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Isn't "whip Obama's you-know-what" borderline racist? He could have chosen a better word than "whip". Oh well, I guess when you are down, you may as well play for the bigot vote.

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This choice of words will go down well with the white pointy-hat-and-bedsheet brigade. Then again, it might just be McCain finding his homoerotic self. Wonder which of Obama's appendages his is hoping to whip, his hand? Imagine how that message would play with the bible-bashing, arab-hating dellusionals of the far right.

Actually, given Palin's reputation as a failed parent, pregnant kids and all that, why is McCain still being supported by the Christian extremists? Anyone care to comment?

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Norinpinhead:

" Isn't "whip Obama's you-know-what" borderline racist? "

Any criticism of Obama is racist, don´t you know that, by now? Nothing less than absolute devotion and flattery for the messiah is permitted.

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Actually, given Palin's reputation as a failed parent, pregnant kids and all that, why is McCain still being supported by the Christian extremists? Anyone care to comment?

Actually given Obama's record a somewhat of a centrist that Jessie Jackson wants to castrate for not being radical enough, why is Obama still being supported by left wing Kos moonbats? Anyone care to comment.

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McCain couldn't even whip an egg without getting it all over his face.

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"Isn't "whip Obama's you-know-what" borderline racist?"

Do "liberals" ever really grow up?

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timorborder,

I don't think Palin has a reputation as a failed parent. Her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. This could happen in any family with a teenage daughter who is not fitted with a chastity belt and chained to the bed. It's awfully hard to resist biology and there's a reason for that.

I think Palin gets more points from the religious right for seeing to it that her daughter does not have an abortion than she loses from the fact of her pregnancy. That might be why the religious right still supports McCain to the extent it does--whatever extent that may be.

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coulrophobic,

You could ask the same question of conservatives. There's nonsense enough to go around.

I don't see how "whip his you-know-what" is even borderline racist. But then I'm a supporter of Barrack H. Obama and I know what the H stands for.

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SezWho:

" I don't see how "whip his you-know-what" is even borderline racist. "

It is, when directed at the Messiah. Get with the program!

" But then I'm a supporter of Barrack H. Obama "

Good for you. You join Raila Odinga, Louis Farrakhan, Fidel Castro, Bill ("education is revolution") Ayers, Hamas, Acorn, Madonna, and Britney Spears in that endorsement. Enjoy the company.

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Hopefully, Mr. McCain will make That One finally have to answer a question straight on and not back peddle on everything and blame Mr. Bush.

Every question he is asked, obama answers with blaming Mr. Bush first, comparing the President Bush to Mr. McCain, speaking of hope and then saying nothing about the original question.

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Mr. McCain needs to get more little aggressive and start asking questions like the issue of obama's birth certificate. The courts have given obama until Wednesday to produce an original U.S. certificate. I doubt he won't be able to or it will be yet another fake one. So far, the fake count is up to three.

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I don't find McCain's use of the word "whip" as one bit racist. I believe he has not used Rev. Wright because he doesn't want to go down that road. I say that meaning "so far" at least. I commend him on that. On the other hand I believe that Obama is not a racist and has not played the race card one bit.

I believe those on these threads who are saying that any criticism they have of him will be viewed as racist are clearly playing the race card. Look how many times they have repeated that and how it is not evident by the comments posted.

I am not criticizing those who question McCain's use of the word "whip" because I know the word has historical significance. I do however recall having used the phrase "I'll whip your ass" many times as a saying in my youth and possibly a few times in the last decade, rarely, in reference to sports or political contests.

So I give the benefit of the doubt to McCain and those who questioned his term. But there are posters on this thread who have said over and over again about how criticism of Obama will always be construed as racism. It is just not true.

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"Every question he is asked, obama answers with blaming Mr. Bush first, comparing the President Bush to Mr. McCain, speaking of hope and then saying nothing about the original question" ...this is extremely negative campaign and highly effective tactic. Obama ties McCain to Bush tightly because he knows that Bush is a sinking heavy weight,so McCain will sink with him. It is negative but because media loves it so much nobody cares. Media only cares if McCain has bad mouth to Obama!

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Deadmeat McCain is wasting his time - there's been lots of hype that his campaign team was working on a new economic plan to present to voters, but like his campaign, that collapsed on Sunday night, apparently due to “internal confusion” about the matter.

The news dismayed McCain supporters and surrogates, who had thought the fresh policy would help him gain traction on the campaign’s most vital issue, and dilute the impression that he was relying solely on attacks in the home stretch.

On ABC’s “This Week,” Washington Post national political correspondent Dan Balz had expressed skepticism that a new McCain plan would be a cure-all.

“He came out with a plan in the last debate — people almost missed it,” Balz told host George Stephanopoulos during the program’s roundtable. “He didn't explain it adequately. I think we're beyond the point in the campaign or one candidate can come out with a proposal that's going the affect voters. I think this crisis has fundamentally changed the election. It broke this open in a way that it hadn't up until now.”

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RomeoRamen - "Every question he is asked, obama answers with blaming Mr. Bush first, comparing the President Bush to Mr. McCain, speaking of hope and then saying nothing about the original question."

The words of a voter who has nothing to offer and no new ideas - just like john mccain.
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coulrophobic,

Any criticism directed at obama is racist. Get with the program. Tee hee.

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Its funny to see the right wing nut jobs get so unhinged over Obama's obviously out-classing, out-thinking, and out-debating their tired "war hero" who has demonstrated zero honor. Especially fun are the recent video captures of the GOP "core" constituents spluttering gems like: "Ah aint votin' fer no obama....he's a A-rab!" They should just come out of their KKKlosets and admit what you really object to.

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Didn't Jimmy Carter say he was gonna whip Ted Kennedy's you-know-what in 1976?

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Sarge, Arsenal Hall said the same thing about Jay Leno. ;-)

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Look - By the end of the Dem primaries the only post WW2 Democrat elected to two terms as president and the only female Dem ever chosen for VP both found themselves accused of being 'racist'.

Fortunately, most sensible people believe the charge has lost most of its impact and recognize it is most often an attempt to end discussion; i.e. a racist is what you reflexively call someone (even a fellow 'liberal') who is more conservative than you or whose opinions you disagree with.

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Probably a strategic comment to divert from her shortcomings as candidate to bogus culture-war posturing.

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and took a break from debate preparations to walk around a neighborhood in the town of Holland, near Toledo, to tlak to voeters.

Comment: I do hope he will tlak to all the voeters.

As for McCain, this sounds like junior-high school level talk. "Whip Obama's 'you know what'"? I mean puhleeze! He's running for president...can't he work on sounding a bit more presidential?

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most sensible people

There is your problem. There is not one shred of evidence to say this, and enourmous recent evidence directly against it based on the tenor of the recent mcsame rallies - shrieks of "bomb him, kill obama" from the fun rabid redneck types in attendance. When they say "I dont want no A-rab" - its just a euphemisic tool handed to them by the mcsame/palin dirty campaign marketers to make it slightly more palatable for them to reject someone based on color of skin. mcsame is using deeply divisional tactics and leveraging persistant racist ideas among the less educated masses. He demonstrate absolutely zero honor by doing so, and shows himslef utterly unfit to lead a boy scout troop, nevermind a country.

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"Especially fun are the recent video captures of the GOP "core" constituents spluttering gems like: "Ah aint votin' fer no obama....he's a A-rab!" They should just come out of their KKKlosets and admit what you really object to."

I doubt the Klan (which was always overwhelmingly Democrat - old Senator Robert Byrd will tell ya) has or ever had much of a following up in Minnesota, where that one 'video capture' was made.

No, my guess is a lot of the fear is born of the still lingering shock of that indelible image of Obama's pastor of 20 years, his "spiritual adviser" and mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Those 'video captures' where he is at his pulpit and shrieking "G_d Damn America! It's in the Bible!" still get a lot of play.

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McCain is already talking like a loser. "Whip his you know what"-- my rosy reds.

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"enourmous recent evidence directly against it based on the tenor of the recent mcsame rallies - shrieks of "bomb him, kill obama" from the fun rabid redneck types in attendance."

Enormous?

Compared to what?

We have movies, books, plays and songs simulating or imagining or even calling for the death or assassination of George Bush.

And still the media make it all seem a one way phenomenon.

You want to see unhinged?

http://michellemalkin.com/

October 12 2008 Look Who's Gripped By Insane Rage

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No, my guess is a lot of the fear is born of the still lingering shock of that indelible image of Obama's pastor of 20 years, his "spiritual adviser" and mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Those 'video captures' where he is at his pulpit and shrieking "G_d Damn America! It's in the Bible!" still get a lot of play.

And what about professor palins connections to the alaska independence party and her attempts to put to looniest of them, Steve Stoll (AKA "Black Helicopter Steve") into her vacated city council seat? And her addressing the 2008 AIP meeting? Talk about extremists....

GOP: The party that wrecked America. Spread the meme!

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BTW: a great synopsis of Palins wacky gun nut seccesionist connections here: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Makes that pastor wright contrived non-issue look like a day in the park.....

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Yes I agree Michelle Malkin is very unhinged. Isnt she the one who argued the positive points of US internment in concentration camps of US citizens with Japanese heritage in the 1940s?

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And what about professor palins connections to the alaska independence party and her attempts to put to looniest of them, Steve Stoll (AKA "Black Helicopter Steve") into her vacated city council seat? And her addressing the 2008 AIP meeting? Talk about extremists....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

Next?

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"And what about professor palins connections to the alaska independence party"

Oh, I'd say zero effect on registered Republicans.

But I imagine she looks even more attractive to Libertarians.

If she wants independence from the rest of us why is she so eager to offer the country all of Alaska's oil?

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From Factcheck via Sailwind: She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party,

No, her husband was. That was Leit's claim: connections to the alaska independence party. Unless you think she's not connected to her husband. Leit's claim again, still not debunked here:

And what about professor palins connections to the alaska independence party and her attempts to put to looniest of them, Steve Stoll (AKA "Black Helicopter Steve") into her vacated city council seat?

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"Yes I agree Michelle Malkin is very unhinged. Isnt she the one who argued the positive points of US internment in concentration camps of US citizens with Japanese heritage in the 1940s?"

Did she argue for them as effectively as did the Democratic administration which made them legal and made them real?

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She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party

I dont say she was a member. The salon article does not say it either - it just illustrates how she rubbed shoulders with virulent AIP racists and gun nut seccesionists to further her own tawdry ambitions.

Next?

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Did she argue for them as effectively as did the Democratic administration which made them legal and made them real?

Dont know, and dont particularly care in 2008. If I were a democrat voter and this were the 1940s, it might be something to consider. Typical change of subject from mcsame/palins obvious shortcomings.

GOP: The party that wrecked America. Spread the meme!

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You have to chuckle watching an obviously anti-American crowd here trying to get worked up about Sarah Palin's supposed links to a miniscule fringe party that has a lot of tough talk about secession or independence when nothing would make these Europeans or Canadians happier than seeing America diminished.

For the record - you can meet a lot of people on the West Coast who grumble about breaking away.

Hawaii also has a pretty big independence movement.

It doesn't excite the way you imagine or hope it does.

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You have to chuckle watching an obviously anti-American crowd here

Funny how, when their feeble arguements are exposed for the BS that it is, the GOP supporters always grasp for the patriotism card. This is a debate gambit that was pioneered in the 1930s in germany.

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RomeoRamen writes: "Mr. McCain needs to get more little aggressive and start asking questions like the issue of obama's birth certificate."

Wondering how McCain will do that without making himself look as foolish as the doubters do here.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

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It doesn't excite the way you imagine or hope it does.

LOL....its more interesting than rev wright saying goddamn america....."wahhhhhh...the scary man said bad words about my country and i heard a sound bite of it out of context so now i am afraid of obama being some sort of a domestic terrorist....wahhhh" Can the GOP core be any more brittle?

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I wonder why Obama insists he had nothing to do with ACORN when in fact he did...

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leitmotiv - Notice I said you have to chuckle.

I genuinely enjoy reading the absurd picture of America that guys like you and sushi sake and timorborder have.

It also amuses me how you guys can live in a country and culture as utterly and wonderfully alien as Japan and obviously spend soooo much time obsessing about the United States of America or the fortunes of the miniscule Alaskan Independence Party (!).

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RomeoRamen writes: "Mr. McCain needs to get more little aggressive and start asking questions like the issue of obama's birth certificate."

Exactly ....tell us romeoramen....what exactly do you think is being "hidden" here? I would think you would be more interested to see john mcsames medical records

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He can't whip Obama. The mcCain dude is too old, his brain don' work fast enough to beat Obama. Obama is genius, who is gonna help us poor folks. I won't have to live in a leaky old trailer anymore, because the government gives all the money to rich guys.

Obama will look after me, and i can live in a better trailer and get a big TV. McCain can't give me nothing, he is too old to do anything.

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Funny how, when their feeble arguements are exposed for the BS that it is, the GOP supporters always grasp for the patriotism card. This is a debate gambit that was pioneered in the 1930s in germany.

Nah, the Nazi's pioneered the debate technique of projecting all of Germany's ills on a specific group of people the eternal jew. They stereotyped them as just somewhat beneath all utter contempt.

Almost as bad as some of the gems you used here to describe your so called typical Republican.

Especially fun are the recent video captures of the GOP "core" constituents spluttering gems like: "Ah aint votin' fer no obama....he's a A-rab!"

There is not one shred of evidence to say this, and enourmous recent evidence directly against it based on the tenor of the recent mcsame rallies - shrieks of "bomb him, kill obama" from the fun rabid redneck types in attendance.

racists and gun nut seccesionists to further her own tawdry ambitions.

Pot meet Kettle

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there's been lots of hype that his campaign team was working on a new economic plan to present to voters, but like his campaign, that collapsed on Sunday night, apparently due to “internal confusion” about the matter.

Not sure how much that would even help him. The Economist recently conducted an extensive survey of over 600 economists and, as they tell it: "As the financial crisis pushes the economy back to the top of voters’ concerns, Barack Obama is starting to open up a clear lead over John McCain in the opinion polls. But among those who study economics for a living, Mr Obama’s lead is much more commanding."

Another quote: "Eighty per cent of respondents and no fewer than 71% of those who do not cleave to either main party say Mr Obama has a better grasp of economics. Even among Republicans Mr Obama has the edge: 46% versus 23% say Mr Obama has the better grasp of the subject. “I take McCain’s word on this one,” comments James Harrigan at the University of Virginia, a reference to Mr McCain’s infamous confession that he does not know as much about economics as he should."

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leitmotiv:

" I dont say she was a member. The salon article does not say it either - it just illustrates how she rubbed shoulders with virulent AIP racists and gun nut seccesionists to further her own tawdry ambitions. "

Obama was a member of of the socialist party ("new party") and still rubs shoulders with racist radicals, islamists, and unrepentent terrorists. Your point?

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"Wondering how McCain will do that without making himself look as foolish as the doubters do here."

The NY Times saw fit to question McCain's eligibility for POTUS.

He produced the vault copy of his birth certificate.

We constantly read of how poorly he did at the academy.

Why won't Barack Obama release the vault copy of his birth certificate, his grades and transcripts and his medical records?

Come on, "fight the smears."

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Almost as bad as some of the gems you used here to describe your so called typical Republican.

Please....you should just do some google and youtube searching if you still dont understand the vicious tenor at these rallys. You think I'm just fabricating?

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"But among those who study economics for a living, Mr Obama’s lead is much more commanding."

There are those who study it and those who have to study it and make the hard choices of how to act on the info.

"Chief Executive magazine’s most recent polling of 751 CEOs shows that GOP presidential candidate John McCain is the preferred choice for CEOs. According to the poll, which is featured on the cover of Chief Executive’s most recent issue, by a four-to-one margin, CEOs support Senator John McCain over Senator Barack Obama. Moreover, 74 percent of the executives say they fear that an Obama presidency would be disastrous for the country. "

http://newsbusters.org/node/25081/print

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Chief Executive magazine’s most recent polling of 751 CEO...

Oh please.....and we all know that CEOs are the most important segment of US society who's wishes should be catered to for the good of the whole US....sheesh. Delusional.

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I wonder why Obama insists he had nothing to do with ACORN when in fact he did...

Just in case ACORN comes up in the debates:

C-Span held an pretty extensive QandA session with ACORN's chief organizing director, Bertha Lewis, yesterday. She was questioned by two writers, David Mark, The Politico's Senior Editor, and Chris Good, Online Reporter for The Hill.

At the conclusion, the two writers both agreed that Ms. Lewis answered their concerns very well. The thing that stood out was the lies and misinformation regarding ACORN, including the fact that Obama was never a member but, as a community organizer, had been invited to a local chapter as a speaker. (Has Obama ever denied that?)

Lots of questions pertained to the phony voter registration forms that some ACORN chapters had turned in. Lewis responded that, in fact, ACORN had alerted the election officials about their own concerns with some of the forms, but also that ACORN was not in a legal position to discard a registration form themselves. The actual number of improper forms was found to be less than 1 percent out of over a million new registrations.

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WilliB,

I don't know any of the folks you have mentioned, but I do enjoy the company of folks I know who support Obama. I guess, and I hope, that the same is true for you--that you honestly enjoy the company of those who are like minded even though assorted kooks and political extremists also support your guy, whoever he is.

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ACORN is such a non-issue....its just being misrepresented and distorted and trumpeted by oreilly and limbaugh and the other GOP hotair machines. There was even an attempt to blame the wallstreet credit debacle on them as if they were somehow a singlar force that armtwisted the poor, powerless, ever-diligent banks to offer unwise mortages.

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Moreover, 74 percent of the executives say they fear that an Obama presidency would be disastrous for the country.

How many of those CEOs were for George W. Bush?

Enough said. (CEOs are not very popular with the American voting populace at the moment.)

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"Oh please.....and we all know that CEOs are the most important segment of US society who's wishes should be catered to for the good of the whole US....sheesh. Delusional."

By all means, tell us what segment of US society you in Europe or Canada just know is the most important.

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I personally know 2 execs who took their harvard MBAs off their office walls after shrub "won" in 2004. Deeply embarrasing alma mater.

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leitmotiv writes: "There was even an attempt to blame the wallstreet credit debacle on them as if they were somehow a singlar force that armtwisted the poor, powerless, ever-diligent banks to offer unwise mortages."

Bertha Lewis laughed at that one when one of the writers brought it up. Not in her wildest dreams could she ever believe that a group that organizes the poorest Americans could have that much power. ACORN has never endorsed loans to people who can not pay them back -- on the contrary. But what have done and still do is to fight against the practice of redlining.

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"Oh please.....and we all know that CEOs are the most important segment of US society who's wishes should be catered to for the good of the whole US....sheesh. Delusional."

By all means, tell us what segment of US society you in Europe or Canada just know is the most important.

The point being your factoid shows really nothing important to the typical US voter, obviously so. That it was trumpeted on "newsbusters" makes it completely silly.

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By all means, tell us what segment of US society you in Europe or Canada just know is the most important.

LOL! Whatever it is, it's not CEOs.

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"LOL! Whatever it is, it's not CEOs."

Is it the little brownshirted thugs from ACORN committing voter fraud in several states as we speak?

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tclh,

I think Obama certainly does try to tie McCain to Bush at every opportunity. That's so easy to do, too. It's hardly making stuff up to point out that McCain has supported most of Bush's policies. I don't think that's necessarily negative campaigning. I think it's more like the truth with negative impact on McCain.

On the other hand we have Sarah Palin who with McCain's encouragement or lack of supervision slurs Obama. She that he wants to surrender in Iraq, that he is a chum with terrorists, that it certainly warrants investigation whether he is a racist. This is slur and innuendo which has nothing to do with the issues that confront most Americans.

As for whether Obama has nothing to offer besides tying McCain to Bush, in the last debate more viewers thought that Obama more often presented constructive plans than did McCain.

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By all means, tell us what segment of US society you in Europe or Canada just know is the most important.

For what is worth, the population of planet earth overwhelmingly wants Obama to win according to The Economist's Global Electoral College project. The only red country is Georgia.....lol

I guess due to McSame's idiotic pronouncement that "We are all Georgians now...." Yeah right.

http://www.economist.com/vote2008/

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I must say that McCain's got his work cut out for him now that Palin is officially guilty of abuse of power.

If the shoe was on the other foot, how many milliseconds would Troopergate be off the air?

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"I personally know 2 execs who took their harvard MBAs off their office walls after shrub "won" in 2004. Deeply embarrasing alma mater."

Barney Frank and Franklin Raines are both Harvard grads.

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Is it the little brownshirted thugs from ACORN committing voter fraud in several states as we speak?

Brownshirted thugs? OMFG! Seriously....lay off the FOX kool-aid.

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On the other hand we have Sarah Palin who with McCain's encouragement or lack of supervision slurs Obama.

You can be sure that there is no "lack of supervision" in a US presidential campaign. The ugliness and negativity you are seeing from the McSame side is carefully considered and implemented by teams of eggheads, including rove.

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"For what is worth, the population of planet earth overwhelmingly wants Obama to win according to The Economist's Global Electoral College project. The only red country is Georgia.....lol"

For what it is worth, foreign support for Obama almost exactly parallels the national average for the 'yes' reply to pollsters' questions like 'Do you resent America's power and influence?'

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"I personally know 2 execs who took their harvard MBAs off their office walls after shrub "won" in 2004. Deeply embarrasing alma mater."

Barney Frank and Franklin Raines are both Harvard grads.

Kinda irrelevant.....but I'll spell it out for ya anyway...Frank and Raines are not reasons they did that. It was out of personal disgust for dubya and the low standards he represents.

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"Kinda irrelevant.....but I'll spell it out for ya anyway...Frank and Raines are not reasons they did that. It was out of personal disgust for dubya and the low standards he represents."

Oh well. Too bad for them. Maybe they can regain some self-respect and find peace by working even harder to send their kids to business schools in whatever European country it is they came from.

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Comedy gold....I tell you.

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."

--Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

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One group definitely more important that CEOs are historians. Upon a successful Obama presidency, we will be able to turn to historians to remind us that three out of four CEOs preferred McCain. Just as three out of four (at least) preferred Hoover to FDR in 1932. (Source for that claim: "Father, Son and Company" by Thomas J. Watson, Jr., former CEO of IBM.)

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Oh well. Too bad for them. Maybe they can regain some self-respect and find peace by working even harder to send their kids to business schools in whatever European country it is they came from.

Still irrelevant. And lame.

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"One group definitely more important than CEOs are historians."

UCLA economists find FDR prolonged Depression by seven years.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx?RelNum=5409

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On the other hand we have Sarah Palin who with McCain's encouragement or lack of supervision slurs Obama. She that he wants to surrender in Iraq, that he is a chum with terrorists, that it certainly warrants investigation whether he is a racist. This is slur and innuendo which has nothing to do with the issues that confront most Americans.

Fullfilling the traditional role as the Veep candidate as the "attack dog" for the top Spiro Agnew was probably the best with his "Nattering nabobs of negativism" qoute about the press.

Obama and Biden made the choice to go a different route and pretty much ignore Palin altogether and keep to the main talking point that McCain and Palin just mean four more years of Bush. A very wise and smart strategy in my opinion.

Going after Obama on character isn't working though and I'm glad that McCain and Palin seem to be backing off the tactic. However that doesn't mean I don't think it's not important.

The fact and lot's of folks will disagree with me but it is how I see it, is that Obama has gotten pretty much a free ride from the mainstream press.

I'll offer this as why I feel that way.

How many posters here know about Sarah Palin now? I mean really know just about everything you could ever want to know about the woman? Heck, I feel almost like I'm one of the family, I know all about her sister and her relationship with her ex Wooten, heck I know all about Wasilla, more than I ever cared to really. I know the ladies tax returns, per diem rates she gets, Bristols boyfriend Levi and his my space page, heck I might as well invite myself over to some moose stew at the house sometime when Todd isn't fixing the snowmobile. I don't think there isn't a single knook or crannie in the Ladies life that I don't know about by now.

Now........What do I really know of Obama? Tell me the media hasn't been soft on the guy compared to what they have done on Palin ever since she was picked?

So in this regard I am glad Palin and McCain are bringing some things up about Obama that should be brought up. The real dearth of details from the mainstream media on him is frankly embarrassing for the fourth estate that prides itself on its ability to get the whole story (see my Palin Obama media comparision I cited above).

Obama is staying tight to script. McCain has had nothing but bad luck all around, the economy couldn't start tanking at a worse time but to the man's credit and to the Democrats suprise that they really did nominate a pretty weak candidate as far as real experience for the top job goes, or he'd be twenty points ahead right now instead of 6 to ten, he's kept himself in the game despite all the odds that he shouldn't be.

This last debate is going to be allor nothing for him now, we will see how it goes.

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The sad thing, Wottock, is that Palin supporters here almost seem to think abuse of power is a good thing.

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economists find FDR prolonged Depression by seven years

Economists: the group that prefers Obama by a WIDE margin.

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Sailwind - "heck I might as well invite myself over to some moose stew at the house sometime when Todd isn't fixing the snowmobile."

LOL!!! That cracked me up :-)

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Nessie, it is a good thing until the democrats do it. Then it's a moral sin. But it's just par for the course for republicans abuse power.

Look at george bush and all the folks who worship the ground he walks on. < :-)

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Interesting comments by sailwind. I would agree that the media does sometimes play favorites. Before they turned on him, or more accurately he shot himself in the butt, Bush used to get a pretty easy ride from the media. Indeed, if the media had pressed him and those around him a bit harder, the electorate might have found out his weaknesses a lot earlier (and we might not have ended up in the mess we find ourselves now).

At the same time, however, gun-slinging Palin has bought much of her strife on herself. One of the big issues is that she is a moose-hunting, gun nut. This is something that most people (including those in the media) can not relate to. Furthermore, for all the jab's about Obama's religious associations, the Youtube video of Palin undergoing an exocism was a bit worrying. Added to this is her serious lack of credibility in issues such as foreign affairs, etc. Then again, if Obama takes up shooting and knocks off a few bald eagles in the next three weeks, things could change.

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timeborder - "Added to this is her serious lack of credibility in issues such as foreign affairs, etc."

It's her serious lack of credibility full stop that's the issue in my eyes.

With all due respect, Sarah Palin is a village idiot who is trash-talking john mccain's campaign chances into the scrap heap of history.

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With all due respect, Sarah Palin is a village idiot

haha. hmmm even Matt Damon agrees with that. good for him too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk

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Hell I think the moose Palin shot would of been better at Vp of the REP ticket, and better then the President nominee on the Democrate ticket. Not because of who they are, but the fact neither is ready to do the job they are trying for, Biden had it right in the first place, a McCain Biden ticket was a better idea...

Economists and CEO's are they not the people who led us down this path of financial crisis?

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Sushi - Does this mean thay you will not be exchanging Xmas cards with Sarah Palin this year? You never know, it might be possible to exchange some form of correspondence if you use lots of crayon drawings and limit your voculabulary to a few simple words?

Actually, the term "village idiot" is very apt. When I saw the interview with Katie Couric on TV, I nearly died laughing when Palin gave the foreign affairs response. Talk about the dumbing down of the electorate. Curious George was able to sneak past the US electorate not once, but twice with his "down home charm" (since recognized as stupidity), but I never thought I would see another US politician try the same approach so quickly after GW. As I have said before, poor old John McCain has been shafted by his own party. With Palin on the ticket, he is fighting a battle on two fronts. Squaring up Obama is one thing, but constantly having to cover for Palin is a bit much. Again, how did this person get nominated as the GOP's candidate for Vice President? Did McCain kill an albatross, only to have it slung around his neck. What about the GOP talent pool, is it really that shallow?

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SushiSake:

" Sarah Palin is a village idiot who is trash-talking "

* "The mountain of rubbish poured out about Palin over the past month would rival Everest. What a disgrace for our jabbering army of liberal journalists and commentators, too many of whom behaved like snippy jackasses. The bourgeois conventionalism and rank snobbery of these alleged humanitarians stank up the place. As for Palin’s brutally edited interviews with Charlie Gibson and that viper, Katie Couric, don’t we all know that the best bits ended up on the cutting-room floor? Something has gone seriously wrong with Democratic ideology, which seems to have become a candied set of holier-than-thou bromides attached like tutti-frutti to a quivering green Jell-O mold of adolescent sentimentality."

---Camilla Paglia---

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Well...... Not bad for an "Idiot"

With the latest poll showing her approval rating at 89 percent, Gov. Sarah Palin may now be the most popular governor in the nation.

Only 5 percent of those asked said they thought negatively about Palin's work in her six months as governor.

Just some of the stuff I looked at when she was first picked, I was more interested in how she actually Governed, you know the real issues instead of her bagging a moose with her bare hands.

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8931698p-8831940c.html

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timorborder:

" When I saw the interview with Katie Couric on TV, I nearly died laughing "

She had a hostile interviewer and is not used to parrying "gotcha" questions yet. That can be learned.

Look at the sympathetic way in which Obama is interviewed, and squirm at the difference.

The way the press in the sack for one political party this time is truly embarrassing.

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"When I saw the interview with Katie Couric on TV, I nearly died laughing"

When I see CBS ratings and how Couric's career is dying I laugh.

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Do you think Sarah Palin would have boldly declared in a prepared speech, 'Jerusalem must remain the undivided capital of Israel', and then taken it back a half hour later? The idea that Obama knows anything about foreign affairs is proven a complete fiction by that incident. Watch him say it; watch him take it back! http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=5yVWB10Tzbo

If that had been Palin, we´d be seeing it on continous loop. Double standards.

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If McCain or Palin or even one of their prominent staff had declared, as Biden did, that in 1929 FDR was our president and was addressing the nation on TV, the campaign would be over.

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leitmotiv,

It's very difficult for me to be sure of anything. First, it's not my nature. Second, if you look at the administration of the country over the last 8 years, I can't really say that it has enjoyed close supervision. I'm not sure why a campaign would be any different.

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Before the press was in the sack with Obama, they had their collective noses so far up a part of GW's anatomy that they could have been called Pinnochio. Then again, sanity slowly returned and GW was history.

I agree that Obama has yet to be grilled by the media, it will happen, however, after the US gets over the fascination of having a non-WASP President. On the other hand, I think Palin was extremely underwhelming in here interviews with Couric and Gibson. If she had been spoonfed, she might have done better, however, she just seemed totally out of her depth. The cuteness factor also didn't cut it.

At the same time, Katie Couric doesn't strike me as a news journalist either, I think it is only a matter of time before she is out the door.

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sailwind,

I think you know as much or more about Obama as you know about Palin. I think the things you mention about Palin are fairly trivial. I think Obama has had 18 or more months of scrutiny. While there is little question that he is a media darling, I have to tell you that if you can't dig up any serious dirt on him maybe there is none there.

I think Obama has given you all the information that is required. If you want more, that is certainly your right to want it. That does not make it your right to receive it. I see no reason for Obama to release a "vault copy" of his birth certificate. I see no reason for him to make statements on Ayers and Wright beyond what he already has. I see know reason for him to release financial data other than what is required.

I would like for him to release more health information, but that seems to be his call as well.

If you don't know him by now

You'll never never never know him....

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She had a hostile interviewer and is not used to parrying "gotcha" questions yet.

She's more used to "you betcha" questions.

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If McCain or Palin or even one of their prominent staff had declared, as Biden did, that in 1929 FDR was our president and was addressing the nation on TV, the campaign would be over.

Or, told a wheelchair bound guy to "stand up."

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WilliB,

I think that what that clip shows is that Obama is an adroit politician. If you want a President who paints himself into a corner and doesn't know how to get out, you've got one now. And if you want a president that doesn't know when he's painted himself into a corner you don't have to vote for Obama.

What would Bush know about foreign policy? His administration never stops looking for new ways to harm America. (His words.) Is this good foreign policy? What would McCain know. Sunni, Shia--what's the difference? Can this man be trusted with foreign policy?

I think Obama made a mistake in using the word "undivided". I think he corrected that mistake and some people will never be happy with that. I doubt, however, that Israelis and Palestinians will soon be happy with any US president. AIPAC is a different story and Obama will have to live with that. However, that is primarily a domestic issue, not a foreign one.

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...the ol' goat's into SM, what a kink. Wa's he about; lettin' the whole damn world know that he's gonna whip 'that' of another man's.

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While there is little question that he is a media darling...if you can't dig up any serious dirt on [Obama] maybe there is none there.

Obama's biggest dirt so far -- other than his crypto-Islamism, of course ;) -- is this:

the shady Rezko real estate deal

the Wright association.

Obama has apologized for the real estate deal. An apology's a good thing, but not something that should automatically put questions of malfeasance to rest. And he's repudiated the association with Wright -- end of story, there, as far as I'm concerned. The Ayers thing is a non-issue.

I have yet to hear Palin repudiate her sympathies for her creationism or for her witch hunting cleric, or apolgize for troopergate. I guess shame and rationality are not some people's strong suits.

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Economists and CEO's are they not the people who led us down this path of financial crisis?

CEOs, yes. Economists, no.

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McCain vows to whip Obama's 'you-know-what' in last debate

Well...he vowed to run a clean campaign too. So...yeah, good luck with that, candidate.

Taka

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McCain lost a vote here with that statement. I've had enough. Picking Palin was such a horrible mistake. We needed someone with real political strength and savvy and McCain sold us out. A lifetime of voting GOP all down the toilet. I heard that woman say that Obama is an "arab" and there is no way I'll vote with people who are that ignorant. No way. I've changed my mind, the GOP forced me.

GOP: The party that wrecked America.

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Nessie:

" And he's repudiated the association with Wright -- end of story, "

Is that the end of the story? What do you think about someone dismisses a 20-year connection with his mentor when it becomes politically embarrassing?

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What do you think about someone dismisses a 20-year connection with his mentor when it becomes politically embarrassing?

I think it's a good thing.

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What do you think about someone dismisses a 20-year connection with his mentor when it becomes politically embarrassing?

I think it's a good thing.

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Hey Romeo,

Get a clue ... that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in August, 1964 is beyond question.

Why must you insist on questioning this fact? This kind of silliness blows my mind, dude.

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Make that August, 1961.

By the way, Panama McCain was NOT born in the U.S.

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koizumi writes,

that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in August, 1964 is beyond question

According to who? You?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

RR

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RR, Your link is so enlightening.

I like mine even better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjsEs46C70

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhhvaIXA9A

So if you'd like we can play video tag. < :-)

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Go for it, he needs it.

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mccain will probably win. factor in the south, closet racists, mister 'god damn you know what' wright, and his 'for the first time i am proud of my country' wife, and hyper aggressive promises by the repubs to fix a junked economy, and you've got mccain.

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teaabe - Obama just might win because he's the better man for the job. < :-)

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"Hundreds of Economists Sign Letter Opposing Obama's Tax Plan

Hundreds of economists (including Nobel Prize winners Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott, and Vernon Smith) have signed letters opposing Barack Obama's economic and tax plans... "

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/10/hundres-of-econ.html

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"Well... he vowed to run a clean campaign too."

And, of course, he broke that vow when he dared to criticize Obama.

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Actually, even if Obama was born in Kenya or elsewhere outside the U.S., I don't think that should make him ineligible for the office of president. I think the Constitution should be changed to allow for immigrants to run for president. Heck, I'd rather see Arnie as president than Obama or Hillary.

coulrophobic - It doesn't matter how many economists are against Obama's tax plan, it doesn't matter that the financial crisis was caused mainly by Democrat policies. The economy's dragging, and the Republicans are currently in the White House. McCain is toast!

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"ACORN is such a non-issue"

A non-issue would be Troopergate.

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"Hundreds of Economists Sign Letter Opposing Obama's Tax Plan

That's only hundreds of votes for McCain. Not enough to win the election. < :-)

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There's nothing racist in McCain's boast he will whip Obama's "you-know-what" in the last debate. This is something an elder says to a younger person and McCain is free to emphasize that difference and try to use it to his advantage. If Obama made such a pledge, however, it would look like he was planning to beat up on an old guy. Plus, as the front-runner he doesn't need to issue such proclamations to rally his base.

The problem for McCain is can he deliver? In the house I grew up in, "All right kids, I'm going to whack in a minute!" made it very clear Dad is mad and he's gonna act on it. McCain is a lot less fearsome frankly.

He's taken vague "we've got to cut government spending" positions without actually putting forward a set of numbers. Over the course of the campaign he's alternately promised to balance the budget at the end of his first and second terms. He might have been able to get away with that prior to the financial meltdown, now it's a lot harder.

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A non-issue would be Troopergate if the Republicans were running a clean campaign.

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Well...candidate mccain had better whip Obama's "you-know-what."

According to RCP.com, Florida has gone from being a toss-up to "leaning Obama."

That gives Obama a staggering 304 to 158 lead in electoral votes (364 to 174 with no toss-up states) to go along with his 7 point lead in approval rating.

At the rate things are going, not even diebold will be able to pull mccain's fat from the fire.

Taka

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"ACORN is such a non-issue"

Watch how quickly ACORN, does, in fact, become a non-issue.

http://www.mdc.edu/Home/Press/rally.htm

Taka

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sailwind said:

Heck, I feel almost like I'm one of the family. ... I don't think there isn't a single knook [nook] or crannie [cranny] in the Ladies life that I don't know about by now.

In this video the crowd is asked if they know Palin. Of course this well-informed electorate can also tell you about Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

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Acorn is an issue. They should get credit for the good things they've done and blame for the bad things they've done (voter fraud, failure to disclose embezzlement).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11acorn.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

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Wow, I'm glad I took the high road on this one and said Acorn is an issue!

This just in:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html?showall

The beleaguered Democratic-leaning community group Acorn sends over this photograph: John McCain, in March of 2006, sitting beside Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek at an event Acorn co-sponsored in Florida.

The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups.

McCain, still spiting much of his party on immigration at the time, was the headliner.

Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said.

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...the ol' goat's into SM, what a kink. Wa's he about; lettin' the whole damn world know that he's gonna whip 'that' of another man's. Or does he mean he's gonna whip his that out? god forbid, after all he's an OAP.

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"Watch how quickly ACORN, does in fact, become a non-issue"

"Acorn is an issue"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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goodDonkey

That was about the lamest video I have have ever seen. Sheesh.

Compare that to this.... No person questioning and trying to elicit a negative response required on this one, just a placard that with Mccain on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI

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sailwind

Thank you very much. You posted the perfect video to make my point. I posted a video that did not direct people to think a certain way by posting words over the picture. You posted a video with words pasted over the video that are lies to spread filth that makes liberals appear anti-patriotic. It said "Fact: Islamic radicals would be more welcome on the upper West Side than American patriots." So do you stand by that statement or not? Furthermore it stated "The "liberals" always extend their sympathy to those being bullied and rejected...not to the American patriots...but to American enemies." Vile words. That is complete filth and I will take the words and the fingers of the liberals any day over that filth. Not one of those people called McCain a terrorist. More lies: "Area intellectuals boo and jeer them well... ...just as they have been taught to do" " Zero tolerance to the opposing viewpoint... ...yet they want to impose their rules over our lives." While obvious supporters are high five-ing and shaking hands with the marchers no one harasses them however the words say "Out-of-towners? Foreigners? Or did some conservatives manage to survive...the liberal bullying?" " A bumpkin from flyover country might think New Yorkers are booing al Qaeda that's bent on destroying their city. " ""Liberal" elites believe that all ideologies are morally equal... ...except the one that supports capitalism and individual liberties... ...the only ideology that makes their own lavish lifestyles possible" I made the word one bold because they believe they are the only ones who support capitalism and individual liberties. Mixed economies also allowed lavish lifestyles. But here is the worst filth of all, "The leftist idea of unity is, and always has been... THE ELIMINATION OF DISSENT." In your video I saw some McCain supporters just walking down the street supporting the McCain marchers; they were not harassed one bit. You can say they were rude all you want but they did not interfere with their right to march. Obviously this guy doesn't take kindly to the modern rude dissent. We must disagree in his manner. There were no threats. I did not like it when the alleged liberals said "go home." But it was no threat,

You posted this video in your comments. Are these the words you want to hear McCain say tomorrow in the debate. I have no problem with the action of the area folks. They did not stop the procession. Those who were not marching but who supported the marches were not bullied; no one even commented to them. I saw no anger like I have seen with the Republican supporters. I see people very much acting like they would when there was a bad call at a ballpark. The McCain people did make a bad call. They came there to get a reaction and they did. I say Booooo . . . your ideas suck, myself. I would have told them the same thing. They were fervent not angry.

I do wonder how you can post something like that with those words. If you believe liberals want to eliminate dissent why don't you say that on this thread or any other thread. If you don't condone what the words said you should have said so when you posted the link. Saying it now has much less meaning. I want to add that I do not like when someone goes to the other parties conventions and says negative things or boos or gives the finger. This was a public street and both sets of people got to have their say. If you want to say they are rude so be it. I was glad to see fervent liberals make their displeasure known.

I would love to hear McCain's evaluation of this event at the debate. I would love to hear him comment on the words pasted over the video. If McCain said "Islamic radicals would be more welcome on the upper West Side than American patriots" he would drop in the polls quickly. Let McCain say "A bumpkin from flyover country might think New Yorkers are booing al Qaeda that's bent on destroying their city" at the debate tomorrow. Let him say this simple statement "A group of McCain-Palin supporters dare[d] to - march through the Upper West Side Infidels in the liberal Mecca...." and see what happens. The use of the word Mecca is inflammatory

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I meant to hit the 'Preview' button not the 'Submit' button so I did not get the formatting I wanted nor did I properly proofread and arrange my grammatical structure. So please note that I would not normally submit a raw rough draft without a great deal more work to make it readable and presentable. So now it is what it is.

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goodDonkey, thanks for detailing the brainwashing that goes on with the wording over the videos. It is sad and amazing how people succumb to that garbage. Sadder still that would pass it on by posting it here. --Cirroc

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it doesn't matter that the financial crisis was caused mainly by Democrat policies.

Sarge, can you name those policies please? Or did you actually mean policy singular?

And could you name some specific Democrats? I hope its not Jimmy Carter (again.)

If it has something to do with Carter, or even Clinton, please explain why the Republican controlled Congress we had all those years Bush was president (and it did include John McCain) did not forsee and avert the disaster. Thank you. --Cirroc

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