McCain TV ad accuses Obama of shifting views on Iraq for political gain

Hell if I was Barack Obama I'd be thanking Gen. Petraeus, also.

george bush started this insane war, he made decisions dreamed up results that couldn't be met. Year after year we got more bogged down by george bush's main men, donsld rumpsfeld and dick cheney. One having no military experience and the other with his head up his butt.

Gen. Petraeus has done an execellent job and should definately be commended for the results in Iraq.

Yep, I'd imagine Barack will thank the General. < :-)

LOL! I nearly fell out of my seat when I read this.

Sheer hypocrisy coming from an old guy who has flip-flopped on bush's tax cuts, then flip-flopped again on the drilling.

One of McCain's myriad of problems is he is focusing too narrowly on Iraq and missing wider issues - issues has clearly stated he will focus on.

Sometimes I think Sen. McCain is his own worst enemy...

"My opponent was wrong about Iraq. He was dead wrong! He was repeatedly wrong!

"And now, when things are going so well, when we are on the cusp of transforming Iraq back into its biblical Babylonian resplendence, my opponent wants to shift his position. He wants to calibrate. He wants to 'fine tune'.

"My opponent wants to win this election and does not have the moral fiber to stay wrong! Vote for me. You can count on me to stay wrong."

an old guy who has flip-flopped" Show me a politician who doesn't flop on issues, and I'll treat you to a night in any of the clubs Akasaka!

Still, let's look at things a bit differently. Compared to the Hillary campaign, McC and O are running a pretty clean campaign.

Don't forget, McC is still going to be in the government.

Skip - "Show me a politician who doesn't flop on issues,"

of course you are dead right, but the idea of one flip-flopping politician accusing another of the same thing is just ridiculous.

Sen. McCain's advisors must be on holiday..

Heh, talking about Sen McCain's advisors, his campaign co-chairman Phil Gramm just quit.

Wheels are falling off McCain's campaign.

Yo Sushi, why are so concentrated on McC's campaign. You have faith he isn't going to win anyway, so why the fuss?

Are people laboring under the delusion that "sticking to your guns" is somehow inherently better than "changing with the situation"?

And no, before you anti-Obama goons jump to completely unreasonable conclusions, I do NOT mean being wishy washy. Tenacity is a virtue. Stubborn refusal to face reality just because you had a different opinion earlier is not.

God. I used to count myself among the members of the Right. WTF happened to them??!?!

I'm glad McCain flip-flopped on "immigration".

USAR

USARonin - "it's not in the West's best interest to invade Pakistan as he wants to do..."

Stop making stuff up, mate. Obama never said he "wanted" to invade Pakistan and you know it.

Cheap shots like that will get you nowhere.

Skip - "Yo Sushi, why are so concentrated on McC's campaign. You have faith he isn't going to win anyway, so why the fuss?"

It's the sheer entertainment value - it's priceless watching the McCain supporters floundering to pretend to support someone who they would never have chosen in a million years. I'm lovin' it, aren't you? :-)

Obama never said he wanted to invade Pakistan, but he did say he was willing to unilaterally bomb insurgent bases in Pakistan, which is technically a violation of a nation's sovereignty.

SS3, ya mean like how The Left viciously turned on Hillary and Bill?

I see. Now that's sheer entertainment.

USAR

USARonin - "SS3, ya mean like how The Left viciously turned on Hillary and Bill?"

ha ha, you mean like how your idol bush buried your current idol McCain in 2000? That was pure Hollywood.

ROT, yes, he did.

Headline: "Obama willing to invade Pakistan in al-Qaeda hunt"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2182955.ece

USAR

SS3, that must've been some funeral you hosted 'cause I don't even remember it. Maybe you were servin' alkyhol or some might powerful weed. "Bush" was my man back then, not McCain.

Mitt Romeny would've probably been my choice over McCain but now I have to go with McCain.

Didja think because I didn't get my way on Romney I was gonna go bezerk and vote for Barak Hussein Obama?

Bwahahahaha...

USAR

Invade implies that one seeks to take over the country or treat the country with hostility, it's poorly worded. Obama simply wants to bomb and neutralize terrorist bases along the border. He has no intention of harming the Pakistani people/gov't.

"Mitt Romeny would've probably been my choice over McCain but now I have to go with McCain."

Mitt? Whatever happened to Mitt? He's now trying to grovel back into the limelight and hitch a ride on McCain's breaking down bus.

