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To all those who have criticised my foreign policy views and views on the war on terror, you can see my views mirror McCain almost 100%.

That is why i am voting for the man. He can handle tough challenges at home or abroad.

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With the national debt at $10 trillion and growing, thanks to years of Republican mismanagement, anyone who has clear vision will eventually come to understand that foreign governments will only prop up the US economy for so much longer. Despite McCain's hot air and bluster, a bankrupt country has only so many viable options open to it.

I see no good reason to throw another Republican at the problems they themselves have created and fostered.

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yabits-

You are talking about the planets wealthiest nation, not some 3rd world dump.

Obama loves the liberal Europeans who will not support the war on terror.

McCain has wisdom, anad as a war hero, he knows what is best for our troops.

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Americans deserve a much better president than George W. Bush. And John McCain is not him.

A military vet, I am proudly supporting Senator Obama.

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`ere is that McCain geezer the same one who makes them frozen pizzas and onion rings you see in Tesco?

I don`t know much about this election, i know McCain is against the young fella. I know McCain was war prisoner, so maybe he is more likely to start another bloomin war.

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I am talking about $10 trillion dollars of debt; and the planet's biggest debtor nation. An individual can buy a lot of things on a credit card and appear wealthy -- but the reality is different.

If McCain had any wisdom, he chucked it when the wheels fell off of his Straight Talk Express. He was wise when he opposed Bush's insane tax cuts. But any wisdom that remains isn't worth a plug nickel.

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My vote is for McCain. We cannot trust Obama with foreign affairs, especially not in these dangerous times.

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McCain will be more of the same as we've seen with the disasterous Bush administration.

How can any Republican claim to have a strong handle on international policy and global good thinking? The Taliban are resurgent, Pakistan is on the brink of falling on the wrong side in the terror equasion, Iraq is still a mess and they want to pick a fight with Iran. Where is this brilliant management and thinking McCain is talking about?

We need a president with the intelligence and courage to try something new. The big stick policy just does not carry weight any more. The enemy groups know that our heavy military power is rendered useless once they engage us in a occupation. History has seen every would be global power suffer the same problem. So it is time for something new. An approach of partnership, diplomacy and engagement just at Obama is offering.

A vote for McCain is also a vote against sorting out the economy. It is a vote against working class people who have been left behind by leadership that care more about their corporate friends than the working families of America.

McCain is out of touch with the needs of Americans. He is out of touch with the reality of the international situation. And he is out of touch with how our nation needs to be led to put us back on track and reverse our decline and make America a force for good again.

McCain must lose. And he will.

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"McCain argued that Obama is too hesitant about leading America to exert itself in world affairs."

Considering the disaster that unfolded in Iraq last time America "exerted itself in world affairs", McCain is talking out of his butt.

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Bilderberg666/Confederate2008/UndecidedIn2008/

"You are talking about the planets wealthiest nation, not some 3rd world dump."

No, Yabits is talking about the world's leading debtor nation - America.

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McCain is the only candidate with a proven track record of military experience. Obama doesn`t have the guts to make tough decisions, he just panders to his European friends.

McCain would certainly serve his country well, his diplomatic skills are second to none.

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McCain, with his as yet unknown number of houses, multi-millionaire wife, embarassing war record and long history of policy flip flops has now resorted to relying on trying to sway the hardcore Republicans and unpatriotic middle-Americans who like to think they are doing right by America by supporting this unpatriotic, dangerous old man.

tkokind is right, but the flag is wrapped too tightly around some Americans' heads for them to understand - America has been seriously weakened under GWB - diplomatically, economically and in the eyes of the world.

Only a truly unpatriotic American would vote for 4 more years of Bush by making a vote for John McCain

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Obama is anti-war and the world knows it. He believes in peace through unilateral surrender. This way of thinking will not give any bad actor a second thought about starting a war or attacking America's or our allies national interests around the world. Also, for those of you that like to compare McCain to President Bush, I wonder why guilt by association only applies to Republicans?

tkoind2 says:

big stick policy just does not carry weight any more. The enemy groups know that our heavy military power is rendered useless once they engage us in a occupation.

You are in denial - America's occupation of Iraq has been a success. Unfortunately, there are just way too many Liberals who are invested in defeat and still refuse to believe it. Obama wanted to give up just when the tide of the war was turning. If he had his way, there would be a huge amount of bloodshet in Iraq right now - he just doesn't seem to care about those types of consequences. That is what makes people questions is decision-making.

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It is unthinkable to believe that McCain's approach which mirrors that of the current administration will do anymore to advance peace in the world. I just can't imagine the world suddenly becoming a better place under a conservative leadership in America

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“If he really thinks that, by liberating Iraq from a dangerous tyrant, America somehow set a bad example that invited Russia to invade a small, peaceful, and democratic nation, then he should state it outright,” McCain said, “because that is a debate I welcome.”

Ha ha, John McCain's lack of patriotism is confusing his mind.

While America became caught up in the quagmire of Iraq - thanks in part to John McCain's unpatriotic vote to authorize the war - China went into Africa and secured resources while Russia expanded militarily and economically.

Russia and the rest of the world just mocks America's attempt to 'liberate' Iraq, in fact, McCain's use of the word 'liberate' underlines his inability to see the invasion for what it really was - an unjust invasion of a country that was never a threat to America.

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Wolfpack- great post!

McCain is the man of strength, well known worldide as a diplomat. Obama is only known as a new kid on the block.

If Obama won, our enemies would feel empowered, and attacks would occur worlwide.

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KnightsTemplar

"McCain is the only candidate with a proven track record of military experience."

I seem to remember he crashed 5 or was it 6 aircraft and ended up rotting in a POW camp for 6 years.

Not very impressive.

"McCain would certainly serve his country well, his diplomatic skills are second to none."

But he can't even remember how many houses he owns, or that Czeckoslovakia doesn't exist anymore, or the difference between Sunni and Shiite.

What's the point having good diplomatic skills if he gets confused over who the enemy is?

The guy is a nutcase and only an unpatriotic American who wants to bring more harm to America would vote for him.

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SushiSake3,

Sen McCain did not crash 5 or 6 aircraft due to his lack of skills.

Stop making up stories about his memory, you talk as ig the guy is senile.

Only patriots vote for McCain, the guy has my vote.

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Wolfpack: What is it with you guys and the word "liberal"? As if has the same weight as calling someone a felon or crack head. Put down the propagandistic BS for a moment and look at reality through clear eyes.

Iraq is a little better today than a year ago. But we still see suicide bombers, now many more female bombers, groups in conflict that cannot be easily resolved and a situation that will, without doubt, collapse if our troops leave.

So what does that mean for us? A choice between a permanent presence there or having to worry about going back in. And what did we gain? So far a big bill of debt for this war. And this is all before we ask the question of if there had been other less deadly solutions.

See we like to only count our dead. But what about the 100,000s of Iraqi dead? Do you think they are happy about the whole situation? Many, and I mean many think we have made things worst for them. And they are most likely right.

And who said anything about surrender? Show me a quote! Obama wants to take another approach. When something doesn't work to achieve your goals, you try other options. That is simply rational thinking and practical execution of policy. Ever heard the phrase "beating a dead horse?" Time to try something new.

And about guilt by association. Just what group of political leaders have empowered GWB to do all that he has done? The greens? So called Liberals? No, it is the Republican party. You know it, everyone knows where that party stands on global politics. And it has been an epic nightmare of misteps and dropped opportunities.

McCain's views will have us at war with Iran soon. And I promise you that Iran will be like tossing matches in a box of explosives. It will galvanize anti-American sentiment in the Islamic world, bankrupt our nation and maybe even lead to civil unrest at home as a draft will be almost certainly required to staff the military.

We need change. If you are right or left, you have to realize that by now. The economy is a mess, international policy is a mess, we are more isolated than we have been since before WWI politically and we need change. McCain does not represent change. He represents a continuation of the same blinded policies that got us where we are today.

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McCain is clearly a candidate who has no idea about economics and whjose policies would run up trillions more in debt for America.

McCain war-loving policies would also cost more American lives and treasure.

McCain's environmental policies, especially his gas tak holiday pandaring to the electorate would ramage the envionment and the air Americans breath.

All in all, John McCain is Unpatriotic Choice.

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John McCain also realizes America is impotent when it comes to handling Russia over Georgia - GWB has been reduced to issuing some statements and making some angry-sounding phonecalls to people who don't speak his language.

