swiss Army for reservist training. They are not personal weapons for recreational use.

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More young black men shooting other young black men. But we are not allowed mention the real problem so a real solution will not be found.

Pretty unlikely in King City. It is a farming community in the Salinas Valley where farm workers and their families predominate.

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Maybe those "guns don't kill people, people kill people" folks really know what they're talking about.

You have a point. Though really should be " Guns don't kill people, American people with guns kill people".

That's the argument for eradicating guns the USA. Just like you don't give a toddler sharp objects to play with, Americans shouldn't be allowed guns. They are not stable or responsible enough. Although without guns they could still kill others, they will inflict less damage with a kitchen knife than with an AR15.

The Swiss analogy doesn't really work as although Swiss people often own guns, the regulations for purchasing guns and then further regulations for purchasing ammunition, are much more stringent than the USA. However it does illustrate that when a country inhabited by sensible & rational adults has high gun ownership, they don't have the same gun violence mayhem like the USA does

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Not likely a drug/gang related incident, the masks and them getting out of the car to take up shooting stances is a completely different dynamic.

The dynamic it does fit is altright violence against non Whites. I can't say for sure, but I believe that the area's demographics skews significantly in the direction of people who the altright hates

Sigh. King City is a small farm town of around 13,000 residents in the Salinas Valley. It sits along the Salinas River surrounded by some of the most fertile farmland on Earth. It's not like the high desert where you have a lot of poor whites and some white power drug gangs. The area is overwhelmingly Hispanic, farm workers and their families. It's a pretty nice little town.

If I had to guess I would guess this shooting was drug related. Ever since the voters in California legalized pot illegal drug grows and drug violence have escalated. Pot possession is no longer a crime and the cop isn't going to ask where you bought your stash, but the legal pot suppliers who pay taxes, pay rent for their land and storefronts and follow the law are at a price disadvantage to the drug cartels and their bootleg grows that steal water and electricity and dump waste into local waterways. Just a few weeks ago there was a similar shooting over a drug dispute out near El Mirage Dry Lake in the high desert.

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The logical outcome of a cult of guns, any gun anywhere anytime with few or zero restrictions.

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That's what happens when you put obstacles in front of law abiding citizens who wish to own firearms for the sole purpose of defending themselves and their families.

This occured on a private property, where the keeping of guns for defense has been a constitutional right since at least 2008, per Heller.

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This occured on a private property, where the keeping of guns for defense has been a constitutional right since at least 2008, per Heller.

It was a birthday party for the one female who died. She was a nurse at the hospital she was taken to for treatment and where she subsequently died.

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It was a birthday party for the one female who died. She was a nurse at the hospital she was taken to for treatment and where she subsequently died.

Tragic. Also this weekend (according to CNN):

"A teenager in Georgia was shot by police after officers tried to remove a group of 500 to 600 guests who were causing commotion at the Six Flags Over Georgia theme park.

"One woman was killed and 12 other people were injured when shots rang out at a nightclub filled with hundreds of attendees in Mississippi.

"Two people, including a child, were shot when gunfire erupted outside of a high school basketball game in Missouri, in an area still rattled by the mass shooting that took place at a Super Bowl celebration.

"A two-year-old child was shot during an altercation between two people outside an apartment complex in Marianna, Arkansas. The toddler is in critical condition. Police have taken one suspect into custody and are still searching for the other 22-year-old suspect."

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Unlivable country..

The more I see US news, the more I love my safe, clean, civilized and free of guns JAPAN!!!..

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Unlivable country..

The more I see US news, the more I love my safe, clean, civilized and free of guns JAPAN!!!..

Agreed. US is an utter hell hole.

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Agreed. US is an utter hell hole.

Blue states definitely without a doubt.

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Agreed. US is an utter hell hole.

Parts of it, maybe. But what country doesn't have it's downsides? I've been there a number of times for weddings, vacations, sporting events etc, and had a ball every time. Fantastic people who'd give you the shirt off their back.

I think they've got it wrong on the gun issue but that's their lookout.

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Parts of it, maybe. But what country doesn't have it's downsides? I've been there a number of times for weddings, vacations, sporting events etc, and had a ball every time. Fantastic people who'd give you the shirt off their back. 

I think they've got it wrong on the gun issue but that's their lookout.

I couldn't agree more.

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TokyoLivingMar. 5 08:00 am JST

Unlivable country..

The more I see US news, the more I love my safe, clean, civilized and free of guns JAPAN!!!..

N. KnightMar. 5 04:49 pm JST

Agreed. US is an utter hell hole.

They say having never lived there. Don't worry, we can simulate the gutter oil and toxic tap water you are used to.

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They say having never lived there

20 years. Still have 3 companies there, however will be more than happy if I never step foot in the place ever again. Japan is paradise by comparison.

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