"Didja think because I didn't get my way on Romney I was gonna go bezerk and vote for Barak Hussein Obama?"

ha ha! It's crazy how you mention Obama's middle name as if you think some JT posters are stupid enough to think he isn't American.

The only ones going bezerk are the McCain supporters who can see that their man isn't going to do very well, poorly in fact.

Q: have you ever actually "supported" McCain, or do you do nothing but attack Obama?

What are your real colors?

ROT, it's your take on this versus the Pakistani governement and people, and most people in the US and around the world's take on it.

I guess you could offer the flies and poop theory.

USAR

Got to say one of the funniest things I've seen on JT in years are the posters who have actually convinced themselves that Sen. McCain is a serious candidate for president, ha ha ha ha ha!!! :-)

SS3, as of this time I'm hopin' Mister Romney will be selected as McCain's Number Two.

SS3, didja know Barak Hussein Obama believes there are 57 American states when everyone knows there are really fifty-two?

Heh, heh...

USAR

Only people seeking to discredit Obama agree with your interpretation. I'm not really an Obama supporter myself, but the people who claim he was somehow trying to occupy Pakistan are taking cheap shots by misinterpreting his words for political gain. He only wants to stop the terrorists who hide out along the border.

"Got to say one of the funniest things I've seen on JT in years are the posters who have actually convinced themselves that Sen. McCain is a serious candidate for president..."

SS3, and who would you have the Republican Party put up?

Barak Hussein Obama?

I see.

USAR

Heh, USAR, did you know that your man McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shiites?

Or that he thinks Czechoslovakia still exists even though it hasn't since January 1, 1993?

John McCain doesn't know this. But he is running for president on the "strength" of his foreign policy credentials.

And why is your man McCain still preaching that he'll revive Detroit when even Detroit knows full well Detroit can't be revived???

C'mon USAR, you're not REALLY serious about McCain, are you?

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ROT, if I wanted to "discredit" Barak Hussein Obama, I'd bring up that he's only served 143 days of active government service, so I won't do that.

Dame.

USAR

Oh my... somewhat stating something for POLITICAL GAIN?? Sweet lord in heaven! My guess is McCain launched this ad for... ummm... political gain.

Anyway, aside from the obvious reason for doing something in politics, McCain isn't one to criticize another for flip-flopping; the election hasn't even begun and he's flip-flopped almost more times than bush.

if I wanted to "discredit" Barak Hussein Obama, I'd bring up that he's only served 143 days of active government service, so I won't do that.

As opposed to passive government service? Dang, eight years in the Illinois state legislature should count for somethin'.....

The problem for John McCain is that despite his lengthy government service, he's been spectacularly wrong about the situation on the ground in Iraq at every turn:

“It’s clear that the end is very much in sight.” [ABC, 4/9/03]

“There’s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along.” [MSNBC, 4/23/03]

“This is a mission accomplished. They know how much influence Saddam Hussein had on the Iraqi people, how much more difficult it made to get their cooperation.” [This Week, ABC, 12/14/03]

“I do think that progress is being made in a lot of Iraq. Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course. If I thought we weren’t making progress, I’d be despondent.” [The Hill, 12/8/05]

No, ZeeBee, I've got the right entity.

USAR

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This is weak campaigning by McCain. Has the man no substance?

I'd bring up that he's only served 143 days of active government service, so I won't do that.

Yeah you just did. But even if documented, and you didn't, it pales in comparison's to GWB's record of active duty. I mean he wrote in his application to join the Texas National Air Guard: "I have applied for pilot training with the goal of making flying a lifetime pursuit..." After expensive training paid for by Uncle Sam, he sure bagged flying pretty quick didn't he?

He went in to stay out. McCain, by contrast, saw combat and this is presented a qualification for the presidency. Yet what lesson did he draw? "We lost in Vietnam because we lost the will to fight, because we did not understand the nature of the war we were fighting, and because we limited the tools at our disposal."

In fact very few historians would find themselves in agreement with the Senator here, who has suggested on more than one occasion that an even more destructive bombing campaign, with an unknown but likely high loss of civilian life, would have led to an American victory.

No wonder he's been wrong about Iraq at every turn....

I can't wait to see how John McCain spins this "time horizan".

But as for Obama's flip-flopping on his stance, every word that he speaks is disected, reask, reask-change 1 word, back to the original questional. Then John McCain and his staff spin it anyway they can.