John McCain's policies would continue those of GWB and continue to weaken America diplomatically and economically.

But it is facts like this that John McCain hopes his unpatriotic supporters never find out.

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John McCain will continue the strong stance against terror, to ensure future generations safety. His skills with the economy, will ensure growth continues, as it has done every year sine Bush was elected.

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"McCain is talking out of his butt"

That would be the poster who posted that.

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We need a president with the intelligence and courage to try something new. The big stick policy just does not carry weight any more.

What do you suppose we do to try new things? Send in NGO relief aid? Not good, since if you read the postings here, you would know that a Japanese worker was just captured by the Taliban. Try to talk to them? Well, not everyone is as "enlightened" as Obama, so when nations like Russia can steam roll over another country to reclaim a part of them, or like China where they can put on a great show, and tell you not to report on what they are doing interally or to places like Tibet. Or the junta in Burma that would let his own people die rather than take aid from foreign (not even US) help.

As far a the US debt is concerned. It seems to me that in my 43 years that the US budget did not get balanced in my life time until the 1990's. So all those years of the "Great Society Programs" as well as military spending did not break the US for the past 43 years of my life, and probably the hundred or so years before I was born. If memory serves me, the only other times the budget was actually balanced was back in th3 1840's.

If I were McCain, I would say we would be tough on foreign policy, but also start cutting some of the largess spending we give to other nations.

It is unthinkable to believe that McCain's approach which mirrors that of the current administration will do anymore to advance peace in the world. I just can't imagine the world suddenly becoming a better place under a conservative leadership in America

Let me ask a simple question. Would you rather live in an area with great police protection or an area where the police presence was not so great, and crime was able to rise without any controls? I am not advocating a police state, but living in an area where if the CRIMINALS know that they have a better than average chance to get caught is by far a better place to live than one where the crooks know that they can get away. The US, like it or not is seen as the world's "policeman." If so that takes a great responsibility. I am not saying that the US should have an unrestrained hand at doing anything and everything above the law, but to be just in our dealings and not denying the rights of others, like a good cop should.

A US, with a FP that says we will not tolerate abuse and will be a stand against tyranny, and not just act in a capricous manner is what will make this place a little safer.

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KnightsTemplars ... Silly comment:"Only patriots vote for McCain". That reflects the ridiculous implication that anyone who votes for Obama is not patriotic. Respectfully, there is nothing patriotic about voting for a man who simply wants to continue the disasterous policy of America as the bully of the world. The only difference bewteen him and Bush, is that he is not a "chicken hawk", but a hawk nonetheless. As a result, he completely misses the nuances that are at the heart of real diplomacy. And, his quote about Russia and Georgia demonstrates this perfectly. While he does not see any link between the U.S.'s unilateralism in Iraq, and Russia going into Georgia, everone with half a brain does -- including the Russian Foreign Minister who drew exactly that comparison when he said Russian withdrawl from Georgia is totally analogous to the U.S. situation in Iraq. We have had eight years of ideologues and governing with clever sound bites -- we need better. And, his widely reported temper scares me to death. Just what the U.S. needs -- a stbborn old man with a temper.

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Wouldn't it be great if the war supporters on this board actally gave a damn and began honoring the fallen troops by honoring GWB's signed agreeement to withdraw all US forces from Iraq to stop more Americans dying for nothing?

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WEll, I'm for Obama here because since there are a variety of things going on beside this here war. There should be a controlled pull out in Iraq, but this war is pretty much to assist the corporations around the world that only think about money. McCain in my opinion will make reducing dependence on oil (and mostly the companies that make $$$ off of it) an extremely slow if not cancelled process.

In my opinion this is not and never has been a sign of progress. We need to encourage the developement of alternate fuel, energy, and resources so that OIL will not be the main drive in our countries survival. While it may be painful there has been lots of alternate technology that could have reduced our dependance by at least a good 50~70% (kinda stretching at 70%) but its a lot better than keeping ourselves holed up lock stock and barrel.

I agree with Yabits, America is by no means truely wealthy. Just like a person with no budget sense and a credit card, so is the current state of our country. If we can get on our feet and bring back innovative and new ways of doing things instead of the same old same old which keeps producing the same results of increasing our nations beholding to others.

@ColAmerica the way I see it, think of it as corporations having too much power in the governments decisions to "make more money" and the way we are now, its like having someone sell your land right out from under you. Which I'm pretty much sure is going to happen with the way things are going on now. I'm sure your patriotic heart doesn't want that to happen now does it?

Some people in this country earn and make millions and billions, and on top of that some of them have the gall to try to get tax breaks or even cheat to avoid paying taxes any way they can. Yes our country can make money, but its getting enough back to be paying off our trillions worth of debt.

Its not a guarantee that a democratic party will make things change the way we wish it too, but its good to have a breath of fresh air and see how the other team does in the current situation we are in now.

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Some people in this country earn and make millions and billions, and on top of that some of them have the gall to try to get tax breaks or even cheat to avoid paying taxes any way they can. Yes our country can make money, <i>but its NOT getting enough back to be paying off our trillions worth of debt.</i>

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Alphaape.

Look the fear card just does not play any more. We know that the last four years your team have played upon our fears. You draw black and white world visions of good vs. evil where we have to entrust our safety to your party or die horribly.

Well... forget it. The fear card is played out. We now fear incompetent short sighted leadership as much as we fear terror. We know that 3,000 people died on 911 but that over 4,000 of our kids have died in your idiotic wars. And to what benefit?

Are we safer after 4 years of Bush? No. On 912 the US has the sympathy of the world. A smart leader would have taken advantage of that to gain global collaboration in fighting terror. But no, we had to play the big stick card and go into two wars that failed to achieve any of their objectives. And now more of the world mistrusts and hates us. So are we more safe today? Not at all.

Had we followed the other path, we could see progress against terror, towards reconciliation of Islam and the west and greater trust. And that is just the kind of thinking we need to be following today.

Your war machine has failed to resolve anything. If Pakistan falls into fundamentalist hands where do you think Afghanistan will go? We barely have a hold on Kabul today after 6 years of pointless war. And Iraq is just waiting for us to leave for it to fall into internal civil conflict.

The world does not want a "policeman" they want a visionary leader with the resources and power to make good things happen. That is the America of WWII. The America today is seen as an imperialistic loner who will impose her will on everyone by economic or military force. It makes people fear and mistrust us. And it creates more enemies not less.

No one takes our military might seriously any more after two long dragged out neo-Vietnams in Iraq and Afghanistan. With China and Russia both competing for the global stage, we have nothing to keep either in check. Our alliances are not strong, our military is overtaxed and our economics are a mess. Where is the amazing American power you are talking about.

Look at Georgia. What can we do about that? And they have NATO protection. Protection that cannot be enforced and as such undermines NATO's validity. Were we not buried in two losing wars we could have more credibility in this case. But Russia knows a wounded and weakened animal when it sees one.

As for the 1990s balanced budgets came from Clinton not the Republicans. It was on Bush's watch that things got this bad.

Nations that deserve to lead and protect are nations with the intelligence and courage to change course when they make mistakes. There is still time to work with other nations to address the threats that face us. We need to put aside fear in favor of courage to try new options. We cannot let our fears or those you would impose upon us make us blind to the right actions.

Diplomacy is essential, new visions to solve long standing conflicts are required. Engagement with our enemies will help resolve problems. America needs to return to beging the peace broker and abandon this unwanted role of policeman. The world does not want it and it does not work for us politically or economically.

It is time for change. So put away the fear card. We don't buy into it any more. We fear McCain's out of touch policies and poor understanding of every day working Americans much more than we fear AlQaida or the Taliban. His type of policies are killing our way of life at home every single day and every family is feeling it. And we don't see that you have delivered a single thing other than a lot of dead bodies on both sides in your war on terror. Terror is still out there, still determined and still thinking about hitting us, maybe even more so. It is just covered in a lot more blood than even on 912. Time to take a new approach.

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tkoin2,

You are so out of touch with relity, it scares me.

Obama being elected would cause the deaths of thousands of Americans, our enemy would attack us at will.

