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Poor McCain. Truth is, McCain is relieved that Obama didn't pick Hillary; the resulting division of the party would have all but ensured a (shudder) McCain victory.

This latest bit of negative campaigning is just another desperate act by a desperate McCain. Yawn.

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USAFdude; I have to respectfully disagree with you. Clinton was Obama`s only chance of winning this race. Biden is a fruitcake, who cannot string a couple of sentences together without making a fool of himself. The guy is more of an oaf the Dan Quail.

We can look forward to 4 more years of growth ,a dspreading freedom to the world, thankfully.

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StealthBomber- Great post dude, you didn`t have to say it twice though. Hee Hee! Big mistake snubbing Clinton, she would have gained the Dems a lot of votes. Way to go McCain, maybe a guy of your courage can show those Ruskies a thing or two.

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It's true. It's true. Obama is sunk, because as any neo-con will tell you, Sen. Clinton's female supporters are going to flock to the candidate who kicked his first wife to the curb for not being sexy anymore and who called his second wife a c*nt who paints up her face like a trollop. Neo-cons don't give women much credit methinks. Another amusing thing to come from their smear campaign is that they are now playing on Sen. Biden's comments during the primary to show a divide in the Democratic ticket. Putting Clinton in the number 2 spot would have provided even more fodder for their hate rhetoric. What they fail to understand is that the Democrats can play the same card if they choose mittens to run alongside McCain because rommney also said many unflattering things about McCain during the race for 2nd place. Doh!

Taka

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Take313- Due to desperation, you are making up tall stories abou McCain. Clinton was B Hussein O`s only chance of picking up lost votes.

Bad mistake messiah, 4 more years of Bush style rule, fantastic news!!

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Well, Senator McCain can always ask Hillary to join his ticket if he feels some great injustice has been done to her.

Just as McCain's advisor thought he benefited from the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, Biden's VP stock certainly rose after Russia invaded Georgia. To listen to McCain talk, you'd think we were still fighting the Vietnam War owing to the menace posed by Red China.

Biden brings attributes other than a background in national security. For someone who's been in the Senate as long as he has, he sure ain't taken advantage of his position for purposes of self-enrichment. This stands in contrast to the likes of Ted Stevens, Tom Delay and Denny Hastert, a former gym teacher now worth a couple million through those road to nowhere land development deals with wealthy constituents. Biden is worth less than 400 grand.

Sen. Clinton's female supporters are going to flock to the candidate who kicked his first wife to the curb for not being sexy anymore and who called his second wife a c*nt who paints up her face like a trollop.

Taka, I'm going to read some of the same things you've been reading. This sounds interesting!

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taka,

Carly Fiorina was supposed to bring Hillary's female supporters into the McCain camp. She has also been proposed as a running mate for the aging Senator which elicited the following letter to the editor of the San Jose Mercury News:

The Mercury News reports that Carly Fiorina may be John McCain's VP selection. Perfect! Another CEO who nearly destroyed a large American corporation, laid off thousands of workers, watched as the value of the stock plummeted and then walked away with over $20 million just to get rid of her. My only question is, why isn't Fiorina President Bush's secretary of labor right now?

You know Mittens is one of my favorites with his Ron Burgundy charm. In fact if you put his financial success under the microscope it was the result of leveraged buy-outs, or consolidations, not creating anything like a venture capitalist. So I don't think that will help him with voters who may have been laid-off under such circumstances.

Even more problematic was his response to a female questioner about how his sons were supporting the war on terror if none had volunteered to serve in the military. Well, they were showing their support by campaigning for him since they thought he'd be a great president. This is what patriotism has been reduced to? Ask not what you can do for country but for your family....

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Saturday 23rd August: "I think he[Biden]'s a good selection,” McCain said. “Joe and I have been friends for many, many years, and we know each other very well, and so I think he's made a very wise selection. I know that Joe will campaign well for Sen. Obama, and so I think he's going to be very formidable.

Sunday - "Meanwhile, a new McCain ad, the second since Obama made his vice presidential choice, challenged Obama’s motives in passing over Clinton."

1 day after McCain effectively said Obama's choice of Biden as his running mate was "a very wise selection"??

What snake oil are the McCain hacks on?

Biden said last month of Sen. McCain - "But 20 years of experience that has not been very solid in terms of projecting what was going to happen doesn’t make you a better commander-in-chief. We don’t need as a commander-in-chief a war hero,” Biden emphasized. “John’s a war hero. We need someone with some wisdom. … President Bush’s policy, which John McCain has embraced on Iraq and foreign policy generally, has been an abject failure.”

Pretty accurate.

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SushiSake3- Been searching through all the online liberal media sites eh buddy?

McCain i a decent guy, he isn`t going to insult Biden or B Hussein O. He tells it as it is, straight down the line.

McCain is certainly a war hero, and that is exactly what the US and the world need right now as leader of the free world.

Don`t you get it yet. The messiah and his new friend, have no chance of winning, the polls show them losing ground daily.

4 more years of glory, bring it on!!!

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Betzee, I think that when the gop smear machine tried to drive a wedge between Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden, they, by default, eliminated your boy mittens from contention. I think they will go with Tim Pawlenty as the VP nod. I don't know if that is such a good idea considering that Pawlenty was forced to break a campaign spending vow late in his campaign against Minnesota's AG Mike Hatch. It really doesn't look good for McCain to bring a guy on board who had to go back on his word, just to keep his job. If it is Pawlenty, I think McCain does have a better chance of carrying Minnesota however, which according to RCP is now a swing state.

Taka

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Betzee - "To listen to McCain talk, you'd think we were still fighting the Vietnam War owing to the menace posed by Red China."

ha ha! You're actually on the right track McCain still thinks Czechoslovakia exists, 13 longs years after it split.

And can Americans really trust the mental agility of a potential president who has to ask his advisors how many houses he owns??

Betzee - "he [Biden] sure ain't taken advantage of his position for purposes of self-enrichment."

You're right. Biden and hos wife are still paying off loan for their children's education fees according to a recently released document outlining the Biden's financial status.

Not to mention his son is off on deployment to Iraq next month.

Meanwhile, John McCain, a man born who spent his childhood choking on a silver spoon and who has actually lost count of how many houses he owns, has been guilty of labelling Obama an 'elitist.'

Even funnier is the fact that the Right on this board buy the spin.