John McCain goes to Iraq because he likes war. He likes to be surrounded by soldiers and officers. Hell a hundred soldiers, three helicopters and multiple vehicles; John McCain loves it. < :-)

"John McCain goes to Iraq because he likes war."

Barak Hussein Obama is scheduled to go to Iraq either this month or next. Now how're gone spin that one?

Idea: Barak Hussein Obama is goin' to Iraq because he doesn't like war.

That should do it, eh?

USAR

Nah, Barack Obama knows he has to get more foreign experience and more contact with foreign leaders. < :-)

It's not only Iraq that Obama has flip-flopped. He's flip-flopped on campaign finance reform, he's flip-flopped on gun control, he's flip-flopped on late-term abortions, he's flip-flopped on capital punishment, he's flip-flopped on the Patriot Act, he's flip-flopped on the Trinity United Church, he's flip-flop on wearing a flag pin....and that's just in the last couple of months. Whew!

Going to beal the deal maker or deal breaker to a huge chunk of sensible center if he's really got what it takes to be President. If he doesn't come back from this trip and proclaim the he was wrong about the surge then he is not going to seal the deal as to why I should vote for him and not McCain. If he does come back and changes his proposed Iraq policy to a mission that builds on what the surge has done instead of the one he now proposes. The one that has the danger of reversing those gains by a rigid timeline instead of being guided by the events on the ground to make the right decisions as to moving forward with the ultimate goal of a free and stable Iraq able to stand on her own.

If he does change his policy, he would at least show to me that he isn't a 'flip-flopper' but a real leader that can take the tough calls and admit he is wrong when he has to.

Will he be a leader and acknowledge that the surge is working? Or, will he mealy-mounth the words and pander to the far left base of party to keep their support?

What he says after talking to General Petreaus and Ambassador Crocker is going to be very interesting, very interesting indeed. Time to step up to plate Obama and show this poster at least what your really made of as far as decisions your going to make as Commander and Chief.

Heh, we're back to "Hussein".

D-e-s-p-e-r-a-t-i-o-n.

John McCain makes his trips to Iraq and walks down streets surrounded by 100 solders, 3 helicopters more camaras then you can shake a stick at.

The media has made this a circus. Not Barack Obama. < :-)

Would you call for John McCain to walk around Afghanistan with no escorts, flak vest, imbedded global locator chip? Or dop you just suggest this for Barack out of republican hate?

Again, do you call for John McCain....? You read it above. < :-)

Obama hasn't been officially nominated yet. The Democrats may yet wise up and dump him at the convention. But probably not. Hee hee!

"McCain goes to Iraq because he likes war."

And Obama goes to Iraq because...?

Some very strange posts here, I wonder how is some one is suppose to find out the situation where his troops are unless he goes? To spin this in any other light than a future Commander and Chief going to visit his troops would be an insult to the office of the President.

Funny thing is I wonder how ole fighting Mc and his spin machine would spin this if Obama did not go?

Desperation will come soon enough, you will know when ole Mc gets desperate when he starts throwing the mud.........

Matter of time........

I am getting my rice crackers ready.......

And why is your man McCain still preaching that he'll revive Detroit when even Detroit knows full well Detroit can't be revived???

Actually, with the exception of the fuel problem that's affecting most car companies, the Detroit companies are doing okay. They've increased quality and fuel economy, though there is still a lot of room for improvement.

Both candidates have changed their positions on a variety of issues. And both candidates have been on the wrong side of a variety of issues. I really don't see where anyone thinks they have an advantage.

McCain should actually consider himself lucky the press is trailing Obama, otherwise someone might notice his own shifting views. For example:

In February Mr. McCain said he would balance the federal budget by the end of his first term even while extending the gargantuan Bush tax cuts. In April he said he’d accomplish this by the end of his second term. In July he’s again saying he’ll do it in his first term. Why not just say he’ll do it on Inauguration Day? It really doesn’t matter since he’s never supplied real numbers that would give this promise even a patina of credibility.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/opinion/20rich.html?hp

"I really don't see where anyone thinks they have an advantage."

It really doesn't matter when the "politics" have got this petty.

If you look at it from "pull out of Iraq in 16 months" to the most recent pronouncements then Obama is definately flopping around like a fish out of water. Which is to be expected from any politician - as Betzee pointed out. It's funny to think that anybody takes this guy seriously.