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correction. After 8 years of Bush. Wishing it had only been 4. ;)

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sushi: John McCain is Unpatriotic Choice." I'm not going to accuse him of not being patriotic but I won't dispute your claim. But I would like to go further, both O and McC are all for giving more and more rights and privileges to illegal immigrants, giving them free health care while many Americans are having trouble finding jobs. The illegal immigration issue, which has been downplayed by both McC and O is costing the country almost the same as the Iraq war and it is also disrupting a lot of the political course the US is taking. Neither of them are going to take any measures in stopping the flow, even though towns they both roll through looking for votes are damn near bankrupt due to illegal immigration. Neither of them are stating what they are going to do about santuary cities who are allowing people who killed or have crimes to hide with the city authorities protecting them. So, if you want to call McC unpatriotic and you are willing to keep the above point in mind, I'll give it to you, but you must count O as the same as well.

And, least none of us forget, Kennedy and McCain are basically buddies.

If you want to talk about a pair that matches, I would go as far as saying Hillary and McCain would have been a logical team.

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Obama being elected would cause the deaths of thousands of Americans, our enemy would attack us at will."

Please explain this in greater detail.

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ColAmerica. On what do you base this conclusion?

What policy statement has Obama made that suggests surrender, capitulation or any other policy that would result in the deaths of thousands?

What policies does McCain offer that would prevent these and other deaths?

Obama has talked about political engagement. The iron is that this kind of diplomacy first thinking was true of Reagan, Bush Sr. and other much greater Republican leaders of the past. Since when is talking to people a weakness?

We've been dupted into thinking that the world only understand the sharp end of a stick by people who want us to be afraid and passive. Well.. doesn't fly any more. Diplomacy builds links to partnerships that can help address problems. Engagement gets people talking and working on real, lasting solutions. It costs less to talk than to deploy troops and people respond to it a lot better.

Historically we have been a nation of diplomacy. It is time we act truly conservatively and go back to that old and proven approach. Obama recommends better diplomacy backed by our economic and military power. Now that makes sense.

Stay on this Bush-ist path and you will see a lot more dead. And when the draft comes to support all these losing wars, you'll see a lot of those dead right at home in riots, economic depression and civil conflict. Just try to enact a draft today to support your wars. I promise you civil unrest at a level unseen since the 1960's and a polarizing split of the nation unmatched since the Civil War.

Just how do you think our enemies will view that?

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Four More Years! Four More Years! Four More Years! Four More Years!

As I wish the worst for the US I fully support John McCain. For more lobbies destroying the social system, more lobbies asking for new wars, for more powerful corporations !

Four More Years! Four More Years! Four More Years! Four More Years!

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skipthesong- Obama will cut military spending to fund his lavish social welfare plans. Our troops will lose a lot of their capabilities, and are security would be weakened.

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tkoind2: you wrote a damn good post there.

I will dispute just one thing: "Had we followed the other path, we could see progress against terror" I don't think we had a choice. Who was to say nothing was going to happen soon after 9-11. " towards reconciliation of Islam and the west and greater trust." I have to disagree. Even before America was a strong country, Islam has always had a mistrust against every other. I don't see where or why we or I would have anything to reconcilliate with anyone following Islam or any religion for that matter.

Still, your post was great.

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tkoind2- You fear monger to try to encourage folk to vote for Obama.

It shall not work. Have you seen the polls lately? He is heading for a crushing defeat.

We shall not need the draft, our military has the resources to carry out any missions we may need, taht is a fact.

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ColAmerica.

Who pays taxes in the US? You and I do. The average working class people pay a lot of their income to taxes. Being middle class used to mean a stable job, good place to live, chance to send the kids to safe schools and maybe college afterwards. It meant being part of safe communities with good infrastructure and resources. It meant growth and prosperity.

What does it mean today? Declining job security and weakened buying power. It means having a lot of debt. It means being unable to afford or keep a home. It means schools that look more like prisons, fewer chances to send the kids to college. And debit if you do. It means bridges that are falling down and roads that are no longer safe.

See all the money we need to take care of the guy and gal next door is flooding out to keep wars that we didn't need going in other countries. Wars that have not made us more safe. And that promise to drain even more of our money.

The corporate friendly policies of the Repubicans put business first and working class people dead last.

Lavish social-welfare?!?!? Like what?!?! Proper healthcare for people? America is like a 3rd world nation in terms of access to care for most people. 1/2 the nation cant afford good care. The rest are paying way too much for it. While med companies rake in money.

Lavish programs. Like our schools with declining quality and lost competitivness with other countries?

Lavish like roads that don't fall in?

Get a clue my friend. The country is falling apart and every day people are being left behind at levels that would be seen as shameful in most European and other first tier nations. We have shameful social welfare and support programs. And it hurts every day families not just the poor.

Go fight your wars with your corporate money if you want to control pipeline access through Afghanistan and oil in Iran and Iraq. Let our boys and girls come home and take care of our local problems. And make diplomacy work for us abroad.

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tkoin2- I do not see this America you talk about. I am richer every year. Where i live the schools are equipped with the best equipment money can buy. Crime is low, poverty is practically unknown. We do not even require a soup kitchen for homeless and poverty stricken folk.

I see working class people at my country club, who earn minimum wage, and they seem satisfied, well dressed and well fed.

I do not see these problems in the US that you do.

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Skipthesong.

I think the Islamic world was as outraged by 911 as we were. Many leaders from around the world, many of them our enemies expressed shock and dismay that something that horrific had been done in the name of their faith.

Had we engaged those individuals at that time we may have had an opportunity to work on the gulf that separates us.

I firmly believe that terrorist groups are fed by alienated people with no other opportunties and very little hope. If the money that went into these two wars had gone into programs to improve economies in these regions we could have harmed terror recruiting and helped reduce the threat.

Likewise I believe we could have demonstrated cooperation with leaders from that world to show we were not an enemy.

While Palestine and our support for ruthless leaders like the Saudi's still hurts us, we could have worked on these issues more intensly as well.

Of course going after Bin Laden was important. But it could have been done without the Iraq war. And it could have been done with the cooperation of Islamic leaders.

We paint too black and white a picture of Islam. And we lack understanding. There are solutions here and they all depend upon economic improvement to remove more of the motivations of young people to join these groups. And it involved engagement with Islamic leaders who can help turn the tide of violent thinking that threatens them as much as it does us.

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ColAmerica. I see your posts are not serious so won't waste time addressing them. If you are serious then I'd like to see this world you live in.

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tkoind2- i grew up in a rather wealthy family in a respectable area. I have inherited the family business, so i know how to work hard for a living. If i can manage to live the American dream, why can`t others?

Obama would tax folk like me to give to handouts to layabouts. Our enemies would laugh as Obama decimates our military, and turns is into a 2nd class military operation.

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ColAmerica- I am a Republican McCain supporter, but i can see where things can improve. The America you talk about is not normal buddy, not normal at all.

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Hilarious - like the Republicans' views don't? From the same man who has cheerleaded the invasion of Iraq, McCain has had the gall to protest the Russians' little incursion into Georgia - the stated justification for which was to prevent Georgian "terrorism" against minorities. Incredible ultra hypocrisy once again

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ColAmerica- I dont agree with the Obama guys, but the stuff you say is weird man. Obama is not gonna take our money away to give to layabouts, he may not do what bwe want, but i dont think he wants to hurt businessesthat create employment. Of course if you are correct, then Obama is the weird guy.

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Since when is talking to people a weakness?

Chamberlain. Obama simply wants to come in and appease the enemy.

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In the end, confusion about such questions only invites more trouble, violence and aggression.

Maybe so. But misplaced clarity about such questions, invites that crowd in, offers them tea, drinks their liquor and ends up bent over the coffee table.

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tkoind, not try to put "fear" into people on why McCain should win, but stating what I see. Sad to say, the stronger ones usually win in the human race. That does not mean the "bully" but the one who is responsible with their strength and not one forcing people to do their will.

Did Bush make mistakes, yes. But look at him and Jimmy Carter. Carter was seen as week, and look what happened.

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If we had had the troops, John McCain would have advocated that we attack the Russians. Thank goodness we don't have the troops to send into another fight. < :-)

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I'm afraid I see Obama as a 2008 version of Jimmy Carter. International diplomacy by appeasment, inherite a bad economy and make it worse throught higher taxes (remember the misery index?). To paraphrase Hillary Clinton: ....John McCain has years of experience, Barak Obama has a speach he made in 2002. Sorry, but I'm not willing to trust national security to someone who does not listen to the intellegence community but goes by gut feeling.

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Excuse me Mr. "bomb bomb bomb...bomb bomb Iran," you were saying Sen. Obama would invite trouble abroad?

Wow. I hate to say this about someone I used to admire, but McCain has totally jumped the shark.

Taka

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ColAmerica at 11:05 AM JST - 27th August tkoin2- I do not see this America you talk about. I am richer every year. Where i live the schools are equipped with the best equipment money can buy. Crime is low, poverty is practically unknown. We do not even require a soup kitchen for homeless and poverty stricken folk. I see working class people at my country club, who earn minimum wage, and they seem satisfied, well dressed and well fed. I do not see these problems in the US that you do.

That's because you live in Japan...

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I am a resident of a rather tastefull little town, on the right side of ton, of course. Obama`s policies would destroy this, we would not feel safe. We would have to build bunkers, buy gas masks. Who knows what would happen, should he win. The terrorists would be attacking us and our allies constantly.

It is a terrible thought, i ask all Democrats, to see the light, vote for a safe America, vote McCain.

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ColAmerica- People call my ideals right wing. I feel kinda left wing cmpared to you. I think Obama would not be able to cope with a foreign crisis. I think America is safer in the hands of McCain. I won`t go as far as buying gas masks should he win though. hahaha.

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“Now I missed a few years of the Cold War as a guest of one of our adversaries, but as I recall the world was deeply divided during the Cold War—between the side of freedom and the side of tyranny,” said McCain.

Sen. McCain should be careful with this. He's getting awfully close to POW tourettes. Look what "a noun, a verb and 9-11" did for rudy 9-11.

Taka

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When Obama loses we will have to spend the next four year hearing Hillary say "I told you so" and she is setting herself up for 2012 by not antagonizing anyone in the Democratic Party now. With McCain we will get more of the same, but with Obama we will certainly see higher taxes, or at least taking more from the wealthy to give to the laggards in the US society. Both candidates have their strong and weak points -- the voters will have to weigh those points when they close the curtain and make their choice. Lets see should I vote for: 1) Colonel Sanders 2) Jimmy Carter (with a suntan) 3) None of the above

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We paint too black and white a picture of Islam. And we lack understanding." That really is not our fault, its more theirs than ours. I you think we lack understanding, then you are saying we are no different as they are.... And, what is Obama gonna do about it? Obviously, we can't just let them run free, the same way we would want the KKK or Nazis running free with watch over them.. McCain's approach will only work momentarily, but once they get themselves together then we are talking about some nasty stuff to come. So, you are correct that there is a need for a different approach, but you are leaning on that "The is the Evil guy picture" and they are not. I would pay for a large party the day we can break away from Saudi Arabia's ruling family. I hope the next president has the guts to do that.

Knights, like your counter post in your posts, "but i dont think he wants to hurt businessesthat create employment". This is an issue many like me or anyone owning businesses. Dems have not been very friendly to small businesses in the past. Since have a contracting firm back in the states, and in a very dem controlled area, there are mandates telling me who I can and can not hire, while my brother doesn't have that issue in Florida. It is an issue and it is not being discussed, like so many other issues that need to be.

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HaHa, "Jimmy Carter (with a suntan)" I like that!

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I happen to like both Obama and McCain. I guess that means I support all of the doomsday scenarios written in this thread? I support lavish social programs that will bankrupt America, I support terrorists attacking America at will, I support destroying the middle class, I support invading 100 countries, I support increasing the national debt, etc.

I'm evil! Muhahahahahahhahahahaah

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John McCain has years of experience... What a line when looking at the years gone by.. The US has been in a downward spiral for even more years than McCain's experience and with his experience the downward trend kept going and going and going down hill like a non-stop train, and has only took a faster speed in the last eight years..

Like this type experience? I sure the hell don't. I see the US loosing support of our allies and why all we look at when it comes to foreign affairs is decisions made by the US, decisions made on the one element of , can we do this on our own. When Georgia was the largest contributor to troops in Iraq, that just blew my mind finding that out.

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TonyUS: Take it up with Hillary, she said it.

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"Sorry, but I'm not willing to trust national security to someone who does not listen to the intellegence community but goes by gut feeling."

Like George Bush who ignored all the signs that Iraq had no nukes?

References to Chaimberlain are really not relevant here. Obama has never said anything about appeasement. There is a big difference between appeasing people and engaging them in diplomacy.

Diplomacy is essential if we are to find long term solutions for problems. Sure you can bomb someone today to solve an immediate problem, but his brother or son may blow up your buildings a few years later. This is called Blowback and it is very clear that 911 was in part motivated by past US policies. So if you go off doing the same kind of things, expect to have a negative reaction at some point at the cost of innocent lives.

We need solutions that have a chance to address the root problems. Poverty, hoplessness and disenfranchisment give traction and power to extreme groups. Invested active and hopeful people don't blow themselves up. So let's make more people better off. This can be done through cooperative programs, micro-economics and micro-banking, broader education and othe opportunities to improve conditions for people in danger zones.

Do this and be seen as a benefactor nation and internal pressures from mainstream Muslims may come to bear more heavily upon the radicals. Already we are seeing this in some leaders in Iran and other nations starting to fight back against the violent tide. This can and must be encouraged.

Obama talks about cooperation with our allies. WWI and WWII would have been lost without similar thinking. If we want to win the war on terror, it will not be won by more troops or weapons. It will be won through partnerships with allies to affect changes that get at the root problems. And only by this kind of approach. War breeds more anger and will only encourage future terror.

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I should connect that statement about Goergia, why in the world were they the largest contributor to troops in Iraq when we have such great allies??? What allies???????? This is the friendship these radical republicans has created for us around the world.. Yeah I feel much more safe when it comes to needing help with international issues and problems. What has happened to our friends and allies guys???.

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All seems to be talking trash or living in some dream world of their own. This is reality that we are speeking here , not some mental blockage of the facts. We need a drastic change in all directions because over , especially the last eight years we have lost all credibility and the support of most of our allies around the world and we are driving lost!

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and alone

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tkoind2: If you read George Tennet's book (a Clinton appointee as Director National Security) you will see that all indications were that Sadam was hiding weapons. It turns out that Sadam was so afraid that Iran would find out he had no WMDs he did everything he could to convince them that he still did. Unfortunately he convinced the CIA and British intellegence too.

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Correction, George Tennet was CIA Director not Director National Security.....my bad. Anyway Mr. Tennet comes down hard on Dick Chaney but says that George Bush, Condaleeza Rice and Colin Powell were really trying to get the right information. Just FYI.

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7+ years of Bush "foreign policy" should have made it painfully clear that conservatives are frelling cowards with no sense of humanity to guide their actions. Oddly enough, many of you here are resistant to acknowledging reality. (Probably because of its well-known liberal bias.)

McCain is made from that exact same mold. His policies would simply continue the inflammation of terrorism, decimation of economy, and retardation of progress that have been Bush's prime directives.

Obama, while not a great choice, is still a positive choice. And his positive beats McCain's negative any day of the week.

McCain is certainly capable of learning. The problem is, he learned from BushCo's school of lies and slander rather than, say, the Bible he pretends to be guided by or the military code of honor that he should have sworn to uphold.

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McCain is the guy you can trust. Obama is bout of his depth on the world stage.

He has all the style, but no substance. He is a laughing stock worldwide.

McCain as an honest dependable guy, who will do his best for us all, yes i will vote for McCain.

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techall. I think a lot of people saw through Sadam's posing over having WMDs as exactly that, a means of bargaining for power and position against both Iran and the US. It was a poker bluff that backfired. But the indicators that it was a bluff were clearly there. Including the one main reason it was impossible for him to have WMDs, that being the long embargo against Iraq that would have made it impossible to obtain most of what was needed.

ColAmerica. I think the real truth is that the world sees hope of regaining a reasonable US policy position if Obama is elected and fear more of the same old GWB policies with McCain. Show me people outside the US who are fans of GWB and who think McCain is a solution. The press out here in the rest of the world is not very favorable of McCain and looking pretty interested in Obama.

The bottom line here is change. Rome faded largely due to internal self descruction. The US is in the same boat today. Change could reverse this decline. But the US has no chance if it maintains the current course of action.

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First off, my fellow Americans, you make me sick.

I have no doubt that McCain believes that what he is doing is best for the country. I have no doubt that he is anything but a good, hardworking man.

However, I also have no doubt that he is wrong.

My fellow Americans, please pull your heads from out of the hole. Please see past the fear in politics. Please see how the word "liberal" is thrown around as disgusting word, like "commie" or even "Jew" once was. It's all blind propaganda that ignores meat of the messages people are trying to spread.

"This dangerous time, we cannot have a liberal in power."

Come on. 1. Is it really so dangerous? Or are we being told it's dangerous so that we are too afraid to support a candidate who wants to end wars?

How did the world change? Under who's policies did the world change? Who's policies have made things worse and worse?

My fellow Americans, I challenge you to leave behind the programmed thinking of your political team and think rationally about how the world works. Listen to McCain. Listen to Obama. They are both smart men. They are both running for President because they believe that they can make the world a better place. Don't listen to the rubbish that says "he's too old" or "he's too inexperienced." For those of your reciting those lame excuses phrases over and over, have you even read the platforms of the candidate your lambasting?

Personally, I believe that Obama is best for our country and best for the world. But I would never call McCain and old coot. I respect what he is trying to achieve. I just think he's wrong.

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The US under Bush Co has done nothing but "create more trouble and aggression in the world." You could even add "hate", "death" and a whole host of nastiness to the bush's legacy.

Heh, McBush hasn't got a pot to piss in.

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Madverts; Bush has done a great deal for the world, including liberating Iraq and Afghanistan.

McCain has the ability to carry on these policies.

Obama would run away and cut funding tou the military.

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Yes, the 3 metre blast walls seperating Iraqi comunities is a fantastic achievement.

Heh, the Denial just gets more comical...

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Madverts- I am not denying anything at all.

Bush is respected especially in the UK, Gordon Brown recently called Bush, his closest ally. That does not sound like a guy who is hated.

Obama will allow the militants into Iraq, and to destroy our efforts.

McCain will carry on with common sense policies, looking out for US and Iraqi citizens.

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Everyone who thinks starting a war with an end result of more total terrorists in the world and more total alQaeda in the world is in fact inviting less trouble abroad raise your hand. Ah, yes I thought I would see you guys raise your hands. You are the same people that were unable to see Cheney's hand up Bush's backside when he was sitting on Cheney's lap. Come on guys you could see Dick's lips moving!

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Bush has done a great deal for the world, including liberating Iraq and Afghanistan.

Now I really had to laugh at this one, and wondered for a moment if it was a sarcastic joke, but then I realized that it was the voters with the same sense of humor who put Bushes in office and will attempt to repeat the joke. One with a tragic outcome. More countries liberated by the wealthiest nation - tongue in cheek.

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mccain is just four more years of failure, bush style.

John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush 90 percent of the time. That's not a maverick. That's a sidekick. Sen. Bob Casey.

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"John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush 90 percent of the time."

There is some truth to that. And there isn't. The corporations controlling the media call McSame a "maverick". But the Congress I thought we elected to remove the winger regime also votes with bush 90 percent of the time! I don't know about you, but I kind of envy the provinces in Georgia breaking away to rejoin Russia.

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Absolutely hilarious thread, love it. Tells me a lot about the people supporting either side. Couldn't careless who wins, but a little less war would be nice. Perhaps a weaker US would do the world some good and balance out the powers. IF the US was in such a position to only worry about themselves and only themselves then maybe other countries will learn from them and follow suit. Cutting down on arms and actually thinking about their own citizens. As for the totalitarian dictatorship regimes, well they won't survive forever. Hopefully I have sparked some more nationalistic views with all this loose talking...

Now let round 2 commence!!

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If I were a terrorist hiding in the Hindu Kush, I would be praying for an Obama/Biden victory. That should be enough for most people to see that voting McCain is the only sensible choice. He is a good man in a storm.

Obama is an empty suit in the same mold as John Edwards, minus the bastard child and blonde mistress. He seems to be a decent and intelligent man, but way out of his league. I wouldn't hire anyone for an important job if they had less than 2 years' experience. For president? Please.

Tell me, how many terrorist attacks have their been in the US since 9/11? THAT should tell you about how effective Bush has been.

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Kudos to moonbeams for a sensible post! If you read one post in this thread, read that one!

In response to McCain's words, no solution is perfect. But the U.S. needs less unilateralism and less maverick action. They need to start playing well with others again. America's cred is in the trash heap, and its going to take a president with ears as well as a mouth to get it back. And the greatest way to hold back terrorism is mutual respect and cooperation with allies. And that takes credibility. I believe Obama is the man for the job of getting American credibility back.

For those insulting McCain's war record: give it up. You are not doing Obama any favors with those sour grapes. McCain had a slow start to becoming a good pilot, granted, but he went on to successfully fly some very high risk missions over North Vietnam at a time when they were well equipped by the Soviets. He did not crash his plane before being captured, HE WAS SHOT DOWN WITH A SOVIET SURFACE TO AIR MISSLE. Okay? Don't say he crashed. That is just ignorant and stupid. I am sure McCain supporters already know this, and laugh at stupid comments like that. And don't even get me started on the U.S.S. Forrestal. Nor his refusal to take an offer to be sent home earlier than his fellow P.O.W.s. The man is a hero. You cannot swiftboat him. You cannot box him with a chickenhawk like Bush who crashed no planes only for lack of getting in them! You look a fool doing these things. Read up on McCain's history and let it go.

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Personally, I believe that Obama is best for our country and best for the world.

Oh do tell, do tell, what great things does the great Obama have planned for the hard working American people besides higher taxes, environmental wackiness, government run health care and dhimmitude?

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Obama will reverse global warming and restore our shattered alliances. It might take longer than two terms though.

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"Gordon Brown recently called Bush, his closest ally. That does not sound like a guy who is hated."

Heh, Gordon Brown has appoval ratings even worse than Bush Co. And yes, amazingly, that's possible!

"Obama will allow the militants into Iraq, and to destroy our efforts."

Heh, and the old hated, Reality, sez that the invasion put all the red-eyed militants in Iraq.

"McCain will carry on with common sense policies, looking out for US and Iraqi citizens."

Heh, and I remember when those making fun out of the extreme rifght were acutually funny....

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Reversing global warming is easy and he'll get it done before his first term is over because all it takes is Algore and his merrymen to say the world has been saved. Restoring shattered alliances is easily within reach as it is not hard to do for a guy who has already demonstrated his ability to throw his own grandmother under the bus.

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VOR,

"Reversing global warming is easy and he'll get it done before his first term is over"

Is that what has been said, or where you just making it up in true republican desperation....?

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DS at 09:35 PM JST - 27th August Tell me, how many terrorist attacks have their been in the US since 9/11? THAT should tell you about how effective Bush has been.

Honestly, good old Mc does not know the difference between Shia and Sunni. How can anyone believe we will be better off with this man in office? Hell I am surprised he can even tell the time of day with out someone whispering it into his ear.

Please the man has more handlers than a circus elephant. If he gets into the Oval Office he would not know how to find the door.

If I were a terrorist hiding in the Hindu Kush, I would be praying for an Obama/Biden victory.

Aha! Yes folks call GW Bush we have found Bin Laden! Ok DS (or should I call you Bin Laden!) where exactly are you hidding. We want exact Latitude and Longitude. No tricks now, we have you! Ok can you also tell us the post office Code of your cave?

You see ole GW Bush has had a very bad problem with that sort of thing. This is kind of funny but you can not blame GW he confuses things you see. You see someone told him that that enemy (Bin Laden, you!) was hiding in a cave in Afghanistan which is 33º 00' N and 65º 00' E.

But he got confused and attacked Iraq which is 33º00´ N and 44º00´ E. He was a little off and you got away. So if you would not mind can we have him catch you at last? He made a promise and GW always keeps his promises.

What we need from you is the following, mailing address of your cave and please include your postal code. Oh last thing can you send a self addressed stamped envelope? It seems that GW has had problems licking and sealing also. We are trying to help him learn how to do that properly. Thank you for helping GW in finding you, wow 6 years but he has you now, JOY!

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madverts: the only desperation I see is on your part with your attempt to misquote me. If you read my entire sentence, you'll get my drift and perhaps you'll be all the wiser.

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cwhite ( 9:29PM ) - "Perhaps a weaker US would do the world some good"

Yeah, that, coupled with a stronger Russia, eh? Ho ho ho!

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a stronger Russia would mean what? they have enough internal problems as well as the rest of the world watching them do stupid stuff. I think they have reached a point where although they pretend they don't care how other countries view them inside they want to be the good guys. Another cold war would devastate the country especially without the rest of the Soviet Union (perhaps they will try to reunite them, haha)

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it is not hard to do for a guy who has already demonstrated his ability to throw his own grandmother under the bus.

I prefer Obama's simple anecdotes to your overblown hyperbole.

I often relay the story of how my own grandmother once protested "You are NOT going that party with that black girl!" It was a shock, because otherwise my granny was quite tolerant. But I chalk it up to the same small-minded reflex reaction that Obama was talking about. They are at the heart of racism, and if we fail to recognize them and subdue them, then we will be ruled by them. I am impressed that Obama can recognize these things in the human psyche, know it is natural, and still respect his granny as I do mine. It is always depressing however when people such as yourself do not have the intelligence to understand the meaning of his words and are reduced to focusing on snippets and misconstruing the whole thing, all the while strutting like you know something and spreading your ignorance with confidence only a village idiot can usually possess. Your ilk reduce the understanding of racial issues, and therefore tolerance also. Reflexive racism is perfectly natural. Suppression of it takes effort, and failures must be examined and corrected. If not, racial tolerance will always be a fleeting dream.

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OBAMA will bring trouble abroad??? Is this the same guy saying this as the man who grabbed a foreign official in said officials country and startled basically throttling him because he (McCain) didn't like what the man said? McCain has international incident written all over him! Hell, if the American media or even fellow REPUBLICANS say something McCain doesn't like, he turns into a tomato and explodes! What's more, McCain has said the Americans will stay in Iraq for 100 years if necessary, while the 'free and democratic Iraq' wants the US out sometime next year! Is that not an international problem? A problem abroad?

I think McCain is now just thinking of all his OWN problems and simply switching his name with Obama's.

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Interesting

Reflexive racism is perfectly natural. Suppression of it takes effort, and failures must be examined and corrected. If not, racial tolerance will always be a fleeting dream.

I pretty much tend to vote Republican and my views are a little right of center.

What is your reflexive action to that? Tolerance? Pot meet kettle.

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sarge: "McCain doesn't wear diapers. He probably does wear a jockstrap though, which Obama couldn't hold."

Wow... and you said the poster whom you were replying to posted an 'impudent question'! Your comment is not only off the wall, but if anyone couldn't hold up a 'jock-strap' (oh, and they stay on via bands, my friend, regardless of 'size', though I'm surprised I have to tell someone who's warn one that.... or wait...) between the two, it's Obama.... What does McCain have to wear one for? his only sport is freaking out at people who ask him questions he can't answer (just about everything).

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smith - "Your comment is not only off the wall"

Pffft! My comment is right on the money! You think it's off the wall because you hate McCain.

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JoeBigs:

Please the man has more handlers than a circus elephant.

Er, how many advisors does Obama have again? 300 or so?

Madverts:

Heh, Gordon Brown has appoval ratings even worse than Bush Co. And yes, amazingly, that's possible!

Yes, it is. Just ask the U.S. Senate. If you don't have the time, you don't have to ask the entire senate, you could just ask Pelosi.

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Obama has never said anything about appeasement.

In other words, he hasn't said he won't be an appeaser.

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The US senate is in the state it is after the Democrats won it back from the Repulicans disasterous reign.

Heh, but nice try at obfuscation, Wolfpack. It's better amusement than the Troll War that is currently affecting JT....

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The last thing this world needs is the most powerful nation on earth being lead by a pointy nosed elitist.

I'm not a big John McCain fan, but my oh my, he's looking more and more like the guy Americans will put their trust in.

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I pretty much tend to vote Republican and my views are a little right of center.

What is your reflexive action to that? Tolerance? Pot meet kettle.

See if you can find any posts of mine defending McCain.

I do have a problem with the typically Republican tendency to show solidarity in spite of everything along with a few other traits, but I do my best to remove reflexive reactions. What more can be expected? Is there some other Obama supporter here who has come to McCain's defense? Let it be known that I do have Republican friends, and I can keep them because I know when they have gotten into blind fighting mode and I know how to pull them back.

The trouble with a liberal position like giving credit where credit is due is that so many on the right will view that as a weakness and seek to exploit it, unless of course it is done by one of their own (solidarity over consistency/honesty, another trait common on the right that I do not like).

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VOR,

I think the last thing that this world needs is any nation acting as though it is the most powerful nation on earth.

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VOR,

Keep on with the typical baseless mud-slinging regarding Senator Obama. You'll have plenty of time to shreik and whine about him in a couple of months....

...heh.

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"I do have a problem with the typically Republican tendency to show solidarity in spite of everything along with a few other traits"

Heh, so which of you hardcore reups have a wide stance in the bathroom?

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From what Obama's said so far, I expect he'll be appeasing his butt off if he actually gets elected...

Kim Jong Il: You didn't take us off the terrorist list! We're gonna start up our nuke program again unless -

Obama: You're off the list!

Ahmadinejad: Die, infidel!

Obama: Can't we talk this over?

lol...

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Madverts - What about your baseless mud-slinging regarding McCain, Bush and the Republicans?

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"I do have a problem with the typically Republican tendency to show solidarity in spite of everything along with a few other traits"

Uhm, sarge, is that why they have suspended their de-commisioning of their nuclear program?

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Merde. The cut and paste went tits up there. Sorry, sarge:

"Kim Jong Il: You didn't take us off the terrorist list! We're gonna start up our nuke program again unless"

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Heh, if McCain gets in - which he won't so I'm just fantasizing here - he'll need to get someone - probably a 5-year-old will do - to teach him some basic math:

Continue war in Iraq for 100 years + attack Iran + don't revoke Bush's tax cuts = US economy is toast.

Heh, the only one who's going to invite trouble abroad is McCAin.

And, but there is at least some good news out there for John McCain - at least the Arizonians just love the guy:

"Arizonans are also proud of their political tradition, from Barry Goldwater to Mo Udall to Bruce Babbitt. There's a pattern here," Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano told delegates Tuesday as part of the chorus eviscerating McCain. Goldwater, Udall and Babbitt all sought the presidency; none succeeded.

"Speaking for myself, and for at least this coming election, this is one Arizona tradition I'd like to see continue," Napolitano said.

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madverts: actually I'm pretty calm and shrieking isn't in my nature. i have no allegiance to either party and quite frankly I find those that trust any politician or political party to be fools amongst men.

who wins matters little to me anyway. its not like these guys really affect how I live my life. The only adjustment i would have to make is a couple little adjustments to protect my assets and income from Obama's tax hikes. Tough problem to have but that's the price to pay for success.

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Sushi, this is just for you.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

The man was simply saying we should stay in Iraq for as long as it takes to accomplish, well, whatever unclearly defined goals he has. I personally don't agree, but running around shrieking wildly with words taken out of context is hardly constructive. He did not actually mean 100 years, and you know that. He cites the simple fact that our military has been in Japan 60 years in the video.

Please leave the silliness to the Republicans this election.

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That's funny - KnightsTemplar, wants to vote for McCain even though he knows McCain will have to raise taxes of the middle class, borrow more money off foreigners to pay for his 100 year war, get more good Americans killed for nothing in Iraq, and continue wrecking the US economy.

Heh, if that's American-style "patriotism", I don't want it :-)

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VOR,

If you're really in the tax bracket improved by tax cuts for the rich, what the hell are you doing here on JT?

Personally, I'd be on a caribean beach somwhere, with females of acceptable breeding age on each side holding my vodka Redbull's...

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Sean, agreed, but 10 years, 20 years, 100 years, it's all wrong.

Estimated costs just to get the US to the George Bush Iraq Retreat Date of Dec 2011 come in around $840 billion - that's all money America doesn't have - pretty whacked if you ask me.

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Seems like only me and Sarge are the voice of reason and moderation on this topic.

Obama is a walking disaster, our enemies are praying he wins. Too bad liberals, your man is a loser, McCain is capturing more voters daily.

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KnightsTemplar - "Seems like only me and Sarge are the voice of reason and moderation on this topic."

Sarge, no offence intended - has never been the voice of reason, and you have changed your handle name more times this week than most of us have had meals.

I think you are terrified that if you continue using the same handle name, people will quickly twig that the same unpatriotic poster is the one who continues to make fact-free posts.

Just a guess...

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KnightTemplar - "Seems like only me and Sarge are the voice of reason"

Heh, if that's the case, McCain, the candidate who kids himself daily he is "patriotic", is doomed :-)

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Sean, agreed, but 10 years, 20 years, 100 years, it's all wrong.

Estimated costs just to get the US to the George Bush Iraq Retreat Date of Dec 2011 come in around $840 billion - that's all money America doesn't have - pretty whacked if you ask me.

Agreed Sushi, and that is the kind of posts we need. Fair negatives about McCain are all good. Positives about Obama, though...I suppose I should post more of those myself. Its too easy to get sucked into the mudslinging match.

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Sean, it's sad that a mudslinging match is exactly what the McCain camp want becasue they know their man simply isn't up to the job of being president.

They want to talk about anything but the real issues, hence we've got to hear about:

Obama is 'unpatriotic' because he didn't wear a lapel pin. (What's not being debated: what about the nearly $6 TRILLION in debt GWB has racked up on his watch?)

Obama's pastor (What's not being debated: the ongoing astronomical cost of the Iraq war and how it's going to be paid for.)

(Remember the 2004 Republican slime machine attacks on John Kerry: "But did he really bleed?" - when their candidate Bush hadn't been within 10,00 miles of the battle zone?

etc.....it's straight out of the Karl Rove playbook and it stinks!

But as I said these tactics being employed by John McCain and his yes-men supporters are just what they need to keep the attention off the inability of their man to be president.

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Sean, I'm not sure about you but I find debating the Republicans on this board is like playing "Whack-A-Mole" with nukes - it's just too easy and impossible to miss the target :-)

They regularly contradict themselves and/or lay themselves wide open to charges of hypocrisy, double standards, lying, or usually all three :-)

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If I were a terrorist hiding in the Hindu Kush, I would be praying for an Obama/Biden victory. That should be enough for most people to see that voting McCain is the only sensible choice. He is a good man in a storm.

You are not a terrorist, so your point is rendered mute. The only recent US terror attack was on Bush's watch. Al Qaida doesn't attack every day, nor ever year. Up until 9/11, they staged their major attacks about once in every 5, 6 years. I'm guessing they will attack again once the new President is sworn in. It doesn't matter who becomes President, the only purpose of an Al Qaida attack is to weaken our hearts. Because we have lost faith in Bush, they have no need to attack us. Surely you can figure this out, right?

Obama is an empty suit in the same mold as John Edwards, minus the bastard child and blonde mistress. He seems to be a decent and intelligent man, but way out of his league. I wouldn't hire anyone for an important job if they had less than 2 years' experience. For president? Please.

Thank you for recycling the same old slogans that are just empty words with no weight. Obama has no experience? How so? Isn't he more "experienced" than Lincoln was before he became President?

Tell me, how many terrorist attacks have their been in the US since 9/11? THAT should tell you about how effective Bush has been.

Your posts tells me, I'm sorry, reaffirms the fact that many people are not thinking intelligently on such manners. Oh, well, I give up. Enjoy throwing around your hollow phrases. "No experience!" "Old!"

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"I really don't know what you are getting at"

It's easy.

Comical. Republican. Denial.

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McCain will come sprinting out towards the presidential win like a greyhound. Obama meanwhile will be walking shakily like the Duracell Bunny running out of power.

The only people abroad who like Obama are European communist sympathisers, who will convince him to turn the US into a socialist state.

Luckily us noraml folks can see the truth, we`ll be voting or McCain, our image overseas will remain intact.

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Heh, Michelle Obama alone could wipe out McCain in any speech match-up.

She can make one heck of a speech.

He just mucks up his words, turns bright red then abuses people - but hey - that's just the way John McCain is!

Obama '08

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It's now clear that the only people voting McCain will be unpatriotic Americans who want 4 more years of finish off the carnage caused by that other Republican George W. Bush.

4 more years of spiralling national debt 4 more years of wrecked international alliances 4 more years of good Americans being killed for nothing in Iraq 4 more years of high gas prices and higher taxes 4 more years of slashing valuable domestic programs

Heh, it's the John McCain Way.

(I just hope the old guy remembers to get out of his rocking chair and vote on election day - but will he remember which of his many houses he is in, or how to read his own name??)

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SushiSake3- FYI, McCain has all his faculties in good working order. Physically and mentally he is like a man half his age.

McCain was a world class pilot, a war hero, and a well loved statesman.

What can Obama offer, just speeches, and he needs autocue to do that, as does his wife.

McCain is a rock solid diplomat, experienced and humble,just the guy to follow in Bush`s footsteps.

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KnightTemplar - "FYI, McCain has all his faculties in good working order. Physically and mentally he is like a man half his age."

Except when he can't remember how many houses he's got (that's like forgetting how many heads you have :-), or when he's busy mixing up Sunnis or Shiites, and when he's adamant that Czeckoslovakia still exists even though even you know it split into two countries 13 years ago.

And, you're right - he is physically like a man half his age except when he's taking long weekends and long holidays because his old man body just can't keep up with the pace of ....well, a young man half his age.

But I agree with you - McCain was a world class pilot who crashed 5 (or was it 6?) planes, a war hero who sat out the war rotting in a POW camp and a well loved statesman who is vilified even by the Governor of his own state of Arizona.

As all patriotic Americans will agree - despite McCain's "war experience! (ha ha!), Obama will beat him every time when it comes to good judgement.

As you now know, more than 80% of Americans agree with Barack Obama that America is on the wrong track in Iraq.

And you are surely aware that President Bush has just this week dissed John McCain bigtime by subtly agreeing that Barack Obama's plan of withdrawing from Iraq is actually the best strategy for America.

Is anything going right for John McCain???

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KnightsTemplar - John McCain needs all the help he can get considering one of his many anti-American supporters - namely your fine self - just last night (under yet another handle name) adamantly asserted that Americans need to follow the US president, then in the next sentence you said that most Americans need to be ‘re-educated’ to understand that America ‘needs’ to stay in Iraq right after President Bush – the man you believe everyone needs to obey – has just signed an agreement to withdraw US forces from Iraq.

Heh, it's clear from logic like this that you don't even agree with yourself. Should I leave you now so that you can argue against yourself? :-)

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SushSake3- I strongly disagree with your post sir.

McCain is more trusted in the war on terror, a poll released by CNN stated today.

President Bush was actually being ironic in his busual subtle way, which obviously went over your head.

McCain was only to blame for 1 or 2 of his plane crashes. McCain and BUsh both served their countries honorably.

What did Obama do, go camping with the boy scouts? Hee Hee!

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McCain and BUsh both served their countries honorably.

You make Jay Leno look like a half rate comedian.

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"The American and Iraqi people must be educated as to our need to stay in Iraq, and to the fact that McCain must be our next president."

No, KnightsTemplar, it is clearly YOU who needs to be re-educated that the 80% of your patriotic countrymen and women know what is RIGHT for America and that is for America to exit Iraq as soon as possible.

Even your president, the man you said all Americans must obey, disagrees with you.

Aren't you geting a little confused???

"McCain is more trusted in the war on terror"

No, McCain is most trusted to guarantee that US national debt increases from the current near-$10 trillion to $20 trillion in the near term.

John's your man - he's The One who doesn't care how much America owes - as long as we're killing those damn terrorists in Iraq adn spending $20-30 billion a month to do it!!

"President Bush was actually being ironic in his busual subtle way, which obviously went over your head."

"Ironic," you mean by signing an agreement with the full weight of the US Government behind it, stating that US forces will leave Iraq by 2011?

Really, I'm just wondering why you don't support the majority of patriotic Americans who want their country to get out of Iraq.

You're clearly a PINO (Patriot in Name Only) :-)

I am a true patriot, who can vote for the only patriotic candidate, McCain.

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Sorry, the last line in my above post was left over from KnightsTemplar's last post

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John McCain just offers four more years of the same Bush-Cheney policies that have failed America.

That's why patriotic Americans will be voting for Obama.

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SushiSake3- Your last sentenec reveals your true feelings, a closet McCain supporter.

Nobody can re- educate me, i was thrown out of school early, as the socialist teachers claimed i was disruptive and unstable ,ridiculous.

Patriotic Americans want us to win the war on terror. Obama would pull out the troops , and hundreds of thousands of children and women would be massacred.

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KnightsTemplar - "Patriotic Americans want us to win the war on terror."

No, patriotic Americans want their men and women home from this failed Iraq war - that's why 80% of patriotic Americans want US forces out of Iraq.

And George Bush has just this week signed the George Bush Iraq Retreat agreement with the Iraqi government.

That's good for America and that's why 80% of patriotic Americans support it.

"Obama would pull out the troops, and hundreds of thousands of children and women would be massacred."

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have already been slaughtered because people like you believed George Bush and the Neocon's lies and were fooled into believing Iraq was a threat when it never was.

John McCain only wants to squander billions more of Americans' money and get more good Americans killed.

Calling John McCain a 'patriot' is like calling a Sunni a Shiite.

Oops, John McCain in his old age has already screwed up and made that mistake.....sorry, bad example.

Obama - The Patriotic American's Choice.

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Predictably McCain wants to make this election about who has the cajones to stare down OBL and the Russians. Many McCain supporters opined on this thread that Obama would shift funding to social programs. They conveniently ignored the fact GWB introduced the biggest entitlement program in decades, his prescription drug plan for seniors, the cost of which will be added to Uncle Sam's credit card issued by Bank of China.

I think it's a total travesty that the US taxpayer continues to foot the bill for Iraqi reconstruction when that government is now flush with oil revenues while our own infrastructures crumbles (like the bring in Minneapolis last year). Several years ago I flew from the new Kimpo Airport in Seoul to JFK in NYC which is a real dump. Antiquated equipment equals delayed flights in a bus depot type atmosphere. Dulles in not that much better and I try to avoid both of them.

The wealthier coastal parts of China offer residents a technologically state of the art lifestyle which is difficult to find in the USA (unless you're fabulously wealthy). It doesn't matter that the interior is still a third-world swamp; the next generation of Americans is going to be competing against their coastal Chinese counterparts for jobs in the global economy. We have to invest in their education, particularly since we're sticking them with the huge national debt.

The government also needs to invest in scientific research, as it's done in the past with, for example, the Manhattan Project. Today the NIH is constrained in its research by the political agenda of the religious right. So somebody else will make those discoveries which formerly would have been made by a member of the American scientific community. It's of some concern to techies I know that John McCain has never used the internet. Is he the right guy to invest in America, I don't think so....

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Gotta love mccain, nobody takes him serious and he spouts prapaganda patriotic rhetoric, just making himself look more and more like a fool.

Gotta be the most 1 sided election in us history.

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SushiSake3:

4 more years of spiralling national debt Heh, it's the John McCain Way.

That's just blatantly wrong. McCain has been a champion of cutting unnecessary spending from the national budget, while Obama proposes more and more. In fact, Obama proposed $740,000,000 in earmark spending alone, while McCain proposed $0. Plus, Obama has promised to spend more than an additional trillion dollars if he becomes president. Now which candidate looks better to reduce the national debt? Unless you're using Abstract Math, there's no way Obama could possibly reduce the debt.

I realize it's a standard-issue leftist talking point, but McCain is not GWB, especially when it comes to spending.

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Whitehawk - sorry pal, if McCain gets his way, we'll be looking at a good extra trillion or two just to fund his insane war policies.

Bush just earlier this year froze all non-essential spending on social preograms and in the process cut spending on programs for the poor, homeless, job training, you name it.

Is that what you want?

Bush - and now McCain wants to spend money that was going to Americans on weapons and Iraqis.

Do you think that is a good idea?

I stand by my claim.

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Crusades ( 4:16 AM ) - "Gotta love mccain, nobody takes him serious(ly)"

That must be why McCain, despite his age and his ties to the unpopular Bush, is running even in the pols with Obama. Heh.

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FarmBoy- What is wrong with things now.

2 liberated countries , a booming economy, low infaltion, low unemployment more millionaires. What is wrong with thing now? Nothing, things are great.

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SushiSake3:

Whitehawk - sorry pal, if McCain gets his way, we'll be looking at a good extra trillion or two just to fund his insane war policies.

Really? Have his "trillion or two" policy handy, do you? Can I see it?

Bush just earlier this year froze all non-essential spending on social preograms and in the process cut spending on programs for the poor, homeless, job training, you name it. Is that what you want?

Yes. There are only so many in this country who actually need social programs (cannot physically or mentally support themselves), the only "disabilities" the rest have are a lack of work ethic and/or an inflated sense of entitlement. The latter overburden the system and prevent the former from getting all the help they need.

Obama, to contrast, has just one bill he's co-sponsored that will send an additional $840,000,000,000 to nations noted for corrupt governments that keep their populace poor. That's just one bill.

Stand by your claim all you want, but it is unsubstantiated.

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kimigano; A very disrespectfull view of the majority of Americans. We voted for Bush twice and we will soon vote for McCain.

The Republicans are the party of peace and caring. Obama would destroy our reputation overseas, and allow America to the new fron tin the war on terror.

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We voted for Bush twice and we will soon vote for McCain.

Because most Americans believe what we rich tell them. Most of them obey. They will obey again in 2008.

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Kimigano; americans do not obey. They have not had 1 party in almost constant power for the last 60 years, have they?

Obama will appease the terrorists. McCain will obliterate them,and make the world safe.

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They have not had 1 party in almost constant power for the last 60 years, have they?

yes they have. Corporations.

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Obama will appease the terrorists. McCain will obliterate them,and make the world safe.

This is 100% true. Obama is not only a terrorist himself, but a muslim. This should disqualify him from leading the nation founded by Jesus Christ.

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I am also rich, and I am tired of the poor destroying America with their vote. Every election of a democRAT shows what damage the poor in America can do. They are in the majority because poverty is caused by laziness and immorality. Most humans fall victim to at least one of these two and cannot get out. The rich are above both, we transcended them by birth.

America needs to give more strongly weighted votes to those of us with a net worth above $100 million.

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Obama would destroy tha nation, he would pander to European socialists and other lowlifes. Go McCain, decent folks know you ar the guy.

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Bilderberg666,

I am agreeing with you. Why the hostility?

Obama is useless. He will drown America.

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kimigano; people can quite easily be analysed and judged by reading their history on JT.

I look forward to McCain bringing more peace to the world and securing the homeland.

Hopefully more successfull liberations are on th cards.

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What a joke. What a very bad joke.

Its a terrible joke that the Republicans laughingly run on their foreign policy track record.

They have none.

C'mon Republicans, step up. Stand up and deliver.

Name one, one successful foreign policy anything accomplished in the past seven years.

I dare you.

I double dare you.

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kimigano- Sorry must eb too tired today, getting confused with sleepiness.

Obama is insane, look at his past friends his reverend for 1. America cannot trust this guy and other countries will not either.

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Name one, one successful foreign policy anything accomplished in the past seven years.

We killed Saddam.

We put pressure on the Ukraine with the most recent election.

We put money in the pockets of our rich with a secret backing of Chavez.

We killed Bin Laden (not announced publicly).

We got Somalia to export oil to us cheaper than international fuel prices. In return, our Navy (God's Navy) lets them pirate a ship or two here or there.

We have helped the Russians slap down the insane Georgian land grab.

We got Milosivic.

We had Carlos Montyana, the communist leader of the banana growers union die in order to ensure cheap bananas for Americans...

and on and on...

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ridsr.. And I was wondering where foreigners get the impression of Americans being arrogant..

Too bad they have to run into people such as…. Instead of common everyday people such as myself that are not handed everything on a silver platter and also have worked for a living all my life, maybe not to be rich as you like to acknowledge but have been able to secure the funds to pursue most of my dreams, but one thing for sure, I feel I am lucky and I appreciate the chance to do so and have had alot of family support as for help backing my goals as well. Not all have these opportunities at their disposal, and I am certain those that do, hoard their little gold pile like a cat with a mouse, and forget the needy and forget charities as their riches come and are kept because of self indulgence and greed! I do know a few that will expect waiters and waitresses to kiss their butts and then leave them a dollar as appreciation or if in a crowd take the other extreme and flash cash as to proclaim their worth. For some reason I feel I am describing the arrogance many see as being American and also reflects as I feel here from you! Hey it is your life but do not down grade the rest of us.

And believe me everyone.. not all Americans share in ridsr's view or believe in those beliefs. The majority of people are down to earth everyday people that appreciate where they have come from wether from wealth or from poverty, one thing for certian, those that have fought to gain status appreciate it much more and do not down grade those that are not able to get as far as which the majority of people wish to do.

One last remark.. It takes all kinds...

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