I'm going to be laughing my way to the Democratic victory in November :-)

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Taka13- McCain could bring in Charles Manson and he would still win against the two dem flip flop dummies.

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FreedomFries/Undecidedin08/thenewworldorder666/StealthBomber/Pasq.......

"McCain is certainly a war hero" The guy crashed 5-6 planes and languished 6 years ina POW camp.

That makes him your poster boy? That's pretty funny :-)

Unlike you, at least McCain signed up to fight.

Counting down the days to the Democratic victory in November.

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I think they will go with Tim Pawlenty as the VP nod. I don't know if that is such a good idea considering that Pawlenty was forced to break a campaign spending vow late in his campaign against Minnesota's AG Mike Hatch.

Taka,

I went to college in Minnesota but that quite a few years ago so I'm not familiar with this Pawlenty. Mittens' calling card is his business acumen which seemed to increased in value as the economy has tanked. But it only works if he can say, "Look, as a venture capitalist I picked all these winners and created x number of jobs." At least he could probably say how many homes he owns off the top of his head, McCain said he'd have to get back to us on that....

As Garrison Keillor, another Minnesotan, observed, "Only in America could an Arizona millionaire accuse a Chicago southsider of being an elitist!"

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SushiSake3,

McCain knows the menaces faced by the US. He is willing to defend us against them, if that means war so be it.

Obama snubbed Clinton out of spite, as that is his method of dealing with people who do not agree with him 100%.

A victory for the Dems is impossible as reasonable folk now realise that the country will be vunrable to attack with them in power.

We need a president and VP who is willing to liberate, and defend for the sake of the US.McCain is the man who can do this,as the public are now deciding. Well done John, great campaigning.

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SushiSake3/Betzee/Roomtemperature- Kinda feeling the heat, and feeling pretty dumb now guys?

Your golden boy is well behind in the polls and is slipping daily. Clinton was Hussein Obama`s only chance of coming close to McCain. Another major blunder by the Messiah. How us patriots love to see him shoot himself in the foot constantly, i love it. Hahaha

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In fact,

[M]ost Americans have turned their backs on the Iraq war, no matter how much McCain keeps bellowing about “victory.” The Bush White House is now poised to alight with the Iraqi government on a withdrawal timetable far closer to Obama’s 16 months than McCain’s vague promise of a 2013 endgame. As Gen. David Petraeus returns home, McCain increasingly resembles those mad Japanese soldiers who remained at war on remote Pacific islands years after Hiroshima.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24rich.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

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Betzee- That`s right insult a war hero by comparing him to Japanese soldiers, who you know have a bad name worldwide.

McCain runs honorable ads, like himself, a man of honor.

Americans are proud of our achievements in Iraq, well true patriots are anyway. McCain will leave Iraq when he decides, not the Iraq`s or anyone else.

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FreedomFries,

You seem to be laboring under several illusions, not many of which have to do with the topic at hand. First, no matter how you rewrite his name, Obama is still a Christian. Second, when McCain tried to show an enemy a thing or two, he crashed and took his crew down with him. He may be a war hero, but he gets there not because of anything he elected to do but because of something he was forced to endure. At that rate, most Americans today are war heroes just for living through the idiotic macho American military muscle flexing of the last 7-plus years.

Obviously, there is a difference between what McCain says to CBS news and what his campaign ads say. Nonetheless, McCain is guilty of some double-dealing here. He cannot say tell CBS news that Biden is a wise selection and then approve a campaign ad that castigates Obama for not selecting someone else. Perhaps McCain just can't stay on message or perhaps he is afraid to repeat the message to analysts who would pick it apart.

I don't think it matters much what the polls say now. Barring a huge surprise, Americans are going to go to the polls in November and vote on the economy, on health insurance, on huge budget deficits, on wars unwon and perhaps unwinnable and they are likely to mark an X, pull a lever, or touch the screen for a candidate from a party who did not bring them all that.

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Well, snub or not, Hillary is not dead yet! I reckon before this dance in Denver is done, she might be back as the Dem nominee, process be damned! What HAS caught my eye, though, is that the fundies who supposedly make up the GOP base of hard core conservatives are now faced with a study saying that McCain is the anti-christ! (I kid you not!) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20462.htm “Many people think that the Antichrist will be a evil-seeming leader, but in fact the Bible tells us that he will be charming.” This is going to be interesting!

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Betzee- That`s right insult a war hero by comparing him to Japanese soldiers, who you know have a bad name worldwide.

Stealthbomber, I will refer to another columnist from the NYT's (I know I'm overquota on quoting from the liberal media):

While McCain’s experience was heroic, did it create a worldview incapable of anticipating the limits to U.S. military power in Iraq? Did he fail to absorb the lessons of Vietnam, so that he is doomed to always want to refight it? Did his captivity inform a search-and-destroy, shoot-first-ask-questions-later, “We are all Georgians,” mentality?

Barring a huge surprise, Americans are going to go to the polls in November and vote on the economy, on health insurance, on huge budget deficits, on wars unwon and perhaps unwinnable and they are likely to mark an X, pull a lever, or touch the screen for a candidate from a party who did not bring them all that.

Sez, Another issue is the rise of China (see poll linked below) which is perceived as threatening by 70 percent of Americans. We got a taste of it earlier this year during the Olympic torch run. The Chinese economy is humming while ours is stagnating as we pile on debt, not incidentally owed to the Chinese, in order to wage endless war.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/04/poll-americans-wary-of-chinas-economic-military-strength/

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SezWho2- You are living in a dream world, i fear. McCain has the trust of the people, he is a loved and guy.

Hilary at least has some backbone and tough attributes. Hussein Obama and Biden have no strength. If they were on watch and we suffered another 911, they would do nothing, that is their nature. McCain will go straight after any enemies and keep us in peace.

Your country and life depends on a McCain victory.

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Betzee- We are in this war because we are the good guys fighting evil idealism, which wants to destroy and take over our nation.

China is a boom and bust economy, don`t woory about them , they are still 3rd world, they are not a threat.

Clinton would be more likely to defend the nation, but Biden and Obama are appeasers. Any patriot who wishes the future of their country to remain free will vote for McCain, a true patriot and war hero.

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FreedomFries,

My country and my life depend on neither Obama nor McCain. If you think that it does, then you show so little faith in the American system that you should be mortified to support foreign wars in order to keep it safe. There will be very little fundamental differences between an Obama presidency and a McCain one.

The differences will be textural. As America enters a century in which its economic and military power count for less and less, however, the textural differences are meaningful. That is the fundamental reason that Obama did not offer Clinton a place on the ticket--not because she "told the truth" as McCain says, but because she offers stridency where something else is required.

England was very fortunate in having a country to which it could hand off the trappings of empire. Despite the revolution, the ties between England and the US have never been broken. The US is not so fortunate as China and India appears poised to return to the economic ascendancy which they enjoyed up until the 14th century or so. The mission of future presidents will be to forge relationships with countries or blocks of countries who can carry on when the US is through and McCain is ill-suited for that task.

No need to fear about my dream world. It's yourself you should be pinching.

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Freedomfries - "McCain will go straight after any enemies and keep us in peace."

I'm getting bored asking this, but where will the money come from to do this, considering your country is now nearly $10 TRILLION in debt and debt servicing costs (that's 'interest' in laymans terms) are $200 billion a year?

I really do not think you will be able to provide a credible answer to this question, however I do hold out a measure of hope, much like a wounded bird does that has fallen on the Yamanote line track a minute before the Tokyo rush hours begins.

America needs less war, not more war, and John McCain has said he wants the war in Iraq for 100 years, or something else equally idiotic.

That's not a "war hero" speaking; those are words of a lunatic.

Clinton also said she will go after the bad guys.

That's all lovely in theory, but when your economy is $10 TRILLION in the red and sinking further by the day thanks in no small part to the failed wars America is already fighting, the GOP and John McCain are going to need to do a heck of a lot more than just pander to the red-meat-gnawing American Right and keep talking about war.

Continually talking about propaganda and how Obama isn't strong enough and McCain will take the fight to the enemy and America is strong nad Obama is the Messiah, etc. really doesn't say anything at all about how America is actually going to finance your lofty but completely misguided dreams, or those of John McCain, for that matter.

I think that if Obama picked Hillary, sure, as a ticket they would get a whole lotta votes, but I also believe they would spend too much time tussling for position, a situation that would get even worse if Bill decided to muscle in on decision making.

By picking Biden as his veep, Obama has shown guts by choosing someone who has criticized him in the past and who Obama knows full well is not going to be a 'Yes man' (like McCain supporters are.)

I believe McCain's campaign will hit a wall whoever he picks as his veep., but I am willing to be proven wrong.

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theneworder666,

McCain could bring in Charles Manson and he would still win against the two dem flip flop dummies.

Let's run with the "M" thing...

Mysoginist/Murderer in '08?!? NICE!

stealthbomber, As a likley neo-con, I'll forgive your detachment from reality. However, the truth is, Sen. Obama is ahead in the polls. Even faux "news" has Obama up by three points and according to RealClearPolitics, Obama also leads in the delegate count 228 to 174.

Betzee, I thought the "elitist" thing was pretty funny too. If Obama is an elitist, I would say that would put John Sinclair McCain (the third) off the charts.

But...that's part of the neo-con playbook. Project your weaknesses on to your opponent.

Taka

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China is a boom and bust economy, don`t woory about them , they are still 3rd world, they are not a threat.

Ah, but it's a matter of perception. Didn't someone associated with the Bush campaign in '04 say, "We create our own reality."

People have grown uneasy with the current arrangement where the Chinese sell us stuff and then lend us back the greenbacks. This is an arrangement John McCain seems comfortable with since he had said he will not raise anyone's taxes. That means future generations will be left to pick up the tab for our safety in the present. Essentially conservatism has been turned on its head here.

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Freedomfried - "The war on terror will be paid by an annual increase of GDP for the forseable future."

So, you're admitting you don't have a clue?

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SushiSake3- A huge upturn in growth and stock market rally are projected with a McCain victory. Were Obama to win, investors would run scared and invest overseas, a depression would follow. Clinton may have told Obama this, but he was too childish to listen and chose a poodle in Biden to folow his commands.

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Were Obama to win, investors would run scared and invest overseas, a depression would follow.

In fact our economy's solvency is reliant on foreigners investing in the USA. Once their investment fell below the outflow of greenbacks to pay for imports (both cheap consumer goods and oil) the dollar started its descent and that foreshadowed the end of the era of cheap credit, inaugurated by Reagan as a principal engine of growth in the post-industrial economy.

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Betzee- The US economy is motoring on just fine, year after year of grwoth, low inflation and unemployment. Obama would be another jimmy Carter leading us to diaster and financial ruin. Biden cant influence Obama, he is too pig ignorant to listen to advice, thats why he does such stupid things, almost daily.

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Why has economic insecurity replaced terrorism as the number one concern of Americans?

I think it has something to do with the fact that home equity built up during the long housing boom became the primary resource for ordinary Americans to finance life's major purchases, i.e. a better home, college education for their kids, family-owned business expansion, etc. The more irresponsible used their homes as ATM machines.

Much of that equity, reflected in the consumer purchasing power which buoyed the economy, has disappeared. As a result, communities, industries, and even regional economies are in varying states of foreclosure.

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FreedomFries,

To me, SushiSake3's posts sound more as though he is against idiots. Patriotism, as Dr. Johnson tells us, is "the last refuge of a scoundrel". Here he is talking about patriotism that is a rationalization for action.

He goes on to talk about true patriotism:

True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else.

True patriots question their government and criticize it--as I'm sure you will if Barack (H.) Obama becomes president.

McCain relies heavily on those who are attached to the first definition of patriotism. Obama more addresses those who see the value of the second. Either way, McCain's silly allegation of a snub against Hillary clearly shows that his campaign is bereft of other ideas.

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I personally don't care what McCain thinks about Barack's choice. < :-)

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adaydream- You dont care because youve given up all hope of winning, now he`s picked idiot Biden. Tee Hee!!!

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Patriotism, as Dr. Johnson tells us, is "the last refuge of a scoundrel".

And the Left, as George Orwell (Lion and the Unicorn) tells us, will always lose democratic elections whenever they cross the line where they begin to impugn and mock the patriotism of ordinary citizens; in this race by having called them "bitter", by caricaturing them as "clinging to guns and religion" and by intimating that their supposed racism is both inbred and a consequence of "economic injustice."

I see Obama and his handlers as having repeated that fateful and stupid mistake. Joe Biden on the ticket changes nothing.

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undecidedbout08,

It's worthwhile to remember what Orwell said:

In England all the boasting and flag-wagging, the ‘Rule Britannia’ stuff, is done by small minorities. The patriotism of the common people is not vocal or even conscious. They do not retain among their historical memories the name of a single military victory.

Not a single candidate from the Democratic side has mocked the consensual patriotism that Orwell talked about. (I don't think they have "mocked" the others either, but if you did not say so you would have no strawmen to fight with.) Almost everyone, except for those who rely upon them as part of their base, discredit the flag wavers.

If Americans elect McCain, they will get the government they richly and fully deserve. They simply will not get the better candidate, however. Americans are lucky in that they have a choice, but a vote for McCain is the abnegation of choice. Hillary will not make a difference in that.

The issues are clear and the campaign is already over except for any nasty, brutish, and negative surprises that people can dig up or invent.

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Fancy that. That old guy 'loser' McCain is concerned for Hillary's feelings. Say "Aw!" everyone.

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Thank you John McCain. I could not have asked for a better favor. You have now played into Bill's and Hillary's hand. You will see Bill Clinton give another of his most memorable speeches of his lifetime. He will endorse Obama like very few ever expected. Bill Clinton is the epitome of Democratic Party loyalty. All this negativity that John McCain has displayed is the perfect backdrop for the positive energy that Bill Clinton is notorious for delivering. The only thing reducing his impact will be that Hillary will be so pro-Obama that the pundits will be clued in with the hint of the Clinton unity drive. But even her speech as positive as it will be could not possibly hint of the rousing speech Bill will give. It will blow away the press. McCain has given the honorable, former President William Jefferson Clinton the ammunition to allow Bill to make John McCain appear foolish and petty. You, John McCain are going to sway Hillary voters after Bill and Hillary get done with you? I don't think so.

Oh yeah John Mac, thanks for the housing gaffe also; that will get a lot of mileage.

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undecidedbout08,

I'm sure you have that impression. But do you have a point? What does any of this have to do with socialism and communism?

The issue of patriotism comes in via the discussion of McCain's war hero status, the claim that only McCain is able to defend America's interests and that those who criticize him and the direction America has been taking must "have something against patriots". Socialism and communism comes into play how? Via your desire that those who disagree with you need a name of some kind?

Nobody in this election is a socialist or communist. Americans are not communists. And while there is a dispute about the degree of socialism that America should have, America already has some degree of socialism in that it does not practice pure patriotism.

But the subject, I believe, is McCain's claim that Obama has somehow snubbed Hillary. It strikes me as nonsensical in the first place to suggest that just because Hillary won almost half the votes she should be on the ticket. As far as I know, presidential candidates do not get to unilaterally select their running mates and even if they do they obviously do not make a practice of selecting the runner-up. McCain secured an appreciable percentage of the primary vote in 1999. Is he still bitter?

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...er, "...does not practice pure capitalism".

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Is McCain unaware that people are supposed pick what they consider the best candidate, and that they're not under any obligation to choose someone just because they took part in the race? Is he suggesting that Clinton would make a better VP than Biden? WTF?

Ok, before I get nailed, I got this in my mail the other day.

(By the way, this is directed at the email, not you)

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

It's unnecessary (and, frankly, a waste of time) to refute it point by point. Just ask yourself:

Why do the points with sources not compare themselves to anything? Why do the points that compare themselves to other things not have sources?

I don't have time to go through and research every bit of "information" there. But bullst tends to smell like bullst, and damn, does that email stink.

Let me put it this way: if these things are true, I'll wait for someone to explain it in adult language.

Let me give you an example:

The Democratic candidate will return to the higher tax rates: It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.

Yes, because taxes are the only possible way you can screw someone. Everyone really is that shallow.

cough

What you have here is a gigantic, infected case of what is called confirmation bias:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Could some of it be right? Sure. But as I said before, "right" will out eventually, and since I don't have unlimited time to research spam emails which are obviously written by laughably biased individuals, I'll wait until a grown up tells me.

It's unrealistic to expect people to have every fact at their fingertips, just as it's unrealistic to have a rock solid interpretation of every single fact. I'm human, I have to rely on my (possibly) faulty judgment. As as a professional writer, I'm telling ya: whoever wrote that was REAL careful when they put it together, and I don't mean about the integrity of their ideas.

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skipthesong,

About Part 1, yes the Democrats came into office promising change. What they found was that a deeply partisan Congress was unable to deliver it. While the President does not make the laws, he never exercised his veto until the Democrats were voted in. Until then--and even now--he has gotten pretty much everything he asked for in his spending bills. It seems odd to me that some people criticize the Democrats for doing nothing and that you seem to want to credit them for bringing us bad results. I think the truth is we are simply running on the fumes of the Bush administration and that it is clear that any "progress" that came before as jobs disappeared offshore and people slipped below the poverty line was mostly smoke and mirrors.

About Part 2, I'm not sure that your information is correct. Following the link you provide, the page you cite cautions me to look at this page:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22958.html

This page shows a $400 tax reduction for single tax payers earning $30,000. It shows an almost $3,000 reduction for a single tax payer earning $125,000. It's pretty clear to me who benefits from tax reductions.

About Part 3, illegal immigration is a problem. How much do you think it would cost to round up all the illegals and send them back--not only in manpower but in loss of productivity as well?

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"Responding to the ad, Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said the New York senator's support of Barack Obama is clear"

It's clear she and Bill despise the guy.

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It's clear she and Bill despise the guy.

supporting =! liking

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I agree with Sarge. Not only do they hate Obama for beating Hilary and upsetting the Clinton "dynasty" Bill would come out with his loony comments, and Obama will lose even heavier.

I`m so pleased McCain is going to be our next president, phew , relief.

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Hope McCain picks Chuck Norris

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xxBiscuitxx- whoever hepicks he ill win. The guy is a US legend.

Obama snubbed Hilary, as he cannot control her.

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Hope McCain picks Chuck Norris" I would be very upset if Chuch ran for office. I like the guy, the things he has done, the mistakes he has admitted.. I don't think he can be a scumbag enough to become what is needed to be a politician.

Sushi, thanks for taking the time to read that cut and past. I will say this, I am on the high of taxes. I would prefer they go down instead of up. I don't have that much of a problem with illegal immigration, but I would prefer not to pay for their welfare and hospital and education bills. The war ends, fine, let's pull back everything on taxes. I want to government halved I want the right to say what ever I feel. I can stand getting punched, but I can't stand getting arrested nor sued. I would prefer to more crime prevention and enforcement instead of worrying about one's punishment. I would hope that as listed as a minority contractor for the city, I am NOT forced to hire people I would prefer not too - tired of those gang members throwing hammers! I would hope that all forces are pulled back so all strategies can be thoroughly thought of and fight Islamic extremism and rid if once and for all.

I would like a HUGH tax break by living in Japan and paying Japanese tax. Please raise that ceiling amount.

I want US education standardized and more emphasis put on math, science, and English - not sexual harassment classes

Do you think I'm asking too much from Joe and O?

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"Hope McCain picks Chuck Norris"

Nah, "John & Chuck" just doesn't sound as good as "Huck & Chuck"!

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"Hope McCain picks Chuck Norris"

I'm sure this would actually appeal to some of the nutters out there armed with the right to vote.

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Norris and McCain would appeal to me and i imagine most true patriots a lot more than Biden and Obama. So i agree with you for once.

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Yeah, they could call it the HasBeen08 ticket.

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"the HasBeen08 ticket"

Obama-Bi? Bi, bi Obama! Hee hee!

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YO Madverts,

I bet old hasbeen chuck would kick your butt, still... In fact, that's it. How about like in the old days, let the cadidates duel it out. O is going to go in, he's fit, but Chuck can take care of that.

But, it sure would be funny watching Joe and John duke it out..

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"speaking at a barbecue"

If someone would invite me to a barbecue, I'd speak at it.

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He probably would :D

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One thing in politics, you should see what is not being said. Notice the Hillary did not ask to stop running the ad.

Election 2012 is underway!

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Of course he snubbed her, they hate each other. Obama and Clinton would have been a Democat dream ticket, but luckily he picked has been Biden.

McCain and whoever he chooses will walk the election, the opposyion is in turmoil.

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"the opposition ( the Democrats ) is in turmoil"

Heh, that's what the liberals say about the Republicans. Get ready for President Nader! Hee hee!

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Biden's the right pick for the Democrat party.

It's a balanced ticket - a black racist and a white one.

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It's a balanced ticket - a black racist and a white one.

Like I mentioned to Betzee upthread. Neocon 101 = take your weaknesses and project them on to your opponent.

Taka

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Joe Biden describes Barack Obama back in 2007:

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

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funny you should forget this part: Biden issued a statement Wednesday afternoon, saying: "I deeply regret any offense my remark in the New York Observer might have caused anyone. That was not my intent and I expressed that to Sen. Obama."

Biden also spoke to reporters in a conference call Wednesday afternoon and said the remark was taken out of context.

"Barack Obama is probably the most exciting candidate that the Democratic or Republican Party has produced at least since I've been around," Biden said on the call. "And he's fresh. He's new. He's smart. He's insightful. And I really regret that some have taken totally out of context my use of the world 'clean.'"

But since you want to be a concern troll/neo-con, I'm sure you are equally outraged by these words by Sen. McCain:

"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

Do you have any idea how easy this is for me?

Taka

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Homer Joe Biden, trying to outdue Hillary, or taken out of context - speaking on the East Indian influx to Delaware:

"You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts without an Indian accent."

http://video.nationaljournal.com/Monday/BidenIndian.mov

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Not being a neo-con and therefore capable of rational thought, I said to myself, "Surely Sen. McCain apologized for his 'gooks' remark."

So...I Googled "McCain apologizes for Gook remark."

Here's what the world's largest search engine had to say:

No results found for "Mccain apologizes for gook remark".

Damn. That's got to sting if you are a neo-con concern troll looking to play the racist card.

I did however, find this:

Arizona Sen. John McCain refused to apologize yesterday for his use of a racial slur to condemn the North Vietnamese prison guards who tortured and held him captive during the war.

OUCH number two.

Not that John McCain is above apologizing for racial slurs. After all, he did apologize for this statement:

But for me to stand here before all these people and say that I'm going declare divorces invalid because someone feels that they weren't treated fairly in court, we are getting into a, uh, uh, tar baby of enormous proportions.

So, I have to ask, is ANYONE going to continue to be stupid enough to throw out the racist card against Senators Obama and Biden at this point?

Taka

Moderator: All readers, back on topic please.

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Taka,

I don't take all this "Obama stumbled by not picking Hillary" stuff seriously. Had he picked her, we would see a different set of talking points on why such a choice dooms Obama. Bill Kristol, resident NYT's Op-Ed page neocon, concedes Obama's choice complicates things for McCain. Pawlenty is inexperienced on the national stage and many not inspire confidence that he could take over if necessary. The multi-mansioned duo of McCain and Mittens, well 'nuff said. So here's his suggestion:

Obama and Biden will try to frame the presidential race as a normal Democratic-Republican choice. If they can do that, they should win. That would be far more difficult against a McCain-Lieberman ticket. The charge that McCain would merely mean a third Bush term would also tend to fall flat. And an unorthodox “country first” Lieberman selection would reinforce what has been attractive about McCain, and what has allowed him to run ahead of — though not yet enough ahead of — the generic Republican ballot. A Lieberman pick should help with ticket splitters. But can such a ticket hold the support of pro-lifers, conservatives and Republicans? If you’re conscientiously pro-life, you will have reservations about a pro-abortion-rights V.P. If you’re a proud conservative, Lieberman hasn’t been one. If you’re a loyal Republican, you’d much prefer someone from within the ranks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/25/opinion/25kristol.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1219662628-x9E/0I83wzIbFevkEl1ddg

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"Neocon 101"

That would be Liberal 101.

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Biden: "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts without an Indian accent."

Ouch!

Moderator: Back on topic please.

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McCain's apology.

http://www.asianweek.com/2000_02_24/feature_mccainapology.html

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Betzee, I completely agree that every neo-con talking head with a job in "news" secretly hoped for an Obama/Clinton ticket, if for no other reason than to satisfy their blood thirst for attacking Sen. Clinton. I also largely agree that Pawlenty is not experienced enough and as I stated upthread, he had to break a campaign finance job to keep his current job. Not inspiring in the least. I still like krisol's idea of Clarence Thomas. Hand Sen. Obama the keys to the White House AND rid the bench of a useless judge in one fell swoop. Who knew kristol could be so lucid! As for me, as you can see from the above beating I gave my old pal and question avoider, undecider-kun, I'm really hoping they go with the "the Democrats are racists card." I really really am.

Taka

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heh. Ha-ha-ha!

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA

Absolutely, too funny!

"McCain's apology" from undecided-kun's link:

We're sorry, but we can't find what you're looking for.

Oh man. You just don't know when to quit, do you? Need a bigger shovel?

Taka

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I completely agree that every neo-con talking head with a job in "news" secretly hoped for an Obama/Clinton ticket,

Powerline: "I was afraid that Obama would tap Bayh, a serious man with executive experience and political appeal in a red state.

I breathed a sigh of relief that Obama chose Biden"

El Rushbo:“I really hope it’s Biden. You don’t want to say that too loud, but I really do hope that it’s Joe Biden, because we’ve got a mountain of archival audio on Joe Biden.”

Politico:"Republicans have at their disposal a long trail of Biden quotes speaking fondly of — and affiliating himself with — McCain."

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If they said or wrote it, it wouldn't have been a secret hope, now would it undecided-kun?

And what's this? No more links? What happened?

heh. Too.Easy.

Taka

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Here you go, taka.

Thursday, February 24, 2000 * Volume 21, No. 26

Jason Ma

“I will continue to condemn those who unfairly mistreated us,” McCain said in a statement released Feb. 21. “But out of respect to a great number of people for whom I hold in very high regard, I will no longer use the term that has caused such discomfort… I apologize and renounce all language that is bigoted and offensive, which is contrary to all that I represent and believe.”

"We hope that people understand that the senator was referring very specifically to the men who beat and tortured him for five and a half years in a prisoner of war camp,” McCain campaign spokesperson Dan Schnur said on Friday. “His language in no way represents his feelings toward the people in Vietnam or the Vietnamese American community.”

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lol, if I was Obama I would snub Clinton too. But if he has really snubbed the Clintons why is the first part of the convention all about them?

Guess it's just politics as usual.

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if I was Obama I would snub Clinton too

Biden is not that much different than Hillary. They're both senators with no leadership ability to add to Obama's complete lack of same.

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Undecided - "Politico:"Republicans have at their disposal a long trail of Biden quotes speaking fondly of — and affiliating himself with — McCain."

Yes, but only people who give logic a wide pass - that'd be Republicans - would think that these 'Biden quotes' still mean anything now that Biden and Obama are as close knit as McCain and abject failure are.

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Undecided - "Biden is not that much different than Hillary. They're both senators with no leadership ability to add to Obama's complete lack of same."

Heh, but these guys' lack of leadership skills simply pales into the shade when compared to McCain's 'leadership abilities' at crashing 6 or so planes, successfully screwing things up so he sits in a POW camp for 6 years in Nam and his obvious talent for ditching his first wife after a car crash.

Heh, I almost believed that for the first time today you and your rapidly swelling army of alter egos actually had a point.

Damn! You failed us again ;-)

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Nearly half of the Democrat, er, Democratic Party wanted Hillary as their nominee, and Obama chooses Biden, who almost no one in the party wanted, to be his running mate. Hey, Kerry chose Edwards, who was the second most popular Democrat after Kerry in the primary, to be his running mate...

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Sarge, who do you think McCain is going to select???

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LIBERTAS - I got 10,000 yen that says McCain is not going to select Joe Lieberman.

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LIBERTAS - "Let me answer for Patriot and Flag Wavin' Sarge!"

Never answer for me! Never!

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Sarge Kerry proved that picking runner ups doesn't work. Hillary would bring more polarization to the party from independents and would serve to bring the right wing base under mccain. she was never a serious consideration and all mccain is doing is trying to steal the democratics thunder, it is working too! mccain and co wanted hillary picked and this is their plan b

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The funny part is that the die hard rightists on here -- ahem, the few remaining -- will suddenly look at this and say, "You know, he DID snub Clinton! Curse him! He's evil!" as though they didn't hate Clinton and were deathly afraid of her to begin with. Hehehe.... as usual... McCain can't talk about anything but what the fact that he has NOTHING of substance to say for himself.

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Madverts, McCain's backers and supporters are only following the example - the bar, so to speak - set by their Dear Leader (the one who's not quite sure how many houses he own).

And slime is on the menu and unfortunately, that's about where the bar is.

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Adverts/Sushi,

Several years ago my brother joined a local wilderness search and rescue group which required being vetted by the county sheriff's office. Among the questions, "Have you ever told a racist joke?" If everyone answered honesty, it's likely the pool of eligible volunteers would dry up.

This really isn't about who's a racist. Rather it's an attempt to paint Obama as a shifty character who is untrustworthy in comparison to the Republican's POW war hero. (Never mind about his tawdry marital history life which involved trading in an aging spouse for a younger model.)

Why is this necessary? Well, they don't want to have to engage the issues. How will we finance this endless war they deem necessary for our security? No one touched that (for obvious reasons). What they have to offer is unsustainable and that means their best shot at winning is to engage in character assassination.

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As someone said, Obama needs to change his slogan from "Change you can believe in" to "Change before it's too late."

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I still think it's an abuse of the fair trade act, or whatever you have in the states to have a slogan like "fair (cough) and balanced" on Fox "news".

Damned hypocrites if you ask me.

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I still think it's an abuse of the fair trade act, or whatever you have in the states to have a slogan like "fair (cough) and balanced" on Fox "news".

They use a lot of straw men which some members of their audience may not be able to recognize. I watched about five minutes of it last week and counted three examples over that brief period. Laura Ingraham was venting about an Obama ad mocking Cindy McCain's claim that "private plane is the only way to get around in Arizona."

I hsve limited tolerance for shrieking...

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Betzee,

We don't get it here, thankfully. We do get SKY News which are Murdoch's Minion's as well, but the shrieking is towned down for the Euro audience.

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Yes, but only people who give logic a wide pass - that'd be Republicans - would think that these 'Biden quotes' still mean anything now that Biden and Obama are as close knit as McCain and abject failure are.

Keep flailing sushi, it'd be a bit of a shock after all this time to see you in any other state.

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In making the decision, Clinton was advised by Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona, an ex-navy pilot who had spent five years as a prisoner of war in Hanoi during the Vietnam War. Brushing aside criticism of Clinton's decision by some Republicans, McCain asserted that it was time for America to normalize relations with Vietnam.

Sailwind, Thanks for that reminder. It think it was absolutely the right thing to do and I think it shows that he does not harbor any racist feelings toward the Vietnamese. I would love additional ammunition but I feel truthful campaigns are in the best interest of the American public. I also appreciate your defense of Taka as far as his intelligence is concerned. I have mentioned many times in the distant past that personal attacks are uncalled for. I have criticized both liberals and conservatives for attacking fellow posters. I have however rarely given in to personal attacks on public conservative figures. I am certainly not alone in an occasional jab at the public figure. I stopped posting here because every post is riddled with argumentative fallacies. We are also not allowed to expand the arguments enough to facilitate true intellectual debate. The end result is a proliferation of Troll comments, red herrings, straw man arguments, Ad Hominem attacks and Post Hoc assumptions.

I do find it very disingenuous for McCain to claim he has anything to offer a Clinton supporter except revenge. Actually on analysis of McCain's attempts to win support of Hillary's supporters I have found many logical fallicies which follow:

Somewhere between an Appeal to Belief and an Appeal to Popularity

McCain gives the names of various prominent Hillary supporters who have joined his camp so that means you should too. All the Hill supporters are voting for me now so you need to do so also. Also very similar is the notion that Hillary supporters should be ostracized if they do not join the McCain camp this would be an example of Bandwagon reasoning.

Appeal to Consequences of a Belief - If Barrack wins Hillary won't have a chance in 2012. If Barrack wins it makes you a loser. Most importantly if Barrack wins it means Hillary was not worthy of the highest office; it would be like saying she has no skills. Barrack did not approve of Hillary becoming president; if you vote for Obama then you must not approve of Hillary. Therefore you must vote for me John McCain.

Appeal to Spite - This one is self explanatory. Vote for me, McCain, and that will teach Obama a lesson. Appeal to Emotion - "It's clear she and Bill despise the guy." That was straight out of this thread. Another would be that Obama hates the Clintons.

Appeal to Pity - You poor Hillary supporters have been dissed by Obbama come to Papa McCain.

Two Wrongs Make a Right - The Obama camp treated you shamefully and treated you with disrespect; a vote for J. McC will even the score. In the case of "Obama snubbed Hillary" it is essentially the same as an Appeal to Spite. It simply includes the person having the opinion or knowledge that McCain does not hold their beliefs but will vote for him anyway.

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I can get catfish for $1 a pound = not much of a market there.

I never really liked McCain because he seems to have way to many skeletons in his closet and will most likely be Swiftboated..

I see no reason to state the obvious and am happy that Clinton is out of it. - of course she was snubbed.

The Presidency will be a tough job and I wish him all the best.

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Badsey,

I think this is more an issue of principle. The Republican Party touts free trade (except when it runs up against constituent interests). McCain came out on the right side:

[To proponents of protection] Vietnam should stop labeling imported basa fish as catfish and thereby end what he calls its unfair piggybacking on an industry built from scratch by farmers here and in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi.

To Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and celebrated prisoner of war in Vietnam, the issue is equally clear. Just when the United States finally reached a trade agreement with its old and bitter enemy, a clutch of Mississippi Delta farmers got Congress to erect an ''offensive trade barrier.''

''No doubt,'' Mr. McCain said, ''on behalf of several large, wealthy U.S. agribusinesses that will handsomely profit by killing competition from Vietnamese catfish imports.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804EED91338F935A25752C0A9649C8B63&n=Top%2FNews%2FScience%2FTopics%2FAnimals

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I can get catfish for $1 a pound = not much of a market there.

I never really liked McCain because he seems to have way to many skeletons in his closet and will most likely be Swiftboated..

I see no reason to state the obvious and am happy that Clinton is out of it. - of course she was snubbed.

The Presidency will be a tough job and I wish him all the best.

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I can get catfish for $1 a pound = not much of a market there.

You're confusing retail price with market size. To quote the BBC:

The problem began after Vietnamese farmers - keen to reduce their reliance on rice production - started to export their own catfish to America.

This is something which concerned the US. Especially as their catfish market is worth around USD 600 million a year, and especially after the imported fish started having an impact on this industry.

In fact, the cheaper fish from the far east has eaten into the lucrative market in the US, taking up to 20 per cent of the trade and forcing the price of the fish down.

Had John McCain prevailed, you might be able to get it for cheaper! This is not certainly not enough reason to vote for him, but it speaks well of his ability to put principle ahead of party loyalty.

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McCain is simply using an old trick - use your opponent to get your point across. He is simply reminding Hillary supporters that they didn't like Obama very much.

Nice try, Taka! Now you want us to believe you didn't know McCain had apologized for his "gooks" comment ( McCain was using the term to refer to his captors, who tortured him. Jeez, I think maybe he could have called them worse... ).

"undecided-kun's beatdown by me"

Fantasizing again, are we? And putting down other posters by adding "kun" to their handles - like not capitalizing the first letters of posters - "sarge" instead of Sarge, for example.

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Sarge Why doesn't Johnny Mac tell Hillary supporters what he has to offer them instead of telling them to vote for him just to get even with Obama? He has nothing to offer them; except a vote of spite.

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People don`t understand the reality of world politics. Bush has helped create a new order in the world. The US is at the head and moderate countries, ie Britain, Australia, follow our lead.

Clinton knows this but Obama and Biden do not realise that is the way the world works now. Obama and Biden would lose us our allies in the war on terror. Terrorists would celebrate with an Obama win, the west would becom the next battle ground in the fight against terror.

Do you people still want to support Obama?

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Sarge,

It doesn't matter that McCain was using the term to refer to his captors, the term is still racist. A non-racist term would have been, well, ummm...captors.

This is not difficult to understand, I think. If you are mugged by a group of punks who happen to be black, the non-racist statement is "a bunch of guys attacked me and beat me up". You might be able to substitute "cretins" for "guys", but racial epithets betray racism.

When you're in your 70s, you should be wise enough to apologize for that. However, it's another thing altogether to change the way you think and feel. Anyway, I guess this puts "paid" to the rumors of Michelle referring to us poor white men as "honkies".

Moderator: All readers, back on topic please. Racism is not relevant to this particular discussion.

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More than half of Clinton backers still not sold on Obama - USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-24-campaignpoll_N.htm

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Obama and Biden would lose us our allies in the war on terror. Terrorists would celebrate with an Obama win, the west would becom the next battle ground in the fight against terror.

In fact in the seven years since 9/11, what has been termed "Al Qaeda Central" run by OBL, has not pulled off a major attack anywhere despite continued easy access to technologies of violence. In short, it has morphed from a terrorist organization into a video production company which releases grainy tapes of the bearded one now and then.

While Jihad is not dead, jihadists are unable to operate outside of their local environments. That means many of their victims are Muslims which does not garner them much support where they need to find it in order to survive. This is now well appreciated; reflected not just in the inhabitants of Iraq's Sunni triangle throwing the bastards out but in diverse lands such as Indonesia where the government has enjoyed considerable success in apprehending key members of Jemaah Islamiah, responsible for the Bali bombings, with the help of informants who want to rid their communities of its supporters.

So I don't think we need to continue to bankrupt ourselves by perpetuating GWB's war on terror which is certainly what John McCain intends to do if elected. The bill for private security contractor services alone in Iraq will have topped USD 100 billion by the time the current occupant departs the WH.

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Alphaape at 05:37 PM JST - 25th August said:

One thing in politics, you should see what is not being said. Notice the Hillary did not ask to stop running the ad.

Election 2012 is underway!

Hillary Said: "Now I understand that the McCain campaign is running ads trying to divide us. And let me state what I think about their tactics and these ads. I'm Hillary Clinton and I do not approve that message."

But you can watch it for yourself (Breakfast speech to N.Y. delegation)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGwN9F3960Q

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Later that day Hillary made it abundantly clear who she wants her supporters to elect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVEKtsly4nk&feature=user

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The last election in which someone who failed to win the party nod went on to be elected four years later was Ronald Reagan in 1976. Of course he was running against the incumbent, Gerald Ford. And running for office cost a whole lot less back in those days. I don't think Hillary can mount another serious campaign after losing this one. Possibly she could follow in the footsteps of Old George who was unable to get to the Oval Office directly. But that depends on someone asking her to fill the VP slot....

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"Later that day Hillary made it abundantly clear who she wants her supporters to elect"

Yeah, but do her supporters want to elect him? This is a big question.

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mccain is old and tired and forgetful. Like Reagan in his second term. He would senior moment the USA into a worse state that we have now under the idiot.

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Hillary supporters are now endorsing McCain.

It's looking like the same slow-mo train wreck the Democrat Party engineered in 04.

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Like i said earlier to the Liberals, it`s all over this time.

McCain has such a lead a momentum, that he is uncatchable. We all know Obama snubbed Clinton out of spite, but he shot himself in the foot.

What a loser. Hahaha.

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I'm glad Obama didn't pick Clinton.

That would've been a smart move.

Hopefully, McCain will pick Romney. That would be a smart move.

USAR

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"mccain is old and tired and forgetful"

And some posters can't bring themselves to capitalize McCain's name. Either that or they're old and tired and forgetful.

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mccain had a shot in 2000 but was swiftboated by rove and bush. Now he is too old to even make sense anymore. He is old and cranky and short-tempered and has lead pretty much an immoral life. He divorced his first wife at the age of 42 when he fell for a hot 24 year old. He was involved in the the huge Savings and Loan scandal of the reagan 80s becoming one of the Keating five which he never really came clean about after he was caught red-handed in the corruption. He cant even remember how many homes he owns. Five, ten, twenty. He is so rich he does not know the actual number.

He voted with bush 95% of the time. Who needs an invalid bush close for four years. Even his own party honchos are asking to say he will run only for one term cause he is so old.

Repubs can lie to themselves as they did about WMD in Iraq. This time the american people know better than to elect an invalid bush clone.

Sarge, I will say this mccain is better than fred thompson who you predicted would be the next president. What happened to him? Is he selling juicers now on late night TV?

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I hope mccain picks romney. They are perfect couple. One has forgot his morals and the other is completely without any as with most repubs.

The two of them are like grandpa (age 378) and eddie munster on the show The Munsters.

http://www.munsters.com/eddie_munster.php

http://www.munsters.com/grandpa_munster.php

See what I mean!!

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"He ( McCain ) voted with ( Bush ) 95% of the time."

That's because Bush has been right 95% of the time.

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zucronium- Sen McCain has the strength and stamina of a man half his age.Democrat supporters seem to only be able to tell jokes, and hide from the real issues. Of course Obama snubbed Clinton, he doesn`t like her or Bill, even though she was his only chance to be elected.

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bush has not been right once in eight years. even a stopped clock is right once in a while. But bush has been an alcoholic loser most of his life and somehow is guaranteed to destroy what he touches. Like the repub party now. It may not survive the bush mauling.

Sarge, come up with one initiative of the bush administration that has not been a total failure. Just one. Katrina maybe? The medical welfare act for drug companies? Bankrupting the government with his tax cuts for the top one percent? The Iraqi invasion based on lies for the oil companies that made bush president? Just one. Come on, one fact in your thousands of posts cant be too hard?

ColAmerica, mccain cant even walk off a plane without his younger wife helping down the steps. Open your eyes. mccain is old beyond his years due to the POW experience and his swiftboating by Rove and Bush in South Carolina in 2000.

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Apparently the 95% voting with Bush stat is a few years old. This year he's voted with Bush 100% of the time. Every. Single. Time.

Thank you sir, may I have another?

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no reply from sarge to my challenge to list one thing that bush as done well in eight years. Just one.

No reply cause there is nothing to day. Now if your the CEO of Exxon, sure you are happy as you bought and sold president has delivered historic profits for your company. Too bad millions of Americans are getting screwed at the pump to make Exxon richer.

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Sarge,

still waiting for a reply on one thing bush has done right. I think I hear the crickets chirping in the background. Just one.

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Rumor has it that mccain is going to pick cheney as his VP. Why bother chaing the VP when he has been so successful. As bush and mccain are so much alike it will be four more years then of the same ol same ol. Great ready for failed war number three coming up soon!!

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In my opinion it would have disastrous if he had chosen Clinton. She is too strong willed to be a vice-president. I believe they would have not gotten along very well. A president needs a VP who is compatable. I would love to see a woman as president or VP but not Mrs. Clinton. She can be downright nasty at times. Besides all that she still has Bill at her side. She should have ditched him long ago but I supposed that would not have been a good politcal move. I want whats best for my country and the world. At this time, I do not know which candidate would be the better one. I need to do some more research.

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I am surpised at his choice becuae it could be risky. One of my co-workers just said: "If she can run Alaska, I guess she could be VP."

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alasaka republicans are as corrupt to the core. Senator Ted Stevens has been indicted for corruption and yet is still running for Senate. Amazing. And mccain picks someone from this cesspool?

Anyway, the oil industry will like her for sure